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Zenith of Sorcery Billing Strategy

So, a little background here. When I first started posting Mother of Learning on Fictionpress, I published the first four chapters of the story all at once on the same day. I did that because I like to start my stories slow and it took four chapters for MoL to really get into the whole premise of the story itself... but also because posting multiple chapters in succession builds momentum for the story.

For Zenith of Sorcery, I basically intend to do the same thing. I will wait until I have about four chapters written before posting them on Fictionpress and Royal Road in quick succession. Probably one a day until I run out of chapters, at which point I'll switch to regular my  'one chapter every 3-4 weeks' schedule.

There is an issue, though - I normally charge you guys for each individual chapter. If I wait until four or more chapters are done and then post them in quick succession, that would mean I would charge you a whole bunch of money all at once. This isn't what you signed up for, and so I was considering how to handle patreon charges for a while now. I see three possible options.

Option 1: I switch to monthly payments. This way you would be billed at the 1st of the following month, and then once every month afterwards. Back when I was publishing MoL I basically published one chapter each month (when averaged out over the years), so I don't think anyone loses out if I do this. However, it does mean you get billed every month, regardless of whether or not I actually write something.

Option 2: I start billing you for the future test chapters I publish in the future. This would be done with the understanding that you're not really paying for the test chapters themselves, but rather the actual finished chapters that will be posted later. Then, when I finally publish the story on the wider internet, I charge you only once - for the very first chapter, which hadn't had a charged post.

Option 3: Things stay as they are. Before posting the chapters on Royal Road and Fictionpress, and after posting the first chapter, I will send you a warning so that you can temporarily unsubscribe from me to prevent a sudden succession of further billings hitting your account. You can then subscribe back afterwards as you please. This will allow you to pay for a chapter or two or however much you feel comfortable paying, and opt out of the rest.

Honestly, I am fine with any of the three options. Therefore, whatever option gets the most votes is what I will pick. Pure popularity contest on this one.

Also, no matter what wins, I will continue posting further test chapters to see the responses and adjust the beginning of the story for the final release.

Anyway, thank you all on your continued support, and I hope there is no hard feelings towards the winning option.


Comments

I vote for option 4 - Stay as you are and don't warn me, I would like to pay for every chapter.

Not fussed really either way. Whatever suits u the best.

HenryMorgan

Mother of learning was great so honestly just looking to contribute a little as thanks so whatever suits you I like to buy mother of learning any news

Donncha crowley

I am entirely alright with any of the three options - if I had reservations about any of them, I would not have included that option at all. As I said somewhere above, I might change that if it turns out it puts too much pressure on me, but for now I think I can handle it.

Domagoj Kurmaic

How do you personally feel about a monthly schedule? If it means that you feel pressured to put out a new chapter because "they paid for it", then I'd prefer you to stay on a per chapter plan. If on the other hand you'd need to worry less about chapter timing and you'd trust us not to begrudge you the occasional vacation or sick leave, then I'd prefer a monthly plan. All else equal, I (slightly) prefer the monthly model – it feels more like supporting you as an artist rather than paying for results.

Lars Huluk

Any of these models are fine with me

Kelley

I have tried to speed up my writing speed for a while, and it hasn't worked all that well. So me predicting it will take me 3-4 weeks to write a chapter is only being realistic. Of course I'd love to write faster if possible... This may be a little strange, but I like my job. There is no way I'd quit it to be a dedicated writer, so I'm unlikely to ever become a full-time writer, even if I got enough money off patreon to enable that.

Domagoj Kurmaic

The biggest part of MoL being successful aside from writing talent and skill, was Domagoj being unwilling to release a chapter he was unhappy with. It was this willingness to delay chapters until they were ready that gave such a high level of quality to MoL. I'm not saying he couldn't go faster if writing was his sole job but I atleast am completely blind on his personal life and job so I won't make any guesses on that front. MoL was a passion project that we could support, not a sole source of income and frankly I think it was better for that. Without the expectation that if I don't release a chapter this month I don't eat... without that mentality getting into. I've lost count of how many Authors started out amazingly strong only to drag their stories on and on to continue keeping Patreon Money coming because... who knows if the next story will be a hit so they keep the 1st alive far longer than it should've been. Now I don't think Domagoj would fall to this particular temptation or let the fear or guilt push him to release things he's unhappy with but ya. If it ain't broke.

Viola

I don't really think it's about the money. Sure, I imagine he could just try and pump out chapter after chapter to farm Patreon money, but I also think a big part of what made Mother of Learning (and hopefully Zenith of Sorcery) so good is that he took time to make sure that it was the way that he wanted it to be, and that he was doing it because he wanted to rather than doing it because he gets $2500/week from Patreon. A lot of webfics are a lot longer and updated a lot more regularly than MoL, but I'm very hard pressed to think of one that is out-and-out better. If it ain't broke...

Brad

"Probably one a day until I run out of chapters, at which point I'll switch to regular my 'one chapter every 3-4 weeks' schedule." Don't want to be nosy, but have you considered that, if you can get $2000/month (or so) from Patreon when you're only putting out one chapter every few weeks, you could probably make a much more substantial income if the updates were more frequent? Basically my dream here is you writing full-time so we get more wizard-y goodness.

Cicero

For Domagoj: I think the page owner can 'deactivate' their page. I follow an author who has self deactivated for a few months as they have been on hiatus and don't want to charge people for not doing anything. That way you could leave the monthly on and if you get hit with writer's block for a few consecutive months and feel like you're cheating people you can deactivate for a month to take the emotional stress off of yourself.

Doodlyboy15

"This isn't what you signed up for" i beg to differ, we can all chose a monthly limit (2* in my case)

Jeff091

New Patreons might be scared off by per chapter payments when you are posting a bunch of chapters at once, even if its only temporary.

IShallRiseAgain

I definitely see your point - it's true for me that I would feel very bad if I went a few months without delivering anything. However, in that case I would just switch back to payment per chapter rather than getting more frustrated with myself. Just because I switched to monthly payments doesn't mean it has to be necessarily permanent.

Domagoj Kurmaic

It depends on your own perception too i guess. In my opinion, monthly payment often causes authors to feel bad if writers block hits, as they are charging for nothing. Which leads to stress, and to more blocks. Payment per chapter on the other hand means you earn money when you deliver sth, which is an incentive, but doesn't force you to overcommit. So I'm fine with both but I would encourage you to stay with the payment per chapter, Itworked out so far, and i don't see a problem with the bundled release

Dragebar

I've already got my pledge set up to only give you money once a month. :p

Lhexa

I already felt bad back then for working so slow. It would have felt even more awful if I was charging people for each month that passed with no chapter.

Domagoj Kurmaic

I’m fine with any option here. Voted for monthly but anything works. I wish monthly had been an option at the end of MoL when releases were slow.

Yshua

I like paying for content and I think it would be less pressure for you as well if you need to take breaks etc. So I would highly recommend you keep a membership model for paying per chapter any way you are comfortable. I don’t mind paying more if you write faster and actually that is why I like the content based model since it incentivizes the author to produce more content. (if they feel like it)

NonuvfOorbiz

Personally I'm fine with whatever option you choose. I only like the monthly payments option because I feel like you deserve to have a consistent monthly income whether or not you are able to write something.

Extremeone

I didn't know that. That's nice to know. For now it seems like monthly payments is winning, but if people vote to keep things the same I guess I can tell them to do the same as you.

Domagoj Kurmaic

I like the idea of monthly payments. I love your writing so it was never about the chapters themselves and more about helping you earn a living so that you can keep on writing.

Longhaul

I'll stay at it is, if you write 4 chapters I pay 4 chapters. Its fair.

Janders

I went with monthly just for consistency and predictability, but as others have said I trust you at this point.

LenoraeKB

Monthly is fine. I have confidence in your work.

DiabolicalGenius

pledging gives two options: . support every creation . set a monthly limit [user input] IMO people signed up for what they signed up for and you've done the further courtesy of giving us a heads up. i had it set for two max per month---on a three-week release schedule, this would effectively trigger as if i had chosen the "support every creation" option, while at the same time protecting against a flurry of releases too. hopefully, most people likewise chose an option they're comfortable with! feel to keep the pay structure the same (: also, consider doing multiple releases split by the end of the month (eg, two chapters on 05-28th, two chapters on 06-10 or similar) to trigger all the juicy payments, but maintaining some stagger. this way, even the "support every creation" folks don't get charged too much all at once.

JDG

I think you proved your ability to deliver quality work over a long period of time, and am for monthly payments regardless of the timing of publishing new chapters. But I would also not mind paying per chapter, if you release more chapters in a month. Or not. It’s up to you.

Armo

I don't mind paying twice if you take two months to get a chapter right

Adrien Matricon

not sure on everyone's point of view, but the monthly payment system works for me

Vissermatt

Did you know that it's possible to set a maximum number of payments per month? I already have it set to once, so that it acts like a monthly payment :Ü™

Darker

I voted for monthly payments but I'm honestly OK with any way you want to bill it. Monthly seems like it would give you a more consistent revenue stream


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