S3E28.5: I Saw the TV Glow
Added 2024-09-26 19:07:09 +0000 UTCThats right, we've given in to the baying masses without so much as a popular vote. This week, we watched Jane Schoenbrun's I Saw the TV Glow and you'd better believe we had some thoughts.
(NOTE: Jane uses they/them pronouns)
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Having only got round to watching the film last week, I was finally able to listen to this episode. And… it broke me more than the film itself did. (I was pretty dissociated watching the film, I now realise.) Especially where Abi says, in re: the burial alive scene: "Being closeted and trans can be a very traumatic experience, but also, if you are not the sort of trans person who knows you're trans from an early age, it can be a trauma that you're not allowed to know or think about. … I read it as, you have to acknowledge that this happened to you, you have to acknowledge that you are buried alive and that you need to get out of it. And you need to revisit this trauma in order to realise that it's there and realise what the answer is." Also, the twenty year jump cut hit me (even) harder in the retelling.
Jae H
2025-09-25 08:54:22 +0000 UTCI wasn't quite an Egg when I saw this film, I had the conscious realization that I was trans a few years earlier as a young adult but was so daunted by all actually transitioning would take that I kept on repressing the realization and putting off thinking about it "until things got better." As the Anti-Trans movement in America gained steam over the course of the Biden administration that fear kept me in the closet hiding from the world and the reality of myself. When Trump won again I was convinced that I had missed the window to transition, and that the closet was now inescapable. I thought I haad successfully resigned myself to life as a man, because the alternative was too frightening and would only hurt my relationships with my family and the few friends I was still in contact with after covid. I watched this film in December of 2024, between Trump's election and innaguration, on a flight to attend the wedding of a family member (certainly the intended viewing experience) and it absolutely electrified me. As a fellow "biggest pussy in the world" to say I related to Owen is an understatement, and the brutally unsubtle thesis of the film absolutely wrecked me. As someone who feels like I've always been more (de)motivated by fear than any of my actual desires I think I genuinely needed to be scared into transitioning in order to break down the mental barriers holding me back from transitioning. This film felt like my personal Ghost of Transness Yet to Come, showing me how continuing to stay on my current path would end up, or like the ahistorical propagandized machine-gun-wielding Soviet comissar ordering me to change ahead into the chance of death because the alternative was a certainty. I've been on hrt now for almost six months. I'm still working on the logistics of transitioning socially at work and in wider public life, which still feels like the old cowardice clinging to me, but this film really did fundamentally change the trajectory of my life. I understand why November wasn't able to relate to it, but as one of the people who needed it's lack of subtlty to put the fear of God in me it's easily the most consequential film I've personally ever seen.
Aloemancer
2025-07-21 20:07:59 +0000 UTCthis episode just made me fucking remember that when i started questioning my gender all i wanted was to dig a big hole and lie in it. WHY IS THAT TRANSGENDER
Letpapersleep
2025-01-18 07:18:13 +0000 UTCwell shit this may have cracked my egg
Skettywiz
2025-01-14 09:03:13 +0000 UTC1:09:00 the mime show story DEAR GOD 🤣🤣 pre-transition "i dunno 🤷♀️" is so real lol
MagneticRose
2024-12-22 21:52:58 +0000 UTCDevon's "c'monn just do it" was the most convincing bit but by then I just wanted to go home
Jade
2024-11-16 22:15:21 +0000 UTCListening to this at work while closeted trans was a weird experience bc it would've been a very funny experience to come out in the middle of a shift just to break the day up a little
Jade
2024-11-16 22:09:56 +0000 UTCI had the same reaction as Devon during that birthday party scene, I was crying real bad, this movie messed me up in a good way.
Freyr Aloysius
2024-11-16 21:48:46 +0000 UTCTurns out that writers who use subtext really ARE all cowards.
ZombieDwarf
2024-11-16 20:34:15 +0000 UTCSpeaking of trans horror: season 2 episode 4 of Chilling Adventures of Sabrina has a HORRIFYING transmasc horror segment in it.
Andrew Dunn
2024-11-13 19:59:29 +0000 UTCI thought the thing in the produce department scene was that it was a gender continuum with very yonic fruits on the left and phallic vegetables on the right, but that could just be a coincidence.
John Benfield
2024-11-01 03:55:01 +0000 UTCI had a different weird experience watching this one because it was shot at my high school (Verona High, and those VHS signs really were everywhere. Our mascot is WAY worse, though. I'd rather have been the Vultures than the Hillbillies) and took place during the years when I was a student there. I'm sad to say that the real version had a lot in common with the Midnight Realm in that it was a quietly yet firmly queerphobic place despite having a jazz band. It's strange to hear you refer to the place where I grew up as a "horrible suburb" because it's not entirely wrong. It definitely is the kind of place where a person (especially one who is "different") could end up repressing and stagnating and never awakening.
John Benfield
2024-11-01 03:48:18 +0000 UTCfinally watching the movie after it got added on prime and then going to relisten to the episode on it. Currently overwhelming dread
PodcastListener
2024-11-01 01:42:25 +0000 UTCI got "there is still time" tattooed on my leg because of this movie!! There is always still time, time to grow, time to change, time to be a better person than you were yesterday
Cassie Ellis
2024-10-26 01:10:07 +0000 UTCNovember: What if the Pizza Hut wasn't a Pizza Hut? Me: What if it was a Taco Bell? What if it was a Combination Pizza Hut and Taco Bell?
Ben Schwabe
2024-10-25 17:57:26 +0000 UTCI'm not trans but I am also horrified by the timeskip element of this film
Ryan Sch.
2024-10-15 12:12:59 +0000 UTCtook me another 10 years btw
A.E. Ross
2024-10-12 23:32:19 +0000 UTCWhen I was in college, back in like '07, I made a short film with a trans main character for a film class. After a friend read the script she said "this reads like it was written by a trans person" and I thought "oh wow, what a nice compliment"
A.E. Ross
2024-10-12 23:30:45 +0000 UTCThe thing about this film for me is that it makes me consider how many different alt timelines there are where I didn't get to figure myself out when I did. How many alternate lives do I live where I never figure it out? Is it more that the number of ones where I do?
Felixir of Life
2024-10-07 22:35:31 +0000 UTCthis movie is a perfect illustration of my long-held thesis that subtlety is overrated and for nerds
Karl Childers
2024-10-07 16:17:29 +0000 UTCI just remembered that the name of the album was fucking Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, so yeah, probably connected.
Brian Danger Hicks
2024-10-07 12:17:22 +0000 UTCWould love to hear you do Firelight one day - starring Sophie Marceau in the role said to have got her in as a Bond Girl, and Abbie's sister-show co-star Stephen Dillane. It's not great, and the ending has so many loose threads, but I feel like it's at least trying to say things along the way about masculinity, legacy, love, and maybe sheep rearing or something.
Carly
2024-10-06 09:46:40 +0000 UTCI still can't find a working way to watch Mad Mission 3, so objectively yes.
ZombieDwarf
2024-10-05 19:25:45 +0000 UTCSpeaking of caring for your abuser @42:15- that's what I got out of watching The Greasy Strangler. Just stuck in the prison with your piece of shit dad because you were never given the tools to be able to leave Also when his mom hands him the cotton candy, he just lets a stream of saliva drip into it Also the produce department scene: did those veggie pictures on the wall spell something? I feel like they almost did Love the parallel of "don't apologize" being one of the very first things she says to him, and after he denies her thrice, the movie ends with him wheezing desperate apologies to uncaring people The apologizing also reminds me of, you guessed it, Netflix's "iron fist". There's a scene where an assistant gets beaten to death by a billionaire CEO with a blunt instrument and dies crying and apologizing for no real reason. Kind of sticks with you. Edit: holy shit the villain CEO was Faramir ALSO, SAME SITUATION AS DOGTOOTH, I WAS RAISED IN A SECT THAT DID NOT ALLOW TVS. Whenever I was babysat by my "worldly" (non-church member) babysitter, I would stare at the TV until my eyes burned. Whenever there was a TV playing in public, I would stare at it slackly. When I finally moved out and left the church in my early twenties, they were about three or four years of furious forced nostalgia speedrun for a childhood I didn't have in the first place. Comics, Power Rangers, Funko Pops, Disney, pro wrestling. There were times, watching things like Wishbone, where I desperately wished to exist in that TV universe. I watched X-Files and Twin Peaks for the first time, and only watched Buffy last year.
Andrew Dunn
2024-10-04 10:44:45 +0000 UTCI love that movie, and I hope they would, but at the same time it's an extremely straightforward, good movie in a way that I don't think they would have much to discuss.
Andrew Dunn
2024-10-04 08:43:59 +0000 UTCForget it, Jake. It's the suburbs.
Andrew Dunn
2024-10-04 01:04:48 +0000 UTCAlso, might I suggest reviewing Pride in the future? Since you all are cursed with being British, it would be interesting to hear what you have to say about it
Larketto
2024-10-03 20:45:15 +0000 UTCThank you. That hit me like a truck since I had to have a near-death experience to start taking my desire to live to my fullest seriously and stop being scared
Larketto
2024-10-03 20:41:02 +0000 UTCI will also add since Fruitopia didn't seem to cross the Atlantic: it was a literal brand of juice that was all over in the 90s and 00s and disappeared entirely when I moved on from middle to highschool
AaronMk91
2024-10-03 20:26:39 +0000 UTCI watched this movie on a flight to Ireland a couple weeks ago, and I was so obsessed with finding the parts to reverse engineer the "it's a trans movie" line, that it wasn't until I got back home and talked to a coworker about the movie that I realized I literally overlooked the crucial details.
AaronMk91
2024-10-03 20:24:38 +0000 UTCJust waiting for the I FUCKING LOVE CUNT t-shirts to come out
Bob Murphy
2024-10-03 19:05:13 +0000 UTCI think a big reference point for Mr. Melancholy's appearance is the music video for Tonight, Tonight, which is made to look like a Méliès film, cribbing heavily from A Trip to the Moon. And the soundtrack features a cover of Tonight, Tonight
Brian Danger Hicks
2024-10-03 12:28:27 +0000 UTCcool, did you read my first sentence?
Sofia Söderstrand
2024-10-03 09:33:14 +0000 UTCAs a Buffy obsessive who desperately wanted to be Buffy Summers (or at least like her - Buffy's actual life kinda sucked) I had to restrain myself from psychically leaping into the podcast to go "Well, actually..." more than once. I know, I know I hate myself too. I am delighted November name checked Amber Benson. Always loved Tara!
Ross Nolan
2024-10-02 21:22:16 +0000 UTCI know they are divisive in the community but I'd love to see them tackle a 'mainstream' fantasy bodyswap film like 'Switch'.
Ross Nolan
2024-10-02 13:07:15 +0000 UTCThe Trouble With Tribbing was such a good TOS episode, I just felt when they did it with DS9 it was a little fan service-ey but still enjoyable.
Tom Hauptman
2024-10-02 11:23:34 +0000 UTCRetracting my pathetic pleas for the hosts to do Day of the Jackal, and replacing them with patheticer pleas to do Kris Kristofferson's Marxist trucker movie "Convoy"
Andrew Dunn
2024-10-01 15:15:06 +0000 UTCoh if y'all do a halloween series of eps for halloween, i think Cure directed by Kiroshi Kurosawa would be really cool to hear commentary on ^^
Evan Wang
2024-10-01 07:54:00 +0000 UTCOwen's voice strikes me as really autistic-coded, or maybe I'm just over-relating to the movie 🙃
Ryan McWilliams
2024-10-01 06:43:37 +0000 UTCI thought it was bi as well with that shade of purple
Trevor Gilmore
2024-10-01 04:54:02 +0000 UTCHere's the quote that November pulled, from Anaïs Nin: " You live like this, sheltered, in a delicate world, and you believe you are living. Then you read a book… or you take a trip… and you discover that you are not living, that you are hibernating. The symptoms of hibernating are easily detectable: first, restlessness. The second symptom (when hibernating becomes dangerous and might degenerate into death): absence of pleasure. That is all. It appears like an innocuous illness. Monotony, boredom, death. Millions live like this (or die like this) without knowing it. They work in offices. They drive a car. They picnic with their families. They raise children. And then some shock treatment takes place, a person, a book, a song, and it awakens them and saves them from death. Some never awaken." That rang with me.
Althiex
2024-10-01 00:07:00 +0000 UTCTRANS NOTTING HILL AND ALL THE FRIENDS ARE TRANS TOO AND THEYRE IN A POLYCULE
MarineRose94
2024-09-30 13:48:48 +0000 UTCThey should do Some Like it Hot. Continue with some more trans cinema
Declan Herod
2024-09-29 20:04:22 +0000 UTCIt's never too late...
Nadia Castle
2024-09-29 16:42:13 +0000 UTCI am a trans person who got really into the Mighty Boosh
HAUNTER
2024-09-29 14:13:33 +0000 UTCWell this was an oddly apt week to revisit the first few episodes of this podcast for no particular reason. I didn't know I was synergising with the latest episode.
Damien Tonkin
2024-09-29 11:56:31 +0000 UTCTrans Notting Hill, yes, but also Trans Demolition Man, Trans The Thin Man, Trans The Thing, Trans Chinatown, Trans Jungle Boo--*gunshot*
Jack Fennell
2024-09-28 23:17:08 +0000 UTCSimply because White Noise was mentioned I get to bring up that I got to be an extra on one of the scenes in that movie since parts of it were filmed at my college
Valerie's Gradual Futchification
2024-09-28 21:42:13 +0000 UTCYou can't jump into the same river twice, unless you do some wildcat drilling on a lake and hit a salt mine
Noblesse Oblahaj
2024-09-28 12:04:19 +0000 UTCNovember opening the podcast by saying, "But enough talk, have at you!" And throwing her wine glass
Noblesse Oblahaj
2024-09-28 11:21:57 +0000 UTCI've been in the closet about being one of "the people who don't give a fuck" for several years now, and I thought I was okay with that. Now after this film and this episode, I am scared and crushed emotionally. The scene on the bleachers crushed me, and the gang describing it crushed me. I don't want to feel like I'm narrating someone elses life anymore, but I'm scared to bury myself alive and shit in a coffin. I'm 35 and the time skips feel like they're adding up
SeminalFluid
2024-09-28 10:40:49 +0000 UTC"Hey ladies! Hey fellas! And the people who don't give a fuck"
SeminalFluid
2024-09-28 10:19:32 +0000 UTCThe parachute was an essential part of childhood
Sophie Appleyard
2024-09-28 07:03:41 +0000 UTCThe credits for the Pink Opaque use the same font as Buffy. Buffy also had musical interlude with contemporary bands like at the double lunch. Shoenbrun has also said that Buffy was a big influence
Samantha
2024-09-28 01:29:26 +0000 UTCThe British mind can’t comprehend The Adventures of Pete & Pete
Harold Gottfried
2024-09-27 21:47:41 +0000 UTCIn a stunning twist, November reveals this movie is about 9/11
Jon W
2024-09-27 19:58:55 +0000 UTCI'm here, a person you don't know, to say that doing it is literally the best (and hardest) thing you'll ever do for yourself
Palpable Pips
2024-09-27 19:24:22 +0000 UTCI'm alarmed by just how intensely affirming this episode was. The movie definitely left me feeling like "a bad trans", a thing that is definitely real and possible to be /s but hearing you lot talk it through was deeply reassuring that I'm just walking my own path
Palpable Pips
2024-09-27 19:22:44 +0000 UTCi was ok, doing well listening to this. But Abi's statement about her Masters' and the play she wrote are what got me sobbing. I'VE ALSO DONE THIS. I think nearly every trans person has. Writing a screenplay, or a short story, a poem, something that externalizes that feeling of pain and otherness in your assumed gender, without even realizing what we're doing.
Prince Jade
2024-09-27 19:21:10 +0000 UTCInterestingly I think the big tent thing is in the bi colors not the trans colors, maybe I’m just looking at it wrong lol
Logan Shanley
2024-09-27 18:52:46 +0000 UTCI remember when I was buried alive. I actually went back in the closet for a while so I had to get buried alive twice. Honestly, easier the second time.
ComicTF
2024-09-27 18:39:01 +0000 UTCI know exactly how you feel
Violet Austerlitz
2024-09-27 15:48:24 +0000 UTCIt's not that I disagree about the influence of Buffy and Twin Peaks, but for me, the Pink Opaque is like one of those "filmed in New Zealand" cheap teen series I caught like, 5 episodes of because they were airing on an awkward time. Like, there was one about a kid in a coma who was dreaming about a world with no adults, it felt weird and a bit scary to me, but like I would absolutely look back on now as a low budget, tame kids show.
Sofia Söderstrand
2024-09-27 14:52:12 +0000 UTCDo you ever feel like some episodes of KJB are more real than the movies w- . . . they watch?
Hoob
2024-09-27 13:57:23 +0000 UTCWatched the movie as homework for this episode and it made me feel so infinitely hopeless. I'm out to most of my surroundings, and I don't really want medical treatment, so what does the movie want me to do? How do I wake up? Do I have to bury myself in the ground?
Witch Bitch
2024-09-27 13:47:59 +0000 UTCOnly kjb could make a show that covers Johnny English followed by I saw the tv glow and make me cry at both
Missidentified Lemon has a bad week
2024-09-27 13:41:18 +0000 UTCAlso good shout for Wrath Goddess Sing that novel is amazing and made me weep a bunch of times.
Cam Martell
2024-09-27 13:17:13 +0000 UTCWatched this film like a week after I came out and it wrecked me but also felt really cathartic to be picking up in a much better spot than the film left off. The Socratic Dialect part of Abi's Judith Butler video was the nail in the coffin for egg me tho.
Cam Martell
2024-09-27 13:16:10 +0000 UTCListening to King Woman brought me to this movie. She's great.
Ling
2024-09-27 12:03:11 +0000 UTCMet my best friend for the first time in a lovely old fashioned cinema and we bawled into each others arms when it was done i think that experience more than the movie itself did actually restructure my brain
Abi_kirrin
2024-09-27 10:54:14 +0000 UTCDevon is now going to rap our names in the style of the Pokemon rap and its going to be great 👍
Parent, Child, Adult, Babe, It is our duty to give Palestine aid!
2024-09-27 10:28:58 +0000 UTCSaw this film in a mostly empty art cinema and did an ugly cry in the toilets after. Personhood of evil trans rise up.
T Trewhella
2024-09-27 09:19:44 +0000 UTCOr maybe that should’ve been “CVNT”, but either way…
The Token Detergent Rinser (British)
2024-09-27 09:02:32 +0000 UTCIs anyone else disappointed that we didn’t get a clean drop of Devon saying “oh, I fucking love Cunt!”?
The Token Detergent Rinser (British)
2024-09-27 08:59:54 +0000 UTCA24 didn't make "X Men: Civil War" but they did make "X", "Men", and "Civil War".
OvO Hoot
2024-09-27 07:15:04 +0000 UTCin the king james translation of the bible the word "bond" is used 18 times, the word "scum" is used 3 times, and the word "moonpussy" is used twice
God's Eepiest Soldier
2024-09-27 06:08:53 +0000 UTCnone of these words are in the Bible
Beach Boy Sammy
2024-09-27 05:32:33 +0000 UTCWell, this was emotionally devastating
The Curious Case of Caley V
2024-09-27 05:02:11 +0000 UTCThis hit me like a ton of bricks to the chest, but in a good way. Thank you 💜 I'm proud of you, too (sincerely and truly).
Elaine
2024-09-27 04:51:55 +0000 UTCi heard the podcast glow about the bond opaque where you're driving home and find like, the webpage with the scum score and medals for MOONPUSSY
God's Eepiest Soldier
2024-09-27 04:26:44 +0000 UTCthank god november found a way to bring up 9/11 during the movie about being trans
joy
2024-09-27 03:52:30 +0000 UTCI saw this movie in a fairly small cinema with a mostly-cis audience and it's the most grateful I have ever been to the novel coronavirus. You could barely tell I was weeping through the facemask.
SleepinBelle
2024-09-27 02:57:10 +0000 UTCIt's you!? Love your videos
Star
2024-09-27 02:48:25 +0000 UTClistened to this while taking my T shot lol. Anyway I relate to Novembers experience and perspective here (despite only being trans for like. Wait nvm ive been trans for 9 years its just that i only started hrt a few years back jesus christ it’s been a long time) I have one close trans friend who I met online before we both transed our genders, but other than her, I kind of just transitioned alone. What November’s said here about trans movies and media about things other than just transition itself really stuck with me, because my transition has been. Idk. anticlimactic compared to others? I don’t feel like much has changed for me after transitioning. Granted, I’m still pretty young, I’ve only been on T for a few years at this point. But my life has always felt like this constant haze where fiction and media is more real and meaningful to me than reality. And after watching this movie I made a post that went something like “I feel like other trans people saw this movie and went “I should transition/i’m so glad i transitioned” and I saw this movie and went “wow if transition couldn’t save me then I should really kill myself for real.”” This movie came at me with some of the worst ways that I feel on a daily basis, and proposed the solution was something I was already doing. Transition is a very small part of my life that I often don’t think about outside of being amused with how other people gender me (I’m nonbinary, it/its, literally nobody uses my pronouns except my one trans friend and a few people online. I’m very much just existing in the world and letting people call me whatever cuz I’m black and paranoid about people turning violent lol) It’s like November said, I felt like “well what do you want me to do? Detransition, retransition, kill myself?” i saw the tv glow made me more aware of the misery of being alive that I am constantly trying to ignore. And some of this is because I am admittedly deeply jealous of people who transitioned and feel like the world became brighter. Like they became new people, like they feel things MORE. I do not feel any more real than I did before. The joys of transition have been pretty minimal to me, just a slightly more comfortable body. But the truth is that the body I want is one that isn’t possible. It’s fictional, it’s a monstrous form that doesn’t exist, and it’s embarrassing to admit how much it means to me that I’ll never be like, a fucking grotesque monster-thing. That sounds stupid. That’s not supposed to be something that makes your chest ache with longing. But ache it does!!! idk trans narratives have the ability to hurt me more than most because they make me aware that even among other trans people I am an anomaly. That there are so many trans people out there who look in the mirror and see themselves reflected back, getting happier and becoming more themselves every day, and that that will never be possible for me, because I’m such a freak that my ideal self isn’t even human. And even admitting that to people is hard, because nobody understands how deeply serious I am about this. It’s like being deadly serious about wanting to transition into a laptop or something. Even if people are sympathetic, they can’t take it seriously. That isn’t as important as wanting to be a woman or a man. It’s ridiculous, and it’s all I’ve ever wanted. Anyway good podcast, sorry for the long comment haha.
Nerves
2024-09-27 02:46:43 +0000 UTCAt the very end, while Owens apologizing to everyone, the fun center, which was previously entirely blue is now lashing between blue and pink
Cochlearia
2024-09-27 02:10:24 +0000 UTCOne thing I got on my second watching of this movie is that so much of it is lit in red or blue: literally The Matrix. Things leading Owen towards cracking that egg are shot in pink/red lighting (Pink Opaque, the darkroom where he picks up the tapes, The Double Lunch,) while things surrounding repression are all blue (watching it again as an adult, the fun center, Fred Durst)
Cochlearia
2024-09-27 02:08:43 +0000 UTCThank you for that Calvino quote. For me it calls to mind Mephistopheles’ line from Marlowe’s play “Faustus”. Faustus asks the demon how it has escaped Hell. It replies, “Why, this is Hell, nor am I out of it.”
Brian Taulbee
2024-09-27 01:45:40 +0000 UTCI can't listen to this yet 😭😭😭. The film isn't on any streaming platforms in Australia yet and hardly any cinemas are showing it where I live. So so so looking forward to this episode once I actually get to see the film
Evie K
2024-09-27 01:31:48 +0000 UTCTime to complete the plot of I saw the tv glow
PodcastListener
2024-09-27 01:23:48 +0000 UTCI finished this movie about 15 minutes ago, started this episode, and had to stop immediately and take a break because the film was still too raw in my brain...
Beach Boy Sammy
2024-09-27 00:45:09 +0000 UTCI mean sure but there are a lot of other flaws with it that I don't like, and I think that the happy ending is another part of it that makes it feel like it was made in the first month of transition
Public Universal Foe
2024-09-27 00:41:10 +0000 UTCI just subscribed to the Patreon to listen to this episode
Pat
2024-09-27 00:40:08 +0000 UTCIt’s far from the first one. SCP 4005 has an unambiguously good ending.
Brian Taulbee
2024-09-27 00:29:37 +0000 UTCI'm so fucking proud of you
Its Devon Babeyyy
2024-09-27 00:23:00 +0000 UTCIncredible movie, incredible episode, I had been waiting for them to cover I Saw The TV Glow ever since the gang first started cracking jokes about it a few months ago. It was really nice to get a variety of opinions on the film too, I think this is the first review or podcast episode I've seen that has managed to tackle it well. Probably since they have the benefit of a few months since the movie came out, and for both Devon and Abi its a rewatch, this is not an easy film to do an analysis on based on just first impressions (but I am very thankful for November's perspective though, I definitely agree with big parts of it). Also oh boy November reading the Anaïs Nin quote almost made me break down crying, it is such a perfect encapsulation of this movie (and the trans experience as well). I've always been drawn to both its VIVID description "hibernation" and on a similar note, Italo Calvino's quote about the "Inferno of the living", I've included it at the bottom of the reply because I think just like Nin's, it might have some application to both this movie and to transition. November's voice just, invokes something really really primal when she read out Nin's quote to me though, she is an amazing narrator (her voice acting for the incarnation of dysphoria in the Traditional Scrench "Little Lady RPG" stream also showed that off!). "The inferno of the living is not something that will be; if there is one, it is what is already here, the inferno where we live every day, that we form by being together. There are two ways to escape suffering it. The first is easy for many: accept the inferno and become such a part of it that you can no longer see it. The second is risky and demands constant vigilance and apprehension: seek and learn to recognize who and what, in the midst of inferno, are not inferno, then make them endure, give them space." - Invisible Cities, Italo Calvino
Hazel Rafter
2024-09-27 00:19:46 +0000 UTCOh I love that opening. Also, it's kinda hilarious to hear my name being pronounced as "Angle-ah".
Mistress Angela Aelis
2024-09-26 23:54:17 +0000 UTCI watched this movie by myself in a theater, went to my car, had a panic attack, calmed down enough to drive home after buying a binder off the internet, and told my friends who wanted to choose it for a future horror movie night that I could never watch this movie around other people. I realize now that I meant cis people, because the idea of being seen so closely terrified me. The idea of being seen and not understood was worse, so I just axed that entire idea. But I did also buy the 4K bluray, the soundtrack on vinyl, and made Pink Opaque ghost earrings out of polymer clay. So I like overly connected with it, because I'm 34 and quietly came out as non-binary a decade ago and then never spoke about it again because that wasn't a thing that people really understood all that well yet even in the queer community. I dress in increasingly affirming ways but will not look too closely at what medical interventions might benefit me (if any), because there's the eternal concern that I might be wrong or won't know what really feels right. I won't tell anyone I actually know, because then I can't take it back. This isn't how I think of or treat anyone else's experience of being trans, just my own. That's also the first time I've ever referred to myself as trans. I saw the ending of this movie as a tragedy because I assumed that Owen would do what I did, which is seal himself back up and pretend nothing ever happened. And then I cried again while I was listening to this and realized there was another way to see it, I just haven't gotten there yet.
Elaine
2024-09-26 23:33:22 +0000 UTCNot to mention how happy the ending to a FUCKING SCP ARTICLE is
Public Universal Foe
2024-09-26 22:05:07 +0000 UTCNovember's issues with the movie seemed similar to my issues with scp 6113, yeah ik I'm doing the "waow it's like I'm there with them" but that particular scp felt like something made in the first month of transition (bad)
Public Universal Foe
2024-09-26 22:04:29 +0000 UTCI also had a similar reaction to this movie to November. My argument is that I'm a millennial, and my media diet growing up was kids' cartoons and video games. I didn't have these kinds of shows to look up to until, as Devon mentioned, Friendship is Magic, and I was already in college by then. But I suppose the movie's conclusion is for me, being repressed and in the closet still.
Lydia Scribe
2024-09-26 21:35:17 +0000 UTCMy sister made me watch this film and I'm so glad I did
GreenRuin
2024-09-26 21:27:14 +0000 UTCAs someone who talks like Owen and feels like the Wrong Kind of Transfeminine I loved this episode and the differing views on what it feels like to just realize that being transgender can be both an option and a reality
YungCereza
2024-09-26 20:59:38 +0000 UTCA24 did actually release X-Men: Civil War. They put out both Ti West's "X" and Alex Garland's "Men" in 2022.
Donovan C
2024-09-26 20:49:45 +0000 UTCAlso it rules to watch this film as a cishet guy, sitting there as the credits roll like "I'm da king of da highway" while the queer friends who invited you to see it with them have all been weeping for like an hour
Nah
2024-09-26 20:43:56 +0000 UTCFun Fact the high school they filmed in was just called Verona High School and had the initials VHS everywhere they couldn't remove that and just had to name it something else that started with a V. In the commentary Schoenbrun says they just came up with Void High and now wishes they named it Veronica high school or something
Ladyknightthebrave
2024-09-26 20:39:23 +0000 UTCidk I already got it from brain damage I don't think I need to worry about if its gender too I just had an orchie how much more gender do I need
Lain of the Wired
2024-09-26 20:39:11 +0000 UTCIf I’m actually Noel Fielding in real life I’m gonna go ahead and repress forever thanks 🙏
Tall Jeff
2024-09-26 20:33:03 +0000 UTCKing Woman Mentioned 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Nah
2024-09-26 20:18:04 +0000 UTCI love Sophie Hunter. Blew the sub in my car to POP
Maladapted
2024-09-26 19:46:07 +0000 UTCOr you feel deeply seen
HAUNTER
2024-09-26 19:45:42 +0000 UTCCVNT MENTIONED
Maladapted
2024-09-26 19:45:38 +0000 UTCDoes the cold open mean We, the listener, have been the real Mattie Lubchansky this whole time?
Lizzie LaHaie
2024-09-26 19:44:46 +0000 UTCAmerican Football Mentioned 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Nah
2024-09-26 19:36:58 +0000 UTCExcited and terrified in equal measures
PodcastListener
2024-09-26 19:33:11 +0000 UTCngl this movie seems like an absolute nightmare if you got a dissociative disorder
Lain of the Wired
2024-09-26 19:14:11 +0000 UTC
