DITW 13-14: Gurgling In Black Mud
Added 2024-03-16 17:22:32 +0000 UTCKimmy came out of their apartment dressed for work, seven o’clock in the morning. Josh sat in the Qashqai and watched, hoping she wouldn’t see him parked on the street running along the front of their apartment building. It would be a terrible start to the already awful morning. But Kimmy didn’t see him, strutting stone-faced to her Leaf and unlocking it with the fob. He waited for her to get it started and pull out of the lot, head the opposite way from him, off to hit the 401 and get into work. Get to work for Devlin Stone.
He watched her dot on his Find My Phone, seeing her loop the clover leaf and get on the highway before he pulled into the parking lot and went up to their apartment. Last night he’d gone and booked a room at the Best Western on his credit card.
What was Kimmy thinking, walking to her car this early morning? Her face had been unreadable. What had he expected? Had he expected her to stumble her way to the car, perhaps fall against it for a moment before gathering herself? Maybe he’d expected her not to go at all.
And that was it. The most satisfactory answer. That’s what he wanted. He wanted his wife to sacrifice this job she loved for the sake of their marriage.
Wasn’t their marriage worth it?
But no, he watched his wife get up the next morning after the tragic end to their marriage (I mean, wasn’t it?) get dressed and made up and get in her car and drive to work for the man who’d slayed them. Who’d taken his mighty ten-inch battle-axe and cleaved their union in two.
Pregnant.
Pregnant, he thought, getting under the shower stream. Just yesterday he’d fucked Kimmy in here. Put his dick in her ass even though she’d shown him the worst things that had gone on behind his back this summer.
Done it because you asked her to.
Yeah, but so what?
What did you think it would look like?
None of it mattered. Kimmy was pregnant. Kimmy was pregnant, and, yeah, it would most likely be his baby.
This was what he’d thought, up all night staring at the ceiling of the Best Western’s hundred-thirty dollar a night room. Kimmy was pregnant with his child. They should be celebrating.
But what?
Kimmy had let a demon into their marriage. She’d betrayed them. She’d ruined them with her lust and her betrayal. Yes, somehow, he’d sexualized the betrayal, but that wasn’t his own doing. Forces had worked together to make that happen. Had worked behind the scenes to mold his thinking into that awful shape. That was the somehow. It wasn’t a mystery.
And yet, alone in that bed last night in the sterile hotel room, all he could think was that he might be a father. As much as he’d like to offload the responsibility to others, the thinking was his. Maybe they’d pointed him in the direction, but he’d taken the steps. He’d even encouraged it.
He might be a father.
If the baby wasn’t his, Kimmy and her devil offspring could go fuck off into the mountains and never come back. But what if he was a father?
The how of their marital repair eluded him. It would elude anyone. How would one come back to a marriage after such devastation?
With his hands spread on the tiled wall below the shower head, he let the spray cascade over his back and neck. Eyes shut tight, he could picture a perfect baby. A beautiful creation wailing at the surprise dawning of a mortal existence, looking for love, looking for care. A product of his own loins and a product of the woman he loved. And who swore still loved him. Birthed from her canal.
A deep canal where a man whom he hated had stuck his oversized hose and irrigated Kimmy’s fields with his healthy fertilizer.
The hands on the wall turned to fists, and he beat a wet and angry rhythm.
What should be the grandest elation he’d allowed to pervert into the starkest betrayal.
It was Devlin. It was Amy. . . . It was Kimmy.
But it was him, too.
In the closet now, he began to dress for work. Kimmy had taken the suit she’d bought him and hung it back up again. Did she care for him, or care for the degeneracy the suit stood for?
He’d spent last night at a motel because he didn’t want to go to Meyer’s in the state he was in. What had happened between him and Kimmy was too big to even understand. If he couldn’t understand it, how could he sit with Meyer and try to talk it out without revealing the grandest shame a man could endure? And he’d walked into it willingly. Had set himself up for such a devastation.
Later, combing his hair in the mirror, he realized despite his wifely condemnation, he was going to work, too. He’d condemned Kimmy, but here he was, sneaking into his own apartment so he could get showered and ready for work.
His reflection showed a stark image; a man with dark eyes and hollowed cheeks; a shell, ready to crack.
But there were things he knew; things that gleamed in the rubble of their marital rubble. Kimmy would have to earn her way back. He couldn’t crawl to her. She would never respect him again—and she shouldn’t.
Kimmy would have to prove her devotion.
But what if she was pregnant with your own perfect little baby?
Nothing mattered but Kimmy’s return.
But with an unfortunate meeting of his own gaze in the mirror, he envisioned Kimmy and Devlin together and the baby was theirs, and Kimmy looked in Devlin’s black eyes, and though he tried as hard as he could to fight a monstrous surge of bereavement, he couldn’t stop the tears.
* * *
Tami presented her with missed messages as soon as she got in to the office. “Mr. Stone wants to meet with you and his lawyer.”
“Devlin?”
Tami said, “No. Stone senior. He’d like to know when you’re available.”
Kimmy shook her head. “Not this week. What else?”
Tami said, “Mr. Stone—I mean Devlin. He said he wants to see you at lunch.”
“Okay. Where?”
Tami looked up, unsure. “He said you’d know where.”
* * *
She waited till after noon just so Devlin would worry how he mattered. He was in his apartment, two cocktails ready.
She said, “I can’t, I have to go back to work.”
Devlin said, “Boss says you can take the afternoon off.”
Kimmy threw her bag to the couch and lifted her head, arched her back, showing great poise. There was a delightful unsureness Devlin tried to conceal from her. It showed in his posture and the ingratiating display of having prepared drinks for her arrival. The last time they'd been together, reality showed Devlin the error of his ways; Josh had launched a chair at him and there was nothing Devlin could do about it. Though Devlin would never admit it outright, his path, his machinations, had crumbled, had not only shown his mistakes to her, had shamed him. He wanted it to go without acknowledgment, wanted to maintain the facade, keep pretending they were enjoined in a scheme and that he had all the say. His father owned the company, after all.
Devlin brought both glasses over to the low table, set them down and sat beside her, looking at her. She said nothing.
He said, “Are you going to keep me in suspense?”
She looked his way, bored, uninspired. “About what?”
Devlin smirked, then assumed an expression like hers, leaning forward and retrieving his whisky drink, sipping it.
She said, “How’s you eye? You’re wearing makeup?”
Devlin set his drink down and sat back again, hooking his arm over the couch’s seat back, his hand near her face. He steadied his eyes on her. “You’re toying with me,” he said.
She raised her chin, examined his face. “That’s a good match with your skin tone. I can still see you have a black eye, though.”
“Playful and bitchy,” Devlin said, then chuckled, looking across the room. His eyes returned to hers. “I think that means you have good news for me.”
She said, “Did you learn your lesson?”
“If I tell you I did, do I get a treat?”
“Tell me and find out,” she said.
Devlin rubbed his chin, breathing in a long, relaxed drag, scrutinizing her with narrowed eyes. “Why don’t you tell me what you want? Let me know how you would play this game?”
“You make it sound like it’s a mystery. Like I didn’t tell you to leave Josh to me.”
Devlin’s lips pursed, and he looked away.
She said to the side of his face, “Are you still fucking Amy?”
He regarded her like it was a crazy question. “No.”
“You’re playing games with me.”
“I’m not,” he said.
She said, “I see how you play games, and I see how they end up. If you play games with me, you will regret it.”
Devlin nodded, looking down, trying to maintain some masculine composure even though she treated him like a scolded child. “Amy might have fucked with Josh. Amy doesn’t like him.”
“Might have?”
He met her eyes. “No, she did. I didn’t ask her to.”
“What did she do?”
“I mean, she’s in England. All she did was send him some texts.”
“For your benefit?”
“I did not ask her to do any of it.”
“Then why would she if you’re not fucking her?”
Devlin looked up, amused. “I’d say she would like for that to be the case.”
“That you were fucking her?”
“But I’m not,” he assured her.
“It’s hard when she’s so far away, I suppose.” She kept her eyes on him.
Devlin said, “Even when she’s here, it’s not like that. Not for a long, long time.”
“She can’t just stop thinking about you,” she said.
Devlin chuckled, raising an eyebrow. “Jealous?”
She didn’t smile. “Do I look jealous?”
In an obvious effort to appear more honest, Devlin shifted where he sat, speaking with his hands moving in earnest gestures. “I didn’t ask Amy to do anything. I talk to Amy, I tell Amy what’s going on, and Amy does crazy shit. She’s a loose cannon.”
“You had no idea? . . . I know you did. You’re just bragging to your old psycho friend who hates Josh, telling her all the crazy mean shit you’re doing.”
Devlin stared at her and she knew what he was thinking: he wasn’t doing it alone.
She said, “You’re a liability.”
He nodded, shrugged a shoulder. “I won’t talk to her anymore.”
She shook her head, eyes narrowed. “How can I trust you? When you do something so stupid like talking to Amy, when you go and make moves behind my back? . . . How could I ever trust you?”
Devlin didn’t know what to say, his mouth moving around, brow low and mean, wanting to fight back, defend himself, but they both knew he had nothing.
“They were supposed to work out, weren’t they? Isn’t that it? You expected different results?”
Now Devlin’s eyebrows rose, and he looked at her with arrogant charm; still the methods of the spoiled schoolboy.
She said to him amused but plainly: “You failed.”
Devlin rolled his eyes but couldn’t deny it.
She said, “You think you’re so great, and you don’t realize I just watched you brag and grandstand your way into showing me the goofiest air ball in history. That’s what it’s called, right? Like not off the post or the rim, but like not even close.”
Devlin backed away, unamused, smile gone. His eyes darted around the room, his brain parsing all the things he wanted to say and all the things he couldn’t say and trying to find something.
She put on pressure. “Well?”
He said, “I think I hit the rim.”
She chuckled and shook her head. “I’m not impressed by men who hit the rim.”
Devlin’s irritation was restrained, yet still plain to see. He fidgeted, assumed all the mannerisms of a man who didn’t know when he was beat. She waited him out, waited for the tics and aggravation to pass, and he at last faced her, calmed, but eyes still dark and angry. He said, “So what now?”
She crossed her legs, leaned closer, the two of them half-facing on the couch. Her hand went on his knee, then stroked higher to mid-thigh. She had his attention.
She said, “You betrayed me. Caused me harm.”
“I didn’t betray you,” he said, eyes turned down to her hand moving higher now.
“You caused me harm.”
Devlin was silent, eyes still watching her hand as it rested at the seam of his thigh and hip, the heft of his large genitals pushing against her purlicue.
She said, “Do you deny it?”
“I . . . It’s not what I wanted.”
Her hand moved again, now going to his fly, searching out the tab and tugging it open in four tries. She slipped her hand inside and found his unshielded flesh growing turgid. She played fingers over his balls, found his cock head and teased it before taking his penis out and letting it hang from the open fly.
“But that’s what happened,” she said, petting his manhood, smiling at him.
Comments
Kimmy held Josh’s heart in her hands and she tore it to pieces! She also had a commitment to Josh. If she didn’t value that she could have told him and ended their marriage. At the least she could have been a hot wife and I think Josh wouldn’t have minded. But she did everything behind his back and lied about it. And harnessed his kink for her badness. She is ultimately a anti-heroine!
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-19 20:24:58 +0000 UTCLet me see if I can frame this in a different context to make it easier to see why many are so down on Kimmy and yet give Devlin a pass (which, btw, isn't true, I'll explain at the end) Imagine you share a locker with your best highschool friend. You guys do just about everything together except you play different sports. But you have the same classes, you eat lunch together, you visit his house after school or he yours most every day. Now imagine this best friend is on the football team with a guy who bullies you all the time. Your friend tells him to stop, but he doesn't actually do anything to stop it, just tells you to ignore it. Buck up, get stronger. But your friend also doesn't actively help this bully, you mostly work to avoid him. The one day, you notice a bunch of your stuff is missing from the locker you guys share. You ask your friend and he lies, saying he doesn't know. No one knows. It's just gone. A few weeks later, your bully shows up with one of the missing items, taunting you with it. Then he tells you your friend sold you out, he gave your bully access to your shared locker so he could steal something that wasn't his. You confront your friend about this. At first he lies. Then he finally fesses up. Who are you going to be more pissed off at? The bully for being himself, the asshole you've always known him to be, or your friend, who broke your trust and lied to you about it? Who's actions are going to hurt you more on an emotional level? See, here's the thing about Devlin. Our lack of constantly condemning him should not be taken as affirmation that his actions are okay or that we hold him in higher esteem. We simply just don't care as much about him because he is what he is, an irredeemable asshole with a big dick. We don't get his POV to understand his intentions, nor do we have books worth of material to build up a rapport with him. He's a dingy man in a grey suit who sits in the background waiting to be called on stage before he disappears again once the asshole quota for the book is met. I don't see him as less bad than Kimmy, I'm merely indifferent to his plight as a character because I just don't care. He's not worth caring about. He could disappear tomorrow and no one would give a shit except Kimmy because she'd miss his big dick. And that's about all he's worth. We don't harp on Kimmy out of malice or misogyny. We do so because we have a connection with her we don't with Devlin. We're not indifferent to her as a person. She also holds a unique place in Josh's world. One that Devlin doesn't hold. Devlin was a distant memory for Josh until Kimmy made a decision that brought him front and center. See, Kimmy holds a place of power in Josh's world that Devlin does not. A place of love and adoration. That place of power comes with responsibilities. Ones that Kimmy eschewed with her decisions. We harp on Kimmy because at the end of the day, she opened up the locker of her marriage to a bully, and she did it of her own volition. The opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference. I'm indifferent to Devlin because I don't care about him as an individual. I care very much about Kimmy, and that's why she gets tough love, hate and many other things from me. The instant I stop commenting on her decisions is when I write her off the same way I've written off Devlin as being a worthless individual.
L_S87
2024-03-19 20:04:47 +0000 UTCI agree Bill! I want to know if Kimmy will have anything left when all this is done! Can Josh say I love you to Kimmy at the end! That’s what what I want to know when this ends.
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-19 04:38:48 +0000 UTCI think the best thing KT ever wrote for my money was in Landlord! After Charlie and Johnny get into their argument after Charlie sucked Tate off and begged Reza to fuck her. And then Charlie storms out of the apartment and then Johnny is heartbroken. And then Charlie comes back and apologies and then Johnny apologies. And they both say I love you. I cry every time I read that chapter (LOL!) To me that's fucking true love! I hope KT gives them a HEA! No out of wedlock kids of Reza's for Charlie. I think that couple has been through enough trauma. I actually feel bad for Johnny even though he stole that money because he gets shit on the entire book. Making Charlie essentially a sex slave and having his cock in a cage! I actually only want one more book and want Johnny to actually become a multi millionaire and Reza has to go to Jail. I think this series is the best!
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-19 03:57:23 +0000 UTCTrue. He has blown him off 3 times now, thinking he's small time. Might be a big problem for them both! 🤔
Chris K
2024-03-19 03:55:25 +0000 UTCOh, I do think that the contempt Devlin has been showing for that client is gonna have blowback. That degree of disdain is tempting fate... May just be comical relief... who knows?
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-19 03:40:20 +0000 UTCYou already seem to suspect things I do... the only thing I will add is people don't just move their money to tax havens to avoid paying taxes... the rest is speculation which is too shaky and 'what iffy' to say out loud...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-19 03:33:12 +0000 UTCAny theories on the dad and the lawyer? Because I have no idea. Anything illegal with the shipping container or the man they keep blowing off for meetings?
Chris K
2024-03-19 03:21:15 +0000 UTCI'll still be here 'liking' what I like... and commenting on the progress of the story...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-19 03:14:07 +0000 UTC"Even if Kimmy does play the hero and pulls it off, will she have anything to go back to? Does she deserve it? That's the most enticing part of the story for me anyway." We both agree on that which is what matters.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-19 03:07:12 +0000 UTCWhen KT finishes the book the dichotomy will be something to talk about... certainly Kimmy is amazing because I am reading this book for the same reason the rest of you are... a lot of what you say is perceptive but you really have no more idea of why I admire her, than I have of why you all focus on the aspects of the story in the way you do... No judgement... chacun à son goût. Let's agree to differ!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-19 03:03:08 +0000 UTCI think I'll just wait and see how KT finishes the book that is all that matters to me. I'll try not to interfere with your own enjoyment of the book.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-19 02:36:12 +0000 UTCDoes it really hurt her? Who knows? Like you said there is more we don't know. Is she really remorseful and sorry, or is it an act? I'm not fully convinced myself. But that's why I love this story, the anticipation...and the not knowing
Chris K
2024-03-19 02:31:05 +0000 UTCYou nailed it again L_S87! I want to like Kimmy. i think she is smoking hot from KT's images. The last couple chapters I felt sorry for her and wanted her to make her marriage work. But she is KT's ultimate anti-heroine! Like you said L_S87 she has to do bad things behind Josh's back or their is ultimately no story. She like a modern day Madame Bovary but more complex. The last couple of chapters like some here threw me for a loop because I thought she hated Devlin and was going to move on from her infidelity and try to fight for Josh. I think she wants to keep playing with Devlin but on her own terms. Which is the opposite of saving her marriage to Josh. As for Devlin he's a piece of shit and has always been. I hope he does get his like Josh said. Maybe he gets in a car accident and they have to amputate his big dick! Karma! How many more books does anyone think are left in the pipeline? I am surprised we haven't seen Hyun! I for sure thought we were going to run into her before running back into loathsome Devlin.
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-19 02:20:40 +0000 UTCAnd for me, and as you know I agree about the orgasms, but everything you say about what she is actually already losing hurts her too! So I suspect there's more to it than a selfish bitch who is addicted to wealth and privilege... I no more want revenge on Devlin than I do Kimmy... but if horrible things happened to him I would view it with the same indifference as he views the suffering of others.., Sorry, no, he delights in the suffering of others I do not. You say you judge Kimmy because she hurts other people, but Devlin who habitually does it you pass on... I honestly don't understand it, if he was married would it make any difference?
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-19 02:20:24 +0000 UTCAbsolutely agree L_S87. I also happen to like Kimmy just the way she is. The story wouldn't be what it is if she were any different. But with right and wrong, the blame for everything in this series falls squarely on Kimmys shoulders. She was not only a recipient but a facilitater of all we have read so far. Devlin simply hung his dick and money out and Kimmy took and kept taking. I personally don't think Devlin did anything wrong (morally sure), but nothing really wrong. He actually tried to bring all 3 of them closer, instead of hiding it from Josh, and he was the most honest with Josh. Do I take his side? NO! But he really is the lesser of two evils in this situation.
Chris K
2024-03-19 02:18:02 +0000 UTCProbably important to note that there are some, like CSH, who love Kimmy as she is. And I won't presume to speak for them, but I will say that if I were allowed the opportunity to do so, that I think I get why. How much more boring and run of the mill would this story be if Kimmy wasn't who she is and made what most of us deem the "right" decisions? She's the bad guy you like because she's not Devlin. She's more. And less. A perfect little dichotomy who makes you *feel* all sorts of things. She's amazing.
L_S87
2024-03-19 01:54:32 +0000 UTCProbably couldn't have said it better than what Chris just wrote. We've had this conversation before about why Devlin gets less hate. For the *very* reason KIMMY herself stated to Josh. He's nothing, nobody. A big dick with a childish mind. What he did to Josh in high-school is awful. His seduction now? Despicable. Yet none of it. Not. One. Single. Instance. Occurs without Kimmy's knowing and willful participation. And myself and others have said multiple times we initially felt sorry for Kimmy, that she seemed trapped by a predator. She made poor decisions. But she didn't rectify them, she doubled down. She became exactly what Josh called her. The. Enemy. The enemy of their marriage, of Josh's happiness. His protector became his jailer. Trapping him in a no win scenario. "The strong one" said she would protect him from Devlin, yet the only reason he needed protection was because of her own choices. Actions have consequences. Sometimes those consequences are that people see you to be a shit person because of an over abundance of evidence saying you make poor decisions and then try to justify them based on specious arguments designed to cripple an already wounded individual. Kimmy *is* KT's greatest creation to date. She is NOT, however, a good person. So why does she get so much hate if both her and Devlin are both not good people? Simple. Because we want to like, even love, Kimmy, and she keeps letting us down. Devlin never let's us down. He'll always be an ignorant asshole. Kimmy, she doesn't have to be a deceitful succubus. She chooses to be so because she'd rather be the villain than the hero. Yep, Josh had it right. And that's why she keeps breaking his heart too.
L_S87
2024-03-19 01:41:45 +0000 UTCYes JL23! I feel like the next chapter will tell us where Kimmy's head is at. I hope this is another one of KT's fake outs just like Josh with the gun in the hotel room! And Kimmy doesn't fuck Devlin by maybe spars with him verbally more and strokes his cock. Maybe trying to see where his head is at just like Amy. I hope I am right.
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-19 00:07:01 +0000 UTCYes Bill, we hold Kimmy to a higher standard. She has a REAL life (husband, family, real friends, love), yet she treated everything in that life like a poker chip, to up the wager on her next orgasm. Devlin is rich dumb asshole who got laid. Probably a few high fives, but not breaking any hearts on his side of the tracks. Personally I could care less about revenge on Devlin. Even if Kimmy does play the hero and pulls it off, will she have anything to go back to? Does she deserve it? That's the most enticing part of the story for me anyway.
Chris K
2024-03-18 23:19:23 +0000 UTCThis chapter (at least the Kimmy section) really was an epic mind-f$&k for a reader. We see Kimmy doing something really pivotal without any context as to why she’s doing it. The why will tell us a lot about where this is going, and while I still find it unlikely she’s completely written off Josh and just pursuing her lust without any concerns or ulterior motives, you can’t necessarily rule it out based on that chapter.
JL23
2024-03-18 23:13:43 +0000 UTCI just want KT to deliver the next chapter before I fully condemn Kimmy. Maybe this all a ruse and she’s playing Devlin. Like what L_S87 said Kimmys mind is murky we don’t know what she’s really thinking. I actually started to like Kimmy two chapters ago when she came clean and even during her argument with Josh. I thought maybe she would turn a page and their marriage could be worked on and possibly survive. And then this chapter it’s the same Kimmy who didn’t really learn anything from her argument with Josh. The first thing she does is go to Devlins apartment and grabs his dick. Maybe she has a plan but if it’s back to doing the nasty then I think it’s time for Josh to move on!
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-18 22:16:27 +0000 UTCNot exactly, Josh is hurt because Devlin seduced Kimmy... Why did he? Secondly, because Kimmy is still with Devlin... Why is she? It seems to be the most popular opinion that... Kimmy seems to receive all the blame for the situation... why is that? A rich privileged man of mediocre intelligence started all this yet people seem to dismiss his responsibility for this as though he were a predatory animal whose actions are survival instincts which they are not. When he seduced a particular woman he knew to be vulnerable as a human being, selfish wretched specimen though he may be, he had motives and intentions apart from his devious sexual pleasure. Why is one of his victims singled out as being solely, and primarily to blame for, not only her own pain, but for the pain of the other. Also she receives more blame for her pleasure than her boss does for his... Why is Kimmy being held to a higher standard than the big adult attention seeking sociopath who consciously started this... or wait a minute could one of Devlin's earlier victims, Amy, be a sinister mastermind? She certainly seems to be a meanspirited bitch... but if she's so clever, why isn't she rich? This is directed at all those who are so concerned for poor Josh, some of them all of a sudden! Poor Devlin it's not his fault he was born into wealth and privilege... it's much more likely a vindictive victim who deserves censure. I reply to you because you are eminently reasonable... and the idea of Kimmy's peculiar privilege as hurter of Josh seemed a good place to start unravelling my dissatisfaction with the prevalent reactions to this instalment. I'd like to think this could be viewed as an impressive display of her strength in what is almost assuredly a difficult emotionally conflicted situation for Kimmy. Most of us would have phoned in sick, but Kimmy like Josh bottles up her feelings and forges ahead. Kimmy might seem to be alone but she isn't, as we all know. Anybody who just thought about her drinking champagne, give me a break, depending on your age and the detection of the pregnancy your own mother probably did worse, my mother definitely did! PS I sympathise with your position, but I think it is very effective that like Devlin and Josh we only get to see Kimmy's masked and cosmetic exterior. A poignant choice...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-18 21:34:49 +0000 UTCThat could be true, Andrew, but I don't think it's likely. Yes, the way she begged last chapter was not typical for her, showing just how emotional that moment was, and I could see resentment from Josh putting her in that position, but I don't think she's at a point where she'd sever ties. I could definitely see her demanding Josh show his devotion before letting him back in, but I feel like her connection to him is too strong for it to fade that quickly. She's got a plan, it involves Devlin and Josh, and probably Amy. I just don't know what it is.
L_S87
2024-03-18 20:56:57 +0000 UTCMaybe she knows Devlin is the baby daddy and she is finally coming to terms with it? No way Josh wants to be with her after this! Maybe Kimmy is finally cutting her losses from Josh!
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-18 20:24:04 +0000 UTCYou're right, CSH. We're kind of left to wonder this on our own, which is typical of KT. Is she doing this as a signal of what she wants or as a facade to blind Devlin to her true intentions. Is she planning to enact revenge as she told Josh, or is this an intent to return to the status quo but with Kimmy in charge and making sure Devlin stays in his designated play area like a good boy. Her comments on Amy kind of cloud the issue because it comes off as jealous, just as Devlin suggests, yet it could also be a fact finding mission to see how deep the partnership goes so she can figure out how to gut them both. Hard to say. Kimmy could be doing this for a variety of reasons. Unfortunately most of them won't fly with Josh, so it's hard to figure out if she's doing this for herself or if she thinks she can draw Josh back in with a well crafted story.
L_S87
2024-03-18 20:18:09 +0000 UTCAgreed L_S87, I could see her thinking like that. She’d already gotten to the point where she was pretty much done apologizing to Josh before she got in the shower. Though the pregnancy is a new reveal of potential betrayal to him, I could see her just being angry with him for not seeing things her way. I also have to concede it’s possible her actions with Devlin have little to do with Josh right now, maybe she is just trying to distract herself with sex (and a newfound level of control over a somewhat penitent and chastened Devlin). Like you said, we don’t really know her motivations as to why she’s doing things in that apartment. It just feels to me like, even if she’s mad at Josh for not staying, the rage she felt toward Devlin for ruining her plan hasn’t gone away either. I still think she’s going to “punish” him here by teasing him then walking away. If she does have revenge planned, she needs to exert dominance and I still believe that’s what she’s doing right now. I think her meeting with daddy and his lawyer will also give her more control. My guess: Devlin has screwed something up and they are looking to Kimmy to help fix it.
JL23
2024-03-18 15:00:50 +0000 UTCAlways sound advice, RC. Speak in haste, repent at leisure. I certainly have... far too frequently!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-18 09:19:15 +0000 UTCThank you so much, Donkatsu! I just discovered three books by George MacDonald Fraser I didn't even know existed "The Lights Out At Signpost", "The Reavers" and "Captain in Calico" his unpublished first novel which I will probably read on Kindle, despite the fact that GMF accepted the motives for its rejection according to his family... The first is collected articles, many about his time in the world of films, and others lambasting Tony Blair's hand in further ruining the UK, and "The Reavers" being a new historical comical novel (2007) set in the time of Good Queen Bess.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-18 06:59:53 +0000 UTCThere was more than a time or two, he almost became a gelded strumpet himself! Sometimes due to the inconstancy of his affections, and sometimes due to his knack of being in the wrong place, or improper woman, at the unpropitious moment.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-18 04:50:40 +0000 UTCAn arrant coward, perhaps, and certainly suffering from quaking bowels in battle, but the gilded strumpets of the age found his charms, and cock, irresistible. Next time you are in Rawalpindi check out Flashman's Hotel.
Donkatsu
2024-03-18 02:40:11 +0000 UTCI'm holding off judgement of Kimmy at this point. Josh is just shell shocked. His PTSD has finally peaked he's lashed out at his bull. Let's all wait and see what happens over the next few chapters.
RCH
2024-03-18 00:05:59 +0000 UTCSo, Brooklyn or black Irish? Not Scouse. Black Irish was a bad joke, it was as I believed originally a reference to dark hair and eye colour but is not used in Ireland, but comes from USA I just discovered. Apparently my bad joke about the dem has some racial context even in Australia amongst 'white' people of Aboriginal descent. Black Dutch also exists it seems... In Scouse 'guys' would be unnecessary and makes it seem American.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-17 22:43:20 +0000 UTCYes, one of my favourite historical characters along with Jack Aubrey and Steven Maturin. Of the three "Flash" was by far the greatest cocksman and arrant coward... he would certainly fit in well as both bully and bull. Yes, indeed, Fraser, cunningly changed him from the bane of Tom Brown into one of the most widely ranging rogerers of famous women in history. That particular adventure of his is one I've read most often. There was also a patriotic poem by some poet or other we were forced to learn by heart when I was young. How the British Empire loved to celebrate its military disasters...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-17 22:11:46 +0000 UTCThe Reason Why: The Story of the Fatal Charge of the Light Brigade Paperback – Illustrated, July 1, 1991 by Cecil Woodham-Smith (Author) Cited as Fn 20 in the memoirs of Sir Harry Paget Flashman, Brigadier; VC; KCB; KCIE; Chevalier, Legion d'Honneur; U.S. Medal of Honor; San Serafino Order of Purity and Truth: Flashman at the Charge, 'edited' by George MacDonald Fraser. Imagine what KT could do with an accomplished swordsman like Flash Harry and his exploits through the years of Empire!
Donkatsu
2024-03-17 20:47:06 +0000 UTCEvil attract EVIL!!! Both Kimmy and Devlin and the spawn of Satan could rot in Hell!!! Lol!!!
Mike Monroe
2024-03-17 20:45:20 +0000 UTCYou mean, "How are dem eyes after youse guys' fight yesterday?"
Donkatsu
2024-03-17 20:41:43 +0000 UTC@ Karl. Despite, his cerebral and cynical aspects I don't think Josh acts in a calculating way. His actions seem more instinctual and emotional. His intellect is respectable, but not what drives him, just as in many ways he is not what others would consider ambitious. His ambitions lie in the realm of personal matters. This is probably a point of contention for new and 'improved' Kimmy. He is able to change his mind without obsessing too much, about how it looks to others. With the proviso that Kimmy isn't just an other!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-17 19:27:22 +0000 UTCI see it the other way round I see it as a treat when we get a glimpse inside another person... L_S. l expect misunderstanding and incomprehension which is one of the things that drew me to KT's writing that she manages to incorporate, or integrate, uncertainty into her plotting and style so well... no judgement was intended rather the opposite, I found it curious! And your opinions interesting. I suppose it just seems more natural to me. Oddly, though more natural first person narrative or stream of consciousness I find frustrating because I know before hand there will be built in limitations in matters of motivation and intentions of other characters. Still, variety is the spice of life.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-17 18:35:53 +0000 UTCAll narrators are unreliable some just try to disguise the fact... it's a bit like Heisenberg's uncertainty principle the more you determine about an event or character the less you are able to reveal about other aspects with equal clarity. Observation by its nature infringes on the thing that is being observed. Also a bully initially sees the potential victimhood in other people as more important than other characteristics they may have and vice versa. Devlin might be quite sincere in his belief that his victims are provoking him to bully them, but the belief is still self serving. The same goes for gender roles Kimmy probably feels that Devlin's penis size and social prestige are made for her and reflect on her, the attraction seeming mutual. It limits perception the more it concentrates it. Hence prejudice and self-deception. Sorry for being pedantic, Andrew.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-17 17:35:29 +0000 UTCYes on Dante, the violent and wrathful in the River Styx.
KT Morrison
2024-03-17 16:12:00 +0000 UTCMaybe it’s that threesome that Kimmy denied Amy in High School. And Amy wants to relive it. Or most unlikely maybe Amy wants Josh. I doubt that because it’s mentioned Amy doesn’t like Josh. So who knows?
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-17 16:09:15 +0000 UTCIt is time we get back to that side of the plot. But this time she did treat Devlin like she has been Josh. Asking about his well being, while giving him slight humiliation, treating him like a child. And then "petting" his dick when he starts getting upset and confused. I hope her plan is good!
Chris K
2024-03-17 15:37:23 +0000 UTCThank you KT. Kimmy is your best female lead so far. I disagree with many here that are shocked and upset she went back to play with Devlin so soon. She was open with Josh that she would. Josh seems to be in the process of talking himself into returning. She should let him stew till he is done. I still really love the gender role swap in the story with Josh, the “wife” fleeing Kimmy, the unfaithful “husband”. Applaud Kimmy going straight to the sex with Devlin. After all the angst we could use a return to the sex driven aspects of the plot. Evil Kimmy is lovely and seductively devious, or is that deviously seductive?
CSH
2024-03-17 15:05:44 +0000 UTCYes! hashtag justice for Jonny!
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-17 14:27:54 +0000 UTCI second your comments. Love Reza series! Per my usual: Free Jonny's pee pee! :)
RCH
2024-03-17 13:57:21 +0000 UTCThe cold shoulder, splendid isolation and the woman's touch, Devlin's mistaken belief that HE'S the boss, knowingly setting her own schedule with the real boss, establishing control of the board, making her moves dictate the game. Mardi Gras. The hand that rocks... The heart wants what the heart lacks... Desperate times call for desperate measures. Still waters run deep... but are they still waters? When God evicted Adam and Eve from his Persian garden he condemned them to earn their living by the sweat of their brows... Is she becoming Devlin, or behind her shuttered eyes a Josh? Or will she remake them in her own image? Thrones and dominions. Rolling with the punch is a kind of submission... as is going with the flow... whilst swimming against the current... is not a martial art. Or the art of war.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-17 13:31:25 +0000 UTCExactly, Andrew. I like DITW for the same reasons. I love seeing Kimmy's pov, what she's thinking, why she's doing all the awful things she's doing. As many have noted, both Kimmy and Josh are horrible arbiters of truth because they constantly taint it with their own versions of it with what they believe and want, rather than true reality. And ultimately, that's why I like seeing her thoughts that tell me *why* Kimmy is doing something rather than just what she's doing. I know we'll have a better idea in a few chapters. I'm being impatient.
L_S87
2024-03-17 11:52:35 +0000 UTCI agree L_S87! KT's writing is second to none in the genre of erotica and in just plain fiction. Do you think her style has evolved or changed compare to her earlier works? Like I noticed and mentioned that this series employs a lot of POV's between Josh and Kimmy. And then you compare it to Landlord where it's mainly Johnny's POV. I actually like the style of a lot of POV's because I like to read what other characters are thinking!
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-17 04:49:03 +0000 UTCMs. Prism may have had a point...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-17 04:32:14 +0000 UTCSo much procrustean argumentation that takes measures to ensure that a certain character fits precisely into the bed they have been assigned to as their 'just deserts.' "Theirs is not to reason why,"
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-17 04:20:50 +0000 UTCWell, not every chapter is. But many of them are simply because the nature of a chapter is to setup the next. Or finish a scenario. So waiting several days makes every chapter feel that way in a sense, except when the scene ends and you have closure for that section. For me, this is less about that and just not liking a particular style of writing. To be clear, I don't think KT is doing anything wrong or that a mistake has been made. I put a lot of emphasis on logical flow in writing. Because I write for a living as well, but its of a technical nature. Hence, logical. So when I see certain breaks in patterns, it throws me for a loop and bothers me. Probably much more so then others. Part of the reason I love the way KT writes, outside of this narrow instance, is because from a technical standpoint, she's awesome. Her syntax, grammar, and style are top notch. Much better than most self publishers ever have any hope of being. So when these little "issues" (for lack of a better term) pop up, I'm much harder on KT than she deserves. My own personal flaw, that thankfully, KT doesn't see fit to get too irritated with me about when I make comments on writing style.
L_S87
2024-03-17 03:07:46 +0000 UTCL_S87 you mean like how every chapter has a cliffhanger? I wonder if KT could write Landlord in this Paetron style? Because when I am reading Landlord most of story is in Jonny's POV and I noticed it's very rarely on Charlie's POV and it mainly dwells on her actions and comments to Jonny through his eyes. That makes up for the great angst of the series where Jonny is waiting for Charlie to get home after a date night with Reza and he is worried sick. But I wonder what it would look like through Charlie's eyes? Is she attracted or repulsed by Reza? i think Devil In The Water has an advantage on Landlord on this regard even though Kimmy is still an unreliable narrator.
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-17 02:54:20 +0000 UTCJL, you took my reference to Maggie much deeper than intended. There's not really any correlation between how Maggie felt about Cole and how Kimmy feels about Devlin. Not to mention that whole thing started in front of Max. I referenced that specific point where Maggie was remorseful and distraught yet finally got fed up with saying the same thing over and over while feeling like she wasn't being heard, was just being punished. Kimmy may never get to that point, but she has a much more forceful and dominant personality than Maggie does, so she'd very much, imo, have a point where she stops being upset about Josh's actions and starts getting angry about them. We may never get to that point, depending on what Josh does, but Kimmy doesn't see herself as weak. So I can definitely see her refusing to show the "devotion" Josh wants and turning the tables on him.
L_S87
2024-03-17 02:43:18 +0000 UTCWe will see Tracey52. What happens when a man is out of options? He was tracking Kimmy pretty hard in this chapter. What happens when he his is at work and he sees her at Devlin's apartment? He told Kimmy what he wanted during the argument: "To quit, No revenge" and she didn't listen. She obviously not interested in saving their marriage or she would have listened. Also why is she always drinking alcohol when she is pregnant? If the baby was Josh's you think she would have more care about it's welfare. Unless it's biggus dickuss's spawn! I'll giver her the benefit of the doubt now but if Kimmy is doing the nasty next chapter with Devlin. I am all for Josh calling up Karina or one of his female co workers!
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-17 02:39:15 +0000 UTCYou guys have great points, especially regarding how episodic Patreon makes this feel, rather then reading a book over a few hours or days. I will say, Bill, that this sort of setup works great, for me, when we only get one POV, because we truly don't know what the others thinking, like in Landlord. Where it trips me up is when we have chapter after chapter of knowing someone's thoughts, then suddenly, slipped into the flow, we get an opaque wall where we suddenly can't see inside. The thoughts disappear. As I said before. I get the setup, I just don't like the incongruity of receiving a steady flow of info, then it's cut off, simply because it would give away too much. It's not like it ruins the book by any means. Just a pet peeve of mine. One of the rare moments in a KT book where the style ends up being something I don't care for. It's not like it happens often. She's done it before, multiple times during this series. It just struck me extra hard this time because it feels... weird, to me, in this moment for her to be that blank in regards to Josh. The upside is that it means we know something interesting is going on there, we just have to be patient and wait for the surprise.
L_S87
2024-03-17 02:32:07 +0000 UTCTotally agree Mike and Chris! Josh needs to take care of the baby if it's his! He should also make romantic connections. All he has to do is find out through the tracker she is at Devlins apartment! Call up a coworker or Karina . Take them back to the apartment for some love and when Kimmy comes home after fucking Devlin show Kimmy how cheating feels like! Kimmy is no longer coming to him. Like Josh says she is the enemy. I believe she is in love with Devlin no matter what she says!
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-17 02:26:12 +0000 UTCI think the chapter by chapter nature of this story makes it easier sometimes to get frustrated with what we don’t know. It’s great to get a new chapter every 3-5 days, but each one tends to leave you with more questions than answers. With the other novels, we read them book by book, so you got 20-25 chapters at once and a full narrative flow (for that book at least). Of course, downside was then you had to wait months for your next fix. I guess I go back and forth on which way I prefer, constant torture or just brief bursts of torture then a period of recovery before the next burst of torture. LOL I’m just like Josh…at least I admit I like being tortured.
JL23
2024-03-17 01:50:21 +0000 UTCI'd like to see her have a biological connection with Devlin myself. A constant reminder of the choices she's made. No doubt Josh would be a great father though.
Chris K
2024-03-17 01:34:24 +0000 UTCAll the blinders are off Now. Ignorance is not bliss. When folks show you who they are you have to believe them. Kimmy is the Devil in the waters marriage. What she wants is the only things she cares about ..it her way only. She wants her cake and wants to devour it all by herself! Josh needs to continue to man up and decide what ultimately he needs to do about it. I think he should leave it ..just find out if the baby is truly his or not and act accordingly. If not ..cool ..get the Hell out of dodge. If it is be a dad if possible but separate from Kimmy BS. Definitely problems ahead . They is just ramping up I believe and we all are here for it! Bravo KT!!!
Mike Monroe
2024-03-17 01:19:57 +0000 UTCNot gonna happen Andrew. Josh isn’t like that and ultimately he wants Kimmy back as does Kimmy. If the baby is Josh’s I’m confident they’ll find a way forward. Just don’t know what that’s going to look like and who will be wearing Kimmy’s panties.
Tracey52
2024-03-17 01:18:24 +0000 UTCRereading Reza and man do I miss Charlie! She is everything Kimmy is not! Loving and loyal to Jonny but due to the contract forced to get diddled by Reza's big Johnson. Also never lies to Jonny and tells him the truth and Jonny is o.k. with it. . Innocent and naive and not devious. Also love the angst in this series. Just miss the series in general and hope KT picks it up sooner rather than later!
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-17 00:36:31 +0000 UTCI think Josh should get it in his head that Kimmy is too far gone! Kimmy only cares about Kimmy even though she says "I'll do anything for you Josh". I think after work Josh should call up Karina or one of his female co workers and invite them to the apartment for cocktails or drinks and then get down to some loving. And then when Kimmy gets home from her lunch sex with Devlin find out how betrayal feels like. I also want to see how a jealous Kimmy would react! Then she will come crawling back to Josh and realize how much she is going to lose. Afterall what's good for the goose is good for the gander!
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-17 00:21:11 +0000 UTCI invoke my right to silence...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-17 00:20:56 +0000 UTCTracey52, Hope so! But what happens when Josh finds her location at Devlin's apartment? I hope he confronts them and throws another chair!
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-17 00:11:52 +0000 UTCJosh is not going to be happy when he finds her location on his phone! Call up Karina or one of your female co workers Josh! What's good for Kimmy should be good for you!
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-17 00:02:07 +0000 UTCWhatever happened to "I'll do anything for you Josh"? "I don't want revenge Kimmy"! I guess she didn't listen to Josh and don't care what he thinks!
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-16 23:40:12 +0000 UTC'Which I get, I just don't much care for that kind of setup.' I'm surprised, because it's basic Morrison. Personally, I find it delightful, dare I say charming! Just look at the opacity of Josh's intentions when he was picking up his car keys, and his continuing conflicted state today.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-16 23:11:59 +0000 UTCKimmy mentioned after Josh stormed out of the hotel room that she was almost grateful Devlin was there because it gave her something to focus on besides her grief. This could be a similar thing here.
JL23
2024-03-16 22:45:38 +0000 UTCAnd, Tracey, a mite menacing I thought... like a villain stroking a pussy I found, but less misogynistic.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-16 22:43:39 +0000 UTC" Devlin would worry how he mattered." I don't wish to presume but might I suggest... if he mattered... whether he mattered, or perhaps... how much he mattered. If she gave a shit about what he thought might be too explicit for your purposes! August enough for ya?
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-16 22:30:37 +0000 UTCIsn’t the problem they both want the other to chase them? Or, perhaps more accurately, to see their plight and potential salvation in the exact same way they see it. Yeah, Josh wants Kimmy to chase him, but Kimmy wants Josh to do the same thing. The issue is, as with any negotiation, the resolution lies in the muddy middle (pun intended), where each side has to give up something for the common good. Neither are really willing to do that yet.
JL23
2024-03-16 22:25:06 +0000 UTC"Kimmy looked in Devlin’s black eyes, and though he tried as hard as he could to fight a monstrous surge of bereavement, he couldn’t stop the tears." I waive my right to silence, KT, now that is what I call a man! If Josh's penis size wasn't so adequate as Kimmy enthuses that it is, I would say he was as much a man as "Learning Lessons" Pete! But you can't lack everything! Pete's manhood gave the lie to the size of his willy!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-16 22:20:59 +0000 UTCInteresting, Kimmy is pissed at Devlin, but still appears to want his cock! That was a surprise I'd didn't expect. I now see that Kimmy isn't at all repentant. Not going to repeat all the fine points others brought up, all very good. I'm interested in the request for a meeting from the senior Mr. Stone and his attorney. Were is this heading? More! More!
RCH
2024-03-16 22:19:24 +0000 UTCAt the moment Kimmy makes me sick!
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-16 22:14:27 +0000 UTCI wonder how well a set of big blue balls suits Devlin. Suit you Sir!
Karl
2024-03-16 22:14:23 +0000 UTCL_S87, love your points! I however don't think Josh is going to be down with her fucking Devlin again! After everything he's seen and heard. So Kimmy is fooling herself with the seduction revenge stunt. And when he sees that tracker with her at Devlin's apartment. He's going to know Kimmy doesn't give a shit about him. That's when I say he should pay her back and hook up with someone else. I was against it the last three chapters because I thought Kimmy would change and I was starting to feel for her. But stuff like this makes me want Josh to show her what she is losing. Because at the moment she seems indestructible and getting everything her heart desires but she is also destroying the person she supposedly loves!
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-16 22:11:28 +0000 UTC"But there were things he knew; things that gleamed in the rubble of their marital rubble."
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-16 22:05:18 +0000 UTCI got angry with this chapter! Kimmy is a faithless tramp. I wonder if Josh is going to see the tracker with Kimmy at Devlin's apartment. This marriage is over at this point. I like how Josh wants Kimmy to fight for him. Now would be the perfect time for him to sow some oats maybe take a coworker home or Karina. Fuck them in their marriage bed. Time it perfectly for Kimmy to come home. Make her jealous for once after what she did to him. Because Kimmy is doing whatever Kimmy feels like and it makes me angry. She learned nothing from their argument. Kimmy doesn't love Josh she is attracted to Devlin. Josh even told he didn't want revenge. Also pregnant and drinking champagne! Nice Kimmy, I guess the baby is not Josh's like you tried to say. I hope the next chapter brings some clarity but I have a feeling it's going to be another Devlin-Kimmy sex scene with his big horse dick. But after the sweaty sex what does Kimmy have to show for it an empty apartment to go back to.
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-16 22:00:00 +0000 UTC"after the tragic end to their marriage (I mean, wasn’t it?)"
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-16 21:59:57 +0000 UTC"He wanted his wife to sacrifice this job she loved for the sake of their marriage"
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-16 21:57:15 +0000 UTCThis is going in a direction which is perfectly to my liking, Karl.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-16 21:54:03 +0000 UTCJosh is going to find someone else. After looking at the tracker and seeing her at Devlin's apartment. This marriage is over! She didn't listen to a word he said. Josh didn't want revenge this is all Kimmy doing everything for herself. After getting the fucking of her life from Devlin, Kimmy is going to realize that it was all for naught because she is going to realize their is an empty apartment to go back to.
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-16 21:47:18 +0000 UTCShe does mention in the chapter she reveals her pregnancy that “she can’t be the person guiding Josh about his desires anymore.” That ultimately he had to decide what he wanted. Of course, that was before it all caved in on her, but that could be the fundamental tension moving forward: they both want the other to make the move to save their marriage. I personally wouldn’t compare her to Maggie, in that Max ripping off the engagement ring forced Maggie to reconsider whether she really wanted to marry him, and precipitated the downfall of their (exclusive) relationship. I think Maggie had already come to the realization that while she loved Max, she also loved Cole, so I think it was heading to its ultimate conclusion whether Max made the move to end the engagement then or not. Whatever we think of Kimmy, she’s not in love with Devlin and doesn’t have any interest in actually being in a relationship with him over Josh.
JL23
2024-03-16 21:44:57 +0000 UTCAfter all this and now this instance if I was Josh I wouldn't accept Kimmy back! I am glad he wants her to come begging to him. It seems she learned nothing from their argument the day before. Kimmy is a faithless tramp! I wonder if Josh is going to see the tracker and see her at Devlin's apartment! So much for their marriage! I hope KT writes in a new love interest for Josh . That would really grease Kimmy's goose. I think now would be the perfect time to bring Karina into the picture. Does Josh really still love Kimmy after everything she did to him. Also that baby cant possible be Josh's after the harm she inflicts on it! Drinking champagne? Great chapter KT but it makes me angry in a good way!
Andrew Mellein
2024-03-16 21:41:48 +0000 UTCThats a good point, Bill. Or what I gleaned from your comment is. There's a lot of ways this could go. Hell, she could be doing this to get Devlin on her side because she still thinks Josh wants this and is just lying to himself. Get a more compliant Devlin who does what she says when she says it, give Josh his "dream" and stick it to Amy. Then dump Devlin when she's done with him. Or she could just be feeling the need to blow off some steam because Josh left her feeling awful last night. Maybe it's all of those. I will say I find it odd, given how distraught Kimmy was last night, and how big a deal being with Devlin is given the conversation she had with Josh, that she has ZERO thoughts about Josh and how she's feeling in regards to that. It could be that she's purposefully avoiding it to not break down, but it honestly feels more like KT is just hiding that from us for a reveal in a couple chapters. Which I get, I just don't much care for that kind of setup.
L_S87
2024-03-16 21:39:45 +0000 UTCWell, one comment I am not doing any back peddling just yet.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-16 21:31:29 +0000 UTCYeah, I think the divide here is that at some point, Kimmy is going to decide she's done enough, or at least all she's willing to do, to show she loves Josh and wants him. Once she reaches that point, Josh is going to have to show his own devotion and willingness to come back. Right or wrong, Kimmy wants things her way. That's why she still went to work this morning and that's why she tried multiple manipulation paths the prior night. She's only willing to go so far before the face of indifference she shows Devlin will be the same face she shows Josh to force him to give in, or walk away. And while right now she definitely doesn't want him to walk away, at some point she'll get to where Maggie was at, that she's decided it's no longer about being hurt and bewildered, but is simply Josh punishing her for her mistakes. Given Kimmy's typical attitude, that will be the point she decides it's Josh's turn to work for it. And if he doesn't want to.... well, that thought probably won't cross her mind, or if it does, she'll dismiss it, because her way is always the right way. After all, if Devlin and Amy hadn't screwed this up...
L_S87
2024-03-16 21:30:37 +0000 UTCNot sure I totally agree but a viable theory, JL. For once Kimmy is clearly being manipulative... and it isn't of Josh...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-16 21:27:31 +0000 UTCWritten with all the admirable circumspection one could hope for... otherwise no comment... or rather I reserve my right to remain silent.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-16 21:22:54 +0000 UTCI think grabbing his dick is to manipulate Devlin further. Don’t think they’ll have sex, just wants Devlin to think so.
Tracey52
2024-03-16 21:20:03 +0000 UTCI think the big difficulty here is how huge the damage Kimmy’s done to the marriage is. Most relationships don’t survive this sort of thing intact. Emotionally, Josh NEEDS Kimmy to do something here that’s more than words. I don’t think Josh can even conceive of what Kimmy could do to make things better. That’s not necessarily a failing of his (there's a world where nothing she could do would fix it). It feels like he’s just wishing for something to fix it and he’s at the end of his rope. What boundary setting could Josh do at this point that would rebuild trust when Kimmy has already shown him she doesn’t particularly care about his boundaries when it suits her?
Glaucon
2024-03-16 21:16:20 +0000 UTC"Gurgling In Black Mud," Is this a reference to the Niland Geyser? And the infernal sulphurous odour? Or are we back with Dante and the wrathful sinking into the mud? If not the characters could it refer to the predisposition of the readers.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-16 21:15:09 +0000 UTCAwesome set up KT.
Tracey52
2024-03-16 21:14:48 +0000 UTCI think we're both on the same page. I like the way you stated it better. I will say I think her plan always included seducing Devlin, its why she wanted Josh on board and to admit he wanted this. It would give her cover for this strategy. You are 100% right that she probably didn't plan for it to happen this quickly, she's simply taking the opportunity Devlin has afforded her. I also agree that she hasn't forgotten Josh. I meant that more as a statement that she's set him aside, and her focus on keeping him, rather abruptly, to enact her own plan. Regardless of how Josh will view her methods because she thinks she's right. She always does. I think you have the right point, though, that her thoughts may be along the lines that she spent the entire night arguing, tryjng to get Josh to see her way, and it got her nowhere. Just a bunch of heart ache and tears. So instead she's going to show him her way, and prove that she's right. How Josh's desire for her to prove her devotion fits in to that is anyone's guess.
L_S87
2024-03-16 21:05:36 +0000 UTCIf I can defend Kimmy for a second (though I mostly agree with the theme this is probably the worst thing she could do right now): I don’t think she planned this part out, it was Devlin that set up the lunch and once there, I think she saw her opportunity to begin enacting her revenge plan and took it. It’s pretty clear she’s also trying to gain intel on Amy from him, so I agree her plan includes getting back at Amy too. Also, while there may be something to your thought that she “wrote off” Josh for the time being, I look at it more as she doesn’t feel there is anything she can say to him at the moment to win him back, so she’s going to move forward with her plan, whatever it is, and she’s going to show him rather than tell him. I’m not saying it will work, it’s a good idea or that it isn’t ultimately manipulative or self serving, but I do believe in her mind she’s doing this for Josh. If she’s not (or if she doesn’t believe she is), then there isn’t a story anymore.
JL23
2024-03-16 20:52:57 +0000 UTCHA HA
KT Morrison
2024-03-16 20:49:42 +0000 UTCMy thoughts exactly. I understand Josh taking distance to clear his head but if he stays waiting for Kimmy, that ship might sail. I hope he ditches the thought that him taking the initiative and going to Kimmy is crawling back. He can and should go to Kimmy and tell her what he wants and needs, set boundaries, tell his terms. Nothing humiliating about that.
Karl
2024-03-16 20:48:08 +0000 UTC"When you've got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow."
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-16 20:47:47 +0000 UTC"Kimmy would have to earn her way back....Kimmy would have to prove her devotion...Nothing mattered but Kimmy’s return." This seems to be a repeating theme for Josh. He runs away, and then expects Kimmy to follow...or else. He did it before. Now he does it again. He thinks now "Nothing matter[s] but Kimmy's return," and I'm thinking, 'Man, she BEGGED you not to leave.' What does she have to do for you? Beg louder? Longer? Follow you after you leave? She did that once already. Traveled half way around the world to follow you. Now she has to chase you again?
Pete
2024-03-16 20:38:36 +0000 UTC"Gurgling in Black Mud", soon to be "Gurgling the White Stuff"
Chris K
2024-03-16 20:15:24 +0000 UTC"She said, “How’s you eye? You’re wearing makeup?” Error "How's 'your' eye?"
Bill F Protagoras
2024-03-16 20:04:21 +0000 UTCI want to shake my head at Kimmy. She has learned absolutely nothing... NOTHING! from last night. It's like she's already cut Josh loose and is willing to do something she knows he would abhor just to enact her revenge. Because I'm pretty sure we all know that even if this leads to sex, it's only a tool to blind him to her ultimate goal. The bigger issue is that Josh has had time to think, he's walked back his hardline stance, somewhat, and is willing to give Kimmy an opportunity because he wants to be a father just as badly as she wants to be a mother. And also admits, even with all that's happened, he still loves her. And she does this. The ends don't justify the means, Kimmy. How do you think Josh is going to feel after everything you said about how much he matters that you walked out that door to work and the first thing you did was meet Devlin at his apartment for lunch? After telling you he doesn't want revenge, he just wants truth and an effort to mend the broken trust and eroded marriage you caused with your betrayal? I think Josh does have his head wrapped around the fact that he let some of this happen because he wanted some of it. Not all, but enough. Ultimately, I think his anger stems not from what Kimmy did, but how and why she did it. Partners don't do what she did. And they sure as hell don't say it's your fault for wanting it. (Though Kimmy does deserve credit for admitting the things she did, even if it was clouded with entirely too much manipulation). The part with Stone senior is interesting. And while i think Kimmy's tactics are horse shit, it does intrigue me that she's clearly got it out for Devlin *and* Amy. I kind of get the feeling she's written Josh off, for the moment, because him leaving has put her in an almost blind rage over those two foul beings for ruining her marriage. (Because we all know if they'd just let Kimmy have her way, everything would have been fine, right?)
L_S87
2024-03-16 19:56:20 +0000 UTCWhatever it is, I agree it does seem to be about Kimmy for Amy
Glaucon
2024-03-16 19:46:47 +0000 UTCThe role Amy is playing here is going to be fascinating to uncover. We’ve barely seen her in person, so everything we really know about her is how others perceive her. Is she really doing…whatever it is she’s actually doing…cause she hates Josh and wants to destroy him, as Devlin implies? That seems unlikely to me, from what we’ve seen it’s clear she doesn’t respect Josh, but that’s far from hating someone to the point you want to ruin their life. So what is driving her? Was she trying to ruin it cause she was jealous and wanted Devlin to herself? Cause it’s just fun to play puppet master? Possible, but also not what I’m thinking. I’m wondering if she’s doing all this to ruin Kimmy’s life. To ruin her marriage, to turn her real friends against her and ultimately leave her with nothing. The ending here might not be just Josh overcoming his bully, but Kimmy as well.
JL23
2024-03-16 19:43:20 +0000 UTCI think there's long been implication that Amy is playing her own game here to manipulate Josh and Kimmy (shades of Chelsea Hates Libby?) all the way back to Kimmy confronting Devlin about the texts supposedly coming from him and Devlin seeming honestly dumbfounded.
Glaucon
2024-03-16 19:36:58 +0000 UTCYeah, it needs a fix—but, whew, you should have read how bad it was when I first wrote it!
KT Morrison
2024-03-16 19:33:31 +0000 UTCThe seduction feels like part of her plan to control Devlin, to get him to do her bidding fully now. What exactly her plan is, we obviously don’t know, but it likely involves keeping Devlin thinking nothing is wrong and that they’re working together. Though, this would obviously be an inopportune time for Josh (who was tracking her phone in the morning) to show up.
JL23
2024-03-16 19:28:59 +0000 UTCBasically means she made him wait so he would start to worry if she was even coming at all and if their game was over. Essentially, that he would worry it (and thus he) no longer matter to her. FWIW I think this is part of her ultimate plan to ruin Devlin. In order to gain control over him, she has to seduce him. And yes, she gets to keep doing the one thing she loves with him, no question. But I think this is all the beginning of her plan to get Devlin under her thumb, doing what she wants. How Josh fits into her thoughts I don’t know, but I don’t at this point think he’s going to be interested in playing what her version of the game is with Devlin. The Devlin we’re seeing here is less the Machiavellian manipulator Josh thinks and more the meathead Kimmy believes. We’ll see if any of this works for Kimmy. The meeting with the father and “his lawyer” is interesting though. And I’m also surprised she just blows it off.
JL23
2024-03-16 19:22:23 +0000 UTCKT, this sentence read a little awkwardly...to me, at least: "She waited till after noon just so Devlin would worry how he mattered." But maybe it's just me being not that familiar with the phrase "worry how he mattered."
Pete
2024-03-16 18:54:18 +0000 UTCOld man Stone would be the pefect tool for her revenge, but not the tool she’s still after it seems
Karl
2024-03-16 18:52:22 +0000 UTCI’m actually happy Josh is getting out of his angry-self pity-martyt mindset (which he has all the right to be in) and starting to think through the possibiiity of becoming a father. I hope he doesn’t just wait on Kimmy but would take initiative for once and go to her let her know what he needs and would set his own boundaries. Kimmy already once went after him and it didn’t go well, she might not be in the crawling back mindset anymore. WTF Kimmy?! We definitely need to have context for that scene, we need to see the morning after through Kimmy’s eyes and mind. And she really needs to have an ace bigger than Devlins dick up her sleeve for having her hand on his dick after the shit she put Josh through last night. Hey Bill, you’ve been talking about devil Devlin for so long and it seems we are starting to see glimpses and hints of bigger machinations behind Waters than just a horny priviliged asshole. Is Devlin and Amy working together or is Amy just a wildcard fucking with Josh and Kimmy?
Karl
2024-03-16 18:48:44 +0000 UTCLol. True. She probably doesn't need revenge at all. Just take the meeting! He's probably offering her a one up on Devlin, but she's too dick dumb to realize it.
Chris K
2024-03-16 18:30:45 +0000 UTCKimmy's hard at work again. Gotta admire that ethic of loyalty to the firm. WRT the meeting with old man Stone, is it realistic to put off the big boss for a week or more? Shouldn't she have dropped her panties for Dad right away?
Donkatsu
2024-03-16 18:20:23 +0000 UTCThis is so deliciously painful
Karl
2024-03-16 18:19:53 +0000 UTCNot even one day and Kimmy already playing with his dick!
Chris K
2024-03-16 17:39:16 +0000 UTC