DITW 13-11: Divine Displeasure
Added 2024-03-02 21:32:05 +0000 UTCHe said, “You’re proud you turned me to violence?”
Kimmy licked her lower lip, and he watched her shining pink tongue retract, the motion such a sultry thing he imagined what he’d done turned her on in some way. She said, “A display of displeasure, Josh. An instruction from one man to another. One you could never show before because of the retribution, your fear of what he would do for revenge.”
Those words chilled him, and his arms and fingers prickled with a swift-encroaching dread. What he’d done wouldn’t pass unnoticed. He’d hit Devlin with a chair. Hit him in the head; marred his face. High school rules dictated an imposed punishment. Devlin couldn’t let that action go without reprisal. There was no way. Josh had humiliated Devlin in front of his girlfriend. His mind raced like it would in high school; hyper vigilance commanded his nervous system now and his breaths quickened, thinking of when it might happen, picturing Devlin and Rumble and some other familiar antagonists waiting for him outside his apartment right now, rubbing wet dog shit on his door handles as a mere appetizer for their savage feast. Angry young males ten times more a man than he was, eager to strip his weak flesh from brittle bone.
And with his cock plugged into his beautiful wife’s ass, it was like she’d read his mind, quarter-turning to the opposite side now, seeking his eyes for a connection and saying, “You were the man today, Josh. He was the boy. Don’t you see it? Devlin plays immature games, boys’ games. We’re adults, we’re playing adult games.”
“I don’t want to play any games anymore.”
She said, “You were the man today. You told me what you wanted. You knew what it was. You wanted me to save myself. You wanted us to be together.”
His head whipped to the side, trying to avoid her silky words, trying to avoid the polished truth she tried to poison him with.
“When it didn’t go how you wanted, you let Devlin know.”
He growled and fucked into her ass hard. She squeaked a sound of minimal discomfort. He said, “You humiliated me.”
And Kimmy said, “Don’t you want that? If you don’t, just tell me you don’t.”
“Of course I don’t want that. Why would I want that?”
“I don’t know how it works, Josh. But when you tell me what you want, I’ll make it happen. I’ll do anything for you.”
He bared his teeth and hid his face in her wet mane, psyche twisting with shame. He’d asked her to fuck Devlin today and if she did, he’d let her go from punishment, absolve her sins.
Had he ruined it? Just like she claimed Devlin had ruined it? Devlin had lured him away from his union with Kimmy, whispered provocative things in his ear and encouraged him away from the one who would keep him safe. He’d joined sides with the enemy, and allowed their enemy to turn his campaign against Kimmy like a weapon. Maybe, at one time, he would have to admit he really did want this to happen. But instead of working with Kimmy, he let Devlin show Kimmy’s lies to him in the most terrible light, and he ended up in a hotel room asking for the very thing she would have delivered him anyway—on her own time and in her own terms and for his benefit. He’d been Devlin’s unwitting pawn today.
Devlin had used him against Kimmy. Taken away his wife’s control of a game in which she sought not only his preservation, but his satisfaction as well.
But it wasn’t so simple, it wasn’t so clear to see, more like a murky shape in a fog, or lying in the grass and looking at clouds, making up images you could see inside them.
He said, “Why would you lead me along? Why wouldn’t you just tell me what you were doing? Why wouldn’t you be honest with me?”
“You know why.”
“Because you’re a liar.”
“Yes, because I’m a liar. I wanted to get away with it. I wanted to get away with what I’d done, and still make you happy.”
The answer irritated him. Bothered him. Frustrated him. He withdrew his cock from her and retreated, disgusted with her lies and her betrayal all over again. “You’re still lying,” he said, grabbing his face, rubbing his brow, hiding his eyes from the sight of her naked body. His cock still throbbed and ached to be returned to her tight scabbard. “Lying and dignifying the awful thing you did. You fucking cheated on me with Devlin Stone. You fucked him at Tiffany’s.” His hands snapped to his sides in fists. He was a half second from thumping the inset soap dish, wanting destruction, wanting his wife to know this wasn’t something she could smooth. The warps and bumps her actions had pushed into the smooth plain of their marriage could never be hidden. They would always stand out. “And for what? For a fuck with Devlin? You don’t even like him.”
“I don’t know why, Josh. I don’t know. But I hate what I did, I—”
“You’ve got to be fucking kidding me,” he said, reeling in disbelief, an insane tidal wave of hilarity rising up, his wife clinging to the flimsiest life preserver and committed to convincing the storming, endless sea nothing would drown her.
Her chin dipped, and she went silent, standing naked, nipples hard, water cascading around her head like a halo, rivulets streaming the curves and angles of her lean body. She lifted a hand to cup the spray and deflect it, run it down her breasts; not to entice him, but to keep the spray from his eyes. She said, “It was a mistake. I made a huge mistake and I’m telling you I don’t know why. I don’t know why I did it.”
“I failed you. You don’t love me. What is it?”
“You never failed me, Josh. And I love you. I love you more now than ever.”
Sharp retorts sizzled on his tongue, but he kept his mouth shut. She looked up now and there was something new in her black eyes he couldn’t recognize. And if it was something he thought he didn’t recognize, there was a chance it was honesty.
She dropped the hand and retrieved the soap from the dish he’d wanted to smash. She rubbed it between her leg hands, eyes now aside, her expression pensive. She lathered, then ran hands on her chest and arms and underarms. He watched the suds collect on her aroused nipples. She said, “I was a wreck. You know that.”
He didn’t have to speculate or ask for clarification. This spring had seen the end of all their fresh hopes of starting a family. He let her talk, still watching her hands soap herself, getting between her thighs now.
“We were so close. We had it. You know what I mean. We were right there. And then the next thing I knew, we had nothing. I didn’t want to go back to work. I made baskets in the house so I wouldn’t have to step outside. I didn’t want anyone to look at me, see me, talk to me. But I kept fighting. I made baskets because doing nothing would kill me.” Her hands stilled on either side of her taut navel, her eyes staring like they were seeing something bigger than anything in the shower with them. “Fighting with Devlin made me feel something. I betrayed you and maybe I told myself that was okay.”
“Okay how?”
Her eyes widened and right away he knew whatever it was she had in her mind, it was gargantuan and he wouldn’t want to hear it. It might be worse than her cheating with Devlin. She exhaled through her mouth, her lips stuck and puffing out. Then she sucked her lower lip, held it clamped under her teeth, stopping herself from speaking.
He said, “I failed you. I’m not a man. Just like Devlin said.”
Her expression was an honest portrayal of correction; he’d got it wrong, and she didn’t want him thinking that. He said, “What then? What is it?”
“I failed you.”
“Hey,” he said, taking her shoulders. “No, you didn’t. I don’t think that at all.”
“I know you don’t. But I did fail you. So, like, if I cheated it would be because I was mad at you, punishing you. Because you failed me.”
His hands slipped down her slippery arms and fell to his side. She touched his arms.
She acknowledged what he must be thinking. “It doesn’t make sense.”
“I don’t understand, Kimmy.”
“I know. I wanted to be mad at someone else so I could stop being mad at myself. I was the ultimate failure. All I wanted was to have your baby and live a life in a house, and...”
He sighed, and looked around, his rage deflated in the face of a tender and uncomfortable admission.
She said, “And then we’re at tiffany’s and this guy I dislike, who Amy taunted me with and leveraged against me, he’s arguing with me and my heart is pounding. Not with like affection or any kind of attraction, but it’s pumping. I hate this guy. I hate what he represents, I hate who he is. Fuck, Josh, I hate what he has. He doesn’t deserve it. He’s cocky, he’s arrogant, he looks down on people who are so much better than him. And he can get away with it. His dad owns a shipping company. He works there, he’s an executive, and he has no brain. And then he’s saying the most arrogant shit, and we start . . . I told you what happened.”
Cruelty crystallized in his mind’s eye; he could reject her paltry exegis, belittle her assuaging the ultimate weaponized betrayal. But he watched her, his new savvy assessing her body language and eyes for the lie. No more untruths would spin from those sultry lips that could convince him.
She was still lost in her confession and the way she spoke made him think she was realizing some of these things for the very first time. She said, “That Mercedes he shows up in. We’re in our sensible vehicle, showing the planet kindness. . . . We deserve the gifts. Not him.”
Her brow lowered, and her lips slimmed in a mask of real envy.
Then she shook her head, wriggled free from the clutches of her dark reverie, and looked at him. It was like she’d come out of hypnosis. Her eyes had changed.
She grabbed the bar of soap again and worked a new lather between her palms.
He said, “I don’t forgive you.”
Her hands stilled. “I don’t want forgiveness. You asked me why, and that’s the closest thing to it.”
“You weren’t going to run off with him, leave in that Mercedes you love? Weren’t going to move into his luxury apartment?”
Her hands resumed the lathering, then she returned to soap to the dish. She cupped his balls and gripped his shaft. He was still hard as steel, and the slipperiness on the end of his cock had his knees dipping and his vision whitening for a brief flash. But she wasn’t ignoring him or changing the subject. She said, “I want to wreck him, Josh. I want to ruin his life.”
Comments
I actually had never read Cayman Proxy. Any idea why it would have been banned?
CSH
2024-03-06 15:24:31 +0000 UTCRome was Kimmys weakest point since she was very frightened at that point. But Josh's strongest moment I feel was choosing to distance himself from Kimmy, being in the same city. I could be wrong, but was that the first independent choice he's made all series?
Chris K
2024-03-06 00:45:21 +0000 UTCGod, I love mixed metaphors, probably even more because in school they told us not to use them!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-06 00:36:49 +0000 UTCYes, she knew her well oiled plan was falling apart like a house of cards.
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-06 00:28:34 +0000 UTCMaybe you're right Chris, after all his relationship with Meyer is a strong support for her husband which she has no control over and there's Quinn who is a fresh eye on Kimmy's character. I interpreted it as her worrying Josh was off his leash and having unsupervised contact with Devlin. Both things can be right... they both point to Kimmy's insecurity. I suppose we'll find out in the fullness of time. Also she could be just plain jealous!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-06 00:23:54 +0000 UTCAndrew I think his going to Rome again must be making her uneasy now... she was really shaken by it. Frightened even!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-06 00:05:15 +0000 UTCThe fact that in his reverie Josh imagined Kimmy as being Devlin's high school girlfriend has really convinced me of how much his heart has hardened towards her... but also sadly how much this one day that is only now ending (maybe) undermined his own confidence... and worst of all HE ASKED FOR IT! I wish we had italics, I'm not shouting just trying to emphasize the fucking irony! He didn't just wish for the re-enactment of sins, he insisted on it! And it wasn't just his dick that got hard.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-05 23:57:55 +0000 UTCIndeed, Chris! That is one of the things that she said that made me begin to suspect she might not always be lying, that there might be nuggets of truth... she certainly kept insisting on it!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-05 23:34:34 +0000 UTCI agree, Andrew, that's what I meant by Josh not being an easy mark anymore. I may now have lived in Spain significantly longer than in England but 'litotes,' understatement is still along with irony one of my main fall backs. And as you imply we've got to do something while we wait for the pot to boil... because there's nothing truer than the old adage- a watched pot never boils!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-05 23:28:45 +0000 UTCKimmy always said she had a plan and for Josh to trust her. We still don't know what that plan was. All we know is it took a detour. Maybe she got Josh back where she wanted him? Who knows? Could be any one of those scenarios you listed.
Chris K
2024-03-05 23:21:55 +0000 UTCTrue, but that was a work trip and she knew he was leaving. He just sulked around the apartment for a few days before. Maybe going to Meyers was his strongest moment?
Chris K
2024-03-05 23:16:16 +0000 UTCThank you Karl, I still hope to be more cautious in future... but it's always good to appreciated... you yourself have certainly brought a fresh energy and personality to what is a flourishing debate...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-05 23:15:16 +0000 UTCExcept I don’t think Josh wants Kimmy anywhere near Devlin. I still want to know how her job situation is going to look the next morning? (If Josh is still with her) I don’t think Kimmy is going to con her hubby this time about remaining to work for Devlin. I hope the next chapter brings some of this to lite?
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-05 23:09:33 +0000 UTCHer truth is like a delirium or a riddle... it's a bit like Josh's tent dream at the beginning hazy and untrustworthy... And as for ruining Devlin, why exactly does Kimmy want to ruin him? For the good of mankind that would be unbelievably altruistic of her? Because of every piece of treachery unknown to Josh everybody has been enumerating, that it's to Kimmy's advantage they remain obscure... and it's a long tally of misdeeds? Isn't Amy her nemesis according to her own theory? Is it, as people believe, an attempt to get back into her husband's good graces through the enemy of my enemy is my ally cliché? But if she works together with Josh surely it will give him more possibility of coming across what she would prefer to keep hidden? Is she diabolically clever or does she just think she is? When she is actually clutching at straws and losing the plot... Of course, going undercover would mean getting close to Devlin again... she could easily convince herself it was a necessary 'sacrifice'... but Josh doesn't look like an easy mark anymore! There's even a chance she is just desperate... Or her and Devlin are playing a long game... or maybe there is more than one game... as Donkatsu has suggested. There are all these dark dusty corners throughout this very long narrative maybe filled with cobwebs... the waters are still muddied and the more we find out the more unsure I am of my own theories... someone is certainly doing some diabolical plotting... and we all know who it is.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-05 22:45:49 +0000 UTCExcept for a partial truth about why she did what she did!
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-05 21:27:18 +0000 UTCYes! She never says she directly conspired with Devlin. Josh just found that out through observing them in the hotel room! No telling about how Josh licked Devlin cum out of her pussy, the tape recorder and the aftermath sex, how they were trying to push Josh’s kink into allowing her to fuck Devlin. I actually think the strongest Josh has ever been was when he left Kimmy and went to Rome without her!
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-05 21:26:20 +0000 UTCSo far Kimmy has only answered the questions Josh is asking. She's not really revealing anything.
Chris K
2024-03-05 19:06:56 +0000 UTCI agree. Kimmy is on really thin ice. It’s hard to see Josh somehow submitting and accepting every humiliation from Kimmy, even if he’d accept his fantasies and would get his rocks off of the sort of things. Kimmys betrayal runs too deep. And it’s hard to see how ruining Devlin would work out for Kimmy. Sure a common enemy to being Josh closer to her but an enemy who knows Kimmys secrets, sans the baby, and an enemy who probably wouldn’t feel any guilt letting Kimmys secrets out and ruining Kimmy’s marriage. Only thing Devlins probably worried about is not getting to fuck Kimmy anymore.
Karl
2024-03-05 17:36:48 +0000 UTCSo far Kimmy revealed much of the truth to Josh. I think it’s funny she still hasn’t revealed much of the more painful things she did in her affair with Devlin to Josh. Like conspiring with Devlin for Josh to go down on her after Devlin cummed in her! I think if Josh heard the truth about that he would throw Kimmy out. Just little things like that would wreak whatever marriage they had. And it’s not even the baby drama. I still don’t think Josh is going to work with Kimmy to bring Devlin down. She betrayed him and lost his trust for the forseable future.
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-05 15:09:39 +0000 UTCIndeed! I think the sexual blackmail was a big reason for its ban. Also I think some of her other works got the ban including The Caymen Proxy but don’t hold me on that.
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-05 13:46:53 +0000 UTCThanks, I already read him. Some of his stuff is alright, but a bit formulaic for my taste... Honestly, though I have a backlog of over three hundred hold-in-your-hand wood pulp books... I dedicate most of my reading which, is normally very eclectic, to KT nowadays. The experience of witnessing (to some extent) the creation of a novel is unique and exciting, but I have always reread books like Moby Dick, the Iliad, the Odyssey, Elmore Leonard, Joyce Carol Oates, Toni Morrison and dozens more I read again and again, and new authors too, but my pace has slowed down. Though I have more time to read I perversely spend it thinking... and doing all the chores that the daily dissipation of the world entails. I suppose the unconsidered life isn't worth living... and having a child, though the best of loves, is giving a hostage to fate, that is never far from our minds...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-05 11:33:45 +0000 UTCKT did they give you a reason landlord is banned? Was it Reza and ethnicity? The sexual blackmail aspect? Poor Jonnie being forced into the cage? Most likely they gave you no reason at all. “Violating our terms of service” with no explanation. It is curious given a lot of the blatantly racist and violent stuff still on Amazon. I found those books to be a great combination of nasty realism and tongue in cheek satire. I will give you credit, you have taken some of the most worn out, and sometimes downright silly tropes of cuckold writing and actually made them work. My wife is cucking me with my high school bully! My landlord screws my wife for rent and put my dick in a cage! Taken on their face those are utterly absurd concepts. You actually made them work as realistic story lines. We each have our favorites i guess. Speaking of which I really miss Scream Queens which i thought had a very authentic feel to it and still had a threatening bite lurking in the plot line. As others have mentioned many of the rougher cuckold story authors have softened and gone the low angst hotwife route. I suspect thats mostly about money. I personally prefer a little actual cuckolding in my cuckold stories. I like it hot and spicy. That means conflict, real emotion, actual emotional dangers. The other stuff is just bland to me. I suspect some of the authors may be using, dare i say it, AI, to write the same thing again and again. Boring!
CSH
2024-03-05 07:11:50 +0000 UTCAgreed it’s odd they banned Landlord, especially when you read some of Tinto Selvaggios’ work which is readily available on Amazon, which I enjoy reading but some elements can be close to the bone at times with the many series involving his Richmond Coyle character.
NJ10
2024-03-05 06:12:54 +0000 UTCCould always try Peter G. Johnson. His stuff is as close to Learning Lessons as I've read.
Chris K
2024-03-05 05:37:18 +0000 UTCYeah, but that's an old Kenny Wright book, I expressed my self badly I also meant recently published, even Matthew Lee's recent books are less hardcore and angst provoking, though he's still got it. Could just be they're getting older or they feel the world is depressing enough... thanks be that KT can still create that harsh unease that gets the blood pumping. Also to give Matthew Lee his due one of his happy endings frequently involves bringing up some sadistic big dicked criminal or heartless business man's bastard offspring whilst worshipping the ground the feet of the insatiable whore wife treads upon. Annie's Affair was what got me interested in the nouveau vadge as I secretly call it... of which KT is the doyen! From the French nouveau vag... New Wave Sci Fi in the 60s.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-05 05:31:29 +0000 UTCI don't really see anybody here being a misogynist. Though the fact that women are treated as a 'minority' is proof that despite the self- congratulatory dialogue of the self-proclaimed enlightened West misogyny helps Capitalism increases its profits by exploiting the unpaid social support structure provided by women which is a cross our consciences bear... Now, back to demeaning women... particularly of the swotty, or swatty Asian persuasion.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-05 04:14:56 +0000 UTCAnnie's Affair is a good wittol story.
Chris K
2024-03-05 03:56:33 +0000 UTCSome yes and no. More like wife sharing than cuckolding. But some do know of the wife's infidelity and get off on it, without the wife knowing.
Chris K
2024-03-05 03:55:13 +0000 UTCWhat few hotwife books I've read recently... the hubbies or BFs all seem wittols rather than cuckolds. Is this a new fad... is it the influence of Amazon.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-05 03:38:06 +0000 UTC" then she returned to soap to the dish." Another error.. 'the' soap to the dish
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-05 03:17:50 +0000 UTCLoved... " They just want the tented pants and wet seats..."
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-05 02:41:47 +0000 UTC"he could reject her paltry 'exegis'..."Sorry KT only just noticed this error, should be "exegesis."
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-05 02:38:21 +0000 UTCThat's very true Bill. These characters she creates always feel real world flesh and blood. She's also not afraid to throw the real world consequences in the story either. Too many authors pass on the opportunity to really pull us in and get us to care, and get pissed or cry. They just want the tented pants and wet seats and on to the next!...
Chris K
2024-03-04 23:57:42 +0000 UTCKT routinely writes masterpieces and raises the bar for herself... and she doesn't let herself adopt a routine formula for her work... maybe it's because we're so close to the grindstone but some times it's like we can hear her think... how am I going to write this bit? When Dickens began he was a glorified hack... KT Morrison missed out that stage, as far as I know, and she really shows she loves writing even though it's not easy...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-04 23:48:39 +0000 UTCBTW I don't exempt myself from prejudices... the problem is they are evolutionary strategies, which have been turned into social norms that have been heaped on us for millennia. Even women have these very prejudices... when I took leave of absence to look after my 4 year old daughter, time after time some woman or other would quite seriously ask me what I would do now I was not working... I would reply with my typical tact and irony... I don't know... what the fuck is it women do? Perhaps they assumed I would employ Mary Poppins, which would kind've been counter to my intention of not being an absentee father... also I can't dance for shit!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-04 23:07:21 +0000 UTCI’m still shocked Amazon banned Landlord after all the disgusting stuff I read in other cuckold books I happened to give a whirl!
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-04 22:59:58 +0000 UTCI think Six Weeks could be a KT masterpiece! Indeed it has cuckold elements but it could easily revert to a hotwife novel but that’s for bk 3 to decide!
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-04 22:42:31 +0000 UTCIt was The Other Husband. Pure cheating with a garbage ending that left no lesson learned. I guess it's good for a quick porn dive?
Chris K
2024-03-04 21:45:09 +0000 UTCI’ve been reading tons of cuckold literature and the best thing ever was stumbling on KT’s books. I think the first I randomly picked up on Amazon was watching Natalie Cheat and it immediately had a tone that set it apart from what I had read earlier. DITW really blew my mind when I picked it up eventually. But Six Weeks has been peak KT and peak cuckold literature for me so far. Like you said, the realism and characters are lightyears away from other authors.
Karl
2024-03-04 21:44:23 +0000 UTCThanks Chris you’re a valued commentator. I l like your insight. Funny enough I was reading Mccurran a couple weeks ago. What book was it?🤣🤣 Her books are mainly hotwife stories but some almost draw the line at infidelity. I like KT stories better because they have realism and logic to the characters.
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-04 21:26:53 +0000 UTCBill, what I see is a man of passion and at least on my behalf your commentary is appreciated. I’m glad you guys worked it out. And I hope you keep pitching us your conversational curveballs in the future too Bill. Your views open up interesting talking points and offer angles at least I haven’t even thought about.
Karl
2024-03-04 21:17:19 +0000 UTCPS KT's description of those two dissociative, disconnected moments Kimmy went through in the latest chapter, that was what convinced me this was the catalyst for her new behaviour. They could belong to some other mental problem, of course, but Occam's Razor. Thank you every one for attending to my mentioning 'misogyny', like yourselves I think Kimmy bears the burden of proving she deserves Josh's, at the moment less than bountiful, affection. I am only trying to mitigate Kimmy's guilt because laying greater blame on the woman in an affair is a double standard, though at one point she was rolling in her sinfulness with all the bliss of a sow in shit looking for her lost pearls...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-04 20:58:39 +0000 UTCSorry, and I really do sympathize with what you went through, it was presumptuous of me to say what I did, though I did mean it rhetorically. I have had an 'interesting' life, and like to think I can grant other people the same dubious privilege. I'm really glad you are staying... and it was admirable that you bared yourself to explain your own reaction to my own self-indulgence. Sincerely, I am really sorry for being so callous!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-04 20:31:32 +0000 UTCI agree without reservation. Kimmy did claim to have done Josh a favour, and how did that night time visit to Devlin's place, when he was away, turn out?
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-04 20:10:23 +0000 UTCFirst off thanks all for support and thanks Bill for the apology. Now I'll give a little back story on myself to clear up my comment on trauma. Some time ago I was accused of rape by a women. I hadn't seen or talked to in over 3 years. She was pregnant and couldn't bother telling her family she didn't know who the father was, so she came after me. I know how it sounds and obviously there was a DNA test proven I didn't rape nor impregnate her at anytime. However it was extremely difficult for me to prove I wasn't a total monster, all because it was all too easy for this woman to claim false trauma to gain sympathy for her situation. With that sad song out of the way, is it really so wrong to suggest Kimmy came up with trauma as a last ditch effort to hook Josh? I don't think so. Not with other schemes she pulled off so far and the damage waiting in her wake. What really got me here is the immediate change of subject to "let's ruin him". Anyway, it was just a thought. I've decided to stay and support KT because I love her work, and I also tried reading a Kirsten Mccurran book last night and almost vomited. Lol. If I comment in the future and you want to prove me wrong I'm all for it, just don't tell I don't know what I'm talking about. I think that goes for all of us.
Chris K
2024-03-04 19:20:12 +0000 UTCI admit I lashed out at you because I was angry that you dismissed trauma as a mere subterfuge on the basis of time passed, I accept the blame... I am sorry for spoiing your enjoyment of this forum. I should have kept my mouth shut. You did not invite my comment. I don't want you to leave. In future I will not address others' opinions unless they invite me to. I was talking about an opinion not you. I hope others haven't felt I was lashing out at them. I will hold my tongue in case, the expressing of an opinion isn't worth offending the dignity of people I respect... and you are one of them Chris whether you know it or not. I apologise, for what it is worth, and am sorry that the manner in which I have expressed my opinions has caused you to consider leaving. It is clear you are widely appreciated... I am the bad apple.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-04 17:47:49 +0000 UTCYes, Kimmy has another form of trauma that she never elaborated on and that was being the best. You see it in the way she interacts with her sister and how they have a rivalry for having the best job and who will have a child first. That manifests when she’s working for Devlin and wanting to be powerful. Ultimately I don’t see why Josh would want to work with Kimmy to destroy Devlin. He no longer trusts her and he should be afraid that she would betray him again. So I think the next chapter is going to be interesting!
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-04 17:12:27 +0000 UTCLike I wrote in another comment chain about Devlins and everyones traumas and how our baggage affect all of our choices and how the responsibility of our actions are still ours to bare. All the participants, J, K & D are guilty of working based on their past and traumas. There are already so many good observations and remarks of the difference between Kimmys and Devlins actions and their consequnces, but I’d like to add that Kimmy’s actions are more severe because of her marriage to Josh. Sure Devlin should take responsibility of his immoral actions for seducing a married woman but he is not responsible of J&K’s marriage. Kimmy on the other hand is. Kimmy’s actions affect their marriage and the health of J&K’s relationship directly. So Kimmy has less leeway than Devlin.
Karl
2024-03-04 16:02:42 +0000 UTCWhile Kimmy tells Josh Devlin has no power over him and he needs to let go of HS, the reality may be more complicated. In an earlier book, Devlin mentioned his familiarity with Josh's boss. Josh, knows this, I believe. It is not difficult to imagine Devlin sabotaging Josh's career with a well-placed comment or two to that boss. Alternatively, he might work to get Josh sent off to a foreign assignment for a year or three. Johnny Rumble may not be stealing the jacket anymore, but others associated with Devlin might just steal his career or his domicile.
Donkatsu
2024-03-04 15:20:55 +0000 UTCYes! I think Devlin has his own trauma as well. You know his dad was unkind and unfatherly to him. I do want Kimmy and Devlin to pay a heavy price for their transgressions. As much as Kimmy is trying to sweep it under the rug in this chapter I feel like it’s not enough. After the 13 books of her being bad. But in her punishment, I do want her to get redemption. Just like she displayed however briefly to Josh in this chapter.
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-04 15:18:41 +0000 UTCYeah, I think that’s a good way to put it L_S87, we don’t really know Devlin beyond other’s perception of him, and there’s isn’t much in the way of redeemable qualities that we see. Kimmy at times has spoken somewhat favorably of him in her own head (another thing she probably won’t admit to herself now) but for the most part, he’s just portrayed as a dumb, meathead jock still living in high school (at best) or a manipulative demon bent on destruction (at worst). I think the reality of Devlin is somewhere in the middle, I’m not sure I see him as evil, and I’m not even sure he cares all that much about Josh and ruining his life. He just wants what he wants and is doing what he has to do to get it. The bullied (and I have plenty of knowledge of this from high school) always assume the bully is spending every waking moment figuring out new ways to humiliate them (we see this with Josh when he thinks of the chair throwing and all the ways Devlin is plotting revenge). But in reality, the bully probably doesn’t think much about you at all, except in those fleeting moments where they’re bullying you. It’s just something they don’t think much about otherwise. Generally, people grow up out of that, but sometimes you’re Devlin and no one teaches you the kind of lesson that makes you grow out of it. But Devlin is at least more honest and in touch with what he wants than either Kimmy or Josh are…which is probably why he’s been able to get both of them this far along. And it’s also probably why he doesn’t get much in the way of hatred from the readers. He is who he is, and we don’t expect much of him. In some ways, he’s really an empty vessel that both Kimmy and Josh are projecting their desires onto, and exists solely to project their character arcs forward.
JL23
2024-03-04 14:44:22 +0000 UTCWell said L_S87! That’s how I feel about Kimmy. She would easily be more sympathetic if she included Josh in her play. Instead she went behind his back. Also she still lies to Josh about Devlin and her wanting Devlin for herself. So she’s a complex character.
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-04 13:11:55 +0000 UTCChris, easy for me to say since I'm not the one having issues, but I would prefer you stayed around. All of us have something valuable to provide in discourse, or lacking that, monetary support for KT so she can keep doing what she, and we, love. There's always the block button if you find someone's words to be so egregious that you're done with them. That way the rest of us still get the benefit of your insight, whether we agree with it or not.
L_S87
2024-03-04 12:53:35 +0000 UTCBill, i posit that what you attribute to misogyny is actually a lack of caring due to the position of each respective character. No one likes Devlin. He's an unmitigated, narcissistic asshole. He's not redeemable. His only valuable quality, if you want to call it that, is that which Kimmy values most about him, his dick. He's easily dismissed. Plenty here want to see him fall, but the reality is that Kimmy, for all her faults, is right that Devlin only has the power that Josh cedes to him. Highschool was different, but now, most of Devlin's "power" comes from two places. Josh acquiescing his, and Kimmy providing a place for Devlin to exercise it from due to her working for him and sleeping with him. Ultimately, he can be dismissed by both Josh and us as neither of us has an emotional connection to this individual beyond thinking they are detestable. Kimmy on the other hand, we know her well. We see her initial struggle, we, or at least I, felt sorry for her and the position we found her in. She wasn't detestable. She was confused and making a series of poor decisions that she could still come back from. What we have from roughly book 4 or 5 on is someone who makes a conscious decision to become irredeemable. To become like Devlin because she enjoys it. To no longer feel guilty but instead chooses to embrace her awful behavior and finds reasons to rationalize it. So if she's becoming like Devlin, why does she get more hate than Devlin? Two reasons. We know her so much better than Devlin, because we constantly get her POV showing her horrible decision making and thoughts that underpin her deceptive manipulation of Josh. We know *why* she does some of the things she does, so it's easier to judge her instead of dismissing her. But the other reason, the main reason, is quite simple. For better or for worse, for richer or poorer, in sickness or health. She's a wretched woman who forewent all of these because she's selfish, manipulative and enjoys the power she gains from emotionally abusing Josh. It wasn't until the last couple of books that she had a epiphany and realized how much she stood to lose and changed, somewhat, her course. Hell, it took this last chapter to finally lose the manipulative half truths and get to the seed of her betrayal. She's been repentant on the outside while on the inside shown that she's only doing what she thinks she must to have her way. She loves Josh, but she loves herself more. So what may come off as one sided misogyny is, in my opinion, simply a character we feel much stronger about than Devlin, largely due to her position within Josh's life. Kimmy told Devlin not to hurt Josh. What did Devlin say? "Only you can do that, Kimmy." And asshole he may be, but right he was in that instance. Most people want Kimmy to get her comeuppance because instead of guarding Josh's heart with the power he gave her, she eschewed her responsibility for having such power and instead shredded it for her own benefit. I want Kimmy to redeem herself, but far be it from me to judge others for feeling she's irredeemable after 13 books of her showing poor judgment, poor character and a pension for destroying that which she purports to hold most dear. Trauma may be a reason for her actions, it is NOT an excuse for them. Ultimately, Kimmy will reap what she has sewn. It's up to her to determine whether she mitigates that with her actions or chooses to continue down the same path that lead us to this point.
L_S87
2024-03-04 12:32:27 +0000 UTCOh man, sry to hear that Chris. I hope you’ll come back some day. Your comments were appreciated at least from my part.
Karl
2024-03-03 23:20:27 +0000 UTCThanks Karl. My comments and opinions stop here. KT just lost a supporter due to Bills increasingly aggressive personal attacks on not just me but several others here.
Chris K
2024-03-03 23:15:49 +0000 UTCIt’s probably not my business, but, Bill and Chris, can we try to keep things positive and civil. You both have valid points, and opposing opinions keeps the conversation alive and brings up new view points. Let’s not stifle healthy argumentatuon by going too personal or aggressive, it can be discouraging and the more we have different commentors and opinions the merrier.
Karl
2024-03-03 22:18:17 +0000 UTCBill, If I understand your comment on double standards between Kimmy and Devlins behaviour correct, in my opinion there a different standards for Kimmy and Devlin. Devlins a single man, immoral yes, manipulative yes, evil yes, and in a grand cosmic scheme I hope karma will bite a huge chunk of his ass. But, in his adulterous relationship with Kimmy he has less responsibility than Kimmy. Kimmy as a married woman will carry a much more heavy burden for her choices, and those choices are hers, trauma or no trauma. Even Devlin has trauma, no one just grows up to be such an issufferable asshole without some issues, and clearly Devlins nonchalant flirting and pseudophilosophicalpsychological babblings are a cover for the real Devlin who could be a sad man who is afraid to be loved or whatever. Point is everyone has their baggage and act more or less under the influence of their past. Even Josh is guilty of that. And the double standard, Devling isn’t responsible for K&J’s marriage but Kimmy is on her behalf. That’s why Kimmy has less leeway on the matter. I don’t think Kimmy necessarily needs punishment but she needs to own up to her mistakes and if she wants to be the hotshot dominant power Kimmy, more power to her, but she needs to accept the responsibilities that come along with it and especially if she wants Josh submitting to her or if she wants to continue her fling with Devlin.
Karl
2024-03-03 22:07:04 +0000 UTCEveryone has opinions Bill. Nothing is one sided. You are the only one who lashes out at others for opinions you don't like. Like a Devlin in the comment section. Big talk, big walk, but...nothing at the same time.
Chris K
2024-03-03 21:56:19 +0000 UTCWhat gets on my nerves is the double standard. I think it is blatant and the only person to speak out against it apart from myself is Rocambole. There is a strong feeling that Kimmy should be punished for behaving like Devlin despite the fact that she became what she is through trauma and he got lucky on the social and evolutionary lottery. And the reason why Andrew can dismiss him from deserving punishment as much as her is because he is a cad so what can we expect. But don't get me wrong almost everyone here seems to display this prejudice, but Kimmy deserves all the inflictions that have befallen her, and more, because she is a woman and it is not befitting that she should behave like she does. Up until KT shoved our faces into the 'manhood' issue, the majority demeaned Josh (just as his wife did) because he didn't stand up to his bully, using the same sophistry that Devlin uses. Most now have revised their opinion (except for Josh himself) because he committed a violent 'manly' act... when I call Josh a coward it is an ethical concern not because he quite sensibly fears the superior strength or numbers of abusive humanity or the retribution of the 'bully' state's legal system which has a built in habit of favouring the upper classes and treating society's humbler members harshly (sometimes unto summary quasi legal execution)... I fear them too! I despise the neo-Victorian Political Correction which threatens one of our most vital rights, that of freedom of speech, and through it all the others... on the other hand I'm not too keen on the insidious survival of good ole fashioned prejudices like, to put it bluntly, misogyny. When will what in a marriage used to be known as, with dubious sincerity, 'the better half' be treated as equals... because we've got a long row to hoe!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-03 21:54:43 +0000 UTCThank you for your frank and open sharing of views... I will be sure not to bother you again... I wish I were as confident in my opinions as you are.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-03 21:19:34 +0000 UTCIn total agreement.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-03 21:12:06 +0000 UTCSure Bill. You win. Your incoherent ramblings are all that matter here. No room for others.
Chris K
2024-03-03 19:20:04 +0000 UTCSeriously Chris do you have any idea how trauma works or the time span of the events in this novel... your comment is a bit flippant... it's not just some cheap deus ex machina! Your reductionism is showing... I don't think it redeems but you are trivializing it to be able to maintain a view that makes you feel comfortable, or to better get your rocks off. If it's the former I hope you'll come to change your mind... if it's the latter then who am I to criticise you... I'm glad I don't live in a glass house!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-03 18:54:40 +0000 UTCAaaaah! yes now I get it! I definitely need to watch it again especially to see the two stars once more! The power of suggestion... never to be underestimated... as Goebbels made horrifyingly manifest!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-03 18:28:09 +0000 UTCCharles Boyer dims and raises the illumination level using the gas valves downstairs. He then tells Bergman she is crazy, the gas lights are not changing at all.
Donkatsu
2024-03-03 18:15:50 +0000 UTCThe way KT wrote this chapter gave us an insight (and a VISUAL of) into a metaphorical Jeckyll and Hyde transformation of the two Kimmys who KT apprised us of some time ago. I thought the visual side of it uncannily well done and few if any have remarked on it. This for me is the heart of this scene... the medium is the message... read it and weep O ye hard of heart. And there we see the potentiality of one Unity of Opposites...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-03 18:15:27 +0000 UTCIsn't the gas itself used to induce hallucination... It's been a long time since I saw it... perhaps it is a skillful melding of soundtrack that has stuck in my mind... I shall rewatch it... thank you for correcting my mistake. I think what you say is perceptive and not as bound to prejudice as some people still are. I see things from a slightly different angle, but I share most of your views and the way you expressed them... the medium is the message. A sadly forgotten approach which needs to applied more wholeheartedly to the web... "We get to see the wreckage close up and it bothers us." This is a very important observation, because some times I think we forget how much time has been telescoped in the two latest books, or should it be 'microscoped'. I like the old fashioned way telescopes were compressed or extended it's more part of the rise of the novel... sorry, I can't stop myself.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-03 18:02:50 +0000 UTCIn the movie, "Gaslight", drugs are not involved in Charles Boyer's campaign of planting lies and doubt in Ingrid Bergman's head to get hold of her aunt's jewels. Kimmy is still at it with Josh, albeit less blatantly and with a thicker veneer of truth to cover the lies. She wants the Mercedes whilst touting their tree-hugger Qashqai; the Louboutins while praising Birkenstock, and Glenmorangie 18 while praising Josh's resolution to stick with Molson. She wants Josh in the expensive suit, and she wants him to man up, a bit. After she engineers whatever corporate witchcraft she imagines can unseat Devlin, perhaps by schtupping the father Stone, she will need a real man around to be the father to her/their children. She hopes that man will be Josh. She wants what she thinks brains and hard work should have afforded her, all things that flowed to Devlin from birth. She blames her family trauma, the (sexual) fun deferred for studies, and that determinedly middling Josh for her not having what she deserves. That and Devlin's big cock, of course. Until she owns up to that one she will not convince a somewhat manned-up Josh, a point made by others here. To be fair to Kimmy, she is no different from many men who have used various subterfuges to gain what they want in love and life. We get to see the wreckage close up and it bothers us. There is a reason men use the phrase "starter wife".
Donkatsu
2024-03-03 16:49:33 +0000 UTCThanks Bill! Enjoy your commentary! We may have opposing viewpoints on the characters but I think we can both agree that KT is a heck of a writer!
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-03 16:38:21 +0000 UTCIt’s weird because this chapter starts with Kimmy pumping up Josh for being a man for attacking Devlin. Then halfway through you finally have Kimmy tell some real truth and admit what caused her to have the affair with Devlin. However, I noticed she lied in that truth by not admitting she was sexually attracted to Devlin. So Kimmy is a mysterious enigma. I do think Kimmy deserves some form of punishment. How that’s merited by KT ( Devlins bastard baby?) I don’t know? That’s why I am waiting for a chapter with her POV because that is going to tell us where her heads at: Does she feel remorse? Is she still in cahoots with Devlin waiting to lure Josh back in their twisted triangle? Is she done with Devlin? Does she know who the baby’s father is? Does she think her marriage is over? Because right now Josh’s head is all over the place
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-03 16:25:56 +0000 UTCAndrew, trauma or no trauma whatever we think Devlin deserves, Kimmy was right there laughing with him an plotting with him the whole way. I think she was well past her trauma when she had phone sex with her boyfriend laughing about how Josh ate a creampie. Trauma is just another card to play. The fuck me with your little dick thing didn't work, the apologies didn't work, and this may have explained things a little more, yet hardly redeemable.
Chris K
2024-03-03 16:04:50 +0000 UTCAnd yes Kimmy is a bad girl... but a good woman!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-03 16:02:06 +0000 UTCBut she was only doing what Devlin would do without hesitation to anyone who ever loved him... Thank you Andrew for not taking it personally. I knew I could rely on you... Also you just made me speculate could this be the reason why Amy has such a bug up her ass about Devlin... AND Kimmy... and EVEN cute little Josh who got so much attention from 'swoon' Devlin. Thank you as always, Andrew!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-03 15:59:04 +0000 UTCThis also warms the cockles of my heart...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-03 15:41:45 +0000 UTCHear! Hear!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-03 15:39:34 +0000 UTCNo, I think Devlin deserves punishment. Maybe my post in question was in artful I was writing it having not read the full chapter. However Kimmy is trying to hoist her portion of the blame off her to Devlin. It takes two to tango. I was broken up about Josh constantly telling Kimmy that Devlin is no good and she would agree and then the next chapter have sex with Devlin. So Josh’s faith, trust and love for her was constantly violated by her actions. However, this chapter proved there might be redemption for Kimmy as she finally admitted her mistakes to Josh. I actually think Kimmy is KT most complex and need I say it best character! Not my personal favorite but a character with a lot of layers.
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-03 15:10:29 +0000 UTCNicely put.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-03 14:14:44 +0000 UTCYou're 100% right, Kat. Kimmy deserves her comeuppance, but at what cost? If Josh didn't care, then her getting destroyed, figuratively, would be fine with him, and many of us as well. But Josh clearly does still care, so anything awful that happens to her will hurt him as well. Yes, he's pissed, but he's only pissed because he still has feelings, deep feelings, for this deceitful woman. The antithesis of love isn't hate, it's apathy. And Josh is far from apathetic when it comes to Kimmy. Which leaves him vulnerable to anything that may happen to her or that she may choose to do in pursuit of this "revenge".
L_S87
2024-03-03 13:11:31 +0000 UTCI think Kimmy wanting to "wreck" Devlin puts to bed the question of whether Kimmy is going to work in the morning...and now Josh's "steel" is all lubed up with Kimmy's fetching tight "scabbard" right before him.
Steve McCarty
2024-03-03 09:13:29 +0000 UTCShe looked up now and there was something new in her black eyes he couldn’t recognize. And if it was something he thought he didn’t recognize, there was a chance it was honesty. Love these lines. It’s brutal
Tracey52
2024-03-03 05:38:56 +0000 UTCI actually want to see Kimmy get redemption as well. Does not mean that the book wont have sexy scenes in it. Just a more reliance on Josh and Kimmy doing their thing together wherever that might lead.
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-03 05:24:28 +0000 UTCYep, I started feeling sympathy for Kimmy, too. She has a long way to go, but I’m tired of seeing Josh abused and hurt.
Kat
2024-03-03 04:56:28 +0000 UTCGreat dialogue in this chapter. I think Kimmy is probably being the most honest she’s ever been with Josh right here. Many of the things she’s said to him are things she’s referenced to herself in earlier books about her miscarriage, blaming Josh, etc. She’s tried everything else, and so far it’s only brought her unhappiness. She wants to be with Josh, so maybe a little honesty would work. Before all of this, Josh was her person, her best friend. Who else does she have to confide to? I don’t believe that this is the whole reason why she cheated with Devlin, though. She wants what Devlin has. She loves having sex with him. She has enjoyed being with him at times, even wanting to be seen in public on his arm in fancy places. She hates what being with him has done to her life. It’s lost her control of her life, lost her control of Josh. A lot of her hate towards Devlin is because of that. If he would have just played along, she could have had it all. Now thanks to him she may end up with nothing. I believe that she was in a really low place after her miscarriage, afraid to do anything but make baskets in their apartment. She’s at a high school reunion where everyone is talking about their successful lives, and what does she have to talk about? Her insecurities contributed to her affair with Devlin. Then he offers her a dream job, where she can be powerful and make a lot of money. His offer brought her out of the doldrums of her life. It gave her a purpose and excitement. After everything she went through, she resented Josh in some ways, and felt entitled to do whatever she wanted, as long as he never found out. She convinced herself that she was doing them both a favour working and sleeping with Devlin. Josh needed to toughen up and move past his old traumas. Kimmy used these things to excuse letting him go out with Devlin and his friends, all while knowing that Devlin was wearing “her scent” all over himself. She took so many chances, and loved the risk and excitement. I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I really hope Kimmy is serious about destroying Devlin. I’d much rather see that, than watching her humiliate Josh while fucking Devlin on the side. Kimmy should be paying a huge price for her sins, but that price would inevitably include more pain for Josh. As it stands now, there’s still the pregnancy reveal and Hyun affair to come. Kimmy’s not out of the woods yet. Her confessions to Josh actually made me have some sympathy for her.
Kat
2024-03-03 04:50:27 +0000 UTCYour right! After I read the chapter. I was happy she finally admitted to her mistakes and acknowledged that it was combination of her miscarriage, her dead end job and lack of communication with Josh that led her to her affair with Devlin. But she still said "why did you ruin it?" after Josh stormed out of the hotel to Devlin like the affair would have continued if Josh hadn't found the panties. So which Kimmy are we to believe? I want to believe the one in this chapter but I dont know?
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-03 04:20:30 +0000 UTCI thought the of meaning(s) of the title needed no explanation but after checking the Net I am tempted to ask KT if she has been researching Hindu law...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-03 03:10:49 +0000 UTCI do have one point since they got back from Cayman Kimmy has changed from being a bit of a nympho to a rabid apex sexual predator and now she's out for blood and a lot of it happened over the last few days... Everybody has been using the term gaslighting recently, in the original film and the TV series "Gaslit" drugs were involved and y'know Kimmy is pregnant...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-03 02:54:48 +0000 UTCI would like Kimmy to explain exact why she wants to raise Devlin to the ground and salt the earth on all his properties is it because he wanted to hurt Josh, or because he's a social parasite AND what was it she thinks she did that she thinks Josh will not forgive her for, because right now that is nugatory.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-03 02:21:49 +0000 UTCOf course, it does but if he thinks she belongs to Devlin in his memories of school why does he want her back, he's heard all of her inveigling and protestations of love. Yet he pictures her as belonging to Devlin the Bully scourge of his schooldays, what happened was she leased to him for marriage later? The psychological implications don't look good to me. If Kimmy wants Josh's love and affection back she's gonna have to focus on him and she's got other nasty fish to fry... AND she wants his help... probably to wring out her undies if she ever wears any nowadays! There are also other stumbling blocks he is as yet still unaware of. I'm still backing Kimmy, but if she's still after Josh's love she's making progress, but there's definitely a long way to go.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-03 01:47:50 +0000 UTCI think Kimmy is a sucker for the attraction of the conspicuous display of wealth and the undeserved influence it confers, she thinks it's sexy to look at and a seductive addition to her pheromones and her pumped up lust. I'm not sure the Waters will ever exist as they did before. When you seek vengeance, make two coffins! There may come to be a newer couple but Kimmy has changed Josh from a cynic to a pessimist. I'm sure he'll get his dick wet if he waits patiently but that probably isn't going to be a priority for him what with Ms. Wrath and Destruction Chang taking the reins.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-03 01:23:37 +0000 UTCSame here Andrew. It was such a spin form the previous chapters which were so filled with Josh’s anger and Kimmy’s manipulation. And now we saw a glimpse of vulnerable and humane Kimmy. Very well written by KT.
Karl
2024-03-03 01:17:54 +0000 UTCI believe that's how it started at the reunion. Everything else was her enjoyment. She did just ask Devlin like an hour ago "why did you ruin it?". I'm not yet convinced by her saying all that. She comes up with shit on the fly to change the narrative. At this point, we don't know where her thoughts or lies start and end. That's why we need to see them away from each other again.
Chris K
2024-03-03 01:10:24 +0000 UTCI actually felt a little sorry for Kimmy in this chapter. Even though she did a lot of cruel things to Josh and other people.
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-03 01:04:36 +0000 UTCAnd yet it fits! He dominates her in the sack and cuts her paycheck! She was so well trained, she defended him against Josh several times!
Chris K
2024-03-03 01:01:05 +0000 UTCI’ll amend myself after reading this chapter and say Kimmy does admit she screwed up and was not in a good place when she began her affair. So whether Josh wants revenge or reconciliation I guess that’s up to him.
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-03 01:00:32 +0000 UTCTo successfully get revenge on Devlin she will need her skills for 'cheatin', lying layin' and betraying. You'll be getting what you want... and so will I.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-03 00:54:42 +0000 UTCYes, now that I read the full chapter me too! Finally Kimmy acknowledges her mistakes. I knew the miscarriage, miscommunication, and dead end job helped played a part in her affair. The pregnancy however still looms large. I know Kimmy has doubts about who is the father is. Why not take paternity test using Josh’s or Delvin’s seamen. And if it is Devlins why not a make a quick trip to planned parenthood. But I guess she does not want to lie again to Josh.
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-03 00:49:41 +0000 UTCAnd that would be the ultimate corruption of all, and something similar to what Devlin wants (minus the whole him getting ruined part). Devlin has never wanted to take Kimmy away from Josh and marry her. And despite Josh's fears, it's clear Kimmy hasn't wanted that either. Through 12 1/2 books, her and Devlin's interactions have revolved around 3 things: sex, how to pull Josh into their sex games and whatever business deal they're working on. They don't have anything else in common, and I buy that Kimmy mostly hates him (though she isn't being honest on the things she likes about Devlin). What Devlin wants is for Kimmy to be so addicted to the sex and power that he can humiliate and subjugate Josh through it. Her eyes may be open to that and why she's thirsting for revenge, but he still may have succeeded in corrupting Kimmy to a point where it will cost her Josh.
JL23
2024-03-03 00:43:30 +0000 UTCI agree with your sum up!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-03 00:42:51 +0000 UTCI can't match or improve on everybody's insights. I'm feeling a bit redundant recently. So I'll just do another repass then get some shuteye... I hope Josh finally gets his gratification, though I'm not certain how much he merits it anymore after that gaffe about humiliating Devlin in front of his girlfriend...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-03 00:36:09 +0000 UTC"No more untruths would spin from those sultry lips that could convince him." “I don’t forgive you.” “I don’t want forgiveness." No kissing and making up just yet, It's a thin line between love and hate. I'm willing to bet it won't be long before Kimmy will be sluicing filth off her lithe treacherous body in a different shower. A great sample of the many facets of your talent KT... and every indication that the Waters are still very much bedevilled... a promise that there'll be more troublin' the Waters!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-03 00:21:23 +0000 UTCI won't disagree that Kimmy has done enough awful shit to deserve it, including all the manipulation over the last 3 or 4 chapters, but ultimately, I don't think Josh wants that. His compassion here showed that. He's pissed, but he doesn't want to destroy Kimmy. He wants his Kimmy back. Not this woman. Never going to get that. But he may be okay with a happy medium if Kimmy is willing to give that. Dont think she is, though. She's too addicted to this new version of herself. She might feel remorseful for the betrayal, but she has no interest in becoming basket maker Kimmy again.
L_S87
2024-03-03 00:12:14 +0000 UTCI think there's multiple layers to this. A lot of people would attribute "attraction" to some sort of relationship or love interest. I don't think Kimmy has either of those for Devlin. Kimmy's attraction is twofold. She's attracted to him physically. What he can do to her on a physical level, how he looks, his big dick. She's attracted to how he uses those things and how she feels when they're together. (Though there's a heavy correlation with Josh in those circumstances as well, and how being with Devlin makes her feel in relation to Josh. After all, half her enjoyment from the morning was Josh watching) Her second attraction is what he represents. His standing (that he doesn't deserve), his wealth, his gravitas. I believe her when she says he's despicable. What she doesn't say is she loves how she feels being included in his inner circle of power. Only, he can provide that. For now. That's why I feel like Andrew's observation, as CSH said, is SO astute. She wants Josh to be more like that. He'll never have the endowment Devlin does, but everything else? She thinks she can train him to get there. Which is more than a bit condescending and demeaning, yet fits with her attitude. Plus, she loves Josh. A confident Josh with a powerful position at work due to his new efforts in Rome who wears Devlin like suits and is willing to confidently state what he wants and express who he is? She'd take that man every time and twice on Sunday, because she loves him and she knows underneath that, he's still quiet, compassionate Josh, who, will always have her back, if she can fix this mess she made. Devlin, he's none of those things and never will be. Now... if she can convince Josh that the best way for him to be confident is to admit he wants her to fuck Devlin again and that it's all part of her plan to smooth things over with Devlin so "they" can ruin him at a later date....
L_S87
2024-03-02 23:57:20 +0000 UTCShe also had his hair cut exactly the same way as Devlin.
Chris K
2024-03-02 23:54:34 +0000 UTCShe said, “I want to wreck him, Josh. I want to ruin his life.” All that time cleansing herself with soapy hands and she announces a scapegoat that is a deserving target for her blame! Not a word of thanks for all those orgasms and all that spunk!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-02 23:53:34 +0000 UTCYeah, she kind of wants to BE Devlin. I don’t think that would be a pleasant outcome for Josh.
CSH
2024-03-02 23:46:13 +0000 UTCI don't know if anyone here hates Kimmy. Shes a hell of a character. But she has been taking what she wants since book 1. Having her fall flat and seeing how she handles those situations would be a very good read. Strip away all her BS, dress her in some clothes and see how powerful she thinks she is when everyone sees her for what she is.
Chris K
2024-03-02 23:45:44 +0000 UTCBrilliant how Josh withholds forgiveness, reluctant after having been bitten by a bitch!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-02 23:39:54 +0000 UTCAndrew thats a remarkable insight. That’s exactly what she has been doing, trying to make Josh more like Devlin. It did not occur to me till you said it just now. It fits perfectly with the opening line of this chapter as well.
CSH
2024-03-02 23:36:42 +0000 UTCYeah this all started with devlin saying "let's have fun Kimmy" "everyone plays around Kimmy". And she was just like "he he, ok." She is attracted to Devlin, making everything she says now meaningless. She's reeling. This story could do with Kimmy and Josh being seperate for 5 min, without her tugging his dick.
Chris K
2024-03-02 23:31:57 +0000 UTCKimmy says let’s ruin Devlin. But what about ruining Kimmy. After all Josh loved and trusted her! I think her part is more egregious. At least with Devlin you know he is a cad and a flim flam man!
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-02 23:28:57 +0000 UTCOn the spectrum of “Kimmy’s being totally honest” and “Kimmy is spewing utter BS and manipulation” this is as close to the former as she’s been in a while. And Josh senses that (though it’s DANGEROUS he thinks he can read Kimmy like a poker player now). I can buy the idea she’s coming to a lot of these realizations for the first time herself, and it’s why we’ve never heard her talk to herself about punishing Josh so she no longer would punish herself. I can also buy the thought that hating Devlin could draw her to him…hate is as powerful an emotion as love (as we’ve seen here) and getting thrown into something that makes you feel alive again is a hell of a drug. But as others said, she’s not being totally honest about her attraction to Devlin and what he represents. Josh picks up on it when he sees the envy in her eyes talking about the things Devlin has that he doesn’t deserve. It makes me think the struggle moving forward is Kimmy and Josh working through their likely different ideas of what it means to “destroy” Devlin. If that’s even what Kimmy wants (though if she’s gaming Josh here and still working with Devlin, she’s more evil than those who hate her here think she is - and I for the record don’t think she’s evil.). But in any event, for Kimmy she probably wants to “destroy” Devlin in order to take over what he has, where I don’t think Josh wants any part of that life. That could be a bigger stumbling block to their being together at the end of this than any of the big things she’s still withholding at this point. I almost feel like Josh could get past those, but I am not sure he’s going to want to be with the Kimmy that may exist at the end of whatever plot she has for Devlin.
JL23
2024-03-02 23:28:31 +0000 UTCExactly!
Chris K
2024-03-02 23:28:19 +0000 UTCYeah I think Josh is in love with his old image of Kimmy even though he is attracted to the new Kimmy. I think he’s afraid to let go. Josh needs to give Kimmy some payback and call up one of his female coworkers or Karina. Kimmy says let’s go after Devlin. Yeah sure, but let’s go after Kimmy as well who Josh loved and trusted.
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-02 23:27:10 +0000 UTC"instead of working with Kimmy, he let Devlin show Kimmy’s lies to him in the most terrible light" It is a pity, but it is true. So the lies were less iniquitous than they sounded.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-02 23:21:34 +0000 UTCHuh, never thought that Kimmy would be molding Josh to be Devlin. Clever thinking.
Karl
2024-03-02 23:20:12 +0000 UTCMaybe Kimmy's sexualized fears are manifested in Devlin, a sexual fantasy to escape her claimed feelings of failure. A way to escape and not process her feelings or go through the feelings with Josh, just give in to some guilty pleasure. Hence the desire she can't explain because she doesn't want to face her feelings of failure. That would suck though if Kimmy will open up to Josh, then her sexualization of Devlin would kind of run its course. We definitely need to see more Kimmy's views and what is going on in her mind. And I agree with the erotica, at least Josh would deserve some sweet erotic feelings for a change, the poor guy has been beaten badly for a while now.
Karl
2024-03-02 23:19:15 +0000 UTCYeah we already know through her POV that she is attracted to Devlin. That’s why she’s trying to dress Josh in suits and wants him to throw chairs and be a bully. Kimmy lies to herself.
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-02 23:17:55 +0000 UTC“I don’t want to play any games anymore.” Why didn't he just ask?! The more he accepted punishment the more it must have seemed to Kimmy that he deserved it, and the more her own guilt was eased. Specious reasoning but reasoning nonetheless!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-02 23:16:23 +0000 UTC“I know. I wanted to be mad at someone else so I could stop being mad at myself. I was the ultimate failure." Inverted logic of a trauma stunned mind.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-02 23:12:54 +0000 UTC"His head whipped to the side, trying to avoid her silky words, trying to avoid the polished truth she tried to poison him with." Is he still so afraid of Devlin and now of Kimmy. Was she right to accuse him of cowardice when he tried to throw her out earlier on?
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-02 23:11:11 +0000 UTC"O let me not be mad..." She lost a child from her body and her hope of a fulfilled life. It's not an excuse for what she has done but it merits some sympathy from a man who cannot feel that loss in that self same way. I remember in one of the first books how she rebuked herself for laying blame on Josh.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-02 22:50:19 +0000 UTCThe total change of her "voice" reveals the depth of her disturbance and how twistedly she turned the world upside down to blame her guilt on Josh. Laying her grief on his 'scant' lap by cheating on him with the enemy.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-02 22:49:10 +0000 UTCJosh's life was already ruined. If he chooses to stay with Kimmy so be it. But they are both holding on to love they had, which is a different kind of love now. I want to see kimmy exposed for who and what she is, by others and not just Josh. They can start a new life, but the old one is gone.
Chris K
2024-03-02 22:43:25 +0000 UTCKimmy either doesn't know or can’t admit why she is attracted to Devlin. Her constant denial that she is not attracted to him is a blatant lie. This late in the day that’s rather odd. It would be more convincing to me if she was able to tell Josh why she was always fucking Devlin. I also don't mind the revenge plot turn but i hope it doesn't close off Kimmy screwing Devlin which it seems to me is still at the heart of the series. In fact, her unwillingness to admit that she really desires Devlin at some level, makes it likely she will keep screwing him. I expect going after Devlin will take up a lot of space but I really hope this doesn't stop being an erotic series.
CSH
2024-03-02 22:40:00 +0000 UTCI feel like Jim Carrey from Liar, Liar is apropos. "And the truth shall set you free!" All the lies, all the weaponized half truths... for these last few chapters it's gotten her nowhere. And then she finally opens up and shares her truth, about herself, for herself, and just that little dab is all it took for Josh to show some compassion. Because awful and manipulative as she is, she's right. Josh took the reins today because he wanted the truth because deep inside he wanted to give her an out. And just like Devlin ruined the "perfect" cheating affair that Kimmy was having, he ruined this too. I won't say Josh betrayed Kimmy, she betrayed him and this path was the consequence, but Josh did betray himself by putting the solution to his dilemma in the hands of someone even more untrustworthy than his wife. And he finally sees the truth because she gave it to him. She wanted to punish Josh because that was easier than accepting the truth, and when punishing Josh ended up feeling SO good, she became addicted to it. Everything Devlin made her feel, the lust, the wickedness, the exhilaration. She couldn't let it go. Josh's kinks just played into it and made it worse. While not explicitly stated, this was an admission of just how selfish she had become. Ultimately I think that's why Josh says he doesn't forgive her. He finally showed some softness, but he's nowhere near the point of acceptance. I think he only gets there when she cuts the manipulative bullshit and simply gives him the truth every time he needs it, with no ulterior motive attached. A stretch for Kimmy, because its something she's horrible at. The last bit *really* has me ramped up. I cant wait to see what happens. Although I think its a bold strategy to say she doesn't want Josh's forgiveness when that's clearly a lie given her efforts for the last few chapters. Makes the statement she wants to ruin Devlin feel manipulative as well. Like she's saying that for Josh to wrangle him into a new partnership, just as some of us have speculated she might. Of course, the two big elephants in the room are the pregnancy and Hyun. Neither of which she has divulged. Not that I blame her. Josh says I don't forgive you? Adding either of those bombshells makes that feeling exponentially worse.
L_S87
2024-03-02 22:38:31 +0000 UTC"Josh had humiliated Devlin in front of his girlfriend." Kimmy is inarticulately trying to confess her betrayal of Josh to him but will he ever be able to explain this, his betrayal of her, his portrayal of her as his bully's property. Touché KT!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-02 22:38:02 +0000 UTCDang! It’s still from Josh’s POV. I want to see Kimmys POV because that is going to tell us a lot of her motivations. I don’t trust her as a reader and Josh shouldn’t either. She has burnt too many bridges. I am still shocked she still is in the house with Josh. Her words are like a siren she has him partially wrapped around her finger. Josh should keep packing her shit up!
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-02 22:37:12 +0000 UTCThe fact that she's doing what she's doing points out that she's not in a good place to begin with or happy with herself. I feel that it's just that Kimmy reacts to things in a very different way than Josh. She hides her pain behind control and dominance, while Josh shuts down, runs away, and submits. Which makes the hurting look one-sided. She's still an asshole who has betrayed and manipulated Josh, nothing can defend her from that. Her choices are pointing in the direction of destruction, so we might see her ruined. The difficult part is that if Kimmy's life gets ruined, so does Josh's.
Karl
2024-03-02 22:21:12 +0000 UTCCan't wait until we get deeper into the reasons behind Tiffany's. This is a good start, wish we get Kimmy opening to Josh in future chapters, even though Kimmy's not the most reliable source of information.
Karl
2024-03-02 22:13:59 +0000 UTCThat's just Kimmys new gimmick to wrap Josh around her leg hands
Karl
2024-03-02 22:07:33 +0000 UTCI hope there is still room in this story to have Kimmys life ruined as well. At least a call to reality. It's all pretty one sided so far.
Chris K
2024-03-02 22:06:28 +0000 UTCAnd then we were at tiffany's Capital T
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-02 21:57:03 +0000 UTC"She rubbed it between her leg hands There's something wrong between those last two words..
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-02 21:55:45 +0000 UTCOh man, I was all pumped up in Joshs angst and self pity to hate Kimmy and now… damn, I don’t know anything anymore. The hopeless romantic in me wants this to be the turning point where J & K start to heal. At least before K drops her pregnancy and Hyun bombs.. Josh still seems quite reserved though, which he should. This is so exciting.
Karl
2024-03-02 21:47:55 +0000 UTC