DITW 13-1: Thoughts They Cannot Defend

Josh can buy it and play it.

CSH

I did toy with that idea, but no.

Bill F Protagoras

This is maybe not her first rodeo?

Andrew Mellein

Just like Johnny from Landlord who still has his tiny prick locked in a cage! And is trying to create a video game🤣🤣

Andrew Mellein

I have a horrible theory about why Kimberly thinks she is so much more deeply evil than Josh could learn without rejecting her outright, but I'm going to keep it to myself like Kimberly and KT have.

Bill F Protagoras

But how great would be her indignation if Devlin had presumed to lock her Josh's precious prick in what Jason Lenov cleverly dubbed a love cage!

Bill F Protagoras

I always have to remind myself, but he actually wrote little minded. It doesn't really matter in Emerson's case... but in the case where Einstein said that doing exactly the same thing and expecting a different result was A definition of madness... NOT 'the' definition of madness explains why psychiatrists don't use it as their chief diagnostic tool !

Bill F Protagoras

To answer your question, CSH, the answer logically would be "no", they are both similarly wrong and awful for Josh. BUT. Kimmy has said multiple times she thinks only she should be allowed certain things in relation to demeaning or humiliating Josh because she "knows best" and loves him so has his best interests (ha!) at heart. This typically is followed up with why she dislikes Devlin and the crap he pulls in relation to Josh and that Devlin can't be trusted with Josh and how fragile he is. So it will be interesting to see how Kimmy takes this. Disappointed in Josh? Angry at Devlin for potentially ruining her moment? Both?

L_S87

Asked of everyone but aimed at no one, of course.. I had the same thought, that her touching him meant he wasn’t locked up. Though let me go back and look at the description……

CSH

This is not directed at me right? I think he might be wearing something else though Kimmy's touching his willy through his pants makes it unlikely, also Josh would probably be more embarrassed but you never can tell when he gets tight lipped! Kimmy did say he was really hard...and what would her reaction be!

Bill F Protagoras

Devlin is crass and direct while Kimmy is artful and nuanced. But they are both now working toward the same goal. Is it somehow okay to compare Josh’s dick with Devlin’s but wrong to make him wear her undies?

CSH

Maybe I'm mistaken but it seems to me Kimmy is trying to create a secret language out of past memories and shared beliefs so they can communicate with an ambiguity that Devlin will not be capable of understanding... it seems to me she is only partially successful... and what is about to occur will doubtless dash her subterfuge to pieces

Bill F Protagoras

She will only fish it out long enough to compare it to Devlin’s monstrosity before she makes him pop off while still wearing them.

CSH

Uh, by saying it. What hasn’t she lied about so far?

CSH

All the comments are *so* thought provoking, especially in regards to the choices before Josh. I love the pill reference from The Matrix that Bill instigated and KT gave, because it encapsulates so well where Josh is at. His world is not what he thought it was, nor how he wanted it to be. Like Neo, he knew something was off, but the revelation of the rabbit hole lead not to where he imagined, but to an apocalyptic waste land no imagination could ever conjure. And that's where Josh finds himself. Backed into a corner, already into the rabbit hole so deep that backing out is impossible, with two unpalatable choices before him. And worse, Kimmy is trying to foist off one of the two poison pills as the "right" thing for him and will show solidarity, making their relationship and marriage tighter because they've always been in this "together". Telling Josh to own this because he will regret it as if this is better for him and a positive outcome while it conveniently gives her, quite literally, everything she wants. Kimmy is the worst Morpheus of all time. Her pill gives Josh to the agents (Devlin) and tells him to have fun while his psyche is ripped to pieces for their enjoyment. You swallow that pill Josh and there's a lot of things you'll regret for the rest of your life but letting Kimmy fish your dick out of those panties will be the least of them.

L_S87

Which war? The class war? Good ole Ike's military industrial complex? The war against Terror? Or the war against Devlin monopolizing Kimmy's time whenever he wants, or she can persuade him to fuck her... didn't Kimmy already surrender? Isn't Josh's participation nugatory? Everybody knows that the dice are loaded Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed Everybody knows the war is over Everybody knows the good guys lost Everybody knows the fight was fixed The poor stay poor, the rich get rich That's how it goes Everybody knows Everybody knows that the boat is leaking Everybody knows that the captain lied Everybody got this broken feeling Like their father or their dog just died Everybody talking to their pockets Everybody wants a box of chocolates And a long-stem rose Everybody knows Everybody knows that you love me baby Everybody knows that you really do Everybody knows that you've been faithful Oh, give or take a night or two Everybody knows you've been discreet But there were so many people you just had to meet Without your clothes Everybody knows, everybody knows And everybody knows that you're in trouble Everybody knows what you've been through From the bloody cross on top of Calvary To the beach of Malibu Everybody knows it's coming apart Take one last look at this Sacred Heart Before it blows

Bill F Protagoras

That first quote still gives me goose bumps and drew me into the very special ops at the White Visitation as the operation was codenamed.

Bill F Protagoras

Now, I've got yet another fucking book I've got to read.

Bill F Protagoras

I was Slickly listening to the song in my head as I decided which way to take the two pills, but really it was a no brainer.

Bill F Protagoras

Don't you understand the alter ego aspect of evil side-kicking you're not supposed to tell everyone! He blushed winsomely wishing he had a pussy at hand so he could stroke it evilly.

Bill F Protagoras

Ps Pynchon is one of the greatest American/ English writers of the 20th century and not a literary snob like Eliot or Joyce! And no mere fleeting fad.

Bill F Protagoras

Good grief! Another homework assignment. Fortunately, it does not require direct inputs of either math or physics. I loved Obsessed. You think translated Schweizerdeutsch (Jung) is easy at my age?

Donkatsu

Gravity's Rainbow is like that but Pynchon admitted he didn't understand a lot of the tech an chemical stuff he put in it.. fudged it, also I saw one of those companion books on kindle. It's like Joyce's Ulysses you're not gonna understand every thing. But most of Pynchon's books especially his later ones are easier than that. But the truth is GR is a cornucopia of laughs, sex, violence and just about every genre you can shake a stick at. If you want genuine historical science fiction that is educational, entertaining, erudite and brilliantly written then I loved and painlessly learned a lot from and was impressed by as literature there is Neal Stephenson's Baroque Cycle in three volumes Quicksilver, The Confusion and The System of the World, it transcends genre but is the most rigorous piece of genuine science fiction I have read, with a judicious sprinkling of fantasy. And as I said to KT The Crying of Lot 49 at a mere 189 and almost no science is Pynchon light.

Bill F Protagoras

I should also note, a lot of Kaputt is fiction.

KT Morrison

A passage from Kaputt that sold me on Malaparte: "Naked Germans are wonderfully defenseless. They are bereft of secrecy. They are no longer frightening. The secret of their strength is not in their skin or in their bones, or in their blood, it is in their uniforms. Their real skin is their uniform. If the peoples of Europe were aware of the flabby, defenseless, and dead nudity concealed by the Feldgrau of the German uniform, the German Army could not frighten even the weakest and most defenseless people." (Written during the war, looking for adventure, seeking to journal as a journalist should)

KT Morrison

Brilliant, Donkatsu! Do you remember Courtney from Obsessed?—she was the one who broke down the potential film remake's theme for the pretentious French film director (after giving her husband a washroom hand job) in the diner she thought was from Pulp Fiction. She went online by Miss Proust. Consistency being the hobgoblin of small minds was the essence of her sales pitch, ha ha!

KT Morrison

The only options that Amy has for Josh I can think of is that she wants that threesome with Kimmy and Devlin that was denied her in high school. Or maybe out of left field she wants Josh for herself and wants to destroy Kimmy and Josh’s marriage. I don’t know?

Andrew Mellein

KT does go (old) Thomas Wolfe on us sometimes - e.g., "His stomach soured and rolled over; an awful, sickening feeling. His heart pounded. And though for the first time in a month he felt some relief, he simmered on the edge of a boiling pot of ruin. " You seem determined to make us all understand that consistency is truly the hobgoblin of small minds. The Jungians amongst us (that you, KT?) would aver that without this opposition, this yin and yang, we would all go crazy. KT and her evil sidekick, the trusty Protagoras, are preparing quite the erudite feast for Book 13 - Heraclitus, Wolfe, Jung, Quantum Entanglement, The Matrix; the second law of thermodynamics cannot be far behind Heraclitus (sorry, Josh and Kimmy, you cannot press rewind, and it is only remotely likely that Kimmy would even if she could). Do we get a degree or certificate at the end? Perhaps a MaSD (Masters in Sexual Deviance).

Donkatsu

I think Louis Carroll and Jefferson Airplane covered this one pretty well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aeWicwy7fA

Donkatsu

Pynchon was a Thing for while, eons ago. He requires more background in history and science than most people can bring to a book.

Donkatsu

Ni puta! That means I haven't a fucking clue about that... The more I find out the less I know...

Bill F Protagoras

LOL!

KT Morrison

And the quantum entanglement because no matter how far apart YOU move Kimmy and Josh they'll always spin in opposite directions.

Bill F Protagoras

Jeez, that really does sound fantastic. My book next up is Curzio Malaparte's Kaputt.

KT Morrison

Amazing KT! I’m so glad you’re not feeling pressured to rush the ending. You’ve worked so hard and created a masterpiece. I love the title for Book 13, and I’m so excited for the schedule of new chapters.

Kat

Yay KT!!

Kat

Gratitude 🙏

Andrew Mellein

I know I've listened to it on and off today... I wasn't sure I should tell every other bugger hence moody. Softy!

Bill F Protagoras

At your feet...

Bill F Protagoras

Will one make his penis larger? That would ruin him!

Bill F Protagoras

Well, it's kinda the same book, but I had to break it up. I haven't published anything in months and we're still not through the end yet. There's a lot of ground to cover still, and I'd hate to feel the rush to finish it just for the sake of getting it published. It'll give me breathing room and also let me expand on the ending the way I'd like. As for the next chapter, I have a few uploaded and scheduled, but they're set to publish on Mon, Tues, Thrs, Fri. So the next chapter will be tomorrow night.

KT Morrison

I must be one of a minority who have read Gravity's Rainbow, as you know I love long books... I've read it about four times, parts of it are heavy going. The first time I read it took me two days to get through about 50 pages consulting dictionaries to find out what words like preterite meant until I realized if I ignored the dictionary I knew what it meant. I persevered because I had read The Crying of Lot 49 a novella by Pynchon that led me into his paranoid universe, where an anarchist postal service with the symbol of a muted post horn reach back through history, I spent several weeks making Management and some staff at our school twitchy with signs and symbols on notice boards W.A.S.T.E. drawings of muted post horns, We Await Silent Tristero's Empire. It's only 189 pages long, its main character is Oedipa Mas and it's great. It starts with her getting anonymous phone calls. Gravity's Rainbow's is set in WWII and a comic labyrinth of hot sex, drugs, violence, a secret service agency that employs supernatural methods and its main characters are dissolute AWOL service men who travel war zones but most of all it's about V2 rockets and a hot blonde nazi soldier who is fated to re-enact Hanzel and Gretel by kinky nazi scientists... you'll probably always be too busy to read it... But if you haven't read it already I sincerely recommend The Crying of Lot 49 as Pynchon's shortest novel.

Bill F Protagoras

Oh wow, there’s going to be another book. KT is there going to be another chapter tonight? These chapters end in cliffhangers and I want to see where they go next!

Andrew Mellein

This is brilliant; and the theme of Heraclitus's cosmology is represented. And (here's where this gets crazy), this DITW 12-21 is actually DITW 13-1 (Thanks, Kat! A great suggestion), and the next book is titled "The Unity of Opposites." And the next chapter is titled "Coincidentia Oppositorum."

KT Morrison

Of the chapter's title? It's a snippet of song with a tender meaning, and a cheeky double entendre.

KT Morrison

Josh is always at the ready; his faith may be as eternal as a minute passed.

KT Morrison

Definitely. Soon she will present Josh with a choice of two pills.

KT Morrison

And now the question: does Josh profit from the war, or do Kimmy and Devlin only sell him on the profits with promising whispers?

KT Morrison

What an amazing reference. I had to look it up. From "Gravity's Rainbow": "Nobody wanted to hear about all the Preterite, the many God passes over when he chooses a few for salvation." Described by another as the ones whose only purpose is to be controlled by the elite (the "Them"), the ones who suffer but never profit from "The War." (Thanks to reddit!)

KT Morrison

Possibly? But the series started without this kink and Josh and Kimmy were fine. Until Devlin and possibly Amy wanted to eject themselves into their marriage.

Andrew Mellein

True!

Andrew Mellein

How can she if the basis of that reassurance is a lie.

Donkatsu

Poor Bill's a cold! I know Tom a Bedlam was really a child of the nobility but has no-one any sympathy for our very own preterite the homeless. So no-one gets the wrong idea I'm cold cos I just got up and put the heating on.

Bill F Protagoras

Blow, winds, and crack your cheeks! rage! blow! You cataracts and hurricanoes, spout Till you have drench’d our steeples, drown’d the cocks! You sulph’rous and thought-executing fires, Vaunt-couriers to oak-cleaving thunderbolts, Singe my white head! And thou, all-shaking thunder, Strike flat the thick rotundity o’ th’ world, Crack Nature’s moulds, all germains spill at once, That makes ingrateful man!

Bill F Protagoras

"When they went home," You can't go home again... the big Wolfe said so, and so did you when you invoked the shade of Heraclitus without pouring steaming fresh bull's blood in a ditch to put Josh in his place about the good old used to be... You've fucked up, Kimmy! And Josh is gonna hafta pay... You've been suppin' with the Devlin way up too close and personal... he's close enough to take you by the scruff of the neck and shake you like a rat! And is Josh gonna be in any fit state to help you? What have you done to deserve his help... push, pull, wheedle him to his wit's end... an act of love and charity

Bill F Protagoras

Bill F Protagoras

What's the big deal? What dedicated follower hasn't Ray Davis'd and put on their paramour or puta's pants? Why else would she have abandoned them pale and loitering beside your bed? They won't bite will they KT, even within the glass and metal of the walls of Stone's apartment where he's outrageously trapped lovebirds?

Bill F Protagoras

"She was guilty and she was wicked, but her transgressions didn’t occur in a vacuum." Nature abhors a vacuum... abhorrence such opprobrium.

Bill F Protagoras

Ask yourself? What it is that he might have wanted all along?

Bill F Protagoras

Amusing, but she smells heavily of eau de lackey.

Bill F Protagoras

We don't know Kat, but like you I think Devlin is using Amy... probably as an evil beard... so why does Amy have it in for Josh? So he has a small dick... why would it offend her so much she wants to pluck it out it's not her dick?

Bill F Protagoras

Hah! 🤣🤣Oh Kimmy!

Andrew Mellein

“We’re in this together. We’ve always been.” Always! Isn't that like the 'nunc semper stans,' like lonnnggger than your crozier, your excellency? Suck it, and see...

Bill F Protagoras

So it's Kink vincit omnia... get your Nun's Priest's tail to a nunnery!

Bill F Protagoras

You're imagining he's wearing panties!

Bill F Protagoras

She’s trying to but I think Devlins going fuck it up with his dumb jock bully taunts!

Andrew Mellein

"You made me think of it. You put it in my head to do it.” Ha! fucking Laurel and Hardy... Ha! My client wishes to plead insanity...

Bill F Protagoras

Kimmy needs to own it and reassure Josh no matter what.

CSH

"like a wildfire from her sexual core and corrupting her mainframe," What! So now she's the Matrix!

Bill F Protagoras

Double Duh!

CSH

"Kimmy’s a woman who needs to get fucked.” So so true... out of the mouths of babes and Devlins...

Bill F Protagoras

“I did it,” she gasped, fighting the passion, “I did it so I could tell you I did it some day.” And not so long ago he was reassuring her she was not that stupid...

Bill F Protagoras

"the dumb, disadvantaged fool sitting in wait, fooled by an evil enchantress." Good one, KT, he serves who sits and waits... what great historic enterprise does he serve... the stoicism of the preterite? Not stupid grammar but Pynchon's preterite!

Bill F Protagoras

I so hate to have each of my worst suspicions confirmed and have my lips sealed by mischief's metal threads with bitter dragon's venom dripping from it's jaws onto my forehead splashing in my eyes as the sharp edged stone cuts in my back and back of thighs and buttocks torn while my body aches and quakes the middle yard... where's my wife to ease my pain... what's that fool doing here leaning curiously into this of all wrong tales asking me to deliver a message to one of the norns... I see her in the miasma by the tree's fat root and whisper... Bill says, "Rue!"... like a stupid cross worded clew and my tortured pangs resume a broken punishment where I don't belong... where's a wife when you need one... Farbautison... the norn's strict indifference... here comes the next... but neither least nor last... searing drop... I shake enough to shatter worlds in shivers...

Bill F Protagoras

And if she loved Josh, she would quit her job with Devlin and go back to weaving baskets, wearing dowdy clothes, and being monogamous with Josh for the rest of her life. I don’t see her doing that at this point. I see her being the dominant one in the relationship and continuing to cuckold and humiliate Josh with if not Devlin other Alpha male types. But she will say “We are all in this together”🤣🤣

Andrew Mellein

There is something Homoerotic going on with Devlin🤣

Andrew Mellein

Duh!

Bill F Protagoras

L_S87, I just reread that chapter, and I see what you were saying. I had forgotten about that. Josh thought that Kimmy was the only one who knew how obsessed he was about the panties. Before the last couple chapters, I would have said no way did Kimmy have anything to do with those texts. Now, I wonder. Kimmy is seeming more and more unredeemable to me. She’s realizing truths about herself, as well. She acknowledges how much she loves dominating and humiliating Josh. We’ll just have to wait and see how she reacts to Devlin’s awful surprise.

Kat

I think Devlin is sweet on Josh! Devlin is closeted. Overly macho to hide his leanings.

RCH

I wish Josh didn't back down and kept calling Kimmy's bullshit out. And then during the argument slugged Devlin upside his stupid head!

Andrew Mellein

I think Amy was also the mastermind behind the party and Devlin being with Kimmy. She also somehow sent Devlin's business card to their apartment and had fake Devlin texts bragging about fucking Kimmy. It was all in Book 1! Amy is the mastermind of it all! Amy: "It was always me Josh the author of your pain" (LOL!)

Andrew Mellein

Kat: it wasn't actually in that chapter. It was a few after that when Josh was heading home. He was livid and contemplating how evil and awful Kimmy was to do this to him and during those thoughts he noted that Devlin was shocked to see the panties. Josh himself stated he thought that meant those texts never came from Devlin, but from someone else. Josh surmised it was Kimmy betraying him yet again. From Kimmy's POV, it was never discussed but given her abhorrence for Devlin at the time, seemed 99.99% unlikely she would partner with Devlin to do something so horrific. That lead me to belive the likely culprit was Amy, since that sort of demeaning action is right up her alley. Unfortunately, as you noted, its a part of the story that sort of got dropped and ignored, but it plays prime importance to me simply because it sets the stage for why Josh would be so unlikely to wear the panties again at Devlin's behest. Hopefully KT has a good reason cooked up for us beyond, he just did it because it adds spice to the story. I have faith, she's good at catching these things and making them work. Just feels off the way it's currently portrayed.

L_S87

If Kimmy really loves Josh she’ll end it with Devlin right there. She supposedly doesn’t want to see Josh hurt. I don’t believe that anymore. She loves hurting Josh. It turns her on.

Kat

I never read that chapter like that. I always thought it was Devlin who texted the request to Josh, and that Josh knew it was a message from Devlin. Am I missing something? I’ve kind of forgotten about Amy, and her part in any of this. I don’t think she’s had anything to do with this. It’s all been Devlin and Kimmy working Josh.

Kat

I know Andrew, right? Lol I’ve been waiting for Devlin to call for Josh to “clean up on aisle Kimmy,” but the wearing of the panties I did not see coming! Haha

Kat

Why Josh? Why would you let Devlin make you wear Kimmy’s panties? What I really don’t get is why Josh would agree to something so humiliating at the direction of Devlin. In Chapter 8, Kimmy asked him if he had been with Devlin the night before. Josh said to her, “I wouldn’t go to Devlin for the antidote to any poison. I’d rather die.” So, wouldn’t that include agreeing to wear Kimmy’s panties at Devlin’s request? I understand him letting/liking Kimmy humiliate him, but he hates Devlin beyond belief. Why would he let him control him like this? Kimmy’s total gaslighting of Josh just continues. Her lie about fucking Devlin in the Cayman because Josh gave her the idea. “I saw how bad you dreamed it. You made me think of it. You put it in my head to do it.” Please bitch! I really don’t think Kimmy has real love for Josh. She needs Josh, needs him there to dominate and control, but what she has for him is not love. She only tells him what she thinks will sound good to him. What will keep him tied to her. Her compassion to him here, in the middle of getting throughly fucked by his bully right in front of him, is not love. It’s not real compassion. It’s Kimmy doing what she feels she needs to do to get what she wants, and to be absolved of any blame or guilt. I don’t hate Kimmy, but I was hoping she would feel a little remorse for her actions. There’s no remorse there. I did enjoy it when Josh told her she was a fucking cunt, though. Lol

Kat

This might actually piss Kimmy off toward Devlin because she doesn't want to see Josh hurt!

Andrew Mellein

The first time Josh was forced to wear panties when he went to Devlin's because he wanted (needed) to see the rest of that picture of Kimmy. One of the requirements he was texted (from an unknown number) was to wear panties when he went to meet Devlin. When Josh showed him the proof that he was wearing them so Devlin would stop taunting him and just get the showing over with, Devlin was momentarily shocked at what Josh was wearing. The implication being that Devlin never sent the texts because he clearly didn't expect Josh to be wearing them. Given how mean and evil Amy is, and her penchant for hurting and demeaning Josh, I figured the obvious choice of texter was Amy. My point here is there's no such coercion going on. Devlin (or Amy) has nothing to hold over his head to force him to wear them, and while he might enjoy jerking off in them, wearing them was clearly never his thing. Which is why I say it feels forced. It's a way for Devlin to belittle Josh in front of Kimmy and reduce his value to her, but it doesn't really work (imo) because Devlin lacks the leverage to make it happen when Josh hates him so clearly and has zero desire to follow his directions, only Kimmy's.

L_S87

This was suppose to be Josh's game of bringing the three of them together to get some form of closure! But now it has dissolved away from Josh with Kimmy like a bully calling the shots and now Devlin has taken over. This is not going to end well!

Andrew Mellein

C'mon Josh man up! What was your secret plan! Wearing panties (LoL!)

Andrew Mellein

What was the panty thing with Amy again? I just remember Kimmys panties from Devlin's couch and Josh wore them to show Devlin. I think Kimmy is using her seductive bully tactics with Josh and it just might reel him in again. However I think comparing penis sizes and Devlin taunting him about the panties might reel him out of Kimmys sirens call and realize she was fucking his bully and then Josh will realize the gravity of the situation and then all bets are off! Who knows?

Andrew Mellein

Josh is struggling. Kimmy is like the ultimate black widow luring her prey. She truly is a first class bitch! Saying he wanted this all along, Kimmy is pretty much taunting him like a bully just like Devlin. I think he is wearing the panties as a condition to get Devlin in the room. With Devlin's taunts at the end I think things are going to go from bad to worse. I can now see Josh leaving the room! I now think this marriage and relationship is over even though Kimmy thinks things are just as good. We will see. I don't think it's Manus Dare territory yet. Josh is just being tempted to the dark side. We will see if he listens to conscious: slogs Devlin in the face and get the hell out of there!

Andrew Mellein

I'll be honest, the end of this chapter kills this a bit for me. I saw it coming several chapters ago because i knew KT wouldn't be able to resist finding a way to shoe horn it in, but for me it doesn't quite fit because the circumstances don't work. The whole panty thing worked when it was a deception by Amy that Devlin didn't know about and it was a stipulation, a requirement for something Josh needed, badly, in that moment. There's no such requirement here. This was going to happen, period, because everyone wanted it. Devlin had nothing to hold over Josh's head to coerce this, and Josh has shown in the past he's not the crossdressing type, nor the type to follow Devlin's whims. He'd do it if Kimmy asked, but not Devlin. It feels like an unneeded stretch to jam this in. That said, the dialogue here was great, and I love all of it. Hate Kimmy's awful manipulation, leaning on Josh's love and weakness to get her way, but she's SO masterful at it. There's almost nothing she couldn't sell Josh to maneuver him to where she wants him. I truly wonder how this ends given how conflicted Josh is.

L_S87

Omg KT! This story is killing me. One chapter at a time is never enough.

Kat

If he is wear those panties ..I am just done ..this will just fell into Manus Dare territory...if this is so ..I will vomit!!! He deserves everything coming to him if so..He would be the most pathetic character ever created. As good as the story has been ..KT you are a master....but this would be the worst thing ever! I really will be sick! This will be the Titanic sinking...period! Truly disappointed in Josh if he indeed has done this!!!

Mike Monroe

Wait! What? The fuck is happening??

Chris K