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Warriors vs Hawks | GM-41|

Warriors vs Hawks | GM-41|

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incoming "is your light skin king in under armors washed?"

ChizzyTheKid

Thanks Alch 🙏🏻

Ryan Mitchell

I think you said it right about klay. He will be gone in summer, so it might be time to trade him now. How about Murray/capela for Klay/moody?

Andreas Wiedemann

The entire Lauri Markkanen hype didn't come until this season lol. I'd honestly rather keep JK

Kd127

😂

Ejikeme Uzoigwe

CP GP odds at +1100

Athletic Alchemy

For all the trade talk, I feel the only path to salvaging this season is for at least three of these things to happen: 1) CP3 and GP2 both return and make it through the playoffs 2) Wiggins returns to form (as in, any version of pre 2023 Wiggins offensively, and any post 2019 Wiggins defensively) 3) Draymond maintains his offensive form and stays on the court 4) JK maintains his recent level of play I’m not saying the parlay is likely. I’m just saying these all happening seems like a safer bet than some trade actually saving the season.

Ejikeme Uzoigwe

Yea I understand that too. But having Steph help isn’t doing anything but creating another hole in the defense. He isn’t making the secondary rotation he needs too. He is slow to x out or recover back to the corner. Or downright refusing to move as the ball swings around. And I get he needs to save energy for the offensive end. Which is why he just shouldn’t be in a help defense role all that often.

Tyler Nevans

thank you for including the Dejan stuff Alc

Calum Stapleton

The biggest difference I saw from yesterday was that the team (despite the obvious circumstances) was playing some amount of joy. They looked like they were genuinely happy to be out there again, other than Steph's bad defense and smoking basically all his layups. If Steph is having "bad" games of 25-8 and everyones playing with joy, fuck it, I'll take it. But here we go again with WIGGINS IS BACK! HE'S SHOWING EFFORT AGAIN! We've been on this roller coaster before. Lets see what happens after eventual b2b losses. Will Klay go back to Klank Thompson? Will Wiggins turn into Andrew Wallow? Will Kerr bench Kuminga in the 4th quarter of a 1 score game when he goes 13-13 next time? Will Draymond punch the shit out of a random ass Mavs fan? Find out next time on Warriors Ball Z.

Jansen E

If they aren’t gonna make a trade the goal is to get everyone healthy, punish draymond by playing him more at the 5, pray wiggs and kuminga can play together and hope Steph and his legs can lock back in

Ben D

The way things are going Kuminga has a shot to be an all star next season

Diego Arch

I just hope that when CP3 comes back, GP2 comes back, Kerr doesn't go back to business as usual with Kuminga having to take a back seat again. He's essentially our #2 option now and he needs to be allowed to prove it.

Neal X

Loved seeing Kuminga dominating against another up and coming wing who’s kinda in his tier in terms of production and athleticism. Jalen Johnson looks quite a bit bigger than him but couldn’t stop him all night

Luke Zhang

This has been our defensive issues. The “big men” don’t actually do their job hence the over helping. Imagine having Capela or Gobert on bigs like AD, Sabonis etc. You live with the 1 v 1 matchup but at least you trust them to have a good contest down there. Looney and Dario almost gets cooked by every big in the league

ItsWhATItIs

if that's what happens then that's what happens. Overpaying for Dejounte would be disastrous. Honestly, the 1 unprotected Lakers pick and matching salary is about what he's worth on the market. 2 GSW picks would likely be the biggest offer if it's attached to an expiring.

Stevie Ray

Relax VLC, I was talking more generally in the chat about those selling Steph stock - and his lack of juice is tied to this currently not being a contender. See how things look when the smoke settles after early Feb

Stevie Ray

Tough game to break down knowing the energy that was with the team. Happy for the win. RIP Deki. Stephs hero ball play will always be worth it to me. He is just that guy. Some nights it won’t work. But more often than not, it will. And he doesn’t do it every possession. It’s just highlighted when the result is bad. However, his defense has just been so bad this season. Constantly over helping, and then staying as the low man and having Looney, Dario, TJD run out to the shooter. It doesn’t make any sense. If he wants to help in the paint, he needs to be the one running back out to the 3pt line. Or just save his energy and stick with his man. Let the big men do their job.

Tyler Nevans

Hamdu on that, I’m stuck between sell while the value is high OR reboot with him featured, I’m comfortable with jk, podz, trace, moody, curry as the lineup. It’s gotta be one or the other right?

Monte Fabiani

how many available player do? The way the league is right now you have to out score teams most nights. So I get it, id love a true center who protects the rim. but who gives one up?

Athletic Alchemy

as blasphemous as it sounds, maybe spot him up in the corners for 2-3 min phases and let Jk and Wigs work 5 out

Athletic Alchemy

yeah this is kinda what I was alluding too in that first 10 when he was going crazy.. remeber how kept saying " lot a dribbling for a 35 yr old"

Athletic Alchemy

valid, at the same time as he builds a rep he should get the bully call like all the other stars do

Athletic Alchemy

All I have heard is he and Trae are the only untouchables for them but yeah IDK

Athletic Alchemy

I hear you, who knows what has gone on behind the scenes to maybe have them saying " we got to move on" . I have and another trade idea Im saving for this weeks pod, that keeps JK

Athletic Alchemy

and he never hits the too small celly either, even on the break away no flash just bidness

Athletic Alchemy

Great analysis Alch. Chemistry was really encouraging. Steph not himself. Thanks for your thoughts on that. And, oh my, you nailed that creative and spot-on description of Quinn Snyder:🤣

Joan McErlean

my concern is Rich Paul forcing him to LA

Athletic Alchemy

Erotic art dealer in a meat packing district 😂😂😂

Ron Rierson

the epke udoh siting was a surprise

JC76

Any underdog hot picks?

MP

Kuminga been playing at a VERY high level the last few weeks. If you watch every time he is in the game the team just plays better. What I don't understand is why does it take Kerr so long to put him in the second half of games? He is legit the 3rd best player almost the second best player. Also, trace Jackson clearly isn't ready to play NBA defense- every time he comes in we start to slide, anyone else notice this?

Ryan becker

Yea, steph isn't looking good. He had not been looking like himself for awhile. I'm starting to get nervous. I think his she is starting to catch up with his style of play.

Carla Davis

I think if the warriors can get some type of package for dejounte Murry, Clint Capella and if lucky maybe Sadiq bay. But we only have to give up moody, Chris Paul, Wiggins, and maybe looney. Then we should be contenders. That will give us a true big and a 3 and D guard and another big boy scorer of the bench

Raymond Lyons

Just because I think Steph should adapt his game doesn't mean I'm "selling Steph stock" lmao. I think he can be a star player into his 40s, but he has to listen to his body.

Vulacior

For example - the recent Dunc'd On podcast purposed a Wiggins deal to the Hornets for Gordan Hayward. They concluded, that if the Warriors included Moody, then it would be a nice exchange for Charlotte, but only because they have proven to be poor in free agency and no one wants to go there. Giving up a pick or Miody like that to save money would be illogical. We only get 1 or two moves left in this window and they have to solve the defensive and front court issues. Trading Wiggins is the weak move, the string move, is to sell on Klay while he's playing alright offensively. Klay + 2 firsts could get Murray and Capella. Most see Capella's deal as a negative

Stevie Ray

Wish I could just send an audio, cause it's too much to type - but simplified, Warriors call an opposing GM for player X, a player who is desirable around the league - if that GM is willing to sell, he likely isn't looking to contend - he's looking to rebuild or at least reshuffle the deck. He wants young players, draft, capital, and/or expiring contracts (to create optionality in free agency & get under the tax). They are always gonna ask for CP or Klay if a big salary is required in the exchange. Wiggs is currently a negative salary, so it doesn't make sense to deal him now - his role needs to be recalibrated as a bench weapon. Dubs fans are worried about his long term money, but trying to make an up grade through selling a negative stock is more a financial move rather than a roster construction move towards contending. It's CP or Klay plus picks, and maybe Podz or Mood. The only player out there that Kuminga could be in play for, in Markkanen.

Stevie Ray

Season would have been over if we would have lost this one...

Nathan Glanzer

You don’t think that it’s any teams that don’t acquire many big name free agents that might be interested in Wiggs?

Kd127

I promise I'm not expert lol.....but what many of us have been saying is that it's clear kuminga is our 2nd best scorer and it isn't close. Finally we are attacking mismatches...and actually letting kuminga handle the ball and get a screen. Been calling for this for 3 years. Sad it basically had to be forced on the coaching staff. What would makes sense would to empower jk and continue to make this a key in how we attack teams but under kerr wouldn't surprise me if a few early mistakes in a game from jk erases all the good and its back to square 1 lol

k fish

Same can be said for the Warriors not having Draymond for half the season. We cannot control who plays and who doesn't play on any given night. It doesn't take away the defensive effort and communication we saw from the 2nd half last night.

Jimmy Ji

I get that. Give some draft capital and Moody are something. But JK should be untouchable. You should be trade him for anybody 5 or 6 years older than he is. If trade Kuminga I want back multiple 1st. Not older players.

Kd127

Let's just keep the receipts, like all the 2022 chatter on Curry - selling Steph stock? I'm here to buy it

Stevie Ray

They didn't have Trae let's pump the brakes on how effective our defense was

Tom L

On 3 different big pod channels his contract has been called 'maybe the worst contract in basketball. ' at this point you would likely need to attach positive value to the Wiggs contract to unload it this season.

Stevie Ray

It is extremely unlikely anyone would outbid 2026 +28 GSW 1sts tied to an expiring for Dejounte - likely its an overpay. There is no world where Kuminga gets sent for Murray. Everyone has forgotten, the 3 picks ATL sent to the Spurs had his 18 million with two years left on the cheap deal baked in. He was never worth 3 picks, the asset was (theoretically).

Stevie Ray

I totally agree. I don't see any trade that make sense to give up either Kuminga or Wiggins.

Alex Kay

Crazy Kuminga made Johnson look like a 6’3 guard. Love you alch, but idk about that Cojo statement hahaha

Sevrin Weiss

What I saw from D.Murray was a ball dominant guy on offense who needs shots and a very slight small frame that got cooked on the inside every time. Warriors don’t need any of that.

Chris Hall

If we can play consistent defense like we did in the 2nd half moving forward, we don't need a trade! We held the Hawks to 38% shooting in the 2nd half... I can't remember the last time we played defense like that. Not only did we play better defense, I think we found our closing lineup in Draymond, Steph, Klay, Wigs and Kuminga. Every team is hunting Steph on defense these days so we need a lineup that's big enough to cover for his deficiencies (not to mention his defense has fallen off a cliff this year). If he is going to be this big of a liability on defense, I'm not so sure he can still lead a team to a championship. That's always been the knock on Dame right? Father time has arrived for Steph, it won't be much longer until someone else supplants him as the best player on this team.

Jimmy Ji

And the waymo cam comment came correct too. Appreciate you Alc

Gary

He is who we thought he was

Jim

Andy Warhol without the wig

GenerationTRS80

Difference is the time off, he had over a week off and still looked like he was playing a back to back.

Vulacior

We said this in 2022. He's obviously aging but just a few months ago he was dropping 30 every other night on ridiculous efficiency. Alch's energy makes it sound like Steph is cooked lol. Not yet

ChizzyTheKid

You misspelled legend brah

Dimitrios Cacomanolis

This man's description of Quin Snyder was out of pocket yet so accurate. You a fool Alc.

Ken

Everybody wants a trade but there’s no trades that are gonna move the needle imo. Everybody’s value is as low as it can be besides jku and podz and they are the only 2 not named Steph who’ve been consistently balling out. If we had a bunch of picks we could package it would be a different story

Connor H

That Steph podz Wiggins kuminga and draymond lineup looks decent can’t lie

Noah Bailey

Doesn't have to be that drastic. A lot more off ball plays, and adopt a more energy efficient dribble, ie Luka. And I think Alch is on the money, he can't train like he used to anymore. Probably needs a complete overhaul in his regime, should most likely just copy what Bron is doing. It's not just genetics that's kept that man elite for so long. We've seen Bron evolve his game multiple times as his body changes. It's time for Steph to do the same.

Vulacior

Rich kid with no moral compass. Him and his parents should all be spanked.

Major Powers

I'd like to see what we look like with Kuminga as our primary scorer and Steph playing off of him.

Branden Edwards

i think Moody, CP3, and GP2 might be expendable if we are going to make a trade. CP will be the center piece as his contract is expiring. Loved the overall effort from the group and as sad as with Deki leaving us too soon i think it will put perspective on what is important in life and make every player want to play better team ball. We can accomplish more when you dont care about stats or credit and last night felt like that. Honestly though, if no trades are made i still think we can contend but it would be great to swap a guard for another 4/5

Joshua Davis

Was pretty choked up seeing Deki’s widow so emotional. Overall was very classy the way everything was handled but I feel like could’ve held back on some of the shots of his family given their reactions. Quinn Snyder pulling up in the Linda Belcher glasses was crazy 😂 Kuminga and Wiggins look better together out there with Draymond back communicating on offense and defense. More of those 3 please and less of the Looney Dario combo. Steph Klay Wiggs JK Dray is our highest ceiling lineup and the closest we’ll get to another death lineup.

Luke Zhang

This is so real. As a 30-something myself, it's a world of sorry finishing attempts after just barely making it into the paint. Steph may really have to start thinking about life as a spot-up shooter sooner than later

yan't get right

🫡

Luke Zhang

Did y’all see the fan trying to steal dekis shirt off his chair during Steph’s postgame? That’s some ULTRA pussy tier shit right there lol

Connor H

If Wiggs is putting in effort again, and his trade value is rock bottom, doesn't it make more sense to just keep Wiggins? I just don't see what gamechanger the Dubs can land that doesn't include Kuminga. Which I think would be a monumentally stupid move.

Major Powers

"erotic art gallery in a meatpacking district" yo come on man 😂😂😂

yan't get right

@Alch does Murray help solve our problems which are size and defense? I know he helps somewhat on the scoring end? Assuming Wiggins is gone in the deal

Hg80

It's like Kuminga is unlocking a different gear. His mind and body look way more in sync. When he's patient and methodical he's hard to stop. I DO NOT want to trade him away. And I'm someone that's wanted Dejonte since last season. Warriors FO in a tough spot. As for Steph, I saw what you saw with his legs looking cooked. Aside from training, what can he really adjust on the court to have more energy? They used him as a decoy a lot last night but sheesh. I've never seen Steph miss as many layups as this season.

Ciara Dean

I think as Stephs aging, he's slowing down, but he doesn't realize it mentally. He's still forcing the same pace, but everything takes 20% more effort now. Since he uses such a fast twitch gliding dribbling style, it consumes so much more energy than he realizes at this age. By the time he reaches the rim hes already gassed and the shot ends up short.

Vulacior

What did you guys think of the Wiggins and kuminga lineup

Shaun Ting

Kuminga benefitted from the Implied no calls on the warriors last night, he would have caught a walk / charge or three.

Monte Fabiani

You read what I said

Aben

The what are doing what 😂😭

Luke Zhang

Idk man I just don’t see us trading JK especially the way he’s been playing

Javig02

Kum stains are feasting

Aben

It was surprising how bad of a perimeter defender Jalen Johnson was.Kuminga was fucking him up.Whenever he wanted

mr.bean

Trade Wiggins ASAP. I know teams are asking for Kuminga as they should but he should be untouchable. We aren't shopping JK.

Kd127

Dubs should get the BRATE shirts printed up and donate all the proceeds to Deki's family. What a statement that would be (think how that'd translate in international sales).

JC

Kumingastans, we feasting!

Vincent Zendejas

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