DITW 14-15: Odyssey 10
Added 2024-05-08 14:19:36 +0000 UTCWhen the doctor released him, it was almost seven o’clock at night. A nurse arrived with a wheelchair and he told her his wife was waiting for him down the hall. Kimmy sat on a waiting room chair with her eyes closed, her hair a tangled mess, leaning her head against the wall. She looked nothing like the woman of this summer and fall. The one who’d taken him on the wildest ride of his life. What would this nurse think, having seen Kimmy in the room earlier, then banished from her husband’s presence to wait where he couldn’t see her? She wore sweats and sneakers, a pea coat, no makeup, no glossy hair. She’d never looked more beautiful. But the beauty he cherished right now was attainable; a woman who made sense on Josh Waters’ arm. Maybe if the nurse saw Kimmy waiting for him with upright posture, gleaming hair pulled back from her beautiful angular face; saw the black raven’s eyes rich with intellect and cunning; saw her in an expensive suit and thousand dollar shoes and gold earrings, well, maybe then the nurse would say, ah, now it makes sense. But would it? Maybe the nurse would look at Kimmy, then at him, and she would think, how did those two ever come together? Maybe she would think the only reason this man didn’t want that stunning wife in his room was she scared the shit out of him.
But this Kimmy, rousing now from her waiting room chair, showing a tired smile to the nurse, uttered a quiet thanks, and that nod that said I’ve got it from here, this Kimmy didn’t scare him. This Kimmy carried their baby for a brief time in the spring.
And maybe held another anew. Or maybe the baby was Devlin’s.
The nurse bid them au revoir, and Kimmy wheeled him to the elevator. They rode it down. The two of them the only people in the large cab, he said, “Thanks for waiting.”
She said, “You’re stuck with me, Josh. And I’m taking you home. Nowhere but home.”
*
The ride home was quiet, mostly high-speed highway, south out of Peterborough and then before they knew it they were zipping along the 407, no other traffic. Josh said nothing, and she played quiet music to ease the crushing burden of silence.
Then, south on 412, fifteen minutes from home, Josh turned down the stereo. Black farm landscapes on either side of the highway, sky the most midnight shade of blue above them, he said, “I don’t want you to think I went into the water on purpose.”
She nodded, eyes on the road, said, “Okay.” She wanted to believe him, and chewed her cheek, waiting for him to say more.
*
The urge to ask Kimmy to join should be stronger. That familiar pull he’d always felt, the one that sought peace, the one that had allowed the events over the summer to worsen. But sitting here now and watching TV alone, he felt little lure to seek his wife out in their apartment, inquire what she was doing, ask her to come sit with him. If he did, she would do it. It was what she wanted. And somehow knowing she wanted it made him reluctant to offer it. Offering his time and space to her would be forgiveness. And if this summer taught him one thing—it had taught him many—it was how Kimmy would take any amelioration as encouragement. She’d short-circuited. Malfunctioned. Went off the rails. And he’d been unaware, sitting in the passenger car as the train plunged down the slope to oblivion. Every time he reclaimed her hand after letting it go, she closed her grip on him and took one smiling step backwards, drawing him deeper into hell. But the greatest trick she could pull, that anyone could ever pull, was convincing him he wanted to follow.
So he wouldn’t hold out his hand anymore.
He would watch TV alone and ponder the hardest questions. Like, how had she and Devlin conjured genuine enjoyment out of the ether? How was it that when he considered his beautiful Kimmy sneaking behind his back to fuck Devlin, the arousal was real? There was evidence. It was no illusion. They had done something to him. Some sorcery. There were parts of the journey he’d loved. There were even parts he’d like to relive. If only they didn’t provoke so much terror.
Somehow those two demons had splashed his sexual lust with gasoline, then handed him a struck match. He’d ignited in a wicked flash. He’d accepted the match and self-immolated in the fieriest, most self-destructive pagan festival. A wicker man. But the construct was an effigy of his weakness, and the flames consumed it, swallowed it whole. Kimmy and Devlin had burned down the part of him he despised. Devlin would never do such a thing. To Devlin, Josh’s weakness was a toy. A favorite one he would never want to part with; Devlin was a selfish but lonely rich boy whose toys replaced the love and affection absent from his life.
For his newfound strength to be true, strength in the absence of his destroyed effigy, then it couldn’t also be true that he’d gone into the water because of Kimmy.
Therefore it wasn’t true.
He was drunk; he was clumsy.
But he was free.
*
The weekend had begun with the surprise announcement of her impending arrest. Its inciting incident had been the alert her husband had almost drowned in freezing water and was almost dead from hypothermia. He’d tried to step off the edge of the world because she’d created an existence too cruel to abide. Then a wonderful moment of reflection where she saw her nasty self in the eyes of others. None of what she’d done now made any sense. She’d carried an enormous load up staggering heights for what reason? To show people she could do it? And now what? Now she’d dropped it all; only a step from the top, and all she’d assumed and tended and cared for now lay broken below. And here she was, still near the top of the ladder and wondering whether her path would be up or down. Her hands were empty. Her load unburdened.
The summer had been a high like no other. The spring produced an existential rift, a tectonic-sized one, and as the unavoidable tsunami came to shore, she’d got up and surfed the crest. But now all around her was the devastation that no could have believed she would avoid. There had been glory in the hubris. Only a cold emptiness remained.
It felt good to cry. Out in the living room was the man she’d fallen in love with and swore to devote herself to. They were supposed to forge a union and start a family. Josh sat huddled in blankets watching movies, his back to her, saying not much more than simple sentences.
The act of caring for him seemed false. Even to her. She would love to go to the kitchen and make him dumplings or something he loved. Would love to sit on the couch at his side and watch movies and laugh and be close. That was gone now. Irretrievable.
There had been a time in the summer where she’d thought the only way out of this whole complication she’d begin with Devlin was to push through. To commit to the sin and cross her fingers and hope Josh would fold, or even convince himself it was his own idea. There had been no harm in trying, she’d pondered. The damage had been done.
But she’d been wrong about that.
She slunk off the foot of the bed and went into the bathroom, took a towel to her eyes and cheeks. The mirror told her nothing. Old Kimmy was there. Meek Kimmy Chang; the one too timid to tame the world. The one content with little. The one cheated from the future her youth had promised; cheated by her mother’s death and her family’s nuclear dissolution.
This was spiritual death. And it came not all at once, but in agonizing gasps.
She changed into fresh cotton, dumped the things she had bought for hospital comfort into the laundry, tied her hair back and left the bedroom. Josh still watched TV, his back to her, not saying anything as she entered. She bypassed the couch and the TV, went into the kitchen, and, not knowing what to do with herself, opened cupboards, checked the fridge. Brought out ingredients for dumplings, some hopeful part of her in charge now. She wrecked it by asking Josh before she’d begun: “Do you want dumplings for dinner?” Josh said he didn’t. She said, “If I make some, would you bring them to work for your lunch?”
“No, thanks.”
She packed away the ingredients, poured a glass of water, but had trouble swallowing it. A tight, dreadful knot formed just above her collarbone. She tried massaging it, but it wasn’t the kind of tightness that could be relieved that way. Her chest was tight, her breaths short.
She dumped the glass and put it in the dishwasher, went into the living room, stood behind the couch, behind Josh, asked him what he was watching.
“I don’t know,” he said. “Some reality shit. These guys have rentals in Australia, trying to see who has the best.”
“Is it good?”
“It’s fine.”
She was too afraid to sit. Afraid he would shoo her away. She said, “Are you going to go to work tomorrow?”
“I feel fine. There’s no reason not to. I don’t want to. Samara and Gabrielle will be there.” He shook his head, lowered it, sighed. “Maybe I’ll stay at home.”
His honesty seemed like an opening and she sat down on the chair beside the couch, facing his side. “You could take the day off.”
“No,” he said, not looking at her, eyes on the television. “Maybe that makes it a bigger deal. Maybe if I show up on Monday, it’s like it wasn’t too bad.”
Words of solace stuck in her tight throat. Anything she said right now in support of his trial by cold would be thrown back at her. It’s all your fault! Why are you even sitting in here?
“It’s so fucking awful,” he said with a dying man’s sigh. “So humiliating.”
There were things she’d like to say. Like how Gabrielle and Samara probably were worried about him. They didn’t see the event the way he imagined it. They wouldn’t see him as a tragic figure who’d walked off the end of a dock after his wife had destroyed him. Josh thought they saw him the way he saw himself.
She said nothing. Josh watched TV in silence, hair messy, eyes tired, luggage sagging below them; his beard was shaggy. Somehow he looked good this way, and she wished she could sit beside him. But right now, he repelled her with an unseen force, like they were polar opposites. She said, “I’m going to go to the store. I want to send flowers and something nice to those two girls. I’ll pick up a card.” She rose. “Do you want anything while I’m out?”
Josh didn’t look up, his expression unchanged. “I suppose you’ll go to work tomorrow?”
She was drawn to the seat, felt like collapsing, but stayed standing. Just come clean. What was the point anymore? There was nothing to salvage. Tell him you took money and you don’t even know why. Tell him you took it sometimes to prove to yourself Devlin was a simpleton. Tell him you even did it sometimes because he’d been mean to you when she’d warned him already. Tell him how you used Devlin’s money to get a tailored suit for him to wear to the ball game.
Tell him you’re going to go to work tomorrow to discover your fate. Tell him tomorrow night you might be in jail or at least in a room somewhere in the city, talking to the RCMP.
She slumped, drooping her chin to her chest, imagining Josh not waiting for her when they released her. Maybe no one would wait for her.
She said, “I have to.”
Josh nodded once, unimpressed but putting on a mask of indifference.
Comments
One Night in Cleveland by Ben Boswell didn't work for me. But his The Crush an Affair in three parts hits the sweet spot!
Andrew Mellein
2024-05-11 04:26:58 +0000 UTCA Lockdown Affair by MS was pretty good as well. Although, again passive husband and wife got off too easy.
Chris K
2024-05-11 00:50:30 +0000 UTCYeah, was gonna say in the part that says... "Reseñas más importantes de otros países" but got desperately hungry or thirsty... and afterwards forgot. Still just as there are a lot of Bills I imagine there are a lot of Traceys too.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-05-11 00:30:40 +0000 UTCThat's what I am thinking. Maybe as payback for the chair. It's going to destroy Josh. And I think that will be the end of their marriage!
Andrew Mellein
2024-05-10 22:42:34 +0000 UTCI'd be surprised if Kimmy confessed to all that out of the blue. I imagine it could happen from another run-in with Devlin. Maybe it's just Devlin and Josh, and Devlin might relate it just to rub Josh's face in it.
Pete
2024-05-10 22:05:47 +0000 UTCI just want to find about Amy and those mysterious texts and if Kimmy will ever tell Josh about the time she laughed at him behind his back with Devlin after he ate out Devlins creampie!
Andrew Mellein
2024-05-10 21:52:13 +0000 UTCKimmy seems increasingly like the alien from "Alien." And if that's the case then, as Ripley said, there is only one way to go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q
Donkatsu
2024-05-10 18:23:36 +0000 UTCWell said, Glaucon. I am in total agreement.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-05-10 18:15:47 +0000 UTCHey, I can't argue with that. This is the best thing KT has written to date, regardless of how it ends. I personally would prefer the HEA route, but given how things have gone so far, that's a stretch. Probably more so then your Stone Sr. Hypothesis. After all, you're right, Devlin had to learn how to be a monumental asshole somewhere. And no matter how downtrodden she is right now, that part of Kimmy that likes to be dark is still in there. Waiting, stalking, wanting out.
L_S87
2024-05-10 18:01:25 +0000 UTCActually, I can just pretend. I'm going to put my fingers in my ears and say "La la la, I can't hear you!" Okay, I agree, no more philosophy. You and I won't ever see eye to eye on this, and that's fine. We'll find something else we do agree on next chapter and discuss that instead.
L_S87
2024-05-10 17:56:02 +0000 UTCAlso Max Sebastian gots a couple cheating hot wife books where the husband is passive. I like books where the husband is devastated like Devil in the Waters. Although I like Annie’s Affair!
Andrew Mellein
2024-05-10 17:55:15 +0000 UTCYes, I felt that series had a lot of similarities to Devil in the Waters. With both wives having an affair and then to placate their guilt trying to unleash their husbands hot wife kink. But Cleveland didn’t succeed for me because the wife gets to have both her lover and husband in the end. Even though she cheated and they have a couple of young kids! Ben even says he thought the husband was the despicable one because he found out and forced his wife to have rough anal in their threesome sex scene. Because after the affair she and her husband moves into hotwifery with the lover. But the husband didn’t know about the affair. I disagree with Ben his wife cheated and fell in love with another man. Devil in the Waters works because for the most part it avoids the hot wife trope and Josh is a reluctant observer with fantasies. Ben does write some good books however!
Andrew Mellein
2024-05-10 17:47:22 +0000 UTCYeah, assuming the story is not extended, I doubt there is any kind of subplot with Sr getting involved with Kimmy/Josh in a sexual way. It’s going to be about how he reacts to what Kimmy did, and whether she can successfully get him to focus more on Devlin being incompetent, and not noticing she was stealing, than in her actually stealing the money. At least that’s what I see his part being. If he gets to the point where he boots his son from the company, even if she’s fired as well, she’ll see that as a win right now.
JL23
2024-05-10 14:23:02 +0000 UTCYou can't just pretend that a modern idea is integral to all human history, though it's a bit of a give away that you then go on to compare it to generalisation about some of the most divisive and pernicious instincts... so you do understand what I'm getting at. Murder and genocide are also part of any assessment of humanity, therefore that makes your argument that we ALL do it pretty flimsy... I never argue about philosophy. I argue using understanding, language and sophistry in its original sense. Philosophy is like an elephants' graveyard. And the full stop is in abeyance. I said I'd try not to interfere with people's pleasure. Don't poke me when I'm voluntarily trying to hibernate. The vote about what defines humanity came in a long time ago... homo sapiens. Try as we may, nobody has yet come up with anything less inclusive than that...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-05-10 14:09:24 +0000 UTCHahaha 😂🤣😂. You're 💯 percent right, Donkatsu! I can't hide it. Love these characters. Love this story. Book 20, Book 24, spinoff series...I'm jonesing for more! 😃
Pete
2024-05-10 13:49:49 +0000 UTCLet's face it, Pete, you are jonesing for at least Book 15, and maybe 16. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Donkatsu
2024-05-10 13:43:27 +0000 UTCAndrew, please keep going with this comment. It looks as if you hit return prematurely. I like Ben and his premises, but agree with you about the conclusion of "Cleveland"
Donkatsu
2024-05-10 13:41:46 +0000 UTCYes I agree! It seems weird to introduce Stone sr. and Kimmy after everything that has happened.
Andrew Mellein
2024-05-10 13:20:34 +0000 UTCAnd yet throughout history, every major power tended to stereotype their enemies. Or a group of people that they saw as lesser and made them slaves. The Bible is chock full of it. So, yes, the term may have been coined recently, but humanity has been making assumptions about itself based on race, religion, ethnicity, governance and a number of other things for millenia. Certainly it's proliferation on any number of topics has been helped by media, and the internet has only made it worse. But I reiterate, regardless of what you want to call it, to paint with a broad brush is integral to being human. We all do it. Period.
L_S87
2024-05-10 02:15:04 +0000 UTCI feel like this would have made a lot of sense if it had been introduced, bit by bit, after we were introduced, briefly, to Stone Sr. many books ago. Unfortunately, it doesn't really make much sense now, because we're at the end, so we'd never get all the thrills you describe. Of course, it could be hinted at and just left hanging for us to imagine, but I honestly don't think that's where this is headed. I could be wrong, and I do think there's a chance that Sr. keeps her on a leash from a business perspective, but it would be an odd sell to have Sr. take up Jr's sloppy seconds.
L_S87
2024-05-10 02:03:59 +0000 UTCAnother ERROR I think... "There had been a time in the summer where she’d thought the only way out of this whole complication she’d begin with Devlin was to push through. " Should be "this whole complication she’d 'begun' with Devlin" Right?
Bill F Protagoras
2024-05-10 01:06:30 +0000 UTCI post on Amazon.au though
Tracey52
2024-05-10 01:05:47 +0000 UTCYes
Tracey52
2024-05-10 01:05:06 +0000 UTC"Walter Lipmann (1899–1974), who coined the term “stereotype,” considered stereotyping an essentially modern phenomenon—modern in that its diffusion and impact supposedly rested on a range of contemporary mass media and large, literate audiences."
Bill F Protagoras
2024-05-09 23:00:06 +0000 UTCI dunno, VN-era helo jockeys can give the nitro heads a run for the money for sheer insanity.
Donkatsu
2024-05-09 22:34:19 +0000 UTCI like your qualification of "or at least wouldn't openly/fully indulge it." It's possible Josh's resistance has been based on that...an inability or unwillingness to accept what and who he really is, and what he craves.
Pete
2024-05-09 20:47:14 +0000 UTCOkay, I see it now. Makes sense when you think of it from the standpoint that these three individuals were tightly connected and a few wrong moves have caused a significant ripple effect to everyone they are associated with like Meyer, Karina, Stone Sr, Quinn etc. Kimmy is Josh's team mate, but she's bump drafting Devlin by Josh, and then Devlin makes a sudden move that spins Josh out. Josh collects both Devlin and Kimmy in his wreck, along with a bunch of other innocents. Thus you have restrictor plate racing at a mythical Toronto oval. And now Josh is in the garage refusing to talk to Kimmy because he's pissed she was bumping his most detested rival. Okay, nevermind my top fuel reference. I like yours better. Though I'll still fight you that nothing beats the hammer in your chest of a 330mph blown nitro burner. Except maybe those top fuel Harley guys. They're insane. Like, make Kimmy look logical insane.
L_S87
2024-05-09 20:37:13 +0000 UTCI had suggested much the same in an earlier reply to another’s comment. Would like to see it
John
2024-05-09 20:25:41 +0000 UTCAgree Josh participation would require a bit of character development, but I offer that while Josh wasn’t into his own submission/darkness or at least wouldn’t openly/fully indulge it - it’s possible he could pivot to gradually indulge himself find some dark pleasure in Kimmy’s newly found shame, humiliation.
John
2024-05-09 20:25:03 +0000 UTCGreat minds may differ on this vital point 😎. I thought of NASCAR because of the close formation aspect, a feature critical to Kimmy's concept of the triumvirate (K,J,D) moving together into the libertine convergence, or something, until somebody bumps someone else at 200 mph. Then it all goes boom - the principals crash, along with another 5-10 collateral damage cars. But dragster crashes can be pretty cool, too, as long as I am not the one cartwheeling along the track at >100 mph. New or rebuilt, that is an interesting question. Josh wants rebuilt, I think, with some mods, including a governor on both the overall power output and the acceleration rate. He has become used to the sounds and smell of the racing environment. He would miss that.
Donkatsu
2024-05-09 18:44:59 +0000 UTCI kind if see this like a Top Fuel dragster. Kimmy was full speed ahead and the engine just backfired, popped the supercharger and there's a massive fireball coming from the wreckage. Sometimes you can rebuild the block with new parts, and sometimes it's junk and requires a new engine or even chassis. What does Josh want? Rebuilt or new? KT will show us. I hope.
L_S87
2024-05-09 14:10:13 +0000 UTCPart of being human is also having different points of view. None of us here are ever going to 100% agree on how we perceive Kimmy's or Josh's actions. And that's a good thing. Telling others how they should interpret KT's wonderful writing is wrong, but sharing your opinion in an effort to provide different context and additional insight, however, is what makes this place great. I can't even count the number of times I read something here, had a take on it, read something you or CSH or someone else (who, admittedly, I don't always agree with) posted and had to do a full stop and reassess because it was like an epiphany. It's okay that you and I disagree how we view Kimmy and what we think she should do next. At some point we'll see what KT has in store for the grand finale. And then we can discuss that too! One last disagreement: Stereotyping is *integral* to being human. We don't need to have a philosophical discussion on it in the middle of Kimmy's and Josh's tragedy, but it's just something else that makes us different. Which is good. Because if we all viewed KT's writing the same, well, this place would be awful boring. We'd put KT to sleep.
L_S87
2024-05-09 13:57:14 +0000 UTCThe one who appears on the review page of each of KT's novels on my machine on Amazon.es.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-05-09 12:23:09 +0000 UTCSo you are 'that' Tracey... and I am a dunce!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-05-09 12:04:25 +0000 UTCEyeless in Gaza... blinded by vainglory. Devlin taking the tie she gifted Josh to tart him up, to deprive her of the sight of HIS (D's) perennial victim. How many levels of irony did you get out of that enactment of sexual ritual?
Bill F Protagoras
2024-05-09 11:47:21 +0000 UTCIf what she did gets out, it's all a moot point anyway. At the very least I don't personally feel like Josh wants at-home basket Kimmy, presumably they were happily together for years while she was a working lawyer in a different setting, and I don't recall any implication he'd ever begrudged her whatever she wanted to do professionally in the past. If anything, given the circumstances it's somewhat compassionate of him to support her turn to baskets if that was what she needed to do in the moment to heal after the miscarriage.
Glaucon
2024-05-09 02:44:24 +0000 UTCStereotyping is not treating a person as a human being... My criteria has always been to examine the evidence presented throughout the novel. So Kimmy has always been what KT presents her as, possibly the central enigma of this novel with Josh as a very close second. This being because throughout the novel, except for a brief well earned hiatus, he has been investigating her actions and motives as a painful vitally intriguing culprit in the unravelling of their life. He is a kind of detective crippled by his own involvement in the investigation. As is gradually becoming painfully clearer to her, she has been under the presumptuous egregious misapprehension that she knew and understood him better than he understood himself. At the moment she hesitates to act because it has become more and more evident to her that her previous actions have been, in fact, detrimental to what she had forgotten was the core destination in the journey she began that became the trail of destruction she has inadvertently wrought. From now on I shall try harder to allow you to read the book we are all immersed in, in the way youse all see fit. Keeping my own counsel. Excepting the author, of course, to whom I feel I owe a debt of gratitude... whether she likes it or not. The reader is the writer's gadfly.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-05-09 00:57:13 +0000 UTCI agree Tracey... I see it as the measure of the challenge KT has set herself. She has certainly been acquitting herself splendidly up to now. What unknown disappointment would we have had, if we hadn't received that urgent alert? Or if we had voted otherwise?
Bill F Protagoras
2024-05-09 00:34:02 +0000 UTCI think that would help on a surface level, but if Kimmy ends up being under Senior's thumb, is she, and by association, Josh, any better off? Josh might think in the near term he is, but at some point, issues would start to occur, and the truth would leak out. That's assuming Sr. treats Kimmy that way. There is a chance she goes legit and Sr. Gives her autonomy to fix Devlin's mistakes while giving Devlin the boot. In that scenario, I think your implication is right. Josh might be okay with her staying. Hopefully next chapter gives us "the day" and we find out at least a portion of Kimmy's future.
L_S87
2024-05-09 00:19:21 +0000 UTCI'm curious what further part Stone Sr. might play. I feel like KT introducing him was much like an early scene from the movie "Jaws" where you see just the shark's fin above the surface of the water. It's just a fin, but you know full well the raw, violent power that it portends, as that ominous music begins to play. Why introduce a shark, and then never let him bite? This shark now has leverage on Kimmy. He could attack directly, but...what if he didn't? Imagine that Stone Sr. secretly presents Josh with an ultimatum to choose one of the following: Option 1. Stone Sr. will send Kimmy to prison. Josh will be free of his unfaithful wife, for a very long time; or 2. Stone Sr. will refrain from pressing charges, and Kimmy will remain free. But only so long as Josh ensures that Kimmy behaves in ways that... "keep a smile"... on Stone Senior's face. Why make Josh do it? Maybe Devlin's penchant for cruelty is inherited. Maybe Stone Sr. gets off on the notion of making Josh "do it to himself." Making him keep secrets from his wife, manipulating her "for her own good." And if Josh fails to keep that smile on Stone Senior's face, Josh will blame himself for sending his own wife to prison. Now, if only this were cuckold/hotwife erotica: Then that twist could really take a steamy turn!
Pete
2024-05-09 00:04:39 +0000 UTCThis is already turning out to be one of the best cheating wife erotic novels of all time! It's up there with Annie's Affair by Kenny Wright as the most realistic one in my opinion. One that doesn't hit the mark unfortunately is One Night in Cleveland by Ben Boswell. I disagree with Ben I think the wife got off scot free without any serious repercussions such as divorce. I
Andrew Mellein
2024-05-08 23:44:54 +0000 UTCMe too. It’s so sad, but beautifully written.
Kat
2024-05-08 22:49:51 +0000 UTCIt shouldn’t be but it’s amazing that even though we’re nearing the end, there are still so many ways this story could go
Tracey52
2024-05-08 22:46:52 +0000 UTCUnless Devlin goes
Tracey52
2024-05-08 22:33:48 +0000 UTCI totally agree. Even though Kimmy did awful things, she shouldn’t have to give up her career, and stay home for Josh. That’s not fair, and probably what started her down the dark path with Devlin. But, how will she be hireable now if what she did at Stone gets out?
Kat
2024-05-08 21:38:07 +0000 UTCGood analogy... and joke, D!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-05-08 21:36:45 +0000 UTCI liked that part, as sad as it was, where Josh said he wouldn’t hold out his hand to her anymore. This isn’t Josh’s mess to clean up. As much as he was turned on by what Kimmy did, he knows she lied and betrayed him with the worst person in the world. I don’t think it’s so much the acts that Kimmy did with Devlin that’s keeping Josh from forgiving her. It’s the lying that he can’t get past. There was so much lying, some of it done right in front of his face (Cayman). Kimmy should have to work hard to win him back. She needs to quit her job, whether or not it causes her harm. I think the connection with Devlin has to be severed before Josh can even consider anything with her. There’s also the baby. How can he stay in this marriage when she may be pregnant with his bully’s baby? She wants Josh, but she wants him the easy way. Telling him some of the truth, sleeping with Hyun and jerking off Devlin, for whatever reason, has to stop. I think Josh seems more disgusted with Kimmy and Devlin’s affair now than before when the thoughts of it turned him on. To him she’s not the same. I don’t know how she changes this, because the changes she will need to make will require her to give up the new lifestyle and power she loves. And to be fair, part of this happened because she was depressed, working in a lower paying job, and then making cat baskets at home. She’s not going to do that again. Who knows? She may end up disbarred, but I doubt it. L_S you said in another post about Kimmy ending up being stuck at the job, because of the threat of charges, disbarment, etc. I can see that happening, too. That would never work for Josh. They can’t be together with any type of contact with Devlin or his company.
Kat
2024-05-08 21:35:42 +0000 UTCBill, we cling to that because Kimmy has shown us that's who she is. We all know the definition of insanity. Until Kimmy chooses to change, she will be judged on her actions. It's not as if none of us have shown her compassion. Certainly, even in this very chapter, a number of us who are critical of her still want to see her find a way to succeed at keeping her marriage intact. I find it funny that you display the same sort or criticality of "us" for how we view Kimmy as we have of Kimmy herself. I don't have to forgive her actions as just her "being human" anymore than Josh does. But, I think Josh does want to forgive her, but only if she's willing to meet him at a place he feels comfortable being. In this case, that's a place very uncomfortable for her. If she's willing to make that leap, I'll be happy for her. I wouldn't say this is solely her mess to clean up, but she's got the lions share. And I'm happy with KT bucking trends and providing a miracle. Josh might deserve Karina, but I'm a sucker for an HEA where they win the battle against all odds saying they shouldn't be together.
L_S87
2024-05-08 21:34:24 +0000 UTCAll the lust, greed, lies, treachery, and other BS are still lurking just below the surface in Kimmy. She knows it, Josh knows it. At this point it devolves to behavior - can they just be nice enough to one another for long enough to avoid a multi-car NASCAR wreck? {A woman goes to the dentist to have a new filling drilled out. He approaches her, drill in hand and before he starts the work she grabs him by the balls and squeezes hard. Finally, as he is gasping she says "we're not going to hurt each other, are we?"} I guess we will find out tomorrow. Great writing, KT.
Donkatsu
2024-05-08 21:32:07 +0000 UTCYou're 100% right on this, JL. It's very easy to be hypercritical of Kimmy because of all her awful actions and manipulations, but none of those are necessarily tied to her being a successful lawyer. They're simply indicative of the circumstances of which she found herself in at that moment in time. I feel like Kimmy could be that successful person without all negative baggage, but it requires both of them decoupling her high profile work from the cheating and scandalous activities. Everything is so intwined at the moment, that doing so will probably be a difficult proposition. I feel like Josh would be okay with a successful Kimmy, because he likes it when she takes charge and pushes. But any such activities would have to be in a different job and setting. At this point, her work at Stone is so tainted, Josh won't ever trust it. But that's Kimmys fault, and up to her to find a way to rectify it. If she can.
L_S87
2024-05-08 21:23:34 +0000 UTCTo be fair to Kimmy (and critical of Josh)...something I'm probably not accused of doing much: I don't think it's totally fair that he now equates smart, successful and yes, sexy Kimmy as a bad thing, and the mousier version we saw at the beginning as his ideal. I get that he associates, let's call her "supermodel" Kimmy with all of the bad things that have occurred, and also there's more than a little self-doubt that he's even worthy of being with that Kimmy. But there's no reason Kimmy needs to be holed up in an apartment making baskets for him to be with her. Sometimes it feels like that's what Josh wants back, and that's not fair to Kimmy, no matter what she's done.
JL23
2024-05-08 21:01:54 +0000 UTCThank you. I said to myself in what way are they most alike and it came to me...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-05-08 20:40:47 +0000 UTCDamn, Bill. Gotta love this - “I suppose it was inevitable that two people so adept at hiding would eventually conceal themselves from each other. “ That’s perfectly stated.
CSH
2024-05-08 20:35:32 +0000 UTCI don't remember a single miracle KT has ever given to a bad girl... Also even though much has been revealed you and others cling to the same idea of Kimmy as an immovable object, not a human being. By which I mean an iceberg of a person the greater part out of sight not a stereotype, not easy to categorise and predict.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-05-08 20:35:12 +0000 UTCYou'll note, Bill, I never said it was easy. That's why she's avoiding it. Before because it didn't fit with her dark plans, now because she's scared of how Josh will react. Point being, she doesn't really have anything else in her arsenal at the moment. Doing nothing is a choice too, but it doesn't win her Josh, or at least I don't think it does. Making herself vulnerable to him gives Josh all the power. I think that's what he wants. Kimmy is afraid of it because it's probably not even a coin flip's odds that he chooses her at this point. So she's waiting for a miracle. Maybe KT gives her one? We'll see.
L_S87
2024-05-08 20:22:35 +0000 UTCYou guys have it right, and so does Josh when he notes that any sort of forgiveness or amelioration on his part, in the past, has been taken as tacit acceptance and a green light to manipulate him further, dragging them both deeper into darkness. Josh has clearly decided he doesn't want this, hence why he's so unresponsive to Kimmy. He knows what she's craving, and he refuses to give because he's been bitten too many times. If she wants this, she's going to have to be the one to put it all out there in such a way that it shows Josh things truly are different this time. Dumplings won't cut it. Neither will going back to work. She's given him a lot of truth backed with manipulation. Now she needs to provide the rest of it in a way that makes it clear she gains *nothing* by telling him any of this. Put her neck on the line. She has a chance here and chickened out. She keeps kicking that can down the road and at some point she's going to come home to an empty house again and all of Josh's things will be gone. Then she'll get the joy of living her nightmare of seeing someone else make him happy. Hopefully (I think) she figures that out before it occurs. No risk, no reward, Kimmy.
L_S87
2024-05-08 19:42:00 +0000 UTCL_S, Kimmy is like everyone else she has frequently told the truth and rarely lied blatantly. She has used evasion and sophistry, she has hidden the truth. She has behaved like politicians, the media and the rich and the powerful. Occasionally she outright lies. Who doesn't? As for telling the truth if it's so easy why does everybody so sedulously avoid it? And if you don't think it's so, I can only hope it's because you're kidding yourself.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-05-08 19:36:54 +0000 UTCYou misjudged him, C, just like Kimmy did... he hid his light under a bushel. He learned early that people judge a book by it's cover so he made himself seem a light read. I suppose it was inevitable that two people so adept at hiding would eventually conceal themselves from each other. Practice makes perfect.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-05-08 19:24:14 +0000 UTCI'm not saying it couldn't go that way with Sr, but I don't see any scenario where Josh participates in that. It's just not his personality. We've had books and books to this point showing he's just not into this darkness to the level Kimmy is, which is most of their problem. Any such scenario with Sr would probably have Josh either trying to rescue her, or washing his hands of her altogether if Kimmy has shown she's amenable to Sr taking Devlin's place.
L_S87
2024-05-08 19:20:16 +0000 UTCI could see it happening, but it wouldn't be hardcore, as in under Kimmy's thumb and forced to do many things he abhors. I could, however, see a scenario, sans Devlin, where Kimmy and Josh dabble, since Josh admit here to liking some of it, just not the harder elements. A different person in Devlin's place, with Kimmy treating Josh as a partner? That could happen. But, it relies on Kimmy doing what she doesn't seem to want to do, even here. Tell the truth.
L_S87
2024-05-08 19:17:15 +0000 UTCReturning to overall genre which after all is supposed to be erotic…Possibly setting up Sr to do more than subjugate Kimmy in the workplace…witnessing her retribution might now be of interest to Josh given their broken connection.
John
2024-05-08 18:53:38 +0000 UTCKimmy rules! And Josh does too! Even in an interregnum. The nurse and the dog would recognise them, if they existed!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-05-08 18:50:02 +0000 UTCJust in case you're wondering KT, my heart is still on the side of the angels, the fallen ones who have been played with wantonly by overgrown boys.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-05-08 18:43:40 +0000 UTCAn unapologetic tour de force risen like a phoenix from the ashes of life!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-05-08 18:35:59 +0000 UTC"She slumped, drooping her chin to her chest, imagining Josh not waiting for her when they released her. Maybe no one would wait for her."
Bill F Protagoras
2024-05-08 18:35:17 +0000 UTC"Josh thought they saw him the way he saw himself." Physician heal thyself...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-05-08 18:30:22 +0000 UTC"But she’d been wrong about that."
Bill F Protagoras
2024-05-08 18:18:06 +0000 UTC"his back to her," Again...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-05-08 18:15:37 +0000 UTCThis feels near an end. What end isnt clear. I could see Kimmy avoiding prison, being essentially given Devlins position with the firm, but, perhaps still losing Josh. There are lots of other outcomes. As an advocate for the hardcore cuckold ending i now cant see that ending as in the cards. Maybe, ( what do i mean maybe, that should be certainly) KT can still surprise me. But, hey, Josh sure came along as a character there now didnt he?
CSH
2024-05-08 18:13:53 +0000 UTCERROR... It's a shame that in the midst of this of this 'previously on' wonderful metaphor of Kimmy's personal profound psychological and emotional misadventures I must point out... "But now all around her was the devastation that no... could have believed she would avoid."... no-one... nobody... or some incisive word I would not presume to guess at.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-05-08 18:09:36 +0000 UTCThis chapter almost had me crying for them. Both of them. So good.
Tracey52
2024-05-08 18:06:00 +0000 UTC"Therefore it wasn’t true. He was drunk; he was clumsy. But he was free." So credible, that fucking cat again, and you so crafty. Me so credulous and every one can see it as they will. But I have no choice but to see a single truth and trust in the author's taste. Also I know from experience that memory loss about a traumatic incident happens. And after 'recovering the memory' you can never truly rely on it's veracity. The mind like nature abhors a vacuum routinely taking stop gap measures with sight and hearing.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-05-08 17:52:59 +0000 UTC"She’d short-circuited. Malfunctioned. Went off the rails. And he’d been unaware, sitting in the passenger car as the train plunged down the slope to oblivion." Josh has woken... perhaps now he'll stop reacting to problems... and formulate his own horizon and perspective stop hiding from his own well proven confidence.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-05-08 17:23:07 +0000 UTC"This Kimmy carried their baby for a brief time in the spring." 'Woe me for thee, unhappy Proserpine'.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-05-08 17:05:06 +0000 UTCThis feels like Kimmy has given up. Not on wanting Josh, her language makes it clear the love is still there, she's just lost all hope of this being retrievable. I think it's finally hit her what she's done and she doesn't really know what to do about it. She wants Josh, but now believes what Karina told her. She doesn't deserve him. And she can't even reach out because she fears the confirmation of those feelings through rejection. And the little olive branch she offered got rejected just like she thought it would. Though given how she's used dumplings as manipulation in the past, she should have known that was coming. Josh thanking Kimmy and wanting to go home with her, to me, is a sign that he's open to forgiveness and them not breaking up, but he wants her to show him things will change. He said it himself, anytime he gave an inch, she took a mile. No more giving. He's going to wait and see what she gives him. I think he wants her to give him the truth. He wants her to stop with the games and just lay it out. It's why, imo, he asked about work. He was giving her an opening, and Kimmy failed. Again. If course, Josh doesn't know why that particular truth is so hard. If he did, it would make sense. But Kimmys fear of rejection makes her clam up. The big question is, what's worse? Getting arrested and Josh bailing her out or having Sr. approve her actions and thus now being stuck in that job, regardless of what Josh wants, because the spectre of charges will always loom over her head. No longer trapped by Devlin, but trapped by a job that Josh hates because of who, and what, he associates it with. I do think Josh would bail her out. She just came to save him, he will do the same for her. Not sure what happens after that. I think Sr. keeps her. Because disclosure of the theft also means disclosure of incompetence on his part, and a likely loss of customers after said disclosure due to a lack of trust.
L_S87
2024-05-08 17:00:29 +0000 UTC100%, JL. The story’s at a really interesting point to me. Kimmy’s character arc and the narrative arc generally practically begs for real consequences. But at the same time, the way the story’s been told and especially the way Kimmy’s true goals have been kept so close to the vest (as well as her almost unimpeded success up to this point, and the whole Devlin Sr scene) lean to a miraculous unscathed victory. I think it’s in part because this is not a very well-trodden genre, at least not to the serious, emotionally realistic, and excellently detailed degree that KT writes it in, so it really could be written either way. Which is exciting! Either way, I’m not betting on a particularly happy ending for Devlin lol.
Glaucon
2024-05-08 16:35:10 +0000 UTCI was going to say that in my earlier post. Josh has such low self esteem. He’s so brutal on himself. But, people like him. He has friends that care about him. He has so much trauma from his younger years, courtesy of Devlin, that it seems to have warped his development. And that’s why what Kimmy did makes it so much worse for them and their chances at staying together. And even if the baby is Josh’s, right now their relationship is completely broken. I was happy to see that Kimmy stayed and took him home. At least she did something right for a change. I also hope Kimmy has some sort of consequence for what she did at work, but I have a feeling she won’t which will embolden her again.
Kat
2024-05-08 16:34:50 +0000 UTCThat “content with little" line really stuck out to me. Did Kimmy have little? I know many that have less and don’t consider it “little”. I wonder if this is some of the Toronto area upper middle class commentary KT hinted at a while back. On the other hand, maybe this is an interpretation thing and it just means Kimmy felt like she didn’t need or ask for much, independent of what she actually had.
Glaucon
2024-05-08 16:27:40 +0000 UTCKimmy called it the "corpse" of a marriage last chapter, and that's sort of how it felt like in this chapter. That any previous relationship between these two is irretrievably broken. However, Monday is looming. We'll see if that changes anything. I could see it changing things for the better or for the worst, especially if she finds out there were no consequences. In a way, I think she needs to face something, otherwise she's likely to return to the idea she's invincible and can make anything happen through her will.
JL23
2024-05-08 16:25:48 +0000 UTCAs much as Kimmy is finally acknowledging some responsibility for her actions, she still follows many of the same patterns. It fits her patterns to largely forget about Hyun when it suits her. Much like how she’s treated Josh up to this point, the relationship is mostly about what Hyun can do for Kimmy. She’s going to have to reckon with that whole mess too if this is truly a turning point. As for Josh, he’s in (and has been basically for the whole story) an incredibly psychologically and emotionally fragile situation. I think his own self-esteem has taken such a beating through Kimmy’s actions he can’t accept the possibility of any suicidal ideation. Can we blame him for being anything less than totally emotionally honest in a relationship wherein he has been forced to learn again and again to his pain that honesty is punished with manipulation? This is a real and tragic consequence of a lack of trust in a relationship, to refer back to a discussion from a few chapters ago.
Glaucon
2024-05-08 16:24:10 +0000 UTCI’m glad Kimmy stayed with Josh and took him home. I wish she would just tell him the truth, why she has to go to work in the morning. After everything she’s done to him, this is almost forgivable. It’s almost like she had some kind of manic episode over the summer and fall. Josh still loves her, and he may be able to understand it better if she was just honest. This passage really touched me, “The mirror told her nothing. Old Kimmy was there. Meek Kimmy Chang; the one too timid to tame the world. The one content with little. The one cheated from the future her youth had promised; cheated by her mother’s death and her family’s nuclear dissolution.” I think a lot of people can relate to this. It shows so much of the why she’s done the things she’s done. It’s also sad that she’s still so young, and has done so much to ruin her own life, but that she also thinks she’s irredeemable. Everyone deserves a chance at redemption. Josh seems to be thinking more clearly about his relationship with Kimmy, and is standing his ground about needing space. It’s concerning that he’s trying to deny that he went in the water on his own, but it doesn’t seem like Kimmy is buying it. It’s interesting that in this chapter Kimmy doesn’t once think about Hyun. Is she going to continue to be with her “girlfriend” behind Josh’s back? She’s been having some sobering moments lately, but she’s also selfish without much self control. I so hope she’s turning a corner. She can still be wicked, still seek revenge, but without hurting Josh. This is such wonderful writing, KT. I feel so much for both of them. It’s sad, but there’s much beauty in your writing, too.
Kat
2024-05-08 15:11:16 +0000 UTC