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DITW 15-5: Twelve Crops of Fruit

Josh asked her if it was them dining alone and she told him it was.

“We need to talk,” she said.

Josh agreed with her. “Right. We do.”

Hyun had set the table for them. A place setting for two, Kimmy at the head of the table, Josh’s place setting at her side. The sun set fast in October, and while it was early, the brighter outside light had faded from the windows, leaving the dull reflective squares in the color of unwashed denim.

She had never been more nervous in her life. Josh sat at her new dining room table, a long washed-oak handcrafted table she and Hyun had bought in Guelph and had delivered. Josh.

A man it had taken a whole year to prepare for. So much had to be in place before she would ever be able to receive Josh as a guest in her home. Really, in their home. She had used their money as a down payment and Josh had never even asked her why the money was gone.

The beard was an amazing contribution. Josh hid behind it (and she had no idea his beard would be so thick), but also projected a masculinity that surprised her.

Their dinner was a buffet style, the servings presented under covers on the table’s center, congregated to one end. She removed the closest lid covering the pottery casserole dish, saying, “I made dumplings.”

She watched Josh’s thickly bearded face, looking for a smile. He showed a reluctant one, a mildly pleasant curve restrained by pain.

“You love them,” she reminded him.

“I know I do,” he said. “That’s why I’m smiling. I do love them. I always did.”

She closed the lid and dipped her chin. “Hyun made them. I was . . . I was in Cambodia for the whole last week.”

Josh looked away. She saw the strange injury her husband suffered from her proxy-made dumplings and reached out to hold his wrist, showed him her most earnest expression describing the demanding week she’d just endured. “I wanted to make them for you, but I couldn’t. It’s my recipe. My mother’s.”

“I don’t mind that, it’s . . . Dumplings are the last thing we need to talk about, don’t you think?”

Her hand slipped from his wrist and she sat back in the chair. “We have a lot to talk about. There’s Colleen...”

Josh’s mouth tweaked to one side, the sign of a smile. She leaned forward again and touched his arm, rested her hand on it. She smiled as well, so deeply relieved that Josh accepted his daughter. Saw that she was his daughter with no extracurricular convincing.

Josh turned her way. “It’s a beautiful name, Kimmy. You must be happy about it.”

While not intended as an insult, there was a twist in what he’d said, one revealed in his tone; an unthreatening snideness. “Yes,” she admitted. “Eileen . . . Eileen had a baby boy. Andrew. He’s gorgeous.” Colleen was their mother’s name. If Eileen had given birth to a girl, Eileen would have been the one who named their daughter after their mother. She’d got there first.

Josh lifted the lid on the casserole dish and loaded two dumplings onto his plate. “You’re good at getting what you want.”

“Just luck, Josh,” she said, hurt by his barb. Benign as it was, Josh still had shields up, wanting to resist her. Maybe still hating her.

Josh bit into Hyun’s dumpling. “Someone’s looking out for you, I guess.”

She studied his profile, watched him chew. Josh had endured a terrible year. All the things his wife had done to him, then, according to Meyer, Josh had to take a leave of absence from Swanson. For mental health. Sophie had reported back that Uncle Josh was fine, but Sophie also conveyed a hidden worry. While Sophie reported Josh was “fine,” Sophie didn’t like how Josh had changed. And he had changed, she could see it herself now. His eyes betrayed a lot of concealed wounding.

She moved some dumplings onto her own plate, but had lost her appetite. “Meyer said you’re going back to work.”

Josh nodded. “Yeah. It’s time. I’m going back in on Wednesday.”

“The same as before?”

“I don’t think I’ll be going to Rome anytime soon, but, yeah, the same as before.”

Josh would have to earn their trust again. Have to show them he was still the solid and dependable guy he had been. Swanson couldn’t change his employment terms, not when he’d suffered a breakdown of sorts. He’d been in Rome for almost four months after they’d separated. That meant the last eight months he’d lived on disability. “It was your mom who told me you were going back. Meyer only confirmed it.”

Josh chewed and swallowed. “You talked to her this week?”

She nodded. Josh’s mother only knew they were separated, not that she’d been pregnant, and not that she’d borne her granddaughter. “On Facebook,” she said.

“Yeah. Your dad messages me on Facebook, too. Just checking in with me. Or he used to. I haven’t heard from him in a while.”

“He doesn’t like being online,” she said, turning her eyes down. “He asks me about you all the time.”

Josh leaned back from the table, sighing, his brow looking heavy. “I don’t think . . . I don’t think I want to eat.” He lifted his glass of sparkling water and sipped. When he put the glass back down, his eyes looked across the table, away from her. “How about your work? Meyer said you went back right after you gave birth.”

“I did,” she said.

“Says you’re not a lawyer anymore. Hyun told him you’re an executive.”

Her stomach tightened. Her own brow slumped, an oncoming storm on the horizon set to rock this table with some pretty big waves. “That’s right.”

“It looks like you’re doing well.” His eyes roamed the room.

“We can figure out the money later. I don’t want to talk about that tonight. I want to talk about us.”

“I don’t care about the money, Kimmy. You took the money to buy a house. Buy a house for our daughter. That’s what we saved that money for.”

She exhaled, bowed her head, determined not to sully the evening with talk of money. “It’s more complicated than that.”

“I bet it is,” Josh said, nodding.

“Okay,” she said, voice faded to a whisper. She cleared her throat and took a deep breath. “I’m at Stone. Stone Brokerage.”

Josh didn’t blow up, didn’t storm out. He accepted it, rolled it over in his mind then closed his eyes. “You told me you left and burned your bridge.”

“I did. All of that was true.”

Josh opened his watery eyes and regarded her. “Doesn’t sound like it was true.”

She didn’t respond right away, letting Josh rebuild his confidence after the news she remained at Stone, determined there would be no fight between them. She said, “It’s not the way it was before.”

Josh rolled his head away, looking like the urge to flee had hooked him. “That’s good,” he said, crackling with dry sarcasm.

“I’m not in my old position,” she said.

Josh groaned, the groan dragging out to a breathy chuckle while he shook his head. She saw the insinuation now, the dirty double entendre: we all know what position you used to have. Josh picturing his wife on her back with her legs up.

“I run it, Josh. I run Stone. I run Stone in Toronto.”

Josh stopped wagging his head, the attitude of the long-suffering man fading for a moment as he contemplated the pronouncement, his eyes darting over his plate and the untouched food. “But that was Devlin’s job.” He looked her way, brow crinkled.

“Devlin moved away, Josh,” she said. “Very far away.”

Josh eased a little but there was no mood for relief. He nodded his head, pursed his lips. “How far?”

“Vancouver, I think.”

Josh sat back from the table, stored energy building up and riling him. “Oh. I was just there a few months ago, I could have visited him.”

A small snuffling laugh escaped her and she smiled. Josh didn’t. Josh didn’t see any humor right now. But it wasn’t that there was anything funny, it’s just that there was no other more fitting response from the man she’d married. It was the perfect “Josh” response.

But Josh grew sombre. “That explains you and him.”

“Me and who?”

“You and Stone,” he said, jaw muscles flexing. He regarded her. “You and Devlin’s dad.”

“Oh,” she whispered, retreating from the table now, too, sitting back and crossing one leg over the other. “It does.”

  *

Kimmy reacted with calm control; somewhat bothered, yet ready to address the hardships of life to her long-suffering and milquetoast man. “I heard about the picture,” she said. “The $14,000 picture.”

Josh snorted, bothered, annoyed, not finding any humor in Meyer’s callous labeling of his own cousin’s heartbreak. And hurt that Kimmy would. “Well, it was a strange way for me to find out.”

“Should I have called you?”

He grumbled, annoyed with her, studying her, divining her attitude from the words she used. They were challenging and dismissive. Before he could even consider a response, Kimmy had a follow-up.

“Did you call me when you dated Karina?”

He thumbed his cheek, looking near her but not at her. He hadn’t expected her to say that. “Maybe you have a point,” he said, regretting the sharp turn dinner had taken. Maybe she didn’t think he had the right to question her dating choices. They were married but separated. But not legally separated. They had a child together. And yet, he hadn’t talked to her. He hadn’t come to see his baby. But now that he had come, it was so clear: the longer he stayed away, the longer it was possible Colleen was his child. By staying away, he’d preserved the fondest of his possibilities: that something was salvageable from what he’d considered the most important aspect of his life; a sound, loving relationship with the woman he married. He said, “I don’t want to fight.”

Kimmy put her elbows on the table and intertwined her fingers, regarding him through slimmed eyes. “How is Karina?”

He shrugged. “We’re not dating.”

“You were, though.”

“Kind of. Yeah, I guess. It’s not what you’re thinking.”

“I don’t think about it, Josh. We’ve been apart. I have no right to make any claims of dismay I might have about it.”

“So, Stone, huh? How did that happen? I mean, the last time we talked, you know, face to face, you told me you burned the bridge, you started something you couldn’t stop. You told me I’d try to save you, and you didn’t want that. Yet, here you are.” He gestured to the table, then the house. He gestured toward her. Looking beautiful. Nestled in a perfect house. With their baby. Wearing fine clothes. Back to work. No maternity leave. No maternity leave because she had Hyun. “How did you end up with everything? How did you wind up with everything and I have nothing? What was it that I might have tried to save you from? Because, you know, I didn’t save you. I stayed away. Far, far away. For months. In Rome.” He scoffed, remembering the hateful resentment he could sometimes feel toward her, all of it racing back now, just when he’d thought they could find some reconciliation. There was something clear now. He slumped, felt the sick swirl of jealousy. “Someone else saved you. He did. Devlin’s dad.”

Kimmy lowered her hands, still interdigitated, but more like prayer now. She looked at the food on her plate. She nodded, almost imperceptibly at first, then enough for him to recognize it as affirmative.

She’d told him to stay away. She let another man save her. A savage pain bloomed in his heart, fat petals of sick jealousy unfurling inside him, bloating under pressured turgor. He groaned, unmanned, easing back from the table and looking away from her.

How could she still hurt him so badly when they’d been apart so long?

Comments

It's Catch 22, if Josh is a good submissive doormat he will in the long term only get more despised and used. If the game is fixed break it! But first find out what and whose game it is... Then smash it to smithereens... it requires no testosterone only determination. This is getting tedious, this playing the protagonists against each other.

Bill F Protagoras

Thanks Kat!

Bill H.

Yes, Devlin’s dad.

Kat

Okay, I'm always two or three steps behind everyone else here but, when Josh says, “That explains you and him.” He's referring to Stone Sr.?

Bill H.

Thanks D, being compared to political commentators makes me puff my breast out proudly...

Bill F Protagoras

And Andrew "Those About to Die"... fucking A!

Bill F Protagoras

So it's plain to every one... Kimmy doesn't tickle my fancy as an affluent bought out and paid for capitalist sow.

Bill F Protagoras

They're my metier, Kat, when KT gives us so much opacity and obscurity, and what with the world of dismay in which we live... "What can a poor boy do?"

Bill F Protagoras

The biological status of Odie's parentage was irrelevant in so far as every one of the adults misunderstood it . For Odie Geoff was her father... all the adults were at fault with their selfish tales of possession in a matter that was beyond the competence of science. In neither book is the parentage of a child central to the story except to the children themselves which is why all the so called self-styled adults behave atrociously... Nia never betrayed Odie on this point... For her Geoff was Odie's father and Nia never deliberately used Odie as a bargaining or gambling chip and neither did Geoff. In the end it was Odie's unwavering love towards them both that enabled them to overcome their proud stubborn denial of facts beyond pieces of paper and metal rings. In a way, more than anything else "Cherry Blossoms" is the story of the redemptive power of a child's love for her parents. Something Nia apparently never got enough of... at least not the healthiest kind. In DITW it is Kimmy's lack of faith and wavering beliefs that have been the narrative downfall of the Waters' mutual affection, and the occultation of a consistent belief in Josh and Kimmy's shared affection because of their childish dabbling in the attractiveness of wickedness. Now Kimmy is entangled in ambition and the fatal attractions of power. Orgasms have a half life but domination and submission feed on those who give in to them. Enslavement to power for its own thrilling sake is a fatal mistake it turns people into greedy self-centered monsters. It fosters the delusion that might is right. The Waters are losing themselves in the slough of despond and the endless shrouded byways of pagan hell. Kimmy is, I fear literally possessed... a literal wage slave. Doomed to toil with the sweat of her brow for the benefit of others. Beautiful house... lost her way home. Josh needs to stop worrying what vain devious "alphas" think of him. Their power and right to judge is illusory... they are only emperors inside their hand tailored best schmata new clothes. Josh has the not to be underestimated power to disarm even her entitled haughtiness Kimmy Chang. Once upon a time her unpretentious nakedness and her available constancy were his harbour and her sole soothing. He knew her limbs as well as he knew his own. Now she is only full of herself. There will never be a happily ever after, but the happiness you knew before might by dint of perseverance be regained. As for happy endings I've heard THEY can be bought. Or extorted by the unscrupulous... Love can always be shared with those who don't confuse greed with devotion. Exclusivity is the vice of collectors. There is a vanishing point where the comfort of companionship and the hot embrace of love share the same perspective.

Bill F Protagoras

I care about Kimmy, too. I want them end up together, however it works for their happiness, but I also feel that they might not be able to bridge the gap and all the wrongs that have been done. Kimmy has been quite calculating and deceitful, but Nia was no angel either. She may have had encouragement from Geoff to sleep around, but she deceived Geoff for years with the questions surrounding Odie’s parentage. Dino and Rocco believed Odie was Dino’s for years. She’s lucky it worked out for her in the end, but that’s pretty bad, too.

Kat

Those are some thoughts, Bill, and would make for quite a dark ending, but this is DITW, and might be fitting.

Kat

Well... Tracey I think it feels more like selling your mum's special recipe to McDonalds. Then inviting your estranged hubby to the local Mac for an intimate reunion... then getting pissed because he ain't touched by such a personal gesture... No reflection on Hyun's wonderful cooking which no one is touching with a fucking barge pole. Brava, Diva!

Bill F Protagoras

Why do so many people still run Josh down? Are they of the Devlin's part while arguing for understanding Kimmy were once she was reviled? The American Dream to rig the lottery of life and keep it rigged for your likewise likeminded buddies and rope and tie the most likely fillies for yourselves. The fevre dream they also have of having big dicks while being big dicks. The working wimps can pursue happiness till the cows are delivered to the Chicago Jungle. With a lousy wage the working man's women are fresh tender meat for the international robber barons to bump and grind in private clubs for very important pricks... All the colours under the sun and darkling under the satin sheets. All the clients ask Mr Stone Sr where he got that propitious picture of Cranes hanging in his office. He just chuckles and with exaggerated uxoriousness and exhibiting a big shit-eating grin mutters 'The spoils of war! The spoils of war!'... Later they will insinuate that Ms. Chang would surely be the most qualified 'person' to handle 'their' account... and there will be that chuckle once more as he cordially clasps their hands... certain it can be arranged... for a top ranked client. Certain.

Bill F Protagoras

What is it with KT and asian women? This all feels so much like the Maggie series where the asian girl friend/fiance gets pursuaded to enjoy other men only to get lost in a relationship with her fiance’s best friend and marry him. The fiance is broken much like Josh and tormented by the continued connection with Maggie through his own emotion and his best friend. Of course there is some redemption when the “fiance” meets the sexually adventurous, tall, redheaded Keely who has already had a remarkable one off with the best friend and ends up being the best friends fuck buddy after marrying Maggie while the “fiance” sits in torment talking with Maggie as Kelly and the best friend fuck away in the next room. Will Josh (and we readers) be caught in a similar limbo?

Randy

That’s why I think she actually needs to be honest here and tell him everything that’s happened in the last year, and how she got to this point. I’ve read her POV part several times now, it definitely gives me the sense she feels like she’s now in a position to “earn Josh back” and that is what she wants to do. She talks about how it took a “year” to get here, and that “so many things had to be in place” for her to be ready to see him again. Since that encompasses the entire time frame of their separation, from the point she fled in fear, shame, and because she felt unworthy of Josh, it reads to me like now she now no longer feels that way, and wants some kind of reconciliation to occur. I have a feeling whatever she went to Cambodia for plays into why she’s finally at a place where she feels this way. But exactly what she’s about to explain, and how she does it, will determine the path forward. Josh may not be able to get past the idea that “she” did everything, and that “she” went to someone else to save her. It might different if there was a “we,” if both and her and Josh resolved it together. But when it comes to Josh, most of the time with Kimmy it’s usually “I.” “I” will do this for Josh, “I” will buy us a house, “I” will destroy our enemies and bring us victory.” She never really includes Josh in the plan, she executes it and expects Josh to fall in line behind her. Even though I’m in the camp of wanting them to be together at the end, I’m hoping if her explanation is something like this, that Josh is strong enough to resist for now, and tell her that the true way to “win him back” is to treat him like a partner, and not someone she needs to shield, and make decisions for. I’ve long been in the camp that something more is going on, but I’ve kind of moved into the “there was something more, but now Kimmy truly resolved her troubles.” If Stone is forcing her to do things, or if her plan to earn Josh back still had parts left, she wouldn’t be “ready” for this meeting. Similarly, if she was moving on, I think her reaction and attitude would be different here, she’d be more sad and somber. The only way her telling Josh it’s over makes sense to me if there is still something more here. But the way she’s anticipating, excited but nervous, to have this talk just tells me she feels she’s done things to “earn” her way back to him, but is worried whether he can accept how she’s done that. Again, I’m always wrong, so she’s probably has something totally different in mind. She’s involved in a triad with Stone and Hyun, and now wants Josh to be in a quad with them. 😂

JL23

That is quite the spectrum. Either way it goes, I hope Kimmy is happy with the choices she's made.

Chris K

That logic is irrefutable, if things are as they appear... Chris, but what if Kimmy is being coerced into working so much for Stone that life without leisure or normal time with her daughter is becoming impossible. What if Stone is not only coercing her to have sex with him but also any person he wants favours from. There is no evidence she was a workaholic in the past. Hyun has been showing marked signs of distress recently... This is not incredible to contemplate... nor is some other bird in a gilded cage scenario. What I've said is only extreme, but the truth is Kimmy has always seemed to want a kid as soon as possible...It seemed in order to be a mother and care for it, not place it in the loving arms of someone who has a kid of their own already. Not all people end up helpless addicts. I am pessimistic but only because the way Kimmy is living and behaving is so contrary to the way she was before. Personally what always irked me about work was the bosses were usually work shy people whose sole talent was to delegate and squeeze as much work for as little pay as possible out of the people who have the skills and temperament to do it. Daddy Stone helped shape and educate Devlin what kind of boss do you think he makes? Kimmy might enjoy playing at being a sub to big fat ecstasy throbbers... yet more than likely as the 'strong' woman she aspires to be she is not too keen on being pounded into submission. Maybe I'm totally wrong and she is several kinds of 'bitch' and especially what is required for an awful future... a stupid one! If you're right Josh should get custody of Colleen in a hurry and get as far away as possible... But it's much too soon either for us, or him to know... I think... What he needs is information from those who know and love her and HIS kid most. And check all the documents he can get his hands on. There's a good reason why literally means really, truly and genuinely. Whatever KT does, like you I'm sure it will be a wild and bumpy ride.

Bill F Protagoras

Do Kimmy and Josh even make sense anymore? Let's say Kimmy is not sleeping with anyone, and isn't paying off a debt. On the surface she maintains her vanity and title, setting aside friends, family, and dare I say Colleen to ensure her travels and business come first. Josh on the other hand absolutely needs help, for his various addictions, insecurities, and complete lack of trust in Kimmy. What do they have in common anymore? Would they enjoy each other's company? Would Kimmy be his and his alone, or splitting her time between him and Hyun? Neither one can be honest with the other and neither one can open up. If they got back together I wouldn't give them a year before it all fell apart. Their love seems more like a remnant of the past, and pretty thin anyway. Almost too much damage has been done to make them being together believable. I really am hoping for the best outcome. I'm sure KT will keep it interesting till the end.

Chris K

“Yeah. Your dad messages me on Facebook, too. Just checking in with me. Or he used to. I haven’t heard from him in a while.” What did Kimmy tell her Dad about Josh that made him stop talking to him on Facebook? Josh knows she is lying about it... I think I know where this is going... Colleen being his daughter only means that Josh has given a hostage to Kimmy as well as fate. I wonder how much Kimmy is still 'doctoring' the truth for Hyun... though it is more difficult for her to do so about things other than Josh, now that they are 'living together.' Could Kimmy be as untrustworthy and guarded as she seems to me right now? My problem is I care as much about Josh as I do about Kimmy, and the difference between Nia and Kimmy is that Kimmy is/was much more calculating and deceitful. I have faith that this novel will be great but not that I will be happy about how it ends. Lolita and Madame Bovary were both great novels but neither could be qualified as a laugh a minute. So WTH WTH TG, KT... do what you must! "If the home we never write to, and the oaths we never keep, And all we know most distant and most dear, Across the snoring barrack-room return to break our sleep, Can you blame us if we soak ourselves in beer? When the drunken comrade mutters and the great guard-lantern gutters And the horror of our fall is written plain, Every secret, self-revealing on the aching whitewashed ceiling, Do you wonder that we drug ourselves from pain? We have done with Hope and Honour, we are lost to Love and Truth, We are dropping down the ladder rung by rung, And the measure of our torment is the measure of our youth. God help us, for we knew the worst too young! Our shame is clean repentance for the crime that brought the sentence, Our pride it is to know no spur of pride, And the Curse of Reuben* holds us till an alien turf enfolds us And we die, and none can tell Them where we died. We're poor little lambs who've lost our way, Baa! Baa! Baa! We're little black sheep who've gone astray, Baa—aa—aa! Gentlemen-rankers out on the spree, Damned from here to Eternity, God ha' mercy on such as we, Baa! Yah! Bah!" Rudyard Kipling *The Curse of Reuben was to lose his birth right and to be a ne'er do well for life because he did the nasty with one his Dad Jacob's handmaidens.

Bill F Protagoras

Actually the separation between...Josh... full stop and the first sentence of the next paragraph is pretty bloody symbolic... "A man it had taken a whole year to prepare for." Josh is revealed as just 'a' man in her life. A slip of the tongue! Probably up another's arse...

Bill F Protagoras

Chuckle, chuckle.

Bill F Protagoras

True Bill. Maybe Josh just wants to be the landscaper since the housemaid position is filled. The can both wait hand and foot on the house and child until the queen comes home.

Chris K

Maybe Josh should just ask the most simple and obvious questions. Like, why are you still married to me? And, where do I now fit in your life? Maybe the time of trying to find out who is smarter or has the strongest will in this has come to an end. Ask the most basic questions, get the clearest answers.

Chris K

Sorry, to toot 'my own' trumpet, JL, but... "Man (in a form that means humans apparently in ancient Greek) is the measure of all things that are and are not." Protagoras.

Bill F Protagoras

Hi Tracey, just realized applying castellano to the problem... extracurricular is just a fancy latinate way of saying extra-work or more work on top of what you already do... but it is also used in a 'suggestive' way to imply perverse or plain filthy sexual pursuits. Or 'a bit on the side.'

Bill F Protagoras

Well, that's the big question, isn't it? We don't know what Kimmy had to do to get to where she's at, or what Sr. demanded of her. Perhaps nothing. After all, she had additional evidence of Devlin's betrayal given the plans he and Glenn shared. That coupled with Kimmy's clear competence, perhaps put her in a place where she was able to navigate this with no lasting consequences. Without Kimmy telling us what happened, which im hoping we'll get next chapter, its impossible to even properly speculate because we have so little info in regards to what occurred, only the outcome, that as Josh put it, "You have everything and I have nothing." Which looks highly suspicious, but is no guarantee of anything nefarious. One would assume Devlin learned to be who he was from a particular example, but again, speculation with no real proof. What we do know, is as you pointed out, JL, that Kimmy seemed very changed as the events unfolded in book 14. Yet the current circumstances and outcomes don't feel like they coincide with those changes. She's with Hyun, let Sr. rescue her and left Josh to hang out in the wind, for an entire year. That feels very much like old Kimmy. But we have no real proof or evidence of what Kimmy has done, or not done, other than a brief jaunt through her thoughts that mostly focused on how important this moment with Josh is. Most of what we know is distorted by Josh's own emotions, and some of that doesn't mesh with Kimmy's own thoughts. It feels like Kimmy was put through some tough moments. If she remained Kimmy from book 14, I could see her dedication to finding a way through that didn't involve being Sr.'s plaything or continuing to fuck Hyun. Because the Josh that almost killed himself to get away from this wouldn't accept her back if she was making decisions like Books 1 - 13 Kimmy. Sure, she could lie, but he'd find out eventually, just like before. And she has no leeway for forgiveness in such matters. So either Josh is reading much of this wrong (other than the rescue bit, which he has every right to be pissed about, and Kimmy's response seems to acknowledge that) and Kimmy has been working diligently to make her life "right" so she could be in a place to "earn" him back or.... she's just gone back to being same ole Kimmy and her nervousness here is simply trying to get through this explanation so she can make it clear to Josh that he needs to move on and stop letting her decisions wreck his life. Not reconciliation so much as finding a middle ground of civility for Colleen's sake. I will grant, Kimmy's internal dialogue seems not to lean that way, but we don't know what she's done to get here, and the reality is, that's all that really matters to Josh right now. So if the answers aren't satisfactory, Kimmy's wants won't amount to much of anything. (Which she has to know going into this conversation, so surely she made better decisions with Sr. than Jr. right? Right??) As per usual, KT will guide us with amazingly crafted discourse. Soon. Like tomorrow. That's what's called a hint, KT.

L_S87

It is, as almost always, a question of the phrasing... the father didn't decide to help her... he decided to help himself! Kimmy crying in a locked room was unheard of before in this our contemporary tale. This is more reminiscent of the eighteenth/nineteenth century novel, when a world of squirearchy and outdated social infrastructures left 'privileged' women at the mercy of ambitious, determined dirty old men in the private homes of a class that always changes but in it's self-satisfying heart always remains the same. Though in our more complacent modern times the up-to-date cad, rake, bounder, brute, elder statesman can always facilitate his indiscretions with an NDA in some other country where the right currency greases every palm and pole. The world is full of failed states and the sorrows of empire and the exploitation of the ever changing miserable faces of the gargantuan minorities of the poor who are always with us. Lest we forget them in Stars Hollow or... Cambodia! Shouldn't Kimmy be one of the happy happy few and Josh a nerdy disgruntled serf/internet surfer crippled by incertitude of the paternity of his lovely child and almost jaded by the faithlessness of his... for want of a better word... wife. Just look at her... limber, lissome Kimmy who has everywhere in the world to be... but here! With her busy schedule... with him, her.... for want of a better word... cuckold!

Bill F Protagoras

I wonder what's in store next for the asian cyborg, and what she's programmed not to say?

Chris K

Well said, Bill. And what's wrong with tendentious bullshit? The world of political commentary would collapse without it.

Donkatsu

She seemed a different Kimmy at the end of book 14, but times (and circumstances) change. We’ve been saying this for a few chapters, but I really hope we get a lot of info from Kimmy on exactly how she got to where she is now, and what her hopes are for the marriage. Instead, we’ll probably be getting her speaking in cryptic riddles, or she’s going to tell Josh one thing and then hint to us her reality is something quite different. 😂

JL23

I like your point about Kimmy being celibate. I hadn't even thought of that, but given her proclivities over all the other books, it feels highly unlikely. Though, it would be a very good way to show her devotion to the mission of winning Josh back if she did nothing over that period of time. I'm not sure Mr Pessimistic would believe her, but it would at least help validate our feelings as readers that she's committed to this path, regardless of what the circumstances may have forced on her. It will be interesting to see if the conversation swings that way. Kimmy didn't ask that about Karina, so I'm not sure Josh will either, or if he even wants to know, but will simply assume the worst. If she did "save herself", it would certainly explain her prodding and clear frustration regarding Karina. I'm inclined to agree with you, JL, that something probably did happen, but it wasn't a permanent arrangement, and it's something Kimmy will studiously avoid unless asked point blank. Which might be why she was insisting she had no right to voice her opinion about Karina. It's also a great deflection to point out in a circumspect way that Josh has no right to voice his about her and Sr. It's hard to say. That's definitely the mental games old Kimmy would play. Is she still that Kimmy?

L_S87

Maybe he'll return like foreign Kings turn up at the end of Hamlet or King Lear to return law and order to the fractured states. Their law and their order..

Bill F Protagoras

I think Josh firmly believes he didn’t intend to kill himself, while Kimmy is firmly convinced he did (whether he’s consciously aware of that or not). As to the evidence, I’m in the camp it’s murky. And I can see Kimmy’s point of view on it. We don’t actually see his mindset when he gets to the point of falling in the water. What we see is a despondent Josh, still disoriented but believing he revealed his deepest humiliations to a bunch of people. And trying “to get away,” with the idea of walking onto a fog covered dock you’re not familiar with being appealing. And he describes it to Kimmy in basically that way, so I can understand how she’d believed she drove him to a state where even if he wasn’t intentionally trying to kill himself, he was also OK with a scenario where he knowingly put himself in a potentially tragic situation, just to get away from what she had done.

JL23

Cambodia is where you go for a few days after some exhausting negotiations in Bangkok. Good place for confidential hookups, whether with Stone Sr. or Jr. or perhaps a prospective new client (Reza, anyone?). Off-the-record dealings with PRC or Golden Triangle financial interests can also take place in Cambodia with some degree of confidentiality.

Donkatsu

According to the evidence available to us. He didn't intend to kill himself though he may have since convinced himself he did!

Bill F Protagoras

So you're asking what's in it for her, D, I can't answer that, all she gives us and Josh is strictly modulated surface activity. She now appears to be what most of you already thought she was, but for me she wasn't then. There were chinks in her armour, she seemed rightly or wrongly to believe in some core principal of Josh that she believed worthy of love. She seemed conflicted. Now she seems cynical and broken into Devlin's social Darwinism... she didn't fight the law and privilege won. Which is a whole different song... and dance! Sooo...This is not a solid tenable theory but Kimmy's rambling on the day IT all went down did suggest though she mocked the idea as she failed to articulate it... That though it defied all logic she succumbed and blamed Josh for the miscarriage, or worst of all she blamed him for being unable to salvage the dismal situation. So as Campbell would frame it she set out on her very own HERO 'S quest... I'm not comfortable with it because it's reductionist and an attractive falsehood. Yet nowadays disturbed by whatever she has done and 'allowed' to be done to or with her, she begins from the starting point of Josh's ineptitude. Because when she told him to, for his own good, stay out of it without any concrete proof, he did! A perfect R.D. Laingian Knot of the Gordian breed. Laing did not publish 'Knots' as psychology or psychoanalysis but as a kind of poetry, or literature. I don't have to believe it only Kimmy does! I think things that function so neatly are highly suspect... What we in the literature game call bollox or facile tendentious bullshit... but we can't let Kimmy corner the market on that... like she let Devlin corner the market on her tasty tight yet elastic cunny as was... Or can we? Really did not intend to embarrass myself when I started out... just thought a few lines about us waiting and seeing. Hey! Ho! The wind and the rain!

Bill F Protagoras

Angkor Wat perhaps?

HTO

I agree, he always thinks the worst in what she’s saying. Personally, I’d really be surprised if she’s actually dating the father. Even if she was jealous of Josh/Karina, I find it hard to believe she’d be ready so quickly to move on and start a genuine relationship. But that doesn’t preclude she has an “arrangement” with the father though, a casual thing to take her mind off her troubles with Josh. I would guess the father would be around 60, but we’re lead to believe he’s probably as “blessed” in a certain department as his son. Plus, do we think it’s likely Kimmy was celibate for a year? Obviously, she was pregnant and then post partum, so there was a period where sex was either not medically advisable or the last thing on her mind. Still, that’s probably been in the past for what, 4-5 months now? If Sr is offering her a little fun to take her mind off her troubles, would Kimmy be able to say no? I’d hope so, but obviously we have a lot of evidence to the contrary.

JL23

Maybe the danger was Josh specific. There was no physical danger to Hyun or Sophie, but with Josh she didn’t want to risk anymore mental danger especially in the state in he was already in. Just working for Stone wouldn’t be enough. Josh had just tried to kill himself, and maybe she knew what she had to do would hurt him more.

Kat

Josh always clouds his narrative with his own self loathing and insecurities. I think he’s assuming things, and Kimmy’s letting him assume what he wants because she’s pissed off about Karina.

Kat

LS, several books back, Kimmy was mocking Josh over his failure to man-up in HS with his bullies. What would she change in her attitude toward Josh when she shows that she can tough it out and come back (or schtupp it out and come, or something)

Donkatsu

I'm with both of you. It's why I've kinda flopped back to not wanting an HEA for them. I'm okay if it happens, but I feel like Josh deserves some measure of recompense for things to go that route. I don't want to say grovelling (okay, I do, but that's a bit petty) but more a physical act, multiple, over a period of time that show commitment to Josh and making things right. Not just words. Yet, were not even getting words from Kimmy. Instead she kinda makes fun of him about the picture, something that would be an obvious sore spot to bring up, yet she does anyway, then she attacks him about Karina before going mute after Josh unloads his painful thoughts. So I'm not really sure where Kimmy intends to go with this. She doesn't deserve another chance, but that doesn't mean Josh won't give her one. If he does, she needs to earn it. Right now, she's not. She's just picking at his scabs and opening up old wounds. She clearly, from her POV, knows this will be painful and difficult, and she's scared about where it will lead, but she doesn't let that stop her from being typical Kimmy, as you guys noted. So I'm not sure where she thinks this ends up taking the "lawyer" route.

L_S87

I hestiated to share that passage, cause everyone has a different view on religion and I have no idea whether it applies to the story. I don’t have a problem with religion or anyone who practices and truly believes (more with the humans who run it, and a lot who practice it hypocritically). As I said, I’m not particularly religious, but sometimes it does give me comfort to think there is a higher power and something worthwhile for us after we leave this earth. Would be a shame if this was all there is. Anyway, that passage gave me a little bit of hope for our star crossed couple. Maybe they tasted the poison fruit of the “Devil” in the Garden of Eden, and will now sample fruit from the “Tree of Life” to bring about their salvation in their new city. Maybe it’s the tree of “New Life” in their daughter.

JL23

While I think Kimmy's defensiveness points to that being accurate, or at least they were in one at some point, it's probably important to note that this is from Josh's POV, so he's assuming she is based on his limited evidence. Which is going to be highly colored by his own anger and sense of betrayal from past events. So maybe she isn't. It was just a one time thing for that event. Or maybe they were and now they aren't, hence her wearing the ring again. Perhaps she made an attempt after seeing Josh do so with Karina. It's hard to say. Maybe her prying at Josh about Karina is because she *didn't* actually date Sr, Josh's assumptions are wrong, and she's peeved that Josh didn't wait for her. Hopefully next chapter will shed some light.

L_S87

He thinks they are, as it seemed like she was conveying that to him by her mentioning he didn’t tell her about Karina. But whether that’s actually true, or whether she’s jealous he was dating Katrina and wanted to have him think that she was as well, we don’t know yet. I suspect it’s the latter, because she still asked him questions to clarify his status with Karina after he indicated he didn’t want to fight over it. It indicated to me she was bothered over it, and wanted to know their status.

JL23

KT. Am I getting this right? Are you implying Kimmy would place poison in her lil baby's cot for the sake of a scientific experiment. Ghasp! She's even further gone than I had imagined.

Bill F Protagoras

Yes, it's that evil streak that reveals itself in one, when one looks down on mere mortals from the topmost peak of Annapurna. She's always weighing us in the scales and finding us wanting.

Bill F Protagoras

"Maybe she didn't think he had a right to question her dating choices." So she and Sr are in a relationship, other than work.

Wayne

Both. It's one of my favourite songs. I associate it with a girl I knew a long time ago, who died in a car crash at the age of twenty one. She is one of the best friends I've ever had. I normally check songs and quotes because I have a bad habit of changing lines... even then I always sang "I thought love was more or less a game of give and take." It's the Monkees version to me. I also have to check spelling because of English, American, Spanish, y' know. There are an awful lot of songs in my head... The Ook is actually the imaginary monkey who used to steal the delicious patatas bravas from my daughter when she was little in the Meson in the pueblo it used to scurry across the tables and jeer at us from the corners near the ceiling. No-one else ever saw it. The salsa was home made and delicious. We never saw him snatch the patatas... but as the man in the deerstalker put it... When you eliminate all other possibilities...

Bill F Protagoras

The only way to find that out is to tell him and see what happens. It’s not going to work otherwise. But Kimmy’s lack of faith in Josh has already been her biggest stumbling block. Feels like she left because she legitimately felt she was in danger, or was going to need to do things she wasn’t proud of, and didn’t want him to get mixed up in it. Well, that appears to no longer be the case, so she owes him an answer as to what happened to change this. Also, it’s notable to me she needed to get away from Josh for his protection, but the same worry didn’t apply to Hyun or Sophie. Why worry you were putting Josh in harms way, but not them? Which again, leads to the other reason she left. She’s convinced he tried to kill himself because of what she did. So she may be hiding things now for fear something might happen again. Knowing he left his job for a mental health break may also be on her mind. If she does want him back, but in order to attempt that she has to admit to some hard truths about what she’s done, she may be reluctant to do so. But at this point, if that’s the case, she’s better off just cutting Josh loose. Trust Colleen will give him purpose, and allow him to start to move on without you. It’s not fair to him to continue to hide things from him, and she’s not treating him as a partner by doing that.

JL23

I want more too, but to be fair KT is posting at a rapid rate at the moment which is great. We need to get the conclusion here. I think KT is really enjoying writing this epilogue. You can feel it in the words. I’m glad.

Tracey52

He can’t handle the truth. Or can he?

Tracey52

I thought business trip as well, but her first business trip involved a big cock in her arse. Quite demanding even though lube was used.

Tracey52

I think we are both pretty pissed off at Kimmy right now Bill. Probably exactly where KT wants us. I’m currently putting salt and pepper on my boots as I’ll probably have to eat them.

Tracey52

Did you know this or look up the lyrics?

Tracey52

"How could she still hurt him so badly when they’d been apart so long?" Crushing ambiguity!

Bill F Protagoras

I thought love was only true in fairy tales Meant for someone else but not for me Love was out to get me That's the way it seemed Disappointment haunted all my dreams Then I saw her face Now I'm a believer Not a trace of doubt in my mind I'm in love And I'm a believer I couldn't leave her if I tried Not if i tried I thought love was more or less a giving thing Seems the more I gave the less I got What's the use in trying All you get is pain When I needed sunshine I got rain Then I saw her face Now I'm a believer Not a trace of doubt in my mind I'm in love And I'm a believer I couldn't leave her if I tried Not if I tried Love was out to get me That's the way it seemed Disappointment haunted all my dreams Then I saw her face Now I'm a believer Not a trace of doubt in my mind I'm in love And I'm a believer I couldn't leave her if I tried Not if I tried Oh, yeah Said I'm a believer Ook Ook!

Bill F Protagoras

She's so smart.. I'm sure if she took her head out of her beautiful arse once in a while, she could discover that for herself. Whatever it is she can't forgive Josh for is a permanently lodged beam in her eye. I should've taken careful note of the sign over the door before I walked into this joint. "Abbandonate la speranza tutti voi che entrate qui." Could be it doesn't mean... We reserve the right to tell customers to take their business elsewhere! Could be Kimmy thinks she has done nothing that requires forgiveness!

Bill F Protagoras

Also, not a great fan of the new "This is your Creator speaking look." I know it's not your fault, but I prefer the Snowdens of yesteryear.

Bill F Protagoras

Love the deprecatory 'you mole!' Tracey!

Bill F Protagoras

Right on, Tracey!

Bill F Protagoras

It seems pretty fucking dark and gloomy, and a black dog sleeping on your chest. Sort of like you've been reading Styron's "Darkness Visible" in a dark room... to me, Andrew!

Bill F Protagoras

The Apostle was obviously taking better drugs than Josh! Did you feel obliged to buy into the beliefs of Dante, Milton, Homer, Virgil and all that crowd? I do, but I'm a weirdo like ex-nun Karen Armstrong who believes there is more revelation and consolation in literature than in the subgenre of dogmatic holy books and carefully expurgated scriptures (I wonder how Revelations slipped through the nets of the surrogates of the Fisher of men [sarcasm]).

Bill F Protagoras

It is difficult to do other than castigate, Pete, when presently the unforgiving page favours an image of my beloved Kimmy as a whited sepulchre... a dreadful advertisement of "marriage." Although I wouldn't be surprised if hidden cameras were filming Kimmy killing it as a doting mother for future publicity material... "Let my people go!"

Bill F Protagoras

I loved it... no necessity for extra forms of education for poor challenged Josh. A naive man who clearly has difficulties getting his priorities right. Also a bit addled by the 'other' demon... alcohol, and his meds. Keep an eye on that guy Kimmy dearest!

Bill F Protagoras

Nail on head.

Bill F Protagoras

I get it even better now. Don’t know if the cat is dead or alive until you open the box. Similarly don’t know if Colleen is yours or Devlin’s until you see her. Thanks for clearing that up you two.

Tracey52

So there're still some doubts Tracey... What colour were Devlin's mother's eyes, blond is a recessive gene, Kimmy is now hob knobbing with the cynical liars who are trifling with the end of days, those hypocrites who preach pie in the sky when we die but can't tell right from wrong. Those 'Calvinists' to whom the rest of us are preterite! Kimmy has been sold a plot in Pandaemonium, yet doesn't seem to have a genuine bone in her body, or an abiding interest in her own child. I wonder which exclusive private school Colleen will be bundled off to as soon as she is old enough, while her 'real' mother Hyun sobs disconsolate in her pantry... Though I'm sure her loving biological mother, and "Daddy" Stone will make sure her girl has a healthy investment portfolio, and a nice 'little' nest egg squirreled away in the Caymans 'in her name'. After all family is family and there to be used like everyone else!

Bill F Protagoras

He may return, possibly by a flashback, but I don’t think it’s necessary. Josh had his moment with Devlin when he threw the chair. Kimmy cut him off when she told him the pregnancy was Josh’s and she hates him. She then took his job, had humiliating video, likely cuckolded him with his father and he had to leave. He has no power over Kimmy or Josh now. Josh’s bigger worry is Stone sr now or maybe Hyun, not that he knows that.

Tracey52

Thanks kt. I follow all that. It’s just that the usage of the word outside of school activities connotes something illicit I think, where as you were trying to show the opposite.

Tracey52

I do want reconciliation of some sort at least even if not HEA. I was so hoping and expecting that Kimmy would be remorseful and entreating Josh to take her back with something like I’m sorry and I realize how awful I was and how I’ve put myself first and our marriage in jeopardy, but look what I’ve now done for our future. But we seem to have lawyer Kimmy in a negotiation. It’s like I ok and this is me. Do you want to come aboard on the most favorable terms for me that I can negotiate? What gives?

Tracey52

I grew up with the Oshawa Generals and the Maple Leafs. My dad was a big hockey guy.

Kat

Schrodinger's Colleen

KT Morrison

Yeah, I think so. I liked it. She didn't have to go and show him the papers, prove they're not photoshops or something, he just saw that the baby was his by looking at her. Like how a normal marriage would work. She didn't have to do anything extracurricular, with respect to an everyday married woman giving birth.

KT Morrison

At least Josh has his common decency left, while despite her addiction to fashion all that covers Kimmy's post Fall nudity is a filmy snobbery that could belong to just about any other social climber. She picks now to play the prude.. How she flaunted her brazen flourishes, how she thrived on adversity. How she drained the scant dregs that held together the detritus of Josh's dogged devotion. All that remains now is to beat him for not wagging his tail. And throw stones at him to make him keep his distance. Ah, Hyun if only you might speak.

Bill F Protagoras

The tree with 12 fruits. Revelations 22.2-3: "In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month - and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And there shall be no curse anymore, and the throne of God and the Lamb shall be therein, and His servants shall serve Him." Faith looks into the unseen past, hope into the unseen future. The “things hoped for” are very glorious. Eye has not seen them, nor ear heard them. But God has revealed them unto us via His Spirit. That Spirit has given us “eyes” to see, “objects” to look upon, and “light” to see them with. I'm not particularly religious, so take that passage and translation there of, however you take it.

JL23

I wonder if this story is going to get darker. It was labeled as a dark cuckold series so I assumed we would get a dark ending. So far I think Learning Lessons is KT's darkest series as this one seems headed for a HEA. I am not mad but I always assumed this was going to be KT's darkest series.

Andrew Mellein

How come Kimmy didn't go to jail for stealing the money? But appears to have been promoted? Old man Stone worked out alot skids for her. Was it for a price and as old man Stone's personal concubine or did Kimmy show him the tape of Devlin making a fool of himself? I always thought this story was going to have a dark ending because it was labeled as a dark cuckold series but so far I can see a happy ending in the cards. In fact I think now that I can reasonably compare book series Learning Lessons was far darker and had a darker ambiguous ending. I mean it's still possible to get dark but we only got a couple chapters left. And I think it's to highlight all the questions that have been brought up.

Andrew Mellein

Somebody has really done a number on the character of Josh... I don't know which is worse the pity or the scorn. There is next to nothing left of the strength and character he showed when the cheats had his back to the wall. I want to defend the Waters but despite the title of the work they have melted away like the dew. Shibboleth, Shibboleth, Shibboleth!

Bill F Protagoras

Ok thanks. So just hiding from a possible truth.

Tracey52

Kingston has a junior team as well, the Frontenacs. As an American, I know way too much about Canadian junior hockey.

JL23

Yes, as Chris said, I’d hope she’s ready to be fully honest on this. About stealing the money, why she did it, why she felt she needed to flee to keep Josh safe. Then how that changed, why exactly the father decided to help her, and most importantly, why she hasn’t reached out to try and explain this to him before now. If she just answers vaguely and cryptically, then he’s just going to assume the worst. At a certain point, if she wants him back, she has to trust he can handle the truth.

JL23

There’s some tourism now, mostly from China (maybe that’s why she was there) but it’s not particularly safe or stable. And it’s not really an economic hub. Seems an odd place to spend a week for a high powered business meeting for a brokerage firm, unless she meeting with some Chinese investors who happened to be there?

JL23

He feared the child was Devlin’s, probably convinced himself it was. So if he stayed away he kept from having to learn that awful truth.

JL23

As I can't find the post of mine to which you were referring I can only respond... What about the Mighty Ducks?

Bill F Protagoras

Well, Tracey, I don't know about you, but I think Kimmy 'owes' it to Josh to at least try to win Josh back. All she is up to is cat and mousing him to get what she wants and no more... She accepts commitments from the rich, powerful and well hung. In retrospect the beauty of Josh's first encounter with, Colleen, with the attendant guilt and remorse, is now cheapened, or tainted by the possibility of it being a lure to satisfy Kimmy's agenda. I especially liked your (metaphor... oops) simile of the black widow which harks back to KT's images of scurrying chittering spiders spinning webs. I want to know what Hyun thinks... All the scraps and elusiveness we've glimpsed in the past have led to this horrific embroglio or entanglement of embroglios.

Bill F Protagoras

I was going to say the same thing. Not a place you take a lover. Cambodia manufactures a lot of goods cheaply. It has to have been a business trip.

Kat

the longer he stayed away, the longer it was possible Colleen was his child. I don’t understand why? What difference does the time make to who father is? Can someone help me out here?

Tracey52

What about the Oshawa Generals?

Kat

“Should I have called you?” No you shouldn’t have done it if you wanted Josh back you mole.

Tracey52

She helped him through his breakup with Nia. They had only been living together in Geoff’s apartment for two weeks when he cheated on her with Nia. Nia teased him about Jenny.

Kat

Yes, remember when Devlin hired her, it was for the new office in Toronto? Devlin’s dad is in Kingston, and Devlin was travelling back and forth from Kingston to Toronto.

Kat

I’ve criticized Kimmy extensively throughout this story, but I agree with you. She seems to want him back, but is being very cautious not wanting to push him away. I’ve read this chapter several times now and need more. It wasn’t long enough. There is still so much we don’t know, and I think this stuff with Stone Sr. Is a fake out from KT. Come on KT! We’re already hooked. Stop torturing us. Lol

Kat

Yes, that was it, or maybe his editor? I know he ultimately sleeps with the high powered agent from NY. Anyway, it was clear she had been interested in him, though obviously he was married and she probably thought nothing would ever happen. I think Nia may have noticed too before Geoff?

JL23

OK, she says she running the "Toronto" office, which makes sense since it's not the headquarters.

JL23

Tracey, generally support your assessment. I think people are glossing over Kimmy's habitual lying, gaslighting, cheating, demeaning talk about Josh and focusing on her hurt and "justifiable" defensiveness as the home wrecker, Karina, moved in on "her" man. Kimmy takes care of Kimmy. She always has a good reason - the house, the baby, the job, her pussy. If anyone else benefits it is collateral to Kimmy's goals, not central. Also, in the implicit negotiations taking place at that table she is not giving up any vital territory. Also agree with you and JL that Cambodia was probably not a solo journey. Of course, she could have met up with Devlin there.👺

Donkatsu

Other thing I'm also now thinking. As far as hubs of money and power in Asia...Cambodia is not exactly high on this list. Singapore, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Shanghai? Yes. But Cambodia? No. It's also not generally known as a place you wisk a lover off to for week long tryst. And she describes it as "demanding" in her own head. Wondering if this was not a business meeting she was at in Cambodia. And if it's timing coincided with knowing she was finally about to see Josh again. Just a thought...probably wrong on all of it.

JL23

Agreed, I would hope she's going to now give him an explanation on what has happened and how Devlin's father got involved to help her. It may not be sufficient to get past Josh's hurt feelings but I feel like she's going to try. If she doesn't, then yeah, it's not going to work.

JL23

True, but if she doesn't start laying all the cards on the table, what reconciliation is she hoping for? Does she still want an ignorant fool, or a man she loves and repects? By not telling him the facts Josh has made his own narrative. Kimmy needed to be saved from Devlin, and Josh is not who she wanted for that job. Devlins dad was willing, so Kimmy told Josh to stay away and he did, while got close to Sr. and is now set up real good without him. This is how Josh will continue to see things unless Kimmy spills it already.

Chris K

I think they're both perceiving things about the other that may not be there. For instance, Kimmy also thought Josh bringing up her naming Colleen for her mother was a dig at her feelings of inadequacy compared to her sister. Maybe it was, but that could just be her reading into Josh' desire to injure her, when it wasn't really there in that comment at all. They both have their guards up vis a vis the other, to guard themselves from being hurt. Tells me they still care about the other, but also that they have a lot of work to do to be in a better place.

JL23

In Cherry Blossoms, wasn’t it Geoff’s publicist, Jenny?

Kat

I think her response back that she had no right to say anything to him about Karina was classic passive aggressiveness, "it's fine, I don't think about it, we were apart...but let me keep asking you questions about her." Notice she doesn't drop it after he surrenders and says he doesn't want to fight? She responds with "How's Karina?" With a defensive pose and hooded eyes back. And then a few more questions to get the bottom of their relationship. It definitely rankled her.

JL23

Kimmy had to do something to keep herself out of jail, and it was something that she needed to keep away from Josh.

Kat

I’ll beg. Please KT! Can we have a longer chapter next time? I think Kimmy is jealous that Josh was with her friend. The same friend that told her that she didn’t deserve Josh. Several times in the story, Kimmy said that she would hate to see Josh moving on with someone else. She was also really quick to tell Josh that she hasn’t thought about it all, because they were separated. I wish Josh had said that it was her choice to leave him, so why shouldn’t he date? She left him without any information, told him to stay away, and kept the paternity of Colleen from him. He needs to show some backbone already. I think Kimmy would respect him more if he did. She is pretty restrained, though. She’s also kind of formal with him, trying to say what she needs to, and nothing more.

Kat

The other thing I'd point out is in Kimmy's POV there is fear and anxiety about this meeting with Josh, but I feel like the anxiety is also tinged with something else, not dread that this conversation is finally happening (as I think it would be if she was telling Josh she was moving on) but a palpable sense of hope or even...excitement? She talks about how much has happened over the last "year" to make this moment happen, for her to be ready to have Josh here. That encompasses the entire time from when she left Josh distraught, and months of texts saying she wanted to earn him back, not just these last 7 or so months where it seems like she's turned her personal challenges around. The way she describes how Josh is actually in her house ("their" house...she used "their" money to buy it) and at her table. I don't feel that sense would be here if she was trying to break it to Josh that it was over. I think it would be there if she's hoping he takes what she's about to explain and understand it was part of an effort to earn him back. Whether he can accept how she appeared to make it happen, or exactly how she feels she "earned" him back, I don't know. I suspect he can't at least initially. But to me, her demeanor indicates she wants him back, and not that she's ready to break his heart again via her relationship with a Stone. I know people have differening opinions on Kimmy, but I don't believe there would be any part of her that would relish having that conversation.

JL23

I remember Stone Sr. living in Kingston. That’s where their headquarters are. Kingston is a good 3 hour drive away from Toronto. It sounded like she was in Cambodia on business to me.

Kat

It sort of happened with Geoff and...I forget her name now. After he and Nia separated he started a relationship with a women...I think he worked with her?....who clearly had a crush on him. Then he very unintentionally crushed her heart by sleeping again with Nia, and we never saw her again. I feel like Josh and Karina are same thing if they actually started a serious relationship, at least at that point. He's still in love with Kimmy, it never would have worked. At least not right now. I just think the idea of Josh with Karina is what eats at her, I don't think it makes a difference whether he slept with her or not. But hopefully we see Karina again and get a little clarity on what happened.

JL23

Josh's comment about it not being what Kimmy was thinking makes me wonder if he and Karina even slept together. Feels more like a few dates and that's it. Hard to say, though. Kimmy's combativeness seems to indicate she thought they were. Honestly, I'm a bit miffed at KT for making Karina a throw away romance. Karina doesn't really deserve that, and neither did Josh, given they're friends and that's going to make things awkward. Then again, if Kimmy and Josh remain separated, perhaps Josh will ask her for a 2nd chance, with his head and heart truly in the right place to make it work, because its pretty obvious that thing with Karina failed because Josh wasn't in the right place for it to work.

L_S87

May need a 16th book then.

Tracey52

What is with KT and names starting with k? Ha Ha. Karina seems very much like Keely to me. Maybe plays the same role but I don’t think so. Who was the rebound fling in Cherry Blossoms for Geoff. Karina is probably more like that.

Tracey52

Said much better than I did.

Tracey52

I’m glad he didn’t eat the dumplings. Hopefully shows he can’t be bought by dumplings, a house, money, Colleen. Kimmy has all this while putting a wrecking ball through Josh’s life including damaging his career path. Having said that at some point Josh has to take ownership for how his life has turned out and how it will move forward. He is not blameless. A better man would have supported his wife after the miscarriage, not just ignore it. He wouldn’t have ignored what happened at the party or the signs of something fishy between Kimmy and Devlin, or the texts. If only the metaphorical chair was thrown at the heavens after the miscarriage their lives could have been different. Or maybe not. The devil was always in Kimmy waiting to get out since the missed threesome in her youth.

Tracey52

One thing I found odd: apparently not only have Josh's parents never met Colleen, they have no idea she even exists or that Kimmy was even pregnant. Seems like an odd conversation coming up: "Hey Mom and Dad, we didn't tell you but Kimmy was pregnant and you have a granddaughter who's 6 months old. Surprise!" Would seem to suggest Josh is estranged from them, but they're involved enough to be texting Kimmy. Small detail since we've never met them, but if I was them I'd be...a tad annoyed I wasn't informed.

JL23

Part of her seeming anger at Karina may be her playing in her head what Karina told her in the hospital. "You don't deserve Josh. You deserve Devlin." And if Karina actually had moved in and taken Josh, she could be all the more upset cause as much as she doesn't want it to be the case, she feels Karina's words were true.

JL23

The way she describes it in her head the week in Cambodia was not a pleasure trip. Maybe she was with the father, but it sounded like just business. But again, lot we don't know. I don't remember exactly, but didn't the father not live in Toronto? I seem to remember it being described as he was not working out of the Toronto office primarily, that's how Devlin got away with a lot of stuff, but maybe he's just semi retired. My only point being if he's not in Toronto that probably precludes the idea Kimmy is involved in a relationship with him. Doesn't preclude the idea she has the same arrangement with him she had with his son.

JL23

I agree about the eggshells, Kat. Her response at the end shows that. She barely even nods, no defense, but also no real explanation, at least until next chapter. She's being VERY careful, at least in how she responds after Josh's outpouring of emotions. Before that she was obviously a lot more combative. Whether that's because of his comment about Stone Sr. or because she's angry about Karina, perhaps both, is anyone's guess. Hopefully we get more from Kimmy's POV next chapter to fill in the gaps. KT is making sure we don't know too much as she dribbles this out and keeps us begging for more!

L_S87

Yup, Steve if anyone is bad penny it's Devlin. He'll turn up!

Bill F Protagoras

Yes, I really hope so.

Kat

I think she was at a business function with Stone Sr., too. If she’s CEO of the Toronto office, she’s going to have to go to events like that, especially with her boss.

Kat

Kimmy treats their conversation... their interchange... as though it were, a not quite civilized fencing match. She attacks and defends with precision, Josh isn't even aware he is competing. We can see why Stone is happy to place his big business in her capable hands... Where Josh is concerned, despite the prelude and the mythical preparation... she remains as detached and oblivious of who he was and who he is. All she resorts too are bullshit promises and vulnerable ripostes. (I use the term bullshit advisedly). She is tamping down a geyser of guilt and fear... Ms. Smart Arse Chang doesn't seem to realise the extent she's a loser. Or perhaps she does, but a little humility wouldn't come amiss. This Kimmy acts as if she has no intentions of winning him, or her own honesty, back. She acts as though she has a specific agenda... in which once again her needs are paramount! Though perhaps she's learned enough to suspect that even with the title executive to the Big Boss she is a human resource for HIM to tout and pimp around. Just look at how he treated his own son, much though her 'ex' deserved it... Bentham and Mill's bogus Greater Good rears its ugly narcissistic head yet again. It may not sound like it at times, but I still trust you, KT. These are my speculations... and one thing Josh has is friends... "We all need someone we can lean on!" I know she has, Hyun. But in my book... Hyun ain't no lick spittle knee crooking knave. Rather, like several characters in King Lear she will speak truth even to someone who dangles the power of love over her head...

Bill F Protagoras

So many elements of this that we just don't know yet: 1. Did Stone blackmail her? Is he still? This could be a whole Rezza scenario, for all we know; with Stone Sr. not only sexually enslaving her, but sharing her with others. 2. When did Kimmy learn of him dating Karina? How long after that did she (if she did) begin sleeping with Stone Sr.? Honestly, if Josh is dating Karina, and hasn't bothered for months now to visit his own daughter, I can't blame Kimmy to wonder 'What am I holding out for? This bastard won't even visit his own daughter, and has moved on." 3. I may be mistaken, but I don't think Josh knows even now that Kimmy stole, and the terror and stress that she's been under because of Stone Sr. knowing about that; and the real threat of prison time (and ruin) that she's been under. For those feeling like Kimmy hasn't suffered, I feel like she has in that regard. And to me, that's not trivial. I don't know how I'd sleep at night if I feared going to prison. And to live under that constant fear...for months?? Even if I never ended up in jail, living with that fear daily for so long sounds like truly a living hell.

Pete

I don’t think she’s dating Stone Sr., Andrew, but I’ve been wrong many, many times so far. Lol

Kat

See, I wondered the same thing. Is her hesitation there because of who she was with and what she was doing, and knowing how that plays out .. or because she was there on Stone business, not with Sr., but being there spills the beans on who she works for, and she wanted to work her way up to that? It's so hard to know with Kimmy. Lying is second nature for her.

L_S87

She has to know that doing anything with Stone Sr. would mean Josh would be gone forever. He’s not going to be cool with that, after everything she’s put him through. From what little we’ve gotten from Kimmy’s POV (although she’s been an unreliable narrator), it sounds like she wants Josh back. She even calls the house “their house”. Also, she’s been known as Kimmy Chang since she started working for Stone. As for the ring, she may not want to answer questions about her marriage.

Kat

So, KT. Are we getting Tree of Life, as in their relationship survives these fruits it's born from Kimmy's choices over the last 12 months or is this more of a Revelations, end of Josh's world sort of thing? Maybe Kimmy's too, since she's the one that planted all these seeds.

L_S87

I agree JL, I think Kimmy is afraid to say anything wrong for fear Josh is going to bolt right out of there. They haven’t seen each other in a year. They have a child together. It’s going to be walking on eggshells for a while.

Kat

I think the event was a one time thing, too, L_S. I also think KT left the ending like that so that we’d obsess ourselves to death over what’s coming next. We’ve been wrong before. Lol And if Kimmy is providing some sort of “favours” for Stone Sr. it certainly portends a very dark ending to this book. After all, it is a dark-bully-cuckold drama. 😐

Kat

Yeah I guess there's a universe where her finding out about Karina convinced her Josh was moving on, and that left her open to pursuing something with the father after he saved her. I still think it's more likely she reacted defensively to Josh and didn't in the moment mind that he was thinking she's dating Senior. But you can also read it that perhaps he helped, saved her as Josh laments instead of him, and even if she wasn't looking for it, they've grown closer and are involved in more than business. As always, we stop a chapter right at a point where we can't wait for the next one to learn what we don't know yet.

JL23

She did say "their house", not "their home". She is lawyer, and knows it's a marital asset and the money used was combined income. With the decisions and secrets, it won't be a home anytime soon.

Chris K

I wish Josh pushed his plate away, and said "yours were made with love. I'm not hungry." Kimmy is a globe trotting exec with a servant nannynow who is too busy to make dinner and take care of a kid. I'm sure the breast feeding she just gave was all for show for the benefit of Josh. I know he still loves her, but he must be looking at the specter of Kimmy wondering how he could ever be attracted to this?

Chris K

Where Karina may play in to Kimmy's "winning Josh back" plan is if she thought he was moving on, as much as she'd hate it, maybe she was still in a place at that point where she felt it was better for Josh. The texts during those first couple of months, and Sophie's observations, indicate she was going through something to get where she's at now. And maybe is still going through it. I don't think the father just magically appeared to offer her a job the day after she left, and she's just been having success and moving on from Josh. Also, my read on Kimmy's POV is she's just as scared that Josh is going to reject her as he's scared she's really moved on. It could just be that they've both been paralyzed by anxiety over their relationship, each wanting an answer but fearing what the other's answer would be. So it's easier to delay the reckoning. I know...I'm too much the romantic. But it would be in keeping with how they've both acted through a lot of the story.

JL23

You could be right, JL, it just doesn't feel that way to me. Her defensiveness feels too strong for there not to be something there. Then again, maybe she's miffed he would think she'd do that after Devlin, and even more miffed about Karina, even if she knows she deserves it, so she's taking a jab in anger. As you said, it's a function, she was his date, but only for the event, Josh read too much into it, and Kimmys irked that what is already difficult is made more difficult by him focusing on things that aren't important, at least to Kimmy. Hopefully we'll find out next chapter as I'm sure Kimmy must have some sort of a follow up or explanation as to why things went the way they did. Maybe with an apology for Josh being out in an even worse place than he already was just so she could save herself.

L_S87

Josh’s mouth tweaked to one side, the sign of a smile. She leaned forward again and touched his arm, rested her hand on it. She smiled as well, so deeply relieved that Josh accepted his daughter. Saw that she was his daughter with no extracurricular convincing. Is extracurricular the correct word to use here?

Tracey52

Would like to know when the paternity test was done. Was it early in the pregnancy? Early enough to abort like Josh asked her or later, part of the ammunition to get Josh back? If I was Josh, I would have had a look at it. No room for trust here.

Tracey52

Possible we get Kimmy POV "flashback" chapters to learn everything that has happened to get her to this place.

JL23

Kimmy is a piece of work! Didn’t even make the dumplings. It doesn’t matter that it’s her recipe. It’s like getting your secretary to send your wife flowers. Kimmy just doesn’t have that empathy or insight. Second going to Cambodia for a week and I assume leaving Colleen behind with Hyun. I mean really. Probably travels a lot. I wonder what nefarious activities she was performing over there for Stone brokerage? Btw how does breast feeding work in that case? Can’t pump for a week away can you? Three, Josh having a mental breakdown and her still staying away. Is that not in the same ball park as walking/falling in the lake? Meanwhile she’s is getting her life back together including dating Stone sr, supposedly in preparation for winning Josh back. What reality is she living in? Oh I know the one she creates and wants everyone else to believe. Poor Josh. It’s like the black widow spider eating her mate after they have mated. Will he succumb willingly like the male spider?

Tracey52

She had never been more nervous in her life. Josh sat at her new dining room table, a long washed-oak handcrafted table she and Hyun had bought in Guelph and had delivered. Josh. A man it had taken a whole year to prepare for. So much had to be in place before she would ever be able to receive Josh as a guest in her home. Really, in their home. She had used their money as a down payment and Josh had never even asked her why the money was gone. Is this chapter separation correct KT?

Tracey52

JL, while I agree with most of what you have written, you’re being naive. Of course she is fucking Stone senior! She admitted it when she counted Josh on not telling her about Karina. Knowing what we know about the Stones and Stone senior that would have been a given as part of the deal to not prosecute her. May have cost her her legal license though. Stone Sr would love that people think he is fucking this young smart Asian hottie executive. Especially if Devlin knows. Hence the picture. Total revenge for Kimmy. She probably watches the video with Stone Sr while fucking. Kimmy would have known this going in so kept Josh distant to “protect” him and is too narcissistic to realise this would likely hurt Josh as much if not worse than her previous betrayal. I think she is a cunt really. Sorry about the language. She definitely wants Josh back, and maybe the affair with Stone Sr is over or maybe she intends it to continue and expects Josh to live with it. She holds all the cards especially Colleen. It’s clearly over with Devlin. I don’t think we’ll hear from him again. The book is not about Devlin, he was just a prop. It’s been clear for some time that Kimmy is the devil in the Waters. It also seems that she is stringing Hyun along too. Probably having sex with her on occasion too. Kimmy has everything she wants except Josh and plans to have him too. She may even be deceiving herself into to thinking and believing she is doing all this out of love for Josh. She doesn’t know the first thing about love. Even Colleen seems more a tool to one up her sister rather than a product of the love between husband and wife. I was always in the hopeful HEA camp, but I hope Josh lets it all out and stops being a pussy and tells her to get fucked or better yet throw a chair at her🤪. He needs to get over her, arrange visitation with Colleen and move on. If he comes back, he’ll be little more than another accessory for Kimmy. Unless. Having said all that and thrown my metaphorical chair at Kimmy, what a tour de force by KT. KT has brought it together magnificently, believable (I have no problem with the reality of how Kimmy extracted herself from the embezzlement. Reread how she presented it to Stone Sr. He would see the opportunity it presented) and true to their characters. This is what KT told us in recent posts is how she wanted them to act.Kimmy is just being Kimmy. What will be fascinating from here is how Josh reacts to this realisation. Does he grow, man up or fold? Just simply amazing KT.

Tracey52

Could be, but the way she reacted to how he initially brought up the photo with Sr was more she felt bad he saw it and interpreted it to mean something it wasn't, and not a sense she was doing it to get back at Josh. I suspect she just was at a function with the father on business, and figured Josh would never see it. When he pushes her on it, that's when I think the jealousy over Karina bubbles to the surface, hence her response. Of course you could also interpret her initial reaction as embarrassment and dread cause now she has to admit she's involved in more than business with Stone, but again it doesn't feel like that to me. I think the dueling POV's while frustrating at times, also are useful. Cause we see how both of them are perceiving the exact same interaction, and both perceiving the worst possible motives as to how the other is responding. With Josh everything she says is colored by his anger and hurt at her betrayals. With Kimmy, I think she feels like she's always about to step on landmines that will go off and cause Josh to leave her for good. Which leaves her reluctant to have an honest conversation.

JL23

You're right, JL. The entire series, she's largely treated him that way, not the least of which is this "saving" scenario with Stone Sr. For me, it somewhat comes across that her patronizing words, at that point, may have more to do with feeling defensive over something she knows is a problem she created and that Josh will find objectionable, so she deflects, while also being genuinely angry that he dated Karina. Part of why I wanted to keep her POV, so we can understand her feelings about Josh and Karina. Because it almost comes across that "The Photo" was a retaliation. Probably not specifically, but more generally in regards to his dating. "See, I can do it too!" Kind of hard to know because of the lack of info. I will give Kimmy credit at the end that she let Josh vent those feelings without interrupting or coming up with some BS excuse. She simply validated that yes, she did that, and perhaps the nod is her way of acknowledging Josh's right to be angry over her decisions.

L_S87

Yeah Kat, I think that's their problem, even if they both don't see it. She doesn't respect Josh, or feels he's too fragile and someone she needs to protect from life's hardships, rather than being someone to lean on for help getting through those hardships. And the evidence would show perhaps she's not wrong to think that. But did Josh fall apart here only cause she left him, or cause she didn't even trust him to try and help her?

JL23

May we assume Kimmy was with Stone, Sr for the week in Cambodia?

Wayne

I'm afraid, Chris, that mercifully setting him free would not be the solution... perhaps a spike from a penetrating bolt gun discretely borrowed from a knackers' yard fired into his skull might do the job. I'd suggest the Old Yeller teaching moment but I doubt Kimmy's Dad could bring himself to see Josh as a rabid dog... Good to see you again.

Bill F Protagoras

One thing I think we have to remember from Josh's POV is he is going to look at anything Kimmy says and put the most negative spin imaginable on it. He may perceive her as being confrontational and patronizing when that wasn't her intention at all. Indeed, from her POV you get the real sense she wants him back, and probably wants him to move back and be with her, but is really worried he'll reject her. But...I don't think Josh is totally off to feel she's patronizing toward him. It might be not what she intends, but I think a real issue is that Kimmy doesn't trust him, or see him as an equal to her. I go back to the "You're the heart Josh, I'm the spine" comment several books and a thousand years ago. She sees Josh as fragile and someone she needs to protect, not as someone to partner with through life's hardships. I hope he mentions that to her, but I feel like he's too blinded by his hurt to make that distinction in how she treats him, and explain it in a way she'll understand and take to heart.

JL23

Okay, not fair, KT. You merely wetted my appetite and now I want more! Things answered, sort of, but even more questions! Loved Kimmy's POV, although I wish it had stayed there for the whole chapter so we could get Kimmy's true feelings about Josh and Karina, because that statement about not having the right to voice her dismay, while technically maybe true, seems to be a lie to cover up how angry she is about it. Almost as if her assessment of the $14k picture, and finding humor in it, was because she felt like it was just deserts for Josh dating Karina and her finding out 3rd hand. (Minor gripe here, but why do we get Josh's reaction, in fine detail, to Kimmy being with Stone Sr and that pic yet Kimmy's reaction to Karina is hidden from us? It's just as important a detail, yet is glossed over) I agree with everyone else that Kimmy's thoughts seem to indicate she wants a reconciliation, hence the prep and nervousness. And her initial responses. But once we get to Josh's POV, it almost seems to flip 180, and it feels like she's merely explaining as little as she has to and even seems to be confrontational and somewhat dismissive of Josh. I'm thinking a lot of that has to do with angst about Karina, but it's hard to say, because going back to my gripe, we get zero focus on that very important fact, in prior chapters or from Kimmy's PoV, so we don't know. Hopefully next chapter or two will fill that out. I definitely want more from Kimmy as it feels like we're missing a lot here by not getting her insights. Then again, part of her actions may be because she knows what she's done, knows Josh is angry, and has a right to be, about it, so she's trying to deflect and be as circumspect as possible while navigating what she knows is a mine field. One that destroys any chance of them getting back together, if that's what she wants. Josh focusing on the hurt at the end makes it feel like that's unlikely, although I will note that if he hated her or worse, didn't care, I don't think he'd be feeling so torn up about it. You only feel that kind of pain when the ones you love hurt you. Perhaps Kimmy's feeling a bit petty because Josh hurt her with Karina? Though, in her defense, the verbal sparring disappeared instantly when Josh mentioned his clear pain associated with her pushing him away so someone else could save her. Next chapter will be interesting to see how she responds with how/why that happened. If Josh allows it. Feels like he might bolt.

L_S87

Maybe she did. That would be a fitting ending for that asshole (Devlin). I also think her anxiety is because of Josh. She said it more than once in the story that she was doing everything for them, to buy them a house so they could start a family. This whole thing was for them, except when it wasn’t. 😏

Kat

😂

Kat

It's possible, and yes it's dark. I don't get the sense that Kimmy's anxiety is in any way related to the job, or her status with the money. Her anxiety feels to me more like trying to figure out how to get Josh to reconcile with her. But just my initial thought. Again, I still see how it feels too easy that Kimmy got away with the money and ended up running Stone. But we don't know everything, perhaps she figured out a way for Devlin to take the fall on all of that.

JL23

KT has in other instalments undermined Joshua with adjectives etc. I deliberately didn't end my post with words my dark muse gifted me... because I realized it was unfair... in my head it ended. "Or is there any difference". I can't converse like this... It's like dropping words into a sluggish maelstrom. My patreon is glitched to fuck.

Bill F Protagoras

From a forgotten comedian: Guelph isn't a town name, it's the sound when you pull your rubber boot out of the muck.

KT Morrison

You're all correct. it's unfair, but it's how Josh perceives Kimmy's assessment. Unfair to himself and unfair to her.

KT Morrison

The Guelphs and Ghibellines the opposing 'teams' backed by Romeo and Juliet's families... mirroring the difficulties between Dante and Beatriz.

Bill F Protagoras

I wonder if that paternity test was her idea, or if Stone Sr had an interest?

Chris K

I was thinking something along the lines of what you had considered with Glenn in the comments a few chapters back, with the addition that Stone Sr seemingly has all the leverage to send Kimmy to prison if he chose. And this would be a way to big dog his son, taking away his "toy," along with the apparent exile and the humiliation of Kimmy taking his position in the company. To be fair, this is certainly a dark story. Given the story up to this point, I don't think an ending without some further darkness of one sort or another would ring true. And we've got like a dozen more chapters or so to go.

Glaucon

Just put him out of his misery Kimmy. Whether you want to or not, you just keep fucking things up...

Chris K

I can't write like this with things disappearing like this... I'd best just enjoy the effective emotional tugging under currents of your wicked writing it's probably for the best in the long run.

Bill F Protagoras

That was Josh describing how he thinks Kimmy perceives him. We switched back and forth from their POV's.

JL23

I mean, that is possible, certainly. And she was doing "that" with Devlin. I just don't think she'd put herself in that position. Hard to keep that hidden, and it was different with Devlin when she was just a company lawyer to when she's the office boss. Unless she had no choice, but that feels like a darker story.

JL23

My knowledge of smaller Canadian cities is only through being a hockey fan and hearing the towns where they have junior hockey (basically for younger players trying to make the NHL). The Guelph Storm, the Peterborough Petes. Don't think Unionville has a team.

JL23

I agree Kat. Dating the father would be a terrible look for her if she's ultimately working for him. I can't see how she'd ever do that. But...the way it appears she resolved her problems is not going to make a reconciliation with Josh very easy. I agree too, she wants him back. And she was super jealous at the thought he was dating Karina. Long way to go for these two and a HEA.

JL23

"milquetoast man," Shit, KT. Or should I say Kimmy?

Bill F Protagoras

If she and Stone Sr are doing anything, I'd put money on "dating" not being an accurate description.

Glaucon

That was Josh's POV, imagining how Kimmy thinks of him.

JL23

“You’re good at getting what you want.”

Bill F Protagoras

Wow, there’s so much here. Firstly, I don’t think Kimmy is dating Devlin’s dad. Josh is still rightfully bitter with her, jumping to conclusions. From the beginning of the chapter, with Kimmy’s POV, it sounded like Kimmy is hoping for a reconciliation with Josh. “So much had to be in place before she would ever be able to receive Josh as a guest in her home. Really, in their home.” She used their money to buy the house. Her intention is clear. She bought it for them, Josh, Colleen and Kimmy. It explains how she had enough for a down payment on an expensive house. Her mortgage is probably huge, but her new job probably pays her a small fortune. It sounds like Kimmy wants Josh back. It also sounds like she and Hyun have somehow gone back to being close friends. You know, I’m okay with that. I’m okay with her not revealing her affair with Hyun to Josh, as long as they’re not still together in that way. Confessing that would cause so much damage to all of them, especially Sophie. Kimmy also never told his parents about Colleen, and it seems like she didn’t badmouth him to her father, if her father was checking in on Josh. The dumplings, too, were a gesture to Josh. She seems to have been working at redeeming herself. She did get her wish, though, and her plan worked. She really got Devlin’s job. I hope we get the details about that. I wonder if Stone had her doing anything underhanded in order to get that job and pay him back. Something big had to have happened. You don’t just fire your son, and replace him with a relatively new employee who just embezzled 75K from you! Josh is rightfully pissed off, but I’m sure Kimmy had to go through something bad for this to have happened. Even the separation from Josh, being alone and pregnant, knowing what he was going through must have been very hard for her. I have to believe she stayed away from him for a reason. I’m also glad to hear that Josh dated Karina, whatever that means. I know that @Andrew will be, too! Lol 😂 Kimmy is so jealous, and I’m glad to see it. It means she still loves him. She didn’t just walk out on him because she was done, or being cruel. Can you tell I’m still hoping for a HEA? 🙏 Josh is seeing everything through his resentment and low esteem. Everything looks beautiful and perfect. That’s what Kimmy wants him to see. There has to be a lot of ugly stuff buried deep. None of this was easy for Kimmy. I really believe that. But, KT, why do you leave us hanging right when it’s getting good…getting to the point in the story that we’re all dying for. Argh! Lol Loved this chapter so much. Made my shitty day, too. 😀

Kat

So interesting. Here's what I think if I'm reading it right. 1) I don't think Kimmy is romantically involved with Stone Sr. Beyond other things, it would be a bad look for an executive to be dating the owner like that. But I now think less that she had some kind of revenge plan in place, and more that she convinced the father she was better suited to run the company and forced Devlin out (hey that's kind of great revenge). This is the first time we've seen her POV, and I think she's still hinting she wants Josh back. It took a year to be ready to have him in the house. She bought the house with "their" money. I think she wanted to solve her own problems before winning Josh back. Again, maybe I'm just hopeful she wouldn't be dating the father. However, her actions lead to #2. 2) By telling Josh to stay away and not help her, only to figure out a solution through Devlin's father, is going to be a barrier to reconciliation, if that's still what she wants. Again, even if she's not aware she does it, Kimmy has never treated Josh as equal to her. She tried to manipulate him into making decisions with Devlin, cause she thought she knew better than him what he wanted (and really, cause she wanted it a certain way and needed Josh to come along). Now, she rebuffed his help with her own problems and figured a way out herself, which only increases the gulf between them. Her successes are not perceived by Josh as his success, cause she cut him out of making any decisions about it. Maybe I'm seeing from a masculine ego brain, but I can't see Josh being accepting of it. They could have acted as a team and worked together, instead she did it all herself and now (may) be looking to Josh to come back to her. 3) I wonder if learning Josh was dating, or has dated, Karina played into Kimmy's decision making. She went "radio silent" right around the time Josh said he started dating. Maybe the knowledge pushed her to do the same and maybe she's now dating the father cause of it. That would be pretty tragic if so. I still don't think she's actually dating the father. But clearly she's not happy Josh was dating (another sign she still wants him back to me) 4) It's still possible there is more to the story of how she ended up running Stone. But I'm more inclined to believe it actually is on the up and up, and that the father realized her potential and gave her the job. Still though...someone steals $75k from you and respond by...making her head of your business? Maybe cause she stole money Devlin was misappropriating, and she could claim she was shining a light on it. 5) All in all, not quite as tragic as I feared (unless she actually is dating Stone), but I think it sets up a long reconciliation if it's even still possible. Josh is not coming back and moving in like all is forgiven. I think his love of Colleen will keep him from spiraling from this news, but if Kimmy does still want him back, it's going to take a lot of time and effort.

JL23

I think that's just Josh bitterly imagining how Kimmy must think of him in that moment, so it's an intentionally unfair descriptor.

Glaucon

"Guelph", an even greater bitter irony as I watched the humblingly impressive 'Ghostlight' last night.

Bill F Protagoras

milquetoast? Is that fair?

HTO

Omg! 😱 This is so good so far. I was having such a bad day today, and then this suddenly appeared. Thank you, KT!

Kat


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