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DITW 15-6: The Longhouse

Added 2024-08-04 15:57:00 +0000 UTC

Kimmy pushed her plate away. He did the same. It was a mistake to come for dinner. He should have come a long time ago. Come to see Colleen.

Elbows on the table, he rubbed his cheeks then cupped his hands on his face and breathed. He said into his hands, “I want to be in Colleen’s life. If that’s all right with you.”

“Josh, of course,” she said, her tone superior, chafed by his request.

He dropped his hands. “Do you think I’m being dramatic?”

Kimmy retreated, stung by his defense. She looked down, nodded, realizing maybe her tone was equivalent to rolling her eyes. Dismissing him.

She said, “We’re not going to eat. Can I show you around the house?”

“I’d rather talk.”

Kimmy looked away, to the door that would lead them out of their stuffy confinement. “Then let’s take a walk. We can go outside and have privacy. You can yell at me.”

“I’m not yelling.”

“Raise your voice,” she offered and shrugged. “Do whatever. You can tell me what you think of me.”

She wasn’t taking no for an answer, standing now, touching his arm, encouraging him to go with her. He stood and followed her out the door, into a hallway beside the room where he’d first met his daughter. Now he was rubbing his brow, wincing from the emotional overfeeding and all the sick hurt in his heart that it conveyed.

Kimmy exited the house and held the back door for him. The colder night air hit his cheeks with a welcome snap that widened his eyes and woke him up. Kimmy closed the door and walked past him, out into the grass in her slippers. He followed her, staying on the brick walkway because he was wearing socks and the grass would be cold and wet. Kimmy turned, saw him a few arm lengths away and looked down at his feet. She corrected her path and met up with him on the walkway. She looked fantastic. Healthy, but a little worn out. Her eyes were tired, but nothing could stop the beauty showing in her cheekbones and jawline, and the easy grace in her long limbs and lithe body. Even under the unstructured pajamas and the robe, she showed a gentle poise.

She said, “How do you want it to be with Colleen?”

“She’s my daughter. I want to be her dad.” He shrugged, not feeling confident enough to set forward a time structure or make any demands. He didn’t have the willpower right now to fight her if she rejected any of his claims. “We should work that all out later. Not tonight.”

“This must be big for you.”

“That’s an understatement,” he said.

She turned her face to his and he looked down. Kimmy reached for him and plucked a hair from his sweater. Her fingers were long and fine, pulling the hair away, long and black.

He sighed, said, “I just, I’m blown away how you’ve moved on without me. You have everything and I have nothing and I’m an afterthought.”

Kimmy tugged on his elbow, both his hands stuck in into his pockets. “That’s the old woe-is-me Josh.”

He looked to see her smiling, those tired eyes showing warmth and not disappointment.

He said, “Tell me I’m wrong.”

She nodded her head to the side, toward a carriage house at the end of the driveway, the driveway extending from the road, past the main house, and along one side of the backyard. He checked to the right, saw his Nissan still parked there, not a lot of car thefts in Unionville, and followed in Kimmy’s path to a door at the back side of the carriage house. She pulled a key from her robe’s pocket and unlocked the door, stepped in and turned on a light. She encouraged him to follow her in.

The carriage house was a two car garage with a second floor, and the back door opened into a tiny foyer and a set of narrow stairs that led up to the second floor. The small space smelled like paint and drywall.

Kimmy walked up the stairs and he followed. The top of the stairwell opened to the right onto an open living space and a kitchen. She flicked more light switches and the room lit up. There was a leather couch and a TV, a table to eat at, and the kitchen was warm and inviting with under the cabinet lighting and terra cotta backsplashes, the amenities in glossy black.

“This was the renovation,” she said, gesturing to the room, putting her hands in her robe pockets. Her head angled to the side, lips pursed, watching him.

He stared back.

Kimmy rubbed her neck like it was sore, grimacing, then speaking very quietly, saying, “I did it for you. I want you to live here.”

Josh rolled his head on his neck, feeling for the first time today some sort of tugging heartstring, some sort of connection to the woman who’d gutted him. When he regarded her again, he could see her eyes were wet and shining.

She said through sad-garbled speech: “I want you to see our daughter every day of her life.” Her voice broke up, and she had to wipe tears away with the back of a wrist. She sniffled, trying to restore her facade, extending an arm and holding out the carriage house key for him to take. “There’s a bedroom and a bathroom behind that door.” She jingled the key. “Come, I’ll show you.”

Josh took the key, one part of him fighting against her, wanting to reject it, another part so relieved, so happy he wouldn’t be excised so easily from Colleen’s life. And, god damn it, happy that Kimmy wanted him. Or at least didn’t want to make their daughter’s life difficult.

Kimmy turned away, walking to the door beyond the kitchen table, pulling from the other robe pocket a scrunched up tissue. She wiped her nose, put the tissue away, and opened the door at the back. Josh trudged behind her, wanting to live here, wanting to be in his daughter’s life every day, but hating this supportive aspect; of being in his wife’s house. Of being an add-on to his busy wife’s fabulous lifestyle. Of sitting in this fucking apartment and watching some luxurious motor coach pull into the driveway, Kimmy trotting off in high heels to go into the city with her billionaire boyfriend. And here her husband would sit; a voyeur. A loser.

The bedroom was furnished, a queen-size bed, masculine bedding, a chair, some dark furniture, and windows at the front of the carriage house looking down onto the driveway. He entered the bedroom, hands in his pockets, heart heavy, mood growing dank and swampy. He walked to the window and looked out to see his Nissan parked where Devlin’s father would park when he came to pick up Kimmy. Maybe it wouldn’t even be Devlin’s father, maybe Devlin’s father would send a service to pick Kimmy up, escort her into the city where he probably had his own skyscraper condo that showed all the twinkling lights of the city like sparkling jewels.

He turned away and faced Kimmy, not wanting that scenario to play out in his imagination to its lurid conclusion.

Kimmy stood with hands clasped at her front, looking hopeful. Like this in-law apartment would suit him; this was the fitting place for her husband; a prison cell where he could sit in purgatorial reverie, watching his wife live an amazing life, and he would be relegated to house duty, taking care of Kimmy’s offspring like Hyun. Hyun stayed here for free, Meyer said. Hyun had her own room, rent-free, and Kimmy even leased her a car. Hyun didn’t work. Hyun went to college at night and took care of Colleen during the day.

When he said nothing, Kimmy stepped to the side and pushed open another door, showing him the bathroom. Then she resumed that hopeful pose, tall and thin and elegant in her satin robe, hands clasped at her front.

Josh walked back to her, looked into the dark bathroom. They stood close together, almost touching; he could hear her breathe. She smelled amazing; like pale perfume and something else. Something motherly. He leaned his shoulder on the bathroom’s door jamb and regarded her. Her eyes looked weak and tired, the hopeful shimmer fading. He leaned his head to the side until his skull touched the sharp corner-edge of the jamb, eyes staying on her. The apartment offended him and yet charmed him as well.

His daughter Colleen lived in the main house; the new, sole importance in his life. And this gesture of Kimmy’s was kindness, not antagonization. He’d love to tell her to go fuck a duck, and he’d get an apartment nearby. But he couldn’t afford that. He’d been on disability for months now. He’d gone through his personal savings buying Meyer his birthday gift and taking that exorbitant cross-country bike trip. Kimmy had taken their house fund and bought a house.

In that case, the apartment was rightfully his.

But to sit here and watch...? Sit here and watch his wife...?

He said, “What’s it like with him?”

“Who?” Her voice cracked when she spoke and she touched long fingers to her collar.

“You know who. Stone senior.”

She nodded and looked down. “Keith.”

“Keith Stone, huh? You and him. He’s a billionaire. Least that’s what the article said.”

Kimmy looked up and regarded him plainly. She said no more.

He said, “Were you with him when you were pregnant? Or is this a new thing?”

Kimmy exhaled, wincing, like she didn’t want to talk to her husband about the man she was dating.

“Does he ever come here? Does he come to the house?”

Kimmy stepped away, showing him her back, head bowing. “No, Josh,” she said, her voice barely a whisper.

“I want to know what I’m getting into.” The question was reasonable.

Kimmy rubbed her brow. “I’ve only gone out with him a few times.”

“How old is he?”

“Fifty-six.”

Now he wished he could stop asking questions. That old rolling angst began swirling in his guts, racing his heart with something like hate and lust. Keith Stone was a fucking asshole. His parents had talked with Keith Stone back in those olden days about his son’s bullying and come home saying it. “What a fucking asshole.” And his mom almost never swore. And that’s the man who was in his life now. Without his say.

He lurched away from the door jamb, a surprising swell of old fears and passions pushing past the cobwebs the medication had spun in his brain. His heart raced and his muscles swelled with the rush of adrenalin.

He had closed the distance between him and Kimmy, looking at her slender shoulders, wanting to grab one and spin her around, demand from her an explanation on how one woman could be so terrible.

“I can’t stay here,” he said in a low growl of simmering anger.

Kimmy turned now, expression harrowed. “Josh, you have to. Please...”

He shook his head, “He’s fifty-six, how can you even...” His hands went to fists, his jaw clenched and his brow lowered, his mind’s eye flashing all kinds of wicked and dirty scenarios he didn’t want to see. Kimmy held her throat and watched him, eyes glimmering with wet.

He wanted to claw away his own skin and climb out of himself. But Kimmy regarded him with earnest hope. Like she needed him here. But what about him? What about what he needed?

How about what Colleen needed?

He rubbed his brow, pumping the brakes on runaway emotion, nodding, huffing air through his nose like a bothered bull. The anger rose again. “Are you fucking him?”

Kimmy closed her eyes and looked away. Then stepped away. He wanted to grab that shoulder again and spin her to face him.

“Tell me,” he said, demanding to know what he was getting into.

Even though she faced away, he could see Kimmy nodding.

Comments

Well, if it goes that route I hope KT lets Josh use what in my opinion is the greatest line in erotic writing history. From “Learning Lessons” when Pete tells Jess, “I never, ever knew you were such a poisonous c*nt.”

Bill H.

2024-08-08 22:50:13 +0000 UTC

JL, maybe she wants Josh in her life because he grounds her. Maybe he’s the only person who can do that and she knows she needs that. I don’t know. I’m thinking about this too much!

Bill H.

2024-08-08 22:18:06 +0000 UTC

I hope it’s later this evening.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-08 19:10:01 +0000 UTC

Me too. It’s getting intolerable. I’m here checking all the time. I hope so much that the next chapter answers some of our questions. I don’t know how much more I can take. Lol 🫠🫠🫠

Kat

2024-08-08 18:29:49 +0000 UTC

I'm kind of enjoying the wait. Speculating on what might happen and reading what everyone else thinks. It will be interesting to see what actually happens when KT is done.

Bill H.

2024-08-08 18:25:50 +0000 UTC

Same. Even at work! 🤦

Chris K

2024-08-08 18:24:53 +0000 UTC

I’m certainly going nuts and checking for a post every 15 minutes it’s seems day or night. I’ll be so frustrated if the next chapter leaves us with more questions than answers. Probably will though. KT is the maestro of the tease.

Tracey52

2024-08-08 18:08:51 +0000 UTC

KT has taken close to two weeks between chapters before during the Hazelton scene. It feels longer now because of where we are in the book. We’re near the end, and the last couple chapters feel so off in relation to the rest of the story. I think a lot of us are going out of our minds seeing as there are well over 400 comments on this chapter. 😱

Kat

2024-08-08 16:47:50 +0000 UTC

I think something will happen by today? I want KT to get it right. Especially after being shocked by the last chapter.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-08 15:44:38 +0000 UTC

I can hardly fault KT if that's the case. Whether it's a time jump with memories of what happened after Kimmy's nod, or a POV from Kimmy herself after her somewhat brutal revelation with a potential explanation of why she's made the decisions she has, this next chapter is probably going to be the linchpin for how everything ends. So for obvious reasons it needs to be "right". Whether I agree with the path or not, one can never fault KT on being dedicated to making sure every nuance is exactly as it needs to be to paint a vivid picture for us.

L_S87

2024-08-08 14:39:49 +0000 UTC

I feel like this happened when Josh fell in the water, took a while for the next chapter. Could be it's making sure the next chapter reads exactly how she wants it to. But we've also just gone 5-7 days between chapters before, for whatever reason. That ending was just so pivotal and left a lot us scratching our heads, needing to find out more about what it all means.

JL23

2024-08-08 14:29:37 +0000 UTC

Hmmmm, Patreon says we're on 404 posts. Seems like a hint about something not being found. Like our next chapter!

L_S87

2024-08-08 13:42:49 +0000 UTC

Blackmail and coercion have no caducity in them. Once you make that first payment.. you are potentially locked in forever. Kimmy is finally learning the golden rule the hard way. She has shown how she expects to be done by. And who she will do... On the other hand, addiction is so hard to shake off, especially when the one percent product is scarce... "There's no success like failure, and failure's no success at all." By having cut ties with Josh, Kimmy now has the power Keith allows her to have, 'she' has the child she always wanted, and she controls the purse strings. She has successfully broken the heart she once, we are led to believe, admired. Josh will now be a shade living in the shadow of herself that she has become. She has Hyun exactly where she wants her. Now she can seek out newer shinier trophies to add to her melancholy collection... and best of all Keith has her under his wing. Protection at last! Thank goodness there was no Alexander or Solomon to put a spanner in the works. People, mice. The best they can plan for is getting laid... synonym... fucked! Lets make a wild surmise. Happily ever after. Colophon! Tear drops will fall! (Version Ry Cooder "Into the Purple Valley." Tears for a love that's gone Beyond repair, When I dim the light in my room tonight, Tear drops will fall!

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-08 01:08:23 +0000 UTC

Most I've seen on any post on Patreon!

Chris K

2024-08-07 23:45:47 +0000 UTC

I see another night tossing and turning in my future.

Bill H.

2024-08-07 23:08:00 +0000 UTC

RCH, you also bring up a really good point when you mention that Josh has "suppressed his hotwife fetish." I keep wondering what happened to that. It was such a big part of all the early books. I know some feel that he liked cuckolding/humiliation only as a fantasy, but not the reality. That's possible, but if it was deep-rooted enough, it's also possible that Josh's first taste of it in reality simply scared him. So his actions and words back then may reflect more of a reaction based on fear, rather than any true self-realization.

Pete

2024-08-07 23:04:48 +0000 UTC

Honestly Bill? I have no freaking idea anymore. I see evidence she could have worked things out free and clear, and is some sort of relationship with the father where there’s no coercion involved. To me, that’s kind of what the face value is showing us. But then I also feel like it some of the things Kimmy did makes no sense if that’s the case. At the very least, I think it’s hard to explain without painting her in a really negative light. Ghosting him…spending their money without telling him…getting out of trouble but still not contacting him…get ting involved in a new relationship where she’s sleeping with someone before at least trying to see where they now stood. None of that makes sense to me, based on the Kimmy from the last book. So my honest, uniformed answer is I think she’s MOSTLY free and clear. But there is something holding her back, something she’s hiding and doesn’t want Josh to know. I just don’t know what.

JL23

2024-08-07 23:04:29 +0000 UTC

It doesn’t seem so, because she tells Josh they’ve only gone out a few times. She is sleeping with him, though. That seems to be the opinion here. If that’s the case, that could have been going on for a while, so maybe there is some sort of relationship. Or mutual benefits, if she’s doing this under duress. He gets sex and she stays out of jail. I don’t know about that. I can’t see Kimmy being forced to do anything sexually that she wouldn’t enjoy. Even in the beginning with Hyun she didn’t want to do it, but enjoyed it all the same.

Kat

2024-08-07 23:02:49 +0000 UTC

I wish she had gone to him after Colleen was born, but then we wouldn’t have a Book 15. Lol

Kat

2024-08-07 22:52:17 +0000 UTC

Kat, I wish Josh had said he wants to see that paperwork. Kimmy seemed very open to showing him. I would have wanted to see it just to make sure.

Bill H.

2024-08-07 22:47:12 +0000 UTC

Kat and JL, so do you guys believe that Kimmy is in a relationship with Stone Sr. that she doesn't want to be in but has to be? Is that the Devil's bargain? Is she doing it to stay out of jail? I hope she's still in love with Josh. Keith Stone worries me, though.

Bill H.

2024-08-07 22:38:18 +0000 UTC

Wow we are almost at 400 comments! I think this is the most I have seen since my time here.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-07 22:15:29 +0000 UTC

Your explanation makes so much sense. It would answer the questions as to why she suffered no consequences for her actions. But, you bring up the million dollar question…why did she go silent on Josh? Why didn’t she try and reconcile? I’m betting (with no money, of course, because I know I’m going to lose lol) that the Devil’s bargain you referenced had to do with sexual “favours” for Stone Sr. It still doesn’t explain the radical change in the story. She loved Josh. In all her narrations, she went on and on about how much she needed Josh, and nothing mattered without him. She lied so much to keep him. I just don’t get it. The baby turned out to be Josh’s. You’d think she would have run to show him the paperwork and Colleen. As you can see, I’m still really disturbed/preoccupied about the turn in the story. Haha

Kat

2024-08-07 21:43:22 +0000 UTC

I posted above, but I think the thing with the money was it was money Devlin got through less than legal means, through the Cayman lawyers contacts, and he was going to use that money to help him finance the new business. So Kimmy's plan may have been to show the father all that if she got caught, and hoped they saw the bigger problem and ignored what she did to shine a light on it. That's maybe how all this ended up working out in her favor.

JL23

2024-08-07 20:36:22 +0000 UTC

The money she stole as I recall, was actually money that Devlin got with some underhanded dealings with the Cayman lawyer and other individuals, and he was going to use those funds to set up his own competing business. So what may have happened is she showed the father that before she quit (or Berg), and they fired Devlin once they confirmed Kimmy's story. Then at some point down the road, the father offered Devlin's job to Kimmy. Maybe the other clients were asking about her, and they realized she would be a good fit for the role. Maybe he just appreciated the cojones to try and pull that off. Maybe that's why they looked the other way on the money she stole. Causes way too many waves and embarrassments for the father to have to admit things like his son was making a move against him. Also, we're lead to believe the father hasn't exactly been above board on all things. And perhaps that was why Kimmy was still nervous for a few months, cause she wasn't sure if they were still coming after her for stealing the money. The thing that wouldn't make sense if that's the case: why didn't she immediately then try to reconcile with Josh once she was out of trouble? Or at least let him know she was OK? Why did she intead go "radio silent?" So maybe, that's where the "Devil's" bargain for her to stay out of trouble comes into play.

JL23

2024-08-07 20:19:48 +0000 UTC

Okay, that makes sense now.

Bill H.

2024-08-07 20:09:30 +0000 UTC

I think she was talking herself up to Hyun in this scene, making it seem like she’d be in less trouble than she really was.

Kat

2024-08-07 20:08:04 +0000 UTC

She wanted them to come after her, so she could show them how dumb and incompetent Devlin is. She wanted his job and she got it.

Kat

2024-08-07 20:07:16 +0000 UTC

Why would Kimmy want them to come after her?

Bill H.

2024-08-07 19:48:51 +0000 UTC

Could this have anything to do with what's happening now?

Bill H.

2024-08-07 19:48:03 +0000 UTC

I've been going back trying to find anything about Stone Sr. and/or the money Kimmy stole. I found this in Book 14-8, Odyssey 3: “I want them to come after me. I want them to try to say I stole the money.” Now Hyun was blank, her eyes devoid of thought, just staring at her. “I took the money, but I didn’t keep it. I didn’t hide it in my bank. I spent it. I spent it right from Stone. I bought things I deserve. I want them to ask me about it. I want them to try to say I stole it. I can’t wait for them to do it.” Hyun’s head shook from side to side in a mix of horror and disbelief. Then further down… “They’re not going to send me to jail, Hyun. They’re not going to do anything.”

Bill H.

2024-08-07 19:47:36 +0000 UTC

That is one constant in the book. Wealth, money and nice stuff have all been Kimmy’s focus, even in the beginning. She wanted a big house in the suburbs. Josh was never about that. He was happy to just be with Kimmy.

Kat

2024-08-07 19:34:09 +0000 UTC

383! I’m amazed. And I’m also dying to find out the awful details. Lol

Kat

2024-08-07 19:32:09 +0000 UTC

That's another good one too! had forgotten it.

RCH

2024-08-07 19:32:03 +0000 UTC

I still want to see if Janey was driving to meet up to do the nasty or spy on her Italian foreign exchange student Maceo at his college. She just got her birth control IUD so I assume she wants to fuck the young Italian stallion. I think Six Weeks is KT's most underrated and unappreciated works. I think it's a masterpiece!

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-07 19:29:50 +0000 UTC

It seems like Kimmy only cares about wealth and power more than Josh. That seems like the one constant throughout this series. And Keith Stone being a billionaire fits Kimmy's climb to the top her ultimate corruption. However I don't see Keith marrying Kimmy at all. And I can see Josh moving on with someone else and Kimmy regretting for the rest of her life.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-07 19:23:22 +0000 UTC

If Josh did that, would that be a "reverse cuckold"??

Bill H.

2024-08-07 19:19:35 +0000 UTC

JL, I hope Keith isn't Kimmy's knight in shining armor. That's a nightmare for the outcome I'm hoping for.

Bill H.

2024-08-07 19:14:30 +0000 UTC

I don’t think Josh knows anything about it. He mentioned something about her spending a lot of money on clothes and his suit, but I took that as him lamenting her ever taking the job from Devlin in the first place. My first reaction was that she was sleeping with Keith to stay out of jail, but it doesn’t seem that way. When she was leaving Josh in the last chapter of Book 14, she told him she was leaving the apartment, not leaving him. That line has stuck with me. None of this chapter makes sense with what came before. I just want to know what’s going to be, so I can go on with my own life. Haha 🤣

Kat

2024-08-07 18:56:49 +0000 UTC

376 comments! Now 377! I'm starting to come around on the idea that KT knew this chapter was gonna hit us hard, and is now laughing as we try to figure out what's next. Our loving (but also evil) partner.

JL23

2024-08-07 18:56:18 +0000 UTC

It just seemed to me that when she was telling Josh about Keith, she was holding something back. Maybe because she didn't want Josh to know she was sleeping with Keith to keep herself out of jail? If that's what's happening. Does Josh even know about Kimmy stealing money from Stone? I couldn't remember if she ever told him.

Bill H.

2024-08-07 18:48:32 +0000 UTC

I wanted a HEA, even if that meant something else for them. Kimmy sleeping with Devlin’s father, and Josh living in Kimmy’s backyard prison is not a HEA. It’s a nightmare. This is a dark book, though, but this book 15 really differs from all the previous ones. Nothing makes sense. I’ve become way too invested in it. Lol

Kat

2024-08-07 18:44:26 +0000 UTC

Sorry Kat! My replies are posting late. I don't know if it's Patreon or my computer.

Bill H.

2024-08-07 18:41:32 +0000 UTC

It's very sad, I agree! I know it's fiction but still...Josh and Kimmy should be together.

Bill H.

2024-08-07 18:39:39 +0000 UTC

The finger gun, OMG! Remember how we all went nuts for that? Lol

Kat

2024-08-07 18:35:35 +0000 UTC

I was thinking that, too, Bill, that Kimmy is dating Stone Sr. because she has to. It’s looking like that’s not the case. It’s so sad, or at least it is for me.

Kat

2024-08-07 18:34:49 +0000 UTC

I was hoping after everything Josh has gone through there would be something good waiting for him at the end. Sure, he’s got Colleen now, but that’s always going to be tinged with something else, especially if he ends up in Kimmy’s prison/garage apartment. I really believed that Kimmy loved him, too.

Kat

2024-08-07 18:33:06 +0000 UTC

Yep, probably has a bad case of ear fungus!

RCH

2024-08-07 18:27:29 +0000 UTC

I think our hope are dashed usually a nod means an acknowledgement. A side to side head movement is described differently I just can't think of it. Here's a def: lower and raise one's head slightly and briefly, especially in greeting, assent, or understanding, or to give someone a signal: "she nodded her head in agreement" · "he nodded to Monica to unlock the door"

RCH

2024-08-07 18:25:23 +0000 UTC

Poor Jonny with his headphones on for 3 years, afraid to turn around.

JL23

2024-08-07 18:13:26 +0000 UTC

Thanks I happy to make you laugh! It's just I love the corruptive element of all of it. Kimmy/Josh, Charlie/Jonny, etc. That young wife from a religious family loving each other so much and the frailties of humans brings in that corruptive element. I would like to see further frustration added by some side effect of Jonny being locked up all the time. I do joke about it as if it real time and he has been locked up for years as KT has been focused on the Waters series. I hope KT and everyone gets my humor and doesn't take it as a insult.

RCH

2024-08-07 18:04:47 +0000 UTC

“Only a few times” is probably the three times a week she was at it with Devlin.

Tracey52

2024-08-07 18:01:59 +0000 UTC

RCH, you got me! I laughed out loud at that last bit. :-)

Pete

2024-08-07 17:46:32 +0000 UTC

Oh, man, Andrew! I remember the finger gun! I hope Kimmy isn't falling for Stone Sr. I was wondering if Stone Sr. is in love with Kimmy but she's not in love with him? I get the feeling that she's dating Keith because she has to, not because she wants to. Maybe because of a deal she made to keep herself out of jail? I'm really reaching, I know! I just believe that Josh and Kimmy really love each other and deserve to be together.

Bill H.

2024-08-07 17:41:31 +0000 UTC

I've always wanted Josh & Kimmy together. Would like to see this story wrap though. Not that I don't want to find out about Keith Stone prowess in bed. It just needs to wrap. There are too many unfinished K.T. stories to spend another 6 month on the Waters I'm beginning to prune up here.(Note I love the story and its a good story and should be revisited later when the kids are older. Josh has suppressed his HW fetish for years and ask Kimmy to indulge again.) There is still time to save Jonny's caged penis! While it maybe to late to prevent shrinkage or a permanent kink at least save him from gangrene and amputation! :)

RCH

2024-08-07 17:40:11 +0000 UTC

Yeah, I think its unlikely she was nodding no. She was indicating she was sleeping with Keith. But until we know more, you can't close the door on anything, or whether that is reality or is the perception she wishes to give Josh at this time.

JL23

2024-08-07 17:39:30 +0000 UTC

Yeah, KT has done it before. I always remember in the hotel room when I thought Josh pulled out a gun and it turned out to be his finger. (Hah!) Remember she said she writes page turners. However, the only problem is that everything in this epilogue to this point is kind of leading to Kimmy fucking Keith and being in a relationship with him ( Even though it exceeds incredibility for me). Kimmy being radio silent with Josh even when she was pregnant, still working for Stone in a promoted position, getting a picture taken with Keith in a nice gown on his arm without her wedding ring and being banished to the carriage house. I hope your right but everything is pointing in the opposite direction.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-07 17:36:03 +0000 UTC

Yeah, Kat, me too! I think I'm a hopeless romantic but I really like HEA stories.

Bill H.

2024-08-07 17:34:17 +0000 UTC

I do, too, Bill. This book is tearing me up. Lol

Kat

2024-08-07 17:30:31 +0000 UTC

I sincerely hope so!

Kat

2024-08-07 17:30:07 +0000 UTC

I know! I guess I'm grasping at straws. I just want Kimmy and Josh to be together.

Bill H.

2024-08-07 17:05:04 +0000 UTC

I genuinely hope something like this is the case. The fact that she hasn't actually verbally confirmed any of Josh's accusations gives me hope that her ambiguity has left room for other possibilities. I have a feeling (wish) that Kimmy clarifies the situation with Keith at the beginning of the next chapter.

Zach

2024-08-07 17:01:55 +0000 UTC

Sure! Its possible. Who knows? We need to know soon lol.

JL23

2024-08-07 16:59:13 +0000 UTC

Bill's flashback quote also raises an interesting question: Kimmy HAS been without Josh now for....quite some time. HAS there been a limit to her wickedness? She may not be the same Kimmy we remember.

Pete

2024-08-07 16:55:53 +0000 UTC

I know this is probably a real long shot, but I wonder, could Kimmy have been nodding no? Meaning she's not fucking Stone Sr.?

Bill H.

2024-08-07 16:54:28 +0000 UTC

That was when she was still at her most deranged. Hyun now receives all the physical affection Josh knew before the Reunion. Even if Kimmy is sincere what does that leave Josh... more new fangled torture? Also I wonder if Kimmy ever came clean to Hyun about Josh encouraging her cheating. Though decent Hyun doesn't seem like any kind of fool. Anyway, I have enough information I think I'll try to muddle through to the end on my lonesome. I'm at the end of my tether. There are too many theories... I'm sure I see the blatant predicament myself, but not the resolution. Ciao. I need to stick some wax in my lugholes and fight against the gruelling tug of the patron Charybdis. It's like the event horizon of Blue Balls Monday all over again. The people who read the completed work will never realize the agony and the ecstasy of 'turning a page.' Or the gross understatement that there are a few plot twists in Pandaemonium.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-07 16:46:31 +0000 UTC

Those are all great flashback quotes, Bill. Whether you believe Kimmy is being genuine in most of that, I do think a lot of that is going to be applicable to the ending.

JL23

2024-08-07 15:42:04 +0000 UTC

It doesn't always update for me when I log in. I have to try and refresh several times to confirm there's something new. But it's been like that for a while.

JL23

2024-08-07 15:39:24 +0000 UTC

That’s great Bill.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-07 15:24:59 +0000 UTC

Mine was glitchy yesterday. I also hope we get a new chapter today. I can’t get this book out of my head! Lol

Kat

2024-08-07 15:24:34 +0000 UTC

I hope we get a new chapter today! Also is anyone’s Paetron glitchy?

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-07 14:40:10 +0000 UTC

Good thing he didn't eat the dumplings!

Chris K

2024-08-07 14:34:51 +0000 UTC

I like this.

Chris K

2024-08-07 14:33:52 +0000 UTC

It could just be that we talk about needing to see "consequences" for Kimmy. Maybe the "consequence" is her actions have broken Josh, and left her estranged from him as a result. And now she's finding success again, getting a rich new boyfriend, seemingly having it all (certainly in Josh's eyes). Except she doesn't have the one thing she wants most of all, and everything else feels empty to her unless she has that. I'm not saying that will satisfy you, me or a lot of other people here. But I can see that being the lesson here. Plenty of people seemingly have it all only to feel empty on the inside. Maybe that's Kimmy. She can't stop herself from wanting the power, and the lust for the powerful man, but when she comes home at night, and Josh isn't there to share everything with (including the "bad" stuff), she just feels dead inside. I think we need to see Kimmy to feel profound loss inside, even if in moments she's enjoying the job and the money and the sex. I guess it could be satisfying to me if we do see a bit of Josh rebuilding, moving on, not obsessing and pining all the time for Kimmy. And for Kimmy to see that too, and to have it rock her a bit. And to put in the work to see if Josh can still fit into that lifestyle, that he can handle it, that its what he truly wants and not something he feels manipulated into just to stay with her. If it's just her getting Josh to come back to her and accept the cuckold life because hes desperate not to lose her, that would be hard for me to accept. I want to see Josh have a viable different path, and consciously choose not to take it himself. Do we have enough time for that. I think we can do that in just a book, but probably need more than another 8-10 chapters. The chapter numbers are always subject to change, so I hope if this is the way it's going and more chapters are needed to make it feel "earned" then we'll get those.

JL23

2024-08-07 13:50:42 +0000 UTC

At the end, you're right about it being a cuckold story. And I think Josh could maybe get there, but it would require SO much time and effort that we'd need multiple more books for it not to come across as "I wave my magic wand, and blam, Josh is now okay with it." Because he's fought so hard against it for so long, there has to be a huge unwinding of that. And all the mistrust, hate and anger. How does he do that with the whole Kimmy is having semi regular sex with that "fucking asshole". Colleen can't fix that. Josh would just bury it until he exploded again, and then it would spill out onto her too. That's why I struggle with this turning into a standard cuckold ending. Nothing about this series has ever been standard or quick or easy. Yet in a few short chapters were just going to have Josh be okay with it? I've said it before, Josh's struggle, the pain he's endured, doesn't deserve such a cookie cutter by the numbers ending. Flipping to a new chapter, saying 6 months have gone by and Josh has changed his mind and, surprise!, he's okay with cuckolding now... That just feels disingenuous. That sort of momentous change deserves reams of explanation. I feel like there has to be something else here. Hopefully we find out today.

L_S87

2024-08-07 13:05:01 +0000 UTC

“It’s too late for me to be faithful. Can you love me the way you did before?” Josh said, “That’s up to you.” And for that, she had no comeback. There were no more vengeful claims to be made, no more promises, no more enticing whispers of lust and lechery. Pandæmonium It's up to her? You can't say fairer than that?

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-07 12:46:48 +0000 UTC

“If you’d look in my eyes, I could tell you everything you’d ever want to hear. I would tell you that not only do I love you, I will love you forever. I will make you the happiest man. I will make you a father. I will buy us a house. I will make our dreams real. I will crush your enemies. I will destroy anyone you ask me to. I know in my heart that I am everything you ever wanted.” Pandæmonium Is that what's going on? Does Kimmy just need Josh to point out who needs destroying? Phew!

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-07 12:41:58 +0000 UTC

"Without Josh, would there be a limit to her wickedness? And without Josh, would there be wickedness’s thrill at all?" Pandæmonium

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-07 12:36:37 +0000 UTC

"Kimmy mewled and wriggled, looking for comfort. But accepting his own wife’s love had become an albatross, an anchor that weighed him down to the depths with the enormity of self-realization: You’re a simpleton, a rube. A victim. A perpetual victim. The nice guy that let people get their jollies off him as long as they paid him a cheap nicety." Perspicacity is not weakness. Nor is hyperbole. Except, at times, when used to insult others.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-07 12:03:07 +0000 UTC

What if, HTO, what she considers professional success he sees as vainglory and exploitation? What if she is adopting the worst traits of a widely accepted mirage of success to prove her worth? The rest of what you say I agree with, but to bring up the old refrain... Beware when you struggle with monsters lest you become a monster. Not everything Nietzsche said lacked insight. Women don't need to take on the myriad failings of men to prove their worth! As history has also proven. Maybe wealth isn't everything it's cracked up to be. Maybe Proudhon is right! Maybe wealth, power and privilege are pernicious... and in the wider world of the greater number very bad. The real greater number not the the one a 'wiser' few decide is the greater good for.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-07 11:40:06 +0000 UTC

Tell me about it L_S87. I just keep circling back to the more likely idea being that Kimmy is genuinely starting something with Keith. She may not be ready to move on to a serious relationship, but as others have noted she likes the trappings and wealth, power and sex. And she’s going to tell something like that to Josh (she’s basically told him that before), and that in order not to hurt him, they can’t be together right now. Where I guess they’d circle back, and maybe have balance, is the idea she’s expressed before that Josh heightens her enjoyment of the sex. As time goes by, she finds she’s really only enjoying the sex if she’s thinking of Josh watching, or thinking, about her. Plus, having him living there reminds her of everything she’s missing not having him in her life. I’m not sure it’s what I want, or if I could ultimately buy it, but this could be the story. It provides some balance in the relationship, in that we see Kimmy does need Josh to be fulfilled living this life, that even with all the wealth, power and sex, she’d end up feeling like there’s a hole she can only fill with him. Being in the house, Josh starts to feel those urges too, maybe Colleen gives him balance to not let it consume them. Co-parenting her gives Kimmy a part of her Josh back, and she realizes over time she wants and needs all of him. They figure out the other is thinking the same thing, and so on… I don’t know how you get there in a short period of time, and I think it requires sweeping almost all of Book 14 under the rug. It almost just becomes set-up so that Kimmy felt she had to leave Josh and ultimately rebuild herself, while Josh regresses to a point he needs to move in and still be connected with her. More a plot device to move the chess pieces into the position needed for the ending. Personally, that feels a bit of a cheat to me. Not sure I’d love if there turned out to be few to no consequences to everything Kimmy did. That in the end, she gets everything without consequences. But just one reader here, I’ll see how it’s written, if that’s where we’re going. I’m just thinking what a lot of others are saying. This is a cuckold story, feels like it’s more likely the ending is going to revolve around that rather than drama and intrigue of Kimmy in trouble and maybe Josh saving her. Feels more like Josh will “prove” his worth to Kimmy in another way.

JL23

2024-08-07 11:16:22 +0000 UTC

You're right, Chris. So one could say that this is Kimmy's way of making it 100% Josh's choice. Here I am, I'm sleeping with him, you want to still be with me, I'm not lying about it anymore. But she's not really doing that. If this is her goal, she's being just as manipulative, but in an even worse way. She's telling him the truth instead of lying like before, but she'd be hiding even worse lies and manipulation behind that facade of truth. Because all the tears and meekness would be a lie. It would make her a truly evil and awful person. Someone I hope she isn't. Not to mention that if Josh accepted such a scenario it would be him going against multiple books of established canon and character development that he won't willingly accept such a scenario from her. At least not with all this distrust, anger and hate boiling inside due to her trading up to an even better Stone. (Kinda feel like that billionaire comment points to Josh implying that) I don't know what KT has in store for us. I just hope it makes sense. Right now I don't get this puzzle at all.

L_S87

2024-08-07 11:13:49 +0000 UTC

It's Catch 22, if Josh is a good submissive doormat he will in the long term only get more despised and used. If the game is fixed break it! But first find out what, and whose game, it is... Then smash it to smithereens... it requires no testosterone only determination. This is getting tedious, this playing the protagonists against each other.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-07 11:11:11 +0000 UTC

I struggle with it as well because I have a hard time equating the Kimmy who watched Josh close to death in a hospital bed, who left because it was better for Josh, to be so thoroughly horrific as to fabricate tears and meekness as an act to lure Josh back into a scenario he fought so hard against. That would basically make her evil incarnate. Not to mention how much wholesale character invalidation would have to occur for Josh to accept such a scenario and "be happy" with it. I gotta believe KT knows better than that because she's too good of an author to fall into such a trap. Which leaves all of what Kimmy is showing as genuine and valid. And I just don't know what that means. So many mixed signals from her in these last few chapters. If she's done, why the ring and touching? If she's okay with this is scenario with Stone and no Josh, why all the meekness, sadness and guilt? Why build this little torture factory of an apartment for Josh? You guys are right. Something is clearly missing. Hopefully KT shows us soon or I'm about to blow a gasket over here!

L_S87

2024-08-07 11:03:19 +0000 UTC

What can a feeble, bland, insipid man possibly provide for Kimmy and Hyun... respectability. What protection can piggy provide against the big bad wolf? They already have a sturdy home! Did Kimmy take out life insurance on Josh?

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-07 10:52:26 +0000 UTC

Thing is she never tried to bring him along in the right way. She lied, cheated, manipulated, humiliated, and self indulged. Along the way she lost respect for the one she seemed to want with her, but never included him fully. Kimmy may want all, but gives so little in return.

Chris K

2024-08-07 10:09:00 +0000 UTC

I thought about this saga on a red eye last night and have a new interpretation. I have long thought this was a story about a young wonan’s coming to an understanding of her independence and sexual power. She has tried to bring her loving husband along but that has proven difficult and complicated. Years ago, KT promised us a story about a wife’s world being rocked by her husband’s childhood bully. Kimmy was rocked first at Tiffany’s and the York Hotel. For his own selfish reasons, Devlin gave Kimmy a job that introduced her to sophisticated things, fine whiskey and expensive shoes. These became instruments of her new found power and identity. She was freed from baskets and a boring immigration job and provided with a window into a world of wealth and power. She began to “move on” from Josh long before she left him. It began when she first had sex with him. She tried to bring Josh along with her by trying to have him accept her new power and sexuality and she may have succeeded but Devlin impatiently cut her plans short by planting the panties, sending Josh into a hole he has yet to climb out of. Perhaps Kimmy is trying to get Josh to accept her still. She may be trying to develop a chosen family with Colleen, Hyun, and Josh, allowing her agency to find professional success, great sex, and wealth with a loving family behind her. We’ll have to see if Josh can accept this. Literary history (and history) has plenty of fallen women who pay severely for the kind of life Kimmy wants. I hope KT turns this around. Should Kimmy pay the price because Josh can’t deal? But, I pray Josh is not the one who jumps in front of the train.

HTO

2024-08-07 07:25:01 +0000 UTC

Yeah Donkatsu, she's Kimmy and we're Josh. She loves us, loves to torture us that is. Wondering if she also knocked my power out to torture me further. Better run before I use all the juice on my phone.

JL23

2024-08-07 02:06:21 +0000 UTC

JL, love your thought experiments. FWIW, I think KT is taking in all of this and laughing her ass off at all the wild speculations not to mention how badly we have missed the boat on her next steps. Think of this as her own private version of Penthouse Letters, where she gets to read about our experiences/thoughts without having to express anything in particular on her side. She is showing us her inner homicide detective - leave us alone for a while without any external contact or information and wait for the unbidden snippets of inculpation to follow. On my side of things, I tend to agree with Andrew, Kimmy is Kimmy. She wants certain things and will try to manipulate her environment to get them. Character is destiny, and we should already be pretty familiar with Kimmy's.

Donkatsu

2024-08-07 01:15:06 +0000 UTC

Kimmy wants Josh to just be another drone for her pleasure (minus the intimacy). Just like how Hyun apparently is by her raising Colleen while Kimmy is jetting to different countries with Keith. Kimmy is a classic user.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-07 00:31:48 +0000 UTC

Yeah, it just seems odd that she spent all this money specifically for this solution. We’re missing something. I’m just having a hard time reconciling a Kimmy who seems sad, and guilty, but not seemingly frightened, as a Kimmy that’s still in deep trouble, or has something related to that hanging over her head. It feels like she’d be more likely to keep pushing him away instead of having to draw him in closer. The only time she is truly frightened is when it seems like Josh is going to turn the apartment down. Maybe that means she needs him there for something, or maybe it’s she just wants him there, not just for Colleen, but for her too, even if she’s involved with her boss. We know Kimmy is someone who doesn’t have a lot close confidants, people she considers friends. Really just Josh and Karina. And both of them are out of her lives. I’m guessing Keith can’t provide that any more than Devlin could, unless he’s just this perfect guy against all odds. In a lot of the previous chapters, the thing that broke her out of her desires for lust, control and power were just thinking of Josh. Laughing with him, watching some dumb show together. We saw it in the previous chapter, she loved that typical “Josh” response to Devlin being in Vancouver. She doesn’t have any of that now. Her relationship with Hyun is different, she can provide comfort, but she’s quiet, reserved. I don’t sense they have much in common, really. Colleen is just a baby. So she has all the money, but maybe it’s turning out to be a lonely existence for her without Josh in her life. And Josh was her tether to that normal existence she had, that I think she still craves. Sounds like I’m “friend-zoning” him, and maybe I am. And probably unfair to how Kimmy feels about him. But it could be as simple as right now she doesn’t know what she wants romantically, but she knows she needs Josh in her life, somehow. Hopefully we’ll know more shortly. I kind of get the feeling the next chapter may be a while though, given the lack of engagement from KT since this chapter dropped Sunday. Hopefully that’s nothing more than just taking time to craft the next chapter so that it answers a lot of these questions in a way where it feels right.

JL23

2024-08-06 23:44:15 +0000 UTC

More important than that is why even consider it without talking divorce? I know they love each other, but they do not have a marriage. This is their first conversation in a year. She's offers him a place, but not in the house. It was never going to be in the house. So why stay married??

Chris K

2024-08-06 23:40:16 +0000 UTC

It’s really expensive to live here in Southern Ontario. However, if Kimmy were to give him half of the money she used for the house, he would be able to at least rent something nearby. There’s something else going on here. She wants him there, but I don’t understand why. I wish we’d get another chapter with Kimmy’s POV. No matter how painful her truth might be to read, I need to know what’s going on. I’m scared to find out. I had an idea about something, but it’s probably wrong, and dumb, but maybe she needs him to move in so that she can get away from Stone Sr. Like if she’s back together with her husband she wouldn’t have to be with him or something like that? I don’t know. There has to be a reason. Why would she even want him there if she’s sleeping with her boss? I can’t understand why she needs Josh to live there when she’s seeing his bully’s dad. I mean, it’s intolerable, right? It’s insanity. Argh 😣

Kat

2024-08-06 23:36:23 +0000 UTC

There's an easy solution to Josh's financial situation, than spending probably tens of thousands of dollars renovating your garage so he's tied to living on your property: just pay back Josh half the money you took for the down payment. Guess we don't know how much she put down, but typically I think it average 10%. So that's $200,000. Even if it was less, say $100,000, that's a good chunk to start over for him. Interesting that she doesn't offer him that, but instead spent all that money to attempt to tie him to the house. Hints of course at those now infamous "ulterior motives" Kimmy has for this solution. I know it's been set up that Josh doesn't want to create an issue asking for the money, or put Kimmy in a spot she needs to pay him back cause she bought a house for their daughter, but...clearly she can afford it. I don't know Ontario geography or neighborhoods, but there has to be a nice place he could get within a reasonable distance to the house with that money, close enough for him to easily come over whenever he wanted to see Colleen. So to me, that answers the thought that Kimmy is so desperate for him to agree so he can see Colleen every day. So, why exactly does she need this so badly?

JL23

2024-08-06 23:11:25 +0000 UTC

Kimmy got a get out of jail free card. And has cosigned Josh to a jail cell above the garage. Ha! Josh always gets shafted in this story.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-06 21:47:25 +0000 UTC

I'm there with you, JL. It's why I keep on harping about Josh earning an HEA. I kinda feel like we the readers, and Josh, need a reprieve from the awful darkness. And the epilogue, so far, just keeps getting darker and darker. Josh took every bit of awfulness Devlin and Kimmy threw at him. Life owes him a solid. Not Kimmy saying I'm sleeping with yet another Stone, but surprise!, I've got a pretty little emotional jail cell I built for you above the garage. Enjoy!

L_S87

2024-08-06 21:29:38 +0000 UTC

Kimmy is great at hiding things. Thus far, she doesn't strike me as that level of nervous, but we haven't seen her POV yet. Maybe Hyun knows more than she's saying, and that's explains some of her reaction to Josh. Or maybe Kimmy thought she was free and clear, spent all that money trying to provide nice things to those she cares about, but now something has circled back on her and cause trouble. So now she's stuck. That might also partly explain why she so desperately seems to need Josh to accept it.

JL23

2024-08-06 19:03:59 +0000 UTC

I really think the most sensible explanation story wise is that Kimmy is effectively blackmailed by Stone senior. Plus having bought the house she is tied to the mortgage payments as well and cant easily free herself from her current situation.

CSH

2024-08-06 18:38:19 +0000 UTC

It seems logical. Josh has some untapped trauma.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-06 15:52:57 +0000 UTC

Yeah I needed some fun thoughts, not darkness. I like the dark, I wouldn't be reading these stories if I did. But I like some light too. Scenario I had in my head was just basically that Kimmy came home and wanted to spend time with Josh, but he has Gabrielle over, and it's driving her crazy as to what they might be doing. Some comedy ensues from there as she tries to figure out an excuse to go up there and see what's happening.

JL23

2024-08-06 15:44:08 +0000 UTC

Keith... I think everyone is too busy with the wood to notice the primeval forest.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-06 15:26:00 +0000 UTC

I have a nightmare... Night! Night!

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-06 15:24:23 +0000 UTC

I know. 😐 Your “alternate” reality was brightening things for me. The way things are going, nothing seems too bright for Josh.

Kat

2024-08-06 15:12:18 +0000 UTC

Maybe at the end of this story Kat, if KT was OK with it. It's too presumptuous of me to post an "alternate" reality when we don't know the actual reality.

JL23

2024-08-06 15:08:31 +0000 UTC

Hey JL, post your story/thoughts. I’m enjoying your “alternate” reality for Kimmy watching Josh have a friend over to his carriage house prison. I just can’t believe she’s moving on with Devlin’s father. It all feels wrong, like a different story.

Kat

2024-08-06 15:01:02 +0000 UTC

Hey, anything is possible. And Josh's relationship with his parents is positioned weird to me at least. But I think KT has driven us to the point where we're probably concocting all sorts of scenarios that are fun, but way off. I'm as guilty as anyone.

JL23

2024-08-06 14:53:21 +0000 UTC

I was actually trying to point out the lack of intentionality involved in evolution. I think Josh's collusion with Kimmy in his new found love of humiliation can just as easily be seen as a short term desperation to maintain his relationship with her. As the situation becomes more untenable and, when he is duped into seeing their word pictures given unforgiving flesh his mind and body revolt. People can change their minds or recognise their mistakes. I have no vested interest, it's just the way I perceive Josh's character. If KT proves me wrong I will apologize for my misinterpretation. Whether whole heartedly, or with reservations we shall see. I hope I am right... "Hope springs eternal... or " Like Hope upon a deathbed, and, unworn its steady dyes, while all around is torn by the distracted Waters." Byron borrowed by Bill. He might not want it back my hands having profaned it. And being dead as a doornail he might find it indelicate to ask. Glad you're back.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-06 14:44:34 +0000 UTC

Went back to that chapter with Gabrielle and Samara...which was a long time ago in chapters (we really spent a LONG time with Kimmy, Devlin and Amy in the bedroom). Anyway, I wasn't totally correct. Samara is the one sitting on his desk. But...Gabrielle is the one flirting with him, telling him a lot of women are talking about him and that he should know he's a catch. There's actually a lot more flirty behavior from her than I remembered. So I can dream it's in there for more of a reason than to just make Josh feel good in that moment.

JL23

2024-08-06 14:33:00 +0000 UTC

I have a wild theory rolling around in my head. What if Josh is estranged from his mother due to Keith? Maybe this is something he's kept hidden out of shame. His mom had to deal with Keith on account of the bullying, maybe he got her into bed? Maybe Keith has been the devil in the Waters family long before Kimmy became one.

Chris K

2024-08-06 14:27:48 +0000 UTC

As much as I don't really want to see Kimmy in a lot of trouble, from a narrative standpoint it's more satisfying than the idea that Keith Stone played knight in shining armor, offered her a great job and now she's dating him. And she didn't think of Josh besides building him a consolation prize above her garage and expecting him to be happy with that. Oh, and she took money from him without even asking.

JL23

2024-08-06 14:20:27 +0000 UTC

Very significant point, Chris!

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-06 14:14:04 +0000 UTC

Yeah a good thought Tracey. Maybe not Josh, but maybe they're teaming up to confront someone. Only way I guess it could be Josh is if he somehow put Sophie in harms way? Or the stuff with Hyun and Kimmy gets out and Meyer is angry at Josh? Not sure why he would be. I guess it could also point to a scenario where Josh is really hitting rock bottom and is just an a-hole to everyone, and Meyer punches him cause he can't take it anymore. I'd hope it's not that, and at this point it'd be really dark if Josh fell even farther and got really hooked on pills and booze...something like that. I hope we're not going there.

JL23

2024-08-06 13:50:28 +0000 UTC

The only reason I can think of why Meyer needs to have a broken arm is so he can’t punch someone. If so who? I’m thinking Josh, but why? Hyun or Sophie.

Tracey52

2024-08-06 12:39:25 +0000 UTC

Doctor Faustus. "FAUSTUS: Ah, Faustus, Now hast thou but one bare hour to live, And then thou must be damn’d perpetually! Stand still, you ever-moving spheres of heaven, That time may cease, and midnight never come; Fair Nature’s eye, rise, rise again, and make Perpetual day; or let this hour be but A year, a month, a week, a natural day, That Faustus may repent and save his soul! O lente, lente currite, noctis equi! The stars move still, time runs, the clock will strike, The devil will come, and Faustus must be damn’d. O, I’ll leap up to my God! – Who pulls me down? – See, see, where Christ’s blood streams in the firmament! One drop would save my soul, half a drop: ah, my Christ! – Ah, rend not my heart for naming of my Christ! Yet will I call on him: O, spare me, Lucifer! – Where is it now? ’tis gone: and see, where God Stretcheth out his arm, and bends his ireful brows! Mountains and hills, come, come, and fall on me, And hide me from the heavy wrath of God! No, no! Then will I headlong run into the earth: Earth, gape! O, no, it will not harbour me! You stars that reign’d at my nativity, Whose influence hath allotted death and hell, Now draw up Faustus, like a foggy mist. Into the entrails of yon labouring cloud[s], That, when you vomit forth into the air, My limbs may issue from your smoky mouths, So that my soul may but ascend to heaven! [The clock strikes the half-hour.] Ah, half the hour is past! ’twill all be past anon O God, If thou wilt not have mercy on my soul, Yet for Christ’s sake, whose blood hath ransom’d me, Impose some end to my incessant pain; Let Faustus live in hell a thousand years, A hundred thousand, and at last be sav’d! O, no end is limited to damned souls! Why wert thou not a creature wanting soul? Or why is this immortal that thou hast? Ah, Pythagoras’ metempsychosis, were that true, This soul should fly from me, and I be chang’d Unto some brutish beast! all beasts are happy, For, when they die, Their souls are soon dissolv’d in elements; But mine must live still to be plagu’d in hell. Curs’d be the parents that engender’d me! No, Faustus, curse thyself, curse Lucifer That hath depriv’d thee of the joys of heaven. [The clock strikes twelve.] O, it strikes, it strikes! Now, body, turn to air, Or Lucifer will bear thee quick to hell! [Thunder and lightning.] O soul, be chang’d into little water-drops, And fall into the ocean, ne’er be found! [Enter DEVILS.] My God, my god, look not so fierce on me! Adders and serpents, let me breathe a while! Ugly hell, gape not! come not, Lucifer! I’ll burn my books! – Ah, Mephistopheles! (Exeunt DEVILS with FAUSTUS)" Christopher Marlowe. "Sweet Helen, make me immortal with a kiss"

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-06 11:39:10 +0000 UTC

Yeah, that could be that darker element of coercion, I guess I’d just picture that a bit like Charlie with Reza, maybe she doesn’t want to have sex, or didn’t at the start, but has grown to like it in the moment. That would probably only pile on her shame and feeling she’s bad for Josh to want to push him away. Just not sure how you reconcile that with bringing her and Josh back. I still think Devlin has to play some kind of role in this, it can’t just be he’s dealt with off-screen never to be seen again. He obviously would have motivation to drag Josh back in, even if Kimmy was trying to prevent it. I don’t see how Keith would have any motivation himself to do that, though obviously we know nothing about him yet.

JL23

2024-08-06 11:30:21 +0000 UTC

Or it might be, JL, that having no ready money seriously limits options. Debt is a constant burden. A down payment is only the beginning as the real life villains who rule the world know only too well... Is Kimmy running Stone Toronto, or is she successfully shackled to her bench in the sweatshop her theft bought her? Waiting for her turn twice a day to use the bucket toilet and hoping there's some scrap of newspaper left... The world is a wonderful place! But if you don't pay the vig...

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-06 11:26:46 +0000 UTC

Yeah, I may have even sketched out a couple pages on how that scene with Gabrielle might play out last night lol. It could certainly be Karina, I just think Karina might have too much “baggage,” in the sense she’s known Josh and Kimmy since school, is friends (or was) with Kimmy, and knows how much Josh loves her, and at least enough of the story to know she really hurt him. I just think that would harder and more drama filled, and I’d rather watch Josh have a bit of fun amongst the misery. I went with Gabrielle, rather than say Samara, cause we’ve been given some hints she could play a role. There’s been more interaction with Josh; she’s the one who jumps on his desk and flirts with him a bit (at least I think?). And she’s also in Rome with him, so would have least seen enough to know he was in a really bad place. When he goes back to work, I could see them building a bit of a friendship maybe. I also picture Gabrielle as maybe someone who’d threaten Kimmy more than Karina even. We don’t know, but I picture her as slightly younger (maybe mid 20’s), beautiful, carefree, someone Kimmy might see Josh having fun with. Even if it was just friendship to start, I think that would really grind her gears. Anyway, probably not happening, but at the very least I can play it out in my own mind as an alternate scenario. I’d just like to see Josh have some fun, show that side of him. We really only see him like that with Meyer, everything with Kimmy has been heavy with melodrama and tension. But we’ve seen Josh has a fun, playful side, so watching another woman bring that out in him would drive Kimmy nuts, I think.

JL23

2024-08-06 11:25:28 +0000 UTC

This is SO funny. Well, not the scenario, at least not from Kimmy's POV, but I had nearly this exact same thought last night, sans Gabrielle, on how this might play out. Right now, Kimmy is offering him what feels like a shit sandwich of a deal. And it pretty much is, from Josh's POV. But. If she has decided to move on, maybe has decided she's not good for him, then this is all she can really offer. Yes, in typical Kimmy fashion, it's also selfish because it helps Colleen and gives her the ability to mend, somewhat, their relationship, but if rekindling the marriage is off the table, then giving him a rent free place to stay that lets him see his daughter every day is about the best she can do. Yes, it will be painful for Josh, and it is manipulative because it offers her a chance to wheedle her way back into his good graces and build a friendship that we know she values, but it also gives him semi autonomy to come and go, and it is his own space that he can do with what he wishes. So to JLs point, that also means, if Kimmy is moving on and trying to come up with a peace offering to help him move on too, that at some point she's opening herself up to Josh inviting a girl back. And she'll have to see that and acknowledge that she made that happen. It's sort of a Maggie like scenario where there is a massive amount of emotional and relationship debt incurred. They know it and know they owe that person big time. In ways they will never really be able to repay. Yes, Maggie made it a shit show with how she tried to accomplish it because she's still ultimately selfish, and if Kimmy is trying to do similar, it's also very selfish, but at least in this instance, her hands are a bit tied by her past horrendous decisions. Maggie had no such stipulations, she just didn't want to be the bad guy, so she set up a scenario that showed just how selfish she was. Kimmy wearing the ring and tying Josh to her financially by having him live onsite with her is a similar level of selfish, but again, her choices are much more limited. Assuming this is the path she's choosing. I think it would be rather fitting to have Kimmy wake up, look out the window with a cup of coffee, remember that Josh cancelled his visitation appointment with Colleen last night and then see another car in the drive way and know exactly what they means. And then watch Josh open the door to the carriage house, and see Gabrielle walk out while Josh holds the door for her, while Gabrielle has a "Yes, I just got fucked and I loved every minute of it" smile on her face. While I've said multiple times, I feel like Josh has earned that sort of happy ending after being put through the ringer, I don't know how this plays out. It feels a lot more logical than any Kimmy and Josh and Stone cuckold scenario, but it's not my story. Hopefully we get a chapter today to point us in the right direction.

L_S87

2024-08-06 11:06:06 +0000 UTC

I think Kimmy is in a much worse situation than you imagine, JL. Remember Josh thought she was afraid. The only image we have of "Keith" is of a grim, inflexible, threatening man who speaks through his lawyer and we now know fucks his employees. I would say like father like son, but absolute power corrupts absolutely. Tyrants don't have a good reputation historically. The 'enlightened' despot Peter the Great had a killer rep with the whip! Maybe avoiding looking at the man who knows her so well is to avoid his seeing an expression on her face he hasn't seen there before. It could be I'm being taken for a ride and, KT, is just 'having fun' with her more credulous fans. Even so the dramatic changes in Kimmy's character stick in my craw! There's more than one way to skin a cat. We are always making the same comparisons. What about "Pool Party," "Rachel's Truth," "The Cayman Proxy"? KT tiptoes into neighbourhoods here regular angels fear to tread. Meyer's broken arm...

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-06 10:45:38 +0000 UTC

Wow, this is a great story, JL. I dream, too…

Kat

2024-08-06 03:39:59 +0000 UTC

I hope it goes like that. Bill said earlier that Kimmy was (in her own way) asking for help. However, maybe hearing she has been with Keith for whatever reason may be the final nail in the coffin. Josh may be ready to move on, and Kimmy was just too late. Although, I still hope he says no to the apartment. He doesn't need it to see Colleen.

Chris K

2024-08-06 03:38:38 +0000 UTC

One more thought before I turn in. We’ve exhausted a lot of angles, but one. We’ve focused on how hard it would be for Josh to have a front row seat to Kimmy moving on…but how about Kimmy having the same view of Josh. Look, I expect a lot of it would be Josh pining, and maybe torturing himself over what Kimmy’s doing. But I don’t believe it could be all that. Even if he’s not moving on with a woman yet, he may start moving on from Kimmy in other ways, and that will have an impact on her. One thing we know is Josh kind of has their friend group on lock. People like Meyer and Karina. And how it hurt her she wasn’t invited to that party. Yeah, maybe she loves the swanky galas, and playing a master of the universe with a Stone, but she also liked the life she had with Josh, quiet nights at home watching TV or hanging out with people like Karina. She doesn’t really have that now. Devlin couldn’t give that to her, and I be willing to wager Keith is not the guy who she can talk to about her day and blow off steam. Hyun doesn’t really have that personality either. So having Josh in the house will impact her. She’ll like trying to rebuild part of their relationship. But what happens when Josh maybe has other plans? What if she comes home one night, say it’s a Thursday, and she doesn’t have plans with Keith. Maybe Sophie is with Meyer that weekend and Hyun has class. So she gets home thinking she’ll ask Josh if he just wants to hang out and watch TV. But when she gets home, he’s in the kitchen feeding Colleen and he tells her he can’t, he has a “friend” coming over to hang out. And that friend is not Meyer. We default to Karina being the woman, but I wonder if there’s a better candidate: Gabrielle. She’s the one who sat on his desk and told him a lot of women were interested to know if Josh was available. She was also in Rome with him at his low point, so while she may not know the gory details, perhaps she knows enough to become a friend and sounding bound for him when he goes back to work. Maybe to “help” him rile up Kimmy, Gabrielle invites herself over to the apartment, just to watch a movie or something, and Josh tells Kimmy this. Then imagine her being home the next night, in an empty house but for the baby, and looking out the window to the lights on in Josh’s apartment, knowing he has someone over. And realizing Gabrielle might be playing the long game, being just a friend to Josh now, but waiting for a moment when he may want more. It’s a little thing, but if Josh is stuck in his “gilded cage,” I hope we get little moments like that. Even if he isn’t moving on, letting Kimmy have a front row seat to the appearance he MIGHT be will drive her just a little bit nuts. I can dream at least…

JL23

2024-08-06 02:20:35 +0000 UTC

Pretty much. I doubt there together at the end of the series. Unless he likes pain and suffering.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-06 01:00:20 +0000 UTC

I don't know about all that, but wouldn't it just blow Josh's gasket if all the Hyun stuff came out soon after he finds out she fucking yet another man!

Chris K

2024-08-06 00:18:30 +0000 UTC

I am starting to think Kimmy and Keith was a one time fling. And the reason Kimmy is banishing Josh to the carriage house is that she has got something going on with Hyun. I am officially predicting that. And it could be wrong. But KT is good at making you think something is going to go one way and then flipping it. Remember she writes “page turners”. So this the perfect way to turn the next page.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-06 00:03:30 +0000 UTC

"Kimmy turned now, expression harrowed. “Josh, you have to. Please...” Yes, this is the key line of the chapter. Dang! Gosh, Golly! It almost sounds like the unflappable, invincible nouveaux riche Kimberly Waters né Chang is begging her quaintly penniless vulnerable formerly reliable and lovable and beloved consort for renewed espousal. Lawks a mercy! Shit a brick! She's probably thinking, if only you had had a bigger dick YOU'D never have got us into this awful predicament. You owe me! But give her credit such smugness doesn't have the stench of her wretchedness upon it. What she thinks and is giving way to is more like lamentation and repentance! Weeping and wailing and the gnashing of teeth! But the moment passes... What a terrible juncture it would have been to receive the call of her master's voice!

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-05 23:51:22 +0000 UTC

Maybe medical expenses... JL.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-05 23:23:33 +0000 UTC

Yeah, I guess I was a little miffed that Meyer would describe it that way to Kimmy. Like a bit of a joke and an afterthought. He knows how Josh is feeling, and should know he wouldn’t like Meyer talking about it like that. Also, given he talks about using the rest of his savings to pay for that trip, I’m guessing the $14,000 refers to how it cost Josh to book it? I have no idea if something like that would cost that amount.

JL23

2024-08-05 22:44:13 +0000 UTC

Did he hug Sophie when he came in? I'd assume she has black hair.

Chris K

2024-08-05 21:18:09 +0000 UTC

I just keep going back forth and where it makes sense and where it doesn’t. I do feel like Kimmy is portraying to Josh that she’s involved with Keith genuinely at this moment, that it’s not just him reading into it. Perhaps that’s genuine and perhaps it’s not, but again I’d have a hard time buying a darker aspect of sexual coercion being part of it, if it’s Kimmy trying to keep Josh at arms length so he doesn’t know her true status. But, even if the stuff with Keith is on the up and up, I also have a hard time believing Devlin’s resolution to being the main antagonist through 14 books is that he gets a “yadda yadda…he’s in Vancouver” or “Poochie’d” off screen, and we don’t see any of it. A Seinfeld/Simpsons double reference for you. Anyway, I’d be really disappointed if that’s his ending to the story.

JL23

2024-08-05 21:01:45 +0000 UTC

We won't know until the robot starts spitting out whole sentences.

Chris K

2024-08-05 20:56:44 +0000 UTC

Josh is referring to their savings, they were putting money away for a down payment on the house, which Kimmy took and used for the house. It does give Josh an equity stake in the house (he has one anyway cause they were married when she bought it), so I think he’s just indicating they’ll figure out how to account for that when they figure out how they’re moving forward personally. But it is strange behavior to not have told him at all you were doing it. It might just be as simple as she wanted Josh to know he was a part of buying the house, that it was his. Still feels weird to just take it without saying. I think we’re lead to believe the “it’s more complicated” line is Kimmy setting up telling him something he won’t like, that her success is the result of being at Stone, running it, and ultimately now being involved with the father. But there is likely more to those “complications” we don’t know yet.

JL23

2024-08-05 20:38:43 +0000 UTC

Something is much more intriguing about this relationship with Keith. Earlier, Josh commented, "I don't care about the money, Kimmy. You took the money to buy a house. Buy a house for our daughter. That's what we saved that money for". She then added, "It's more complicated than that". There is more to her buying the house to keep Josh in her life, or Colleen's. It sounds, almost like a condition of something. Then for her to add in later storyline, "You have to, Josh. Please..."

Wayne

2024-08-05 20:30:58 +0000 UTC

Yes. It feels like two totally different Kimmy characters. We don't even know Kimmy's POV but I suspect it would take a couple of chapters to find out what she has been doing with her life since we last saw her. That if we get another flash forward of Kimmy and Josh being her willing cuckold that it would even open further holes of what's happening!

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-05 20:29:17 +0000 UTC

That’s another great question to ask at the end, what was the “shorter” ending and how this longer one ends up different,

JL23

2024-08-05 20:20:41 +0000 UTC

If KT had finished the novel when she planned, it would not have been half the book it is right now... unfinished! And it was already great! She made the right decision. She even trusted us to make it too.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-05 20:12:59 +0000 UTC

Well, that’s a fair point, that it’s a natural human state to both be attracted to and afraid of such things. But given Josh’s history on that high point - He actually already jumped off the cliff once and has vividly imagined doing so again in various ways -we could say he has limited impulse control regarding kimmy. And he has a kid now (he thinks) so the genes are good for the moment.

CSH

2024-08-05 20:12:48 +0000 UTC

I just went back to the chapter where Kimmy leaves, to try and see if I could parse meaning into her words, and how they’d apply to where she is today. Some key quotes: “I can’t hurt you anymore and I don’t deserve your compassion. I don’t deserve your support.” “I don’t deserve you Josh. I don’t want to hurt you anymore. I never wanted to hurt you. Not for real. But everything I did ended up destroying who you are.” “I started something I can’t stop, Josh. And now it’s out of control. I don’t want you to get run over. You’re the kind of man who’d step in the way to save me and I don’t want that. I want to burn all by myself.” Yet, here she seems to be, hurting him again and running him over. I suppose I could interpret some of those passages that her inner nature will just continue to cause Josh hurt, and as painful as this, it’s her way of setting him free to rebuild his life. The idea she’d move on without attempting to explain what happened, or see if she could win him back, would probably indicate this. Maybe she now sees herself as perpetually bad for Josh, and there’s no way she can fix that. But there’s so much fear in her tone and words, I find it hard to believe if she truly found a way out, she wouldn’t have worked to at least contact Josh. Even if he wasn’t returning her texts with the baby pictures, you’d still expect her to keep trying before she started sleeping with someone else. At least let him know you’re OK. Not just let him find out second hand not only wasn’t she in trouble, she was thriving. Did the knowledge he was dating Karina push her to give up? Would that little piece of knowledge be enough for her to throw the towel in? Like I said, the way she’s been reacting doesn’t indicate she’s in trouble still. All the things she has and all the things she’s providing others indicate that as well. It really feels like she's moved on, or is ready to move on, from being with him. But...is that still just what she wants him to think for some reason? I still just find it hard to swallow that she actually found a way out and didn’t try harder to win Josh back. I cannot reconcile the Kimmy in Chapter 14-26 to the Kimmy we see now. If all that ends up being explained away in a neat, tidy bow...and mostly has nothing to do with why she is moving toward ending things with Josh now, I'd have a hard time with that. I'm not looking for Kimmy to suffer greatly, but a smidge of suffering isn't too much to ask right?

JL23

2024-08-05 20:04:23 +0000 UTC

The attention thing is true... but I suspect that in the long term the attention Keith turned on her was not what she intended.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-05 19:50:53 +0000 UTC

KT already knows my fondest dream for the future of the Waters... but I think she knows I want what she wants more. Are their any Blue Moons due in the near future?

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-05 19:28:25 +0000 UTC

It does obey the rules of transference of evidence. But the likelihood of being Kimmy's own is high. Not only that, but although the mistress of the house goes off galivanting around the world with her fancyman for significant lengths of time, Hyung has black hair too!

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-05 19:20:58 +0000 UTC

Yeah, I totally get it. We're looking for good things for Josh. He has Colleen, and he'll always have her, but we want more for him than just living above his estranged wife's garage while she dates a new powerful man. I just have to think it's not going to end like that, or end with Josh alone and not able to move on at all. I still firmly believe there's more to the story here, we just have to find out. On Karina, yeah it's feeling a bit unfair that we'd just "by the way" a relationship with her. But I really just suspect they went out casually on a few dates and they both realized Josh wasn't ready. So that doesn't preclude there might be something down the road with her, or one of the people at Swanson, or someone else. Maybe it's blind trust (it certainly is at the moment), I just think if KT is not circling back to Josh/Kimmy together at the end, the intent is to provide Josh with a softer landing than the emotional mess he is right now.

JL23

2024-08-05 19:17:29 +0000 UTC

And she's sleeping with a 56 year old billionaire. Because let's face it. Everyone knows about the $14,000 picture. That means everyone knows what Josh thinks is happening, and they think the same thing. So unless Kimmy starts wearing the ring in public, changes her name back to Waters and no longer goes out with Keith Stone... Well, staying in that small one room abode above the garage is going to be a constant embarrassment factory. No two ways about it.

L_S87

2024-08-05 19:06:56 +0000 UTC

Sorry to burst your bubble C, but standing on a high point makes me feel the same way. Ever since I first read Premature Burial I have to resist the siren song of waking in a coffin. The desire to step off a curb... the desire to smoke a cigarette or get as pissed as a newt, the desire to check the gas is off, Is it not just to trigger a psychosomatic response with, or without the consequences? Also the urge to get in line to fuck your wife would, like our intellectual rivals dogs pigs and our friends the bonobo increase the survival of our genes. Evolution is the perfect argument that things happen with no conscious effort or intrinsic value, of course, it's probably a bad theory. It's much more likely that a big immortal, omnipresent, omniscient all invisible potato just like myself, created the universe, or multiverse or what ever new occurs to me or some other potato head. Why would reality exist without a reason?

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-05 19:05:45 +0000 UTC

Bill, you perfectly described my two ex-wives: stone-cold c**t. That made me chuckle. Thanks!

Bill H.

2024-08-05 19:03:41 +0000 UTC

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about the lack of comments. We’re like a pack of hyenas tearing up any comment for meaning. 😂 But also kind of makes me think (hope) the next chapter might be a big one to advance towards where this is going, and answering a lot of questions we have, and she doesn’t want to give something away by commenting or liking any of the responses.

JL23

2024-08-05 18:43:00 +0000 UTC

At 269 comments now….nice! Oh well, now it’s 270. Fun while it lasted.

JL23

2024-08-05 18:40:44 +0000 UTC

It is used in England too. Who could resist the rhyme?

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-05 18:29:03 +0000 UTC

Yes. I was hoping Josh kept his cards hidden and that he was lying to Kimmy. That he was in a real relationship with Karina and was there to tell her he wanted a divorce.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-05 18:23:18 +0000 UTC

Me four!

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-05 18:18:18 +0000 UTC

It's also a little embarrassing to say that your wife shacked you up in a garage nest on her compound while she lives in her 2 mil house and you no longer sleep with her.

Chris K

2024-08-05 18:09:05 +0000 UTC

While Josh can have a lot of issues, I do think you can take him at face value there he wants to know what he's getting in to by accepting this "gift". It's a huge pill to swallow, what Kimmy is asking for. Every other separated dad in the world, including Meyer, sees their daughter just fine while remaining removed from their ex, living elsewhere. Why does Josh "have" to see his daughter every day and why does he "have" to live onsite with her? It reeks, and Josh knows it, so he's asking questions. Yes, he's also asking because he's angry and hurt, but he needs these answers, because saying yes is perilous.

L_S87

2024-08-05 17:58:57 +0000 UTC

Me three!

Chris K

2024-08-05 17:53:35 +0000 UTC

I get you, JL. I'm on the opposite place, the more I think on it, the less realistic it feels that any sort of cuckold relationship, in this particular dynamic, would ever work. Short of just abracadabra-ing it into existence and ignoring everything that's come before, I just don't see it. Sure, Josh still wants Kimmy, he wouldn't feel so twisted up about this if he didn't, but that's a far cry from wanting or accepting a scenario where he shares Kimmy with Stone.

L_S87

2024-08-05 17:47:07 +0000 UTC

Me too!

Kat

2024-08-05 17:44:23 +0000 UTC

Logically, you're 99.99% likely to be right. I'm clinging to the .01% because right now, Josh's life is going to shit, and I kinda like the idea he found someone special he's working things out with who won't tear his heart out like Kimmy routinely does.

L_S87

2024-08-05 17:35:30 +0000 UTC

I think she's choosing to not comment because, realistically, any sort of response she gives to ease any of our ire or concern will give away, at least in some part, the storyline she's crafted. Best to just wait it out and continue crafting so she can get us the answers in the next chapter. (Yes, I realize it might not be the next chapter, but I'm projecting my wishes here, because I need those answers, dammit!)

L_S87

2024-08-05 17:33:21 +0000 UTC

Definitely American pre-teen cussing right there! Lol

Chris K

2024-08-05 17:33:13 +0000 UTC

That why I was bummed when KT made Josh have a throw away relationship with Karina. I think he would woman up there.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-05 17:29:18 +0000 UTC

Not that I know of. I think it’s a KT-ism. 😃

Kat

2024-08-05 17:28:35 +0000 UTC

I am still confused about the first time jump. And what the hell happened. A lot of that needs some explanation. Like a couple chapters worth. But then having more time jumps would take me out of the story altogether just to shoe horn in a cuckold dynamic. I don't know. Maybe if the cuckold relationship had someone other than Keith. I was hoping the man with Kimmy was a new young office employee but having it be Keith doesn't ring true to the characters for me. Also Kimmy just had a baby would she really get into another relationship so soon after giving birth and forcibly separated from Josh who is has said she deeply loves. Really!

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-05 17:26:56 +0000 UTC

Hey KT, As of right now there are 252 comments on this chapter. I think you hit a nerve or something, 😂

Kat

2024-08-05 17:25:23 +0000 UTC

LOL. When he said that in his head, I was like "Come on! You HAVE to tell her that out loud. She's earned it!" A very proper response to this ridiculous conundrum she's thrust on him of "having" to live off her benevolence while also getting the joy of knowing she's screwing Keith Stone to pay for it.

L_S87

2024-08-05 17:25:20 +0000 UTC

In 'Avernus' the parentage of a child may yet prove crucial! Will this epilogue end with Kimmy asking for just a little longer to fix things for bumbling danger-to-himself Josh! When Colleen becomes a teenager and looks at her mother will she feel proud, or will she think... how could a guy like my dad ever have married such a stone-cold cunt! Or will she just be pissed at them both like a normal kid!

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-05 17:24:24 +0000 UTC

Apropos of nothing important to the story, but I just wanted to note I believe this is at least the second time Josh has used the phrase “fu$k a duck.” One of my favorite invectives, but not one I hear many use. Is that popular Canadian profanity?

JL23

2024-08-05 17:13:20 +0000 UTC

It could make sense over time, so maybe each chapter is going to include some bigger time jumps and we’ll need to infer progress and discussions are happening in between. Or there will even be big time jumps within chapters. We see an interaction in one part, then skip a week ahead immediately to another interaction. But it would go against how KT tends to do it, where interactions (like we see here) take multiple chapters to play out fully. I don’t know, I guess I’d need some indication they both really put the work in to make pursuing a cuckold relationship realistic. But the more I’ve thought about it, I’m coming more around to the idea we’re getting some version of that.

JL23

2024-08-05 17:07:37 +0000 UTC

Hey it could be something. But I just don’t get any sense Josh is hiding from us that he’s still dating someone else.

JL23

2024-08-05 17:01:37 +0000 UTC

Why does everybody, even you have such a low opinion of Josh? He is clearly still mooning over her... but he is not an idiot. Once bitten, twice shy! He is waiting for her to make the first move, and maybe to stop adopting such superior airs. Does she think he needs to be handed another pair of soiled panties to distrust her? Does she not feel the slightest guilt about her form behaviour? Language is full of pitfalls. But silence sends few good signals... She clearly learnt the lessons of the law well. But no comment is easily misinterpreted. Nothing will come of nothing. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Kimmy seems pretty desperate and demanding for a person who is well off. Extremely bad taste to joke that Josh is self pitying when she has been pitiless in her treatment of him for so long and unrelenting in ignoring that his pain may feel just as great as hers. Or is it?

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-05 17:00:18 +0000 UTC

I was kinda hoping it was Karina, wrong color, but still hoping. I'm still irked with KT for turning her into a throw away relationship.

L_S87

2024-08-05 16:58:08 +0000 UTC

That's how I initially saw it, too, JL. And I dismissed Karina for the reason you noted, but it just feels pointed. Like why write out such a statement if it's just a throw away because it's Kimmy's hair? It's the logical reason, but something about it .. I don't know. I'm probably digging for something that isn't there because while it would seem out of character for Josh to have a side chick, especially while getting so damn angry at Kimmy about Stone, it might explain Kimmy wanting to move on. If that's what she's doing. Grasping at straws. That's what KT has reduced me to with this damn chapter.

L_S87

2024-08-05 16:56:03 +0000 UTC

Other thing I was just thinking on the cuckold angle: Kimmy has always claimed the presence of Josh, or thinking about Josh seeing what’s she doing, heightened the arousal for her. We all kind of called BS on it, but it was certainly true to an extent. So what if she starts to find she actually does need it. That the sex with Keith is fine, good enough, but the thought of Josh watching, or thinking Josh may be imagining what she’s doing…thats what really keeps her engine running. Again, it’d probably take time to work through all the other issues. But maybe over time, that goes from imagining Josh, to finding evidence Josh is really thinking about it to…maybe she sneaks out to the longhouse one night and starts…talking to him about it. Then more… It’s a scenario that leads to more balance, Josh needs her, but she needs Josh as well. Just another thought.

JL23

2024-08-05 16:54:16 +0000 UTC

I think it’s just Kimmy’s. They’ve been close enough at points here where a hair may have transferred to his sweater. When she was touching him when holding the baby. He mentioned she was wearing her hair down too. That’s how I took that at least. If you’re thinking it’s from another woman, it wouldn’t be Karina since she’s blonde. But I really just think that was Kimmy’s hair.

JL23

2024-08-05 16:48:19 +0000 UTC

Yeah, I'm kind of split on wanting there to be a small time jump next chapter because Josh walked out the door after Kimmy nodded, done with this shit and having a POV shift to Kimmy to explain what the hell is going on. Or at least let us see her thoughts so we know why she's making these choices. Can we please have another chapter today, KT? PLEASE? This is killing me.

L_S87

2024-08-05 16:43:40 +0000 UTC

Okay, I've read this over and over and over and over and... You get the gist, because so much of this is difficult and confusing. Trying to parse some meaning out of Kimmy's actions as to why she would do this, and do it this way. And something keeps jumping out at me that I don't get, because it feels like it must be significant, otherwise it wouldn't have been written about. The long, black hair Kimmy plucks off Josh's sweater. That wouldn't make sense to be Josh's, right? So where did it come from and who's is it?

L_S87

2024-08-05 16:37:51 +0000 UTC

Could you imagine one day Colleen finding out about all of this? I can’t imagine raising a baby in this kind of fucked up environment. I’m still having a lot of trouble believing that Kimmy wants a relationship with Keith Stone, but also wants Josh living in her backyard. Free babysitting aside, it makes no sense to bring that kind of drama into your every day living situation, and seems so unlike both of these characters. It’s unbelievable. They have barely spoken in a year, but Josh and Kimmy are going to go forward with this type of relationship? No way.

Kat

2024-08-05 16:33:17 +0000 UTC

Yes but it's so weird. So i when Junior is in town does he and Daddy tag team Kimmy? (LOL!) Keeping it in the family.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-05 16:25:46 +0000 UTC

I just don’t see it happening with Keith Stone. Josh has had his own experiences with him, and I think there was a mention about how Devlin learned from his dad. I think any kind of extracurricular activities for Kimmy would have to be with anyone else not named Stone. It just doesn’t ring true to the character. He needs to trust Kimmy first, and at the moment there’s no trust at all.

Kat

2024-08-05 16:25:17 +0000 UTC

It was made clear in one of the early books that Daddy did not have too a high an opinion of Sonny.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-05 16:22:21 +0000 UTC

All the scenarios really suck. The only one I kind of like is that Kimmy is being blackmailed to have a relationship with Keith. But as other have said it's the less believable option. I just want the next chapter sooner rather than later. So KT can put me out of my misery.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-05 16:22:00 +0000 UTC

I still struggle with it being Stone. Someone else, with time, perhaps, but not him, and not the way Josh has been introduced to Kimmy and Keith's relationship. It's too incongruent for me. Plus I feel like anything that impactful, where Josh throws off all his past thoughts and actions to move forward in a cuckold relationship with Kimmy who still sees Keith would require a LOT more than a few chapters. We'd need books worth of effort for that to work. Otherwise it's just KT saying "This happened. The end." Not really, but it would be so abbreviated that it would feel like that. Something that momentous would need it's own support to properly stand up. So, maybe it's possible, but it feels wrong to me, on many levels. Too much easy invalidation of past works. Or that's how I see such a scenario.

L_S87

2024-08-05 16:19:14 +0000 UTC

Yes, Kat. Kimmy hasn't proven her herself trustworthy in this relationship through 15 books.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-05 16:13:12 +0000 UTC

Also what happened to the tapes she recorded of Devlin? If she gave them to Keith to blackmail him so she wouldn't go to jail. Why would he promote her and start a relationship with her? After all she humiliated his son wouldn't he be disgusted with her and his son.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-05 16:05:23 +0000 UTC

He needs to trust Kimmy in order for that kind of a relationship to happen. He needs to feel like a partner, like she’s doing it for him, as well. I don’t see how we get that in a few more chapters. There’s no trust there at all.

Kat

2024-08-05 16:01:42 +0000 UTC

You both make a good points. Why would the man that Kimmy stole from help her out? He’s going to want something good, something big, in order to keep quiet about all of this. At this point, whether she’s with him by coercion or by choice does it matter? She’s with him, and that’s enough for Josh to walk away.

Kat

2024-08-05 15:59:03 +0000 UTC

Yeah L_S, Kimmy not wanting to put Josh back into that place, or not trusting he’d be OK with it even if he says he was, is just as big an obstacle to that scenario working out quickly as anything else. So yeah, I’m stumped where this is going too…just throwing out various ways I think some of the scenarios could work.

JL23

2024-08-05 15:36:35 +0000 UTC

Your right Bill. She can't be saved by the very man she was stealing from in the first place. And she did steal that money specifically to get his attention.

Chris K

2024-08-05 15:33:36 +0000 UTC

Has anybody heard of Occam's Razor? I must've left it lying around here somewhere... be careful none of you cut yourself on it!

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-05 15:28:53 +0000 UTC

I would hate that ending. Josh really needs to be done with Kimmy. I don’t think Kimmy’s relationship with Keith will last, as well. I am seriously bummed the story has taken us here.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-05 15:22:37 +0000 UTC

Yeah, ultimately we just have to wait. There's too much unknown to get any sort of clear picture. Too much doesn't add up. I'm not sure I could accept Josh being okay with Keith Stone when he wasn't okay with Devlin. It feels way too contrived for him to agree to that willingly. Though it would be quite the horror ending if he was forced into it. Though Kimmy's actions seem to indicate she wouldn't want that for him. She's being very contrite here. If she maneuvered Josh down this road, It would risk another lake incident. How horrible would that be for Colleen? I couldn't ever imagine Kimmy doing that. So I don't know. I'm stumped.

L_S87

2024-08-05 15:18:35 +0000 UTC

Yeah, I read it that way too. He’s turned on by the idea, still, but repulsed by the reality. You can also point back to when Kimmy leaves at the end of Book 14, she tells him that he wants to believe Devlin is the better man because it turns him on to think that. So even if she’s now scared to hurt him again, she still believes the scenario turns him on as well. You can also parse that final interaction at Book 14 for other clues it may be your scenario. She tells him “we talked, a lot, you can’t say we didn’t.” I take that to mean about the game, why she did some of what she did, and where she saw her and Josh’s roles and desires. So maybe that’s where we’re heading. Again, the one problem I have with that is all the drama and recriminations of Book 14 seem kind of pointless in retrospect. If Kimmy and Josh quickly put all that happened aside and pursue some version of a game through a relationship with the father, it would take a lot of time for either of them to get comfortable, otherwise all that drama wasn’t believable in the end. But maybe that can be solved with more time jumps, or chapters that take place across weeks or months, rather than the same day. KT changed the timeline from 18 months later to 12 months, some of that was putting the trip in the summer month, but I also interpreted because she wanted more room to take another jump. Reading between the lines, felt like there is an important event happening around Colleen’s first birthday perhaps, and that’s 6 months from where we are now. Josh would have to comfortable in the idea that others might know and not worry about judgment. Hyun lives there, so it’d be hard to conceal that from her. People like Meyer might know as well. But I think it’s doable they could keep it secret, provided Keith played his part and wasn’t trying to run his own game like Devlin. The harder part would be Josh not concerning himself with that. I’d also need to see Josh is more comfortable in that being part of his life, and not to get wrapped up in anger, hurt, or the belief Kimmy is betraying him. Kimmy would need to be comfortable that Josh can handle it, and also go about in a more honest and communicative way than before, where they both felt a part of the decision making. Maybe they settle on a version they first had with Devlin, only with them both knowing the events were actually real. Kimmy goes off on business trips with Keith, they explore those fantasies, and then Kimmy comes back and drives Josh wild in bed with talk of her escapades (or calls and describes them after they happened). I think plenty of couples do it that way and it works, and Josh avoids the reality of seeing it with his own eyes. I can see it…I just can’t see it in a short period of time.

JL23

2024-08-05 15:11:16 +0000 UTC

You're right, CSH. I get where you're coming from in regards to his thoughts, I just interpret his reactions to the thoughts and what that truly means he "wants" differently. We wouldn't really have nearly as much of a story if there wasn't a part of Josh that didn't like this in some way. It's why I think he'd be okay with it under far different circumstances. Josh needs a scenario where it's okay to want that because there's literally nothing else wrong with his situation. There are no fears of loss, no fears of reprisal, no fears of others finding out. He needs the perfect storm scenario, which includes Kimmy smothering him in love and having his 100% complete trust, with a potential third partner who has zero past issues clouding anyone's judgement. None of that exists right now. It didn't before and that's why everything failed. So yes, it could happen for Josh, but it requires the right circumstances. And I don't feel like we have those here. The images come, but he's not helpless against them because he fights back, and he fights back because he ultimately doesn't want them. At least not like this.

L_S87

2024-08-05 15:07:11 +0000 UTC

I think those interactions between Rocco and Nia play differently if KT went down that path. I just remember her mentioning and even providing a few paragraphs of writing, that described the scenario. Instead of Josh dropping Odie off to attend Rocco's son funeral, he was actually going to be attending Rocco's funeral after he dies in a plane crash going to a fishing trip. Nia was still with Rocco when it happened, and the idea was they'd rebuild their relationship after that happened over time.

JL23

2024-08-05 15:01:20 +0000 UTC

It seems to me people are mistaking Keith for some sort of benefactor. He has as far as we know illegally coerced or blackmailed Kimmy into working for him. I can understand people's confusion, as when she is not controlling her waterworks and being dismissive to Josh she is sweeping around in all her fashionable splendor as though she were the lynchpin of a Noël Coward theatrical slice of life! Though her former devil may care joie de vivre is in marked decline. I wonder why that might have come about, probably post partum depression or one those things that 'they' suffer from!

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-05 14:50:30 +0000 UTC

It kinda read like the same emotions he had right before he tossed the chair. He also fought the runaway urge as well. So, maybe maybe not?

Chris K

2024-08-05 14:39:04 +0000 UTC

In the version I read Rocco quite effectively killed the 'affair' using his own repugnant personality. Unless he was flying the plane himself I'm glad KT spared us less deserving fictional casualties

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-05 14:33:35 +0000 UTC

So L S87 here is what i was trying to get at - “Now he wished he could stop asking questions. That old rolling angst began swirling in his guts, racing his heart with something like hate and lust.” And this: He lurched away from the door jamb, a surprising swell of old fears and passions pushing past the cobwebs the medication had spun in his brain. And this: His hands went to fists, his jaw clenched and his brow lowered, his mind’s eye flashing all kinds of wicked and dirty scenarios he didn’t want to see. So, yes, repelled but also helpless to resist imagining getting cucked. He hates it but he is also obsessed with it. Of course we can all read things differently.

CSH

2024-08-05 14:28:30 +0000 UTC

To be honest L_S87, the idea that Kimmy just is deciding to move on doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me either, but her reactions and demeanor the last 2 chapters, just make more sense to me if she’s trying to tell Josh she is starting a genuine relationship with Keith and wants to explore it, more than that she’s still trying to protect Josh from some kind of danger she’s involved in. But again, that leads to where the story goes from here, if that’s the case. She may not be telling him it’s over and she wants a divorce, but needs time to explore this newfound relationship. So maybe CSH’s idea that having Josh there, seeing Kimmy every day and thinking about her with Keith, brings those desires back, and maybe he and Kimmy work their way back to a cuckolding lifestyle on a more even footing. Or Josh submits fully to kind of just being a passenger in the marriage, at least when it comes to their sex life, and accepts Kimmy being the dominant partner. It just feels like we’d need more time than what we have left here to make that the ending. I can envision how we could get there, but I wouldn’t find it believable that he went through all that resistance and trauma over Kimmy with Devlin, only to quickly accept a cuckold relationship with Devlin’s father. It would just come off as him trying to hang onto Kimmy any way he could, and Kimmy would rightly be skeptical he could actually live with it. And if she wasn’t, her metamorphosis the last chapter would seem like she was lying all along. Maybe that is the story and the lesson, I just feel like we need a lot of time to get there, and a lot of time for both Josh and Kimmy to truly believe that as a path forward. A lot more than is currently planned. But maybe that’s the horror story. Josh decides he can’t live without Kimmy. So he makes compromises to stay with her, and embraces the things that turn him on while burying the stuff that repulses him.

JL23

2024-08-05 14:24:33 +0000 UTC

L S87 - This is a really great point -“How is this a "horror" story if Josh magically is okay with this and suddenly wants it? Then it's no longer horror, it's just run of the mill.” I agree. I guess what i mean is that he finds the idea attractive and yet is repulsed by it. He feels both emotions. And that is within the traditions of the best horror fiction.

CSH

2024-08-05 14:09:08 +0000 UTC

Genre is only a hash tag not a constraint, Andrew. It would be inverted snobbery to ban the rest of life from erotica... And I think in this particular case a crying shame. Like insisting on genuine history in TV series.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-05 14:07:03 +0000 UTC

It’s hard for me to accept Kimmy would leave Josh for Keith. We know Kimmy claims she is in love with Josh ( Even though her actions speak otherwise). However, Keith seems like the type who would eventually tire of Kimmy and leave her just like Devlin’s mom and his many mistresses. Plus Kimmy just had Josh’s kid it doesn’t really add up. I have to see her POV.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-05 13:59:03 +0000 UTC

Wasn't directed at you LS. But Glaucon. Sorry. "I can’t fault the feeling here, but I think the point of Devlin’s unceremonious banishment and Kimmy’s rejection at the threesome is to underscore that he is and always was a chump, and the driving force behind everything, the “devil in the waters” so to speak, was always Kimmy." Or in the case of being entitled to his opinion. Zach. My Patreon page is not chaotic but disordered... in disarray. As usual the customer is frustrated at every turn... Being unable to speak to a human being, sometimes a blessing, is the deliberate oppression and torture of our cowardly new world. Once DITW is complete I will sort it out.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-05 13:55:55 +0000 UTC

Well, no I dont think we do have to take him at his word. A big part of both kimmy and Josh’s characters has been their nature as unreliable narrators. Both lie to themselves and therefore to the reader. But, yeah, I get your point. I guess it is closer to the truth that the whole process of the cuckolding, especially how it was done, and the feelings it engendered in him, destroyed him. You say it was Kimmy’s betrayal, I say it was his seeming compulsion to get cuckolded. Perhaps it was actually both. They are inseparable. BTW I’ll go through and pull some quotes from this chapter to support the idea that he still is obsessed with the cuckolding and a part of him still wants it. I agree he doesn’t ‘like’ it but does the heroin addict who has tried to quit multiple times ‘like’ getting high? You have some good points here though.

CSH

2024-08-05 13:54:55 +0000 UTC

I just can't get past how guilty and defensive her posture is here. It makes me feel like something isn't right. But as you have said many times, JL, that something that's not right could just be her actually having a thing for Keith Stone and knowing just how much Josh would hate it, so she feels guilty for going back on all the things she said just before she left, making herself a liar once again, something she promised not to do anymore. It would explain her going silent 6 months in. It's hard for me to wrap my head around her moving on with Stone like that, but it fits with a number of things. It just doesn't fit with earning Josh back or working for his happiness. Which she would know, so the carriage house is a peace offering, if a shitty one because of having to see her every day, and her meekness is her apology for putting Josh in another untenable situation. I hate that idea, JL. Dammit. But... It does fit. There's still issues in regards to how she's acting making it convoluted and not perfect, like the ring and all the touching, but that could just be her being wistful for the past she lost due to her own horrible choices. We'll see.

L_S87

2024-08-05 13:53:33 +0000 UTC

Overstating your case... Kimmy was only ever in charge of Josh and not even that. Companies are the antithesis of democracies. Kimmy, a woman was directly beneath Devlin now she is directly below his father. I don't think for a moment that Kimmy was rescued by him. The Kimmy we see now is a pretty bird on display in gilded cage, beneath the gold the bars are tempered steel. She is outside the law... cupped in hands that are convinced that the could 'crush' her. But her important purpose for Keith is much more bestial like the beasts of the field that serve mankind. Supposedly.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-05 13:46:48 +0000 UTC

I don’t think there’s coercion into Kimmy having sex, if there is a “there’s more to it with her relationship with Keith” angle, I’d buy that perhaps she’s lying about the sex to keep Josh at arms length so he doesn’t get involved. But I don’t think there’s a scenario where she’s being coerced into something like that. Everything now just points to me that she isn’t in danger or trouble though. I think we need to know exactly how she got to this point, but I think the simplest solution makes sense. Keith decided to help her at some point, and then also at some point she’s grown closer to him and started a relationship. How Josh is going to fit into all that, is also anyone’s guess. But I’ve given up thoughts Josh is riding in to save the day somehow.

JL23

2024-08-05 13:36:25 +0000 UTC

Agree that the erotic tension needs to return for there to be a satisfactory ending. Unless Keith is visiting the Fountain of Youth, his ability to make Kimmy swoon cannot match Devlin's even if daddy has great equipment. The other problem is Josh's memory of his parent's interaction with Keith. This is an unlikely recipe for eros. Of all his problems,, mommy and daddy issues do not seem to plague Josh unduly. I vote for Devlin's triumphant return to Toronto, complete with resuscitation services on call. Josh will accept some lesser role, but start to date Karina - a "lite" shit sandwich for him.

Donkatsu

2024-08-05 13:10:06 +0000 UTC

Chris, I could agree to that, it's something old Kimmy would plot and execute, if 6 months in she'd had a change of heart, and that's why she stopped talking to Josh and bought the house. My only issue is that the Kimmy from these last 3 chapters isn't really acting like that. So unless the tears and head nods are all a fabricated facade, then she's genuinely upset about what she's putting him through. And that wouldn't equate to her intentionally cutting him loose in such a fashion, with the house being an afterthought to shut him up about the money. That's also a good point from you, JL. About being forced into sex by Stone being soul crushing. I've spit balled (love they word usage from you) that idea before in other posts, because it would allow Josh to play Superman and rescue her, but she probably wouldn't be this put together if things were that awful. Her issues come across as ones where things are going in ways she knows Josh will hate, and she hates that for him, because she's once again lied to him, if maybe unintentionally, and betrayed him yet again with another Stone. She knows it and hates it but can't or won't change it. Or maybe that's all over and she just knows how much Josh will dislike that it even happened. She doesn't talk like it's over, but who knows? Without some confirmation from Kimmy's POV, we're guessing just as much as Josh is.

L_S87

2024-08-05 13:05:20 +0000 UTC

I agree, JL. Which is why I go back to wondering, unlikely as it may be, if she's having sex with Keith against her will. She might like the sex, because he's endowed and experienced, but is ultimately trapped into having to do it as one of the stipulations of her not being in trouble. And Josh "has" to live there because she needs his support to get through it. Thus setting up a scenario to save her. Or be cuckolded against his will, which I don't think he'll accept. Hopefully the next chapter shines light on this by giving us Kimmy's POV and why she's acting the way she is.

L_S87

2024-08-05 12:45:35 +0000 UTC

You're right, Bill. And I could be 100% wrong in my assertions. We'll see. I feel like if I am then the story isn't written very well, but again, it's ultimately my opinion. I don't want anyone to ever feel like I'm saying they're wrong and I'm right and their opinion is invalid because it doesn't conform to mine. That's about as awful as all the shit Kimmy has done. So if I came across that way, I'm wrong and I apologize.

L_S87

2024-08-05 12:40:39 +0000 UTC

Can’t wait to find out though.

Tracey52

2024-08-05 12:28:38 +0000 UTC

I could just read that as she’s going to break Josh’s heart and she knows that, cause she wants to move on. It’s probably something she swore she wouldn’t do again, but here she is doing it. I’d buy she’d struggle being direct with him in that situation. But I also agree with CSH that without some kind of tension between Kimmy and Josh, I don’t know what the story is. So it’s hard for me to accept she’s actually telling him it’s over between them totally.

JL23

2024-08-05 12:27:54 +0000 UTC

I could see Kimmy, saying that, JL. Especially older Kimmy who loves Josh, and has taken the past experiences to realize this just won't work the way she was trying to force it to. So she has to be who she is and let Josh be who he is. Which is why Kimmy here is twisting me up, because she's not being that matter of fact. She's acting timid and guilty and not like old Kimmy at all. Her actions with Keith scream old Kimmy, but her body language and words her are opposite of that. So I have no idea what she intends with this offering.

L_S87

2024-08-05 12:14:23 +0000 UTC

Interesting thoughts all around here, and the biggest reason I love how we have a way to share our different views of the same subject showing just how diverse we all are when reading the same thing. Because I see Josh going into that lake fundamentally differently than JL or CSH. For me it's clear he was running away from being betrayed and cuckolded. He ran from the thought of his friends knowing Kimmy betrayed him. How? By cuckolding him. He ran away from the thought of them knowing he wasn't good enough for Kimmy, because she what? Cuckolded him. Ultimately, he ran into the lake to get away from being cuckolded. We can quibble and prevaricate about the tiny details behind it, but Josh left their apartment to get away from what Kimmy did to him and how what she did made him feel. We could talk about him projecting his insecurities for having feelings he doesn't want onto Kimmy, but again, we go back to those feelings occurring because of Kimmy actually cuckolding him and him hating how that made him feel. At some point, you have to stop saying "yeah, but what he really wants is .." and simply trust that Josh had said enough times he hates this and doesn't want it that this is established fact and won't change. Hell, we started out this book, 12 months later, and Josh is what? Taking anxiety meds. Why? Being betrayed. How. He was cuckolded when he didn't want that. He can only be and feel betrayed if Kimmy did something he didn't want. I still think, in a closed environment, no cheating, just him and Kimmy, before all this happened, Josh would have been willing to explore this with Kimmy. It would have had to have been broached differently, but that would have also lead to a different outcome. Edit: it's important to note that the majority of the time Josh was "okay" with this was when it was just him and Kimmy, in bed, he could tell himself it was just "their" game, and he enjoyed that. He still struggled internally afterward (again showing how not okay he was on many levels) but he could get past it because it was his and Kimmys game. Their thing. Not hers, not Devlin's. Theirs. That's why I think anything with Keith Stone would fail, because it's not Josh's thing. It's Kimmy and Keiths, forced on him (he even laments here about Stone being forced into his life by Kimmy)

L_S87

2024-08-05 12:02:48 +0000 UTC

He’s just in such a bad place right now, I don’t see how you can get him in a book, even less now really, to accept his fate as a cuckold. Thinking of Kimmy being with Keith Stone and getting turned on is not enough for me to believe it. I could see Kimmy giving him some kind of explanation akin to: “I’m comfortable in who I am, and I like it. I’d love if you could accept it, but you can’t, and I don’t want to manipulate you anymore into things cause I’ll only continue to hurt you.” In his need to have Kimmy, could he suddenly decide he’s OK with it? Maybe, but just kind of feels like he’s being forced into accepting it. I don’t think Kimmy would buy such a drastic shift like that either. If we’re going that route, I’d rather see it be a choice he makes over time and fully accepts. It doesn’t feel like we have enough time if that’s the ending KT has in mind.

JL23

2024-08-05 11:50:13 +0000 UTC

Kimmy's toughness has been manifest numerous times already in this story. She keeps her goals in mind and is willing to walk over anyone who gets in her way. She does not let opposition or obstacles,, whether temporary or permanent divert her from her goals. Josh, OTOH, cannot stay on topic even in a simple conversation and takes weeks or months to get back on track, if he ever does. It is not always true that singleminded devotion to an objective is admirable, especially if the objective itself is evil. However, Kimmy will generally be able to achieve some or most of what she wants because she knows what those things or states of being are. Josh, not so much. Even now, we are still debating whether Josh really wants or would accept something like the original Kimmy/Devlin deal with the old man traded in and another player to be named later.

Donkatsu

2024-08-05 11:12:45 +0000 UTC

Josh's weakness is shame. Kimmy's is pride. Too much taking home good report cards to her parents. Now she's got her 'Daddy' Broker Keith managing her performance. Josh is no longer her partner in crime. That's the way she wanted it is graven in his memory like a tombstone. However it may defined... she's up to her neck in it. Drowning not waving. RIP.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-05 10:56:42 +0000 UTC

If things don't make sense... you're possibly missing the picture, Andrew. Maybe Josh needs to woman up! Even Atlas got a break from carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders...

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-05 10:36:11 +0000 UTC

There are victims and victimisers... Josh is not a victim, a softie... he has never given up... never yet. Lets see how Kimmy comports herself now she finds herself once more in his shoes! I hope this isn't an epilog, because that would mean the real story is all over and we are all sitting on the edge of our seats, chewing our nails, in a daze, while actually the 'credits' are scrolling down... I'd rather go home! And if not for KT I would!

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-05 10:22:13 +0000 UTC

Everyone's entitled to their opinion...

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-05 10:01:28 +0000 UTC

Game's up... The girl who cried... When do we get to see a real wolf in it's natural environment. Devlin was a clown that was never penny wise. The devil's greatest trick was opening up shop in Toronto... and exploiting weakness. Wasn't Joshua entrusted with a task? Keith... This is... I know who 'he' is! So much for prep... Take a seat...

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-05 09:54:54 +0000 UTC

This makes a lot of sense in some ways, but is a challenge, sort of like Sr. Is now, from a Josh perspective. Josh has made it so clear he won't accept this that any scenario of Devlin remaining in the picture with Kimmy means Josh being removed from the story or having a bifurcated storyline where the two are separated for the final books. Now it's looking like we may get that anyway, depending on how things go here over the next few chapters, so maybe it makes sense that Sr is replaced by Devlin. It's just Kimmy didn't seem to like Devlin all that much, in a personal level, so I'm not sure how that would work. It's part of why I find her hooking up with Keith Stone weird. Joshs description makes it clear Devlin learned his behavior from daddy

L_S87

2024-08-05 09:36:47 +0000 UTC

I'm not sure I agree that Kimmy was always the driving force in the story however. Yes, it is eventually revealed that Kimmy was in fact the instigator at Tiffany's party but there have been a plethora of instances where the build up of Kimmy and Devlin s relationship was advanced by Devlin. For example, Devlin was the one to push for Kimmy to work for him in the first place. It was Devlin that invited Kimmy to Cayman, Devlin that moved in to an apartment close to work so that Kimmy could be involved with him more on a day to day basis, Devlin that would interject himself uninvited into scenes with Kimmy and Josh... the list goes on. Perhaps Kimmy contributed more heavily towards the cuckolding of Josh in certain aspects, but I maintain that Devlin is at least as much (if not more) of the driving force for the events that have unfolded thus far.

Zach

2024-08-05 06:27:35 +0000 UTC

I think that you're probably right about Kimmy being the true 'devil' in this story, despite the buildup in the first 9 books flaunting Devlin as the driving force behind the cuckolding of Josh. I just can't help but be disappointed that she doesn't utilize Devlin for her nefarious tactics since she mastered the art of psychologically torturing Josh with his high school bully in the first segment of the series. That being said, I hope that Kimmy can work the same magic she has in this final book using whatever means she has to her. Selfishly, I pray this doesn't involve Hyun or the newly integrated Keith as I personally don't see them as being able to fulfill the same erotic role that Devlin did.

Zach

2024-08-05 05:30:02 +0000 UTC

She also told him in the last chapter of Book 14 (I’m surprised no one has mentioned this) that she was leaving the apartment not him. None of this makes any sense. There’s too much missing to make this a believable ending for me. Whether if it’s what I want or not is irrelevant. The ending needs to be believable.

Kat

2024-08-05 05:10:54 +0000 UTC

I can’t fault the feeling here, but I think the point of Devlin’s unceremonious banishment and Kimmy’s rejection at the threesome is to underscore that he is and always was a chump, and the driving force behind everything, the “devil in the waters” so to speak, was always Kimmy.

Glaucon

2024-08-05 03:45:04 +0000 UTC

I just cant square the fact that her whole point of splitting from Josh was not to hurt him and to be worthy of his love. Josh calls over the year and she's radio silent to him. Has his daughter doesn't let him see her even though she knows it's his. And then buys a house with half his money. Josh's life is in a tailspin. Kimmy doesn't check up on him. And then is secretly fucking Keith and asks Josh live in the carriage house. Remember she said she wanted to earn his love but all this stuff tells me she was lying (Need to see her POV) . But making Josh into a sudden willing cuckold of Devlin's father would take me out of the story completely.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-05 03:13:47 +0000 UTC

So I disagree strongly about one thing. What got Josh into the lake was not so much Kimmy and her lies it was his self loathing and inability to accept that he got sexual excitement from being humiliated by his wife and Devlin. I agree with 3 and 4 of JL above. Kimmy won’t push josh back into the game. But what does she do if he starts it up again. We see in this first meeting he is still obsessed with the idea. A normal reaction to “I’m cheating on you with your high school bully” is -“I want a divorce you cheating bitch” - not, “thats horrifying but can I watch?” He begged for Kimmy to do terrible things, fantasized about it, and even later wanted her to physically abuse him. I think his fear, his greatest fear, was people finding out that he liked it. He despised himself for liking it. People that despise themselves try to kill themselves perhaps by drugs perhaps by jumping in a freezing lake. Remember that he was triggered, in the beginning, by it being Devlin, I think there is something about him hating the guy having been humiliated by him as a kid, that was key to revealing his fetish for humiliation. This was never a sort of “adults deciding to play at S&M in a safe and consensual” way type of story. Kimmy loves Josh deeply but she has accepted her sexual needs and he has not accepted his. Anyway, i find myself in the opposite camp of JL on the ending, as I think what most are suggesting here is dead boring and disappointing. If the story is going to stay erotic at all (and I admit that for me it hasn’t been erotic for a disappointingly long while) there’s going to have to be something happening sexually. If that is merely - let’s have makeup sex and forget all that fetish stuff we are both obsessed with - its going to be boring as well and there is little need for an epilogue.

CSH

2024-08-05 03:08:26 +0000 UTC

I think the extra book helped make the series less erotic. Such as Josh falling in the lake and the aborted threesome of Devlin, Amy, and Kimmy. It started becoming a domestic drama. The last erotic scene was the hotel room when Josh threw the chair. The story pushed it to the point where I don't think Josh needs Kimmy in his life anymore especially if the Stones are involved. It wouldn't make sense. Now if Kimmy had been fucking a new young Stone office employee I don't think Josh would have minded. But we will see.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-05 02:56:11 +0000 UTC

Yes JL. It would feel forced and something Josh has been fighting against since the panties were found. Having him give in and say well I can do this now would be kinda lazy.

Chris K

2024-08-05 02:52:08 +0000 UTC

I agree. But it also seems weird for Kimmy to walk out of that threesome with Devlin and Amy. Burn that supposed proverbial bridge but then stay at Stone and start fucking daddy. Why? It's like Kimmy didn't really change. It was all a fake out. At this point she might as well went ahead with the threesome. And kept fucking Devlin. Also what was the point of the tape of Devlin being reamed by the dildo. I thought it would be leverage for Kimmy not to go to jail. But if Keith Stone saw Kimmy doing that to Devlin on tape would he really want to fuck Kimmy. After she did that to his son. Really? Maybe there's more to drop. I don't know.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-05 02:49:08 +0000 UTC

Yeah, LS, I’m spit balling so many ideas out there. I still land on the overall idea that Kimmy being with the father is something that she never intended but just happened recently, and the apartment was being planned before all that and for different reasons than the new reality. That is also probably the most generous interpretation I can give Kimmy for these events. A Kimmy who had this house for Josh planned cause of Keith would mean she’s committed to moving on with him, that the relationship is serious. Beyond anything else, it would mean she’s no longer a character intertwined with Josh beyond Colleen. I think there still needs to be the line in the water for a reconciliation, otherwise why is Kimmy still in the story, the only story left is whether Josh moves on. I suppose you could get to a reconciliation even where the Kimmy/Keith relationship is serious, but that doesn’t seem likely to me. The other explanation that also works is there are other reasons why she’s involved with Keith, and she can’t share them yet. And she’s still pushing Josh away from knowing. She wants him there cause she wants him to know Colleen, but she needs a story as to why she’s doesn’t want him back yet. Maybe she’s lying about the sex. There is nothing I’ve seen to hang my hat on the thought she’s lying about that though, so the “ulterior motives” thing is just feeling more and more unlikely if she’s actually sleeping with the father. We don’t have a motive as to why she’d be seeking revenge on Keith, that she’d be willing to go that far. And I don’t find it a realistic idea that sex is part of the price Kimmy has to pay to get out of trouble. Maybe we get something from her POV where it will make sense, right now it doesn’t to me. I feel like even with the little we’ve seen from her, if she was being forced to stoop to that kind of extreme, we’d have picked up on it. She’s sad, but being forced into something like that would be soul crushing. Even Kimmy couldn’t conceal that level of despair.

JL23

2024-08-05 02:39:18 +0000 UTC

This might be a controversial opinion, but I think this series would have been absolute perfection if 'Stone Sr.' had been replaced with 'Devlin' thus far in book 15. It seems like we've been establishing Devlin as a character for so long that it would be criminal to cast him aside in thus final book. I think I might be a little heartbroken if Devlin fails to integrate himself into Josh and Kimmy’s relationship at some point in this epilogue.

Zach

2024-08-05 02:36:36 +0000 UTC

I’m a bit surprised that so much of this has become a “Josh should man up and not allow himself to be cuckolded ever again” commentary. It’s becoming a version of literotica, albeit on a more sophisticated and nuanced level. Apparently unlike many, I actually prefer a bit of cuckolding in my cuckold stories. And yes, this was always a cuckold story and Josh gets off on being cucked. He hates that he gets off on it, but he does. I do like the suggestion that it was a failed cuckold story, since yeah, as was pointed out, he cant really handle the reality. I admit, I became disenchanted with the story at some point, for me it eventually stopped being erotic and became just depressing. I think that was around the time it became clear that Josh was never going to accept his fate and was going to literally drive himself crazy instead and we got all the melodrama of his breakdown. The sex scenes in the later books were also few and far between as we went down that path. We ended up with two miserable people being miserable. Okay, realistic, but not fun. I always wanted it to go more in the direction of Josh accepting who he was and what he needed, but that never really happened. Kimmy came into her own and accepted her new sexuality but Josh did not. In an epilogue at least I would hope he can either move on or accept his desires. Sort of like in the Maggie books where Max still loves and needs Maggie but has adjusted and accepted who he is. I’m not that interested in a legal drama where he divorces her or a crime drama where he kills her, I prefer the erotic drama where they both come to terms with her cucking and humiliating him. Thats the sexuality these two have developed between themselves, like it or not. The other path doesn't really need an epilogue, it’s just him telling her to fuck off then leaving. As realistic that might be there is nothing erotic or fun in it.

CSH

2024-08-05 02:32:31 +0000 UTC

Clueless! Way off the mark!

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-05 02:21:48 +0000 UTC

I think it was never the cuckolding that got him to point he may have jumped in the lake. It was 1) the lies, 2) who she was doing it with, and 3) the embarrassment and shame he felt at the idea people would know and judge him. The honesty could be there, if they wanted it to be. On #2, yeah it being Devlin’s father seems insurmountable. I would just say we don’t really know Keith Stone at all. He made one appearance where I don’t even believe he spoke, and Josh remember his parents calling him an asshole. The reality to who he is may be different. #3 is the one I have a hard time reconciling. Even if you were honest and open, and even if Keith Stone turned out to be a different kind of bull compared to his son, I don’t know how you reconcile Josh’s own self loathing and embarrassment at being a cuckold. I guess I’d add #4, which also seems insurmountable. Kimmy thinks he jumped into a lake cause of what she did, and I don’t see her as manipulative enough to try and push Josh back into it. But a lot of cuckolds both love and loathe it. I don’t know…I’m not saying it’s likely or even something I’d want. But at least for me, there’s probably a way it could be reconciled and I’d accept it as ending that speaks to where the characters were going all along. If he’s there, and he starts seeing, or envisioning what Kimmy is doing with Keith, does he just feel anger, or do those other thoughts start to take over? Again, this to me is more the classic cuckold ending where the husband just can’t give it up. It would just be different for KT, and again, it would personally not be satisfying for my own investment in Josh as a character.

JL23

2024-08-05 02:14:53 +0000 UTC

Lol Chris, a house pet. 😂

Kat

2024-08-05 02:13:43 +0000 UTC

LS, would you agree to some extent that Kimmy knew well and good their marriage was over when she bought that house? She took their money without asking Josh, bought a house she knew damn well she didn't want him staying it. So, as an "afterthought" she built an addition to the house for Josh to stay in, albeit staying out of her life. He doesn't necessarily need this nonsense, he could just hold on for a few months and find his own place. He has new determination for that now. But, it would take a measure of control away from Kimmy.

Chris K

2024-08-05 02:01:59 +0000 UTC

Eh, gotta disagree with some of you here. Sorry. Someone that "loves" this idea doesn't pitch themselves into a lake to get away from it and almost die. I'm not saying he doesn't feel twisted lust at the idea, but ultimately its clearly not for him. If it was, you could erase the last 3 books and just have him accept Devlin. Edit: I do agree with Andrew, because I've said the same thing multiple times as well, and even posted in this chapter about it. If Kimmy and Josh reconciled, no Keith Stone in the picture, and they happily raised Colleen for a couple years, rekindling Josh's trust in Kimmy, i could see them exploring some fun with someone not named Stone. This scenario though? Nope. Invalidates too much canon in the series to actually work or make sense.

L_S87

2024-08-05 02:01:24 +0000 UTC

Well I always said that Josh wouldn't care if Kimmy fucked anyone just not a Stone. He hated Devlin and now that it's Keith the father. That's just as bad. I think it's gross Kimmy fucked father and son. And Josh hates that family. I think he has weapons to go after Kimmy and the Stone family and bring them down. He has to just be willing to do it and not such a simp. Kimmy doesn't give a shit about him. I always liked when Karina called her out.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-05 01:48:54 +0000 UTC

I don't know, JL. The way Kimmy acted at the end of the last book, acknowledging Josh almost killed himself and her role in it... it seems odd she would pull a 180 to acceptance of wanting that scenario of being with a powerful man at Josh's expense. Then again, maybe that's where her offering this place to stay while "moving on" with Keith potential storyline comes in. She's trying to find the best way, shitty as this is, to not do it at his expense, by offering a way to have Colleen while retaining freedom to come and go as he pleases outside of the main house. It's an awful plan, but her actions maybe show she knows that and just needs Josh to accept it because its all she's got to give at this point. To me, Josh has made it clear the "powerful man" scenario doesn't work for him. If he was going to be okay with Keith Stone, he'd have been okay with Devlin. He wasn't, so he won't be okay with this either. Hopefully the next chapter finally gives us a full Kimmy POV with an explanation of where her head is at for sleeping with Stone while offering this shitty deal to Josh and insisting he has to take it.

L_S87

2024-08-05 01:41:18 +0000 UTC

Yes. Josh is a classic simp. He could easily take down the Stone's by giving them bad publicity. He could easily tell Kimmy's father and sister. He could easily tell Kimmy to quit and raise her daughter or he will file for full custody. He could easily tell Kimmy to pay back his half of the money, they didn't agree to a house as they are separated. And to sell the damn thing. He has so many tools to fight back. But he has this self pitting mentality where he thinks the walls are closing in. Man up.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-05 01:36:43 +0000 UTC

Well she is not lying to him now, is she? I think JL hit on something close to what I was getting at. She may have fertilized the idea in Josh’s head of being cuckolded but he loves it. The seed was always there. He just cant come to terms with it.

CSH

2024-08-05 01:30:49 +0000 UTC

Too many to count. Her whole reason for separating from him was not to hurt him. Well she did it again.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-05 01:29:51 +0000 UTC

Maybe this is a cuckold failure story. She got him into the fantasy, but he found out it was a reality all along without his consent. He's been rejecting it all along, not just because of Devlin but the lies, and deceit as well. Worrying about all that should be last on his mind now anyway. He's a dad, with a non existent marriage.

Chris K

2024-08-05 01:21:31 +0000 UTC

How many knifes has this women jabbed in his back and twisted?

Tim ziegler

2024-08-05 01:14:09 +0000 UTC

So, like divorce her and take half her money? Or expose publicly with evidence of her infidelity to the publisher of the article, drawing unwanted attention to Stone Brokerage? There is plenty he can do. Kimmy ain't that tough. Josh is just a pussy.

Chris K

2024-08-05 01:09:22 +0000 UTC

JL, I could see that if they fully reconciled first, were in good standing for a few years... then explored. Together. But he clearly has issues with Keith Stone as well. And he's too close to being like Devlin for there not to be the same issues with the same responses from Josh. For me, that scenario is implausible and would again, feel like its devaluing and invalidating the last 2 or 3 books. Mostly because it's Devlin's dad and there are so many unresolved issues between Kimmy and Josh for this to work. It only works as part of an HEA where Josh is happy and content. That doesn't happen with Stone and the current issues. It really only happens, from my pov, if its forced into place without logic or reason simply because it's a salacious ending to a "cuckold" story.

L_S87

2024-08-05 01:05:23 +0000 UTC

Great comments section, all. I feel for every POV. Here are my two cents: We may be missing an essential element of how Kimmy sees Josh. Kimmy is tough, she has picked herself up off the floor more than once – rejected by her mother, looked upon as the odd duck by her sisters and father, considered the nerd and geek by the cool kids she so wanted to like her. None of that worked out the way she wanted, so she realized she had to change, build up a thicker hide, not be ashamed to go for what she wanted. For tough chicks with smarts like Kimmy, there is always a way out of trouble. But the way out may come with a lot of strings that damage others. That's tough, life must go on. The tough people understand that there are soft people (Josh). Otherwise, how would they ever work their selfish designs to get what they want. At the same time, they do not really understand how the soft people cannot see how their nature leaves them vulnerable to the tough ones, and if they see it, why the hell can’t they do something about it! Kimmy is telling Josh, “Yes, you have a shitty deal here, but it’s one that will put a roof over your head and keep you out of the funny farm. Time for you to toughen up and adjust to the realities of this world. There is only so much I can do for you. Yep, it’s a shit sandwich, and if you don’t want to keep being forced to eat more of them, then you have to DO something, YOURSELF.”

Donkatsu

2024-08-05 01:00:21 +0000 UTC

Yeah L_S that post was a giant, blinking, neon “warning” sign aimed at people like us who won’t probably like how she’s decided to end this. Or I’m just self absorbed and she just meant that generally…there are people here who want that darker, permanently cuckolded angle. And that’s more common to this genre of story. Even if I don’t like the way a story ends, I do believe in the author ending it as they see fit, and not to appease a reader like me. If KT believes in an ending, whether I like it or not doesn’t matter. And I’m sure she’ll give us the time to comment, and the courtesy to answer our questions and clarify why she chose the ending she did. Someone else commented before this wasn’t the story they picked, almost 5 years ago when KT asked us to vote. I can’t remember what I voted for now, but I’m in the same boat. I wish Patreon had a better way to search so I could find that post from 2019. But with Covid and everything else that’s occurred in the world since Book 1, Chapter 1, I’ve ended up becoming absurdly invested in this ending. And this is the first one of these I’ve read from chapter to chapter, which only ramps it higher. I always start more just enjoying it as a reader, and enjoying the cuckold scenes. There’s a reason I start reading these, I fully admit, and most cuckold stories don’t give me a level of investment in the husband, so I can enjoy those for what they are, at arm’s length, and mostly leave the husband as a cypher I don’t invest in. KT’s strength is she makes you care about the husband. Most others don’t, and those that try never quite stick the landing. In the end, they’re most invested in leaving the husband obsessed with simply being a cuckold forever, which again, leaves me back to not caring about them after a time. There was a guy on Lit for a time, now selling his books under “Pete Andrews,” that was close to this for me. He made me care about his main husband character, Mike. But it felt like he couldn’t really advance that character beyond his all consuming desire to have his wife cuck him to greater extremes, so I finally just lost interest. All of his character traits that made me invest in him just became swallowed by that one singular desire. It’s fine if that’s what the character wants, but it doesn’t leave me particularly interested in them anymore. With KT, she writes those more complex husbands, and she gives them a level of personal growth, beyond the cucking. It’s a blessing and maybe a curse. Maybe the natural ending for husbands in these stories is to just be a cuckold, perpetually outdone by their wives and the bulls, but dammit, KT ends up making me want more for them. And makes me believe they want more. Ever since Josh whipped the chair at Devlin, that’s where I’ve been. Maybe it was heightened by being sick with Covid when those chapters were happening, but I invested myself in Josh being happy in a way I was with Max, and Geoff, and a way I was trying so hard to avoid here. KT got me again 🥹 If I invested all this time, and Josh’s ending is living above his ex-wife’s garage, just being a cuck to Kimmy and Keith, it would be disappointing, and feel out of character to what Josh has shown he wants over the course of the story. That would feel too much like those other stories to me. Similarly if he’s just going to pine for her above the garage and not try and move onto something new while she gets serious with Keith. Even if the ending is more bitter than sweet, it’s always felt like KT has more of an ending planned for her husbands than either the above. So I’ll keep hope that is still the case here, even if it’s not him with Kimmy.

JL23

2024-08-05 00:59:06 +0000 UTC

Yeah that's what I am thinking she's just a subservient slave who got roped into raising Colleen while Kimmy is jetting to other countries with her new Stone work fuckbuddy. Seriously Josh should try filing for full custody of his daughter based on that alone.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-05 00:53:49 +0000 UTC

Maybe that was the thousand yard stare. She's wondering if Josh got roped into being a house pet also!

Chris K

2024-08-05 00:46:17 +0000 UTC

Yes! That's why I suggested the year in a half in the life of Kimmy book. Give all the details specifically from kimmys pov about all we can't and won't see here. Like a stand alone thing!!

Chris K

2024-08-05 00:44:25 +0000 UTC

A happy ending is Josh getting full custody of his daughter without Kimmy in sight. Josh should demand Kimmy quit her job (she's going on long trips) and if she isn't then Josh should file for full custody. Hyun as we know is practically raising Colleen while Kimmy is going on these sex trips with Keith. And like I said he should demand she sell the fucking house. He practically paid for half of it. And I wouldn't want to live in a home that half way paid for by Stone money!

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-05 00:44:05 +0000 UTC

Yeah, JL. It simply felt like we were reading Max from the previous books, Not Max over 5 years later, engaged to Keely, having clearly moved on, based on the events in the Keely books. I'm hoping that isnt what happens here. And I only bring it up because her warning in a previous chapter that your referenced in another post makes me feel like we're lining up for a scenario that she wants for her characters, but realizes a number of us may think is awful, and she's just hoping she can explain it in a way that we agree makes sense. My worry is that when I see an author making those kinds of statements, it usually means, from my POV, poor decisions were made and I'm going to dislike it. (I've stopped reading a couple of series where similar things happened with authors I still enjoy, i just jettisoned that particular series because I no longer like it after seeing where things were going)

L_S87

2024-08-05 00:18:27 +0000 UTC

Yeah, at this point, I’ve given up on the idea Josh is needed to ride in to save the day. Last night, I had this cockamamie thought that maybe Devlin would come back for revenge and that’s how Josh “proves” himself lol. I just don’t think we’re getting that anymore. This just appears to be a story of decisions and their consequences, and how you move forward. I’d still like a satisfying answer as to how she got out of trouble, that part still seems unrealistic. Josh may be “woe is me” but I don’t think he’s all wrong…it’s not fair that Kimmy (seemingly) has everything after it was essentially her that blew up both their lives 18 months ago. I’m still invested in Josh getting some happy ending, and I don’t think the ending will be dark here where he’s still as broken as he is now. Whether it’s 8 chapters, 12, or 27, I think Josh will get closure and some version of a happy ending I’ll be able to accept. But I’d say KT probably specializes in “bittersweet” endings in these epic stories. I’d argue none of them are unambiguously happy. There are good moments but not everything happens as they, or we, might have wanted. Geoff/Nia was maybe the closest, but then I remember KT commented once the original ending was going to be they reconciled only because Rocco was killed in a plane crash.

JL23

2024-08-05 00:08:03 +0000 UTC

"Heather: It's just like Hamlet said, "To thine own self be true." Cher: Hamlet didn't say that. Heather: I think I remember Hamlet accurately. Cher: Well, I remember Mel Gibson accurately, and he didn't say that. That Polonius guy did."

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-05 00:02:12 +0000 UTC

I love to read a chapter of Kimmy with Keith though. Wouldn’t you all?

Tracey52

2024-08-04 23:59:14 +0000 UTC

I like your idea, JL, about her intentions being different at the start, but now here she is, having made decisions and plans for her life, without Josh, and yet the apartment is still there, and she owes him and knows it. Okay, I don't like this idea, kind of hate it, for Josh, BUT, it does make a modicum of sense. More so than most anything else I've come up with. She built it with the intent for Josh to have a place, for Colleen, and for herself to have Josh back in her life. But 6 months later, things are different, because that's what time does, and now she's having to make a sales pitch that's a lot harder, which is why she's a bit tearful about this. Kimmy can be awful at times, but she's never oblivious, so she knows what she's asking is huge. She wants Colleen to have Josh, and she's basically asking Josh to sacrifice his happiness for theirs. Which is why you're, right, JL, about her being so meek when discussing Keith. She gets it. But she's not above begging Josh and telling him he has to, followed with please, because apparently she needs him to accept this rather badly. Whether its for Colleen, because she's away a lot, or so she can feel better about herself for having not followed through with her promises of earning him back and instead offering him this pretty damn horrendous consolation prize that isnt, hoping it won't all go tits up. Probably both? This at least provides a potential outlet for Josh to see Colleen and maybe, if he can stay by himself and avoid Kimmy, a solid relationship with someone else. Although I feel like that last bit doesn't have enough time to explore. IF this is the route things go. Its part if my disgruntlement here, honestly, and why I'm a bit put off with KT. Josh spent 14 books in purgatory. He EARNED the right to an HEA. One that doesn't involve Keith Stone or anyone else mucking it up. So if the plan is for Kimmy to move on, thinking that's best for Josh, then we need a solid half a book of him moving on so he can be happy with someone who treasures him, trusts him and makes him part of the decision making process. Because again, Josh earned that. The only other way I see this ending okay is if Josh agrees to move in, Kimmy leaves ane Hyun spills the beans about Kimmy not being with Stone of her own free will, and Josh puts on his superman cape and rescues her. That would still leave the Kimmy and Hyun mess to explain and fix, but it would at least have a logical and reasonable way for them to be back together. I don't know how any of that would come about, and it feels far fetched without any details filling it in, but I like it a lot better than the alternatives. Which means it probably won't happen.

L_S87

2024-08-04 23:57:17 +0000 UTC

That’s where the whole “life choices and their consequences” may come in. I’d have a hard time accepting she’s been fucking Stone for months, or had this entire apartment planned out as what it appears now, a “bribe” to Josh as others described, his consolation for the marriage ending and her taking the money to buy the house. Maybe it’s just as simple as, the father saved her, for whatever reason. She understood the reality that Josh might not be able to accept that, and didn’t know how to explain it to him in a way they could reconcile. So she had this plan to build the new place as a peace offering where he could be with Colleen while they figured their own mess out. Maybe they’d spend time and work their way back together through their daughter. But after months of zero signs Josh was ready to take a step toward Colleen, and getting to know the father, something more developed there and it’s intriguing to pursue…only now Josh is back. Which makes the reconciliation she originally wanted even harder, or something she’s now questioning she really wants. Awful timing for these two, as always.

JL23

2024-08-04 23:48:53 +0000 UTC

What’s Hyun play in all this? She’s just a nanny to Colleen while Kimmy is fucking Keith? Doesn’t make sense. The old Hyun wouldn’t sit idly by while Kimmy fucked another dude. Remember she didn’t like Devlin. Got to read more.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 23:48:11 +0000 UTC

"Kimmy will never be slave to anyone but the one she freely gives herself to, if or when she pleases." Boy, did I get that wrong.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-04 23:46:56 +0000 UTC

I want Josh to say no to Kimmys terms. And to tell her to sell the fucking house. I would demand my half of the money back that she took. I am tired of Josh being nice with her when she treats him like shit 💩

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 23:42:51 +0000 UTC

I agree, she’s responding to his “woe is me” by showing him the apartment, and that he hasn’t been forgotten. They were already walking toward the apartment when he said that, so I think her plan was already to take him there, not just on a walk outside where he could yell at her (and everyone could hear them). As I said earlier…somewhere (the fact that almost 200 comments have been generated on this chapter in 7 hours is a testament to how KT has affected us with this one)…it’s possible her original intent with the apartment was to give Josh a way to be near Colleen at all times, while they worked on their own relationship. But circumstances, time and recent developments have put an entire different spin on it, one she never intended or wanted originally. I’d also agree the meekness (not a word you’d use to describe her often) in which she’s telling him about Stone tells me there probably isn’t “more” there, and that she realizes this apartment is now a tough thing for Josh to accept. If she’s dating Stone, it’s cause she wants to, not because he’s forcing her in some way. And if she’s now sleeping with him, it’s cause she wants to as well. We need to know why but I’m as convinced that there isn’t something else significant, or darker, going on with her job and this thing with Stone as I’ve ever been. But hey, maybe that’s the proof there is something more to it…keep hope alive. I still wonder why if Stone “saved” her, why wasn’t her first instinct to tell Josh that? Why did she stay radio silent and seemingly concoct a plan to provide Josh with a “consolation” prize. It doesn’t seem like a decision Kimmy would make, even the Kimmy from the middle chapters. On that, I feel like there is “more,” I just don’t now think it’s related to intrigue with Stone, or some kind of plan she has cooked up. I think it’s likely just the usual, yet still tragic, “ordinary life choices” and their consequences that have led us here. But based on the evidence we have, it appears this was always her intent tonight. To have Josh see Colleen and accept her, and then to have a really tough talk where she acknowledges she’s in a relationship with Stone, but show him the apartment as proof she hasn’t (and won’t) forget about him. And give him the ability to be with his daughter regularly and bond with her, even if the pain of knowing she’s with another guy is something he has to get past. But until we hear from her, we don’t know. KT said there would be maybe 12 more chapters (subject to the usual revisions) after Chapter 2. That would indicate the plan is 8 more. We’ve had 6 chapters where 95% of it is Josh’s POV. We need to hear from Kimmy for balance and to really know what the heck is going on. If it’s as simple as she is trying to move on personally with Stone, then honestly 8 more chapters is all I could probably take. This is a cuckold story, but I’d also rather not read a storyline where being at the house leads Josh toward agreeing to be cucked by Kimmy and the father. I’d be ready to move onto finishing Reza or Keely, or even another story out there, as quickly as 8 or so chapters if that’s where we’re headed.

JL23

2024-08-04 23:09:52 +0000 UTC

He’s too much of a simp. And she keeps breaking his heart. Pathetic.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 23:04:47 +0000 UTC

JL, my problem with that 2nd scenario is that it invalidates the last few books. Josh loves that fantasy... as a fantasy. I could see him playing bedroom games with Kimmy in a future where she isn't with Stone, but they talk about it in bed. IF she had stopped dating him and it was clear she never would sleep with him again. The issue is that the instant, the instant it was real, Josh pushed back, HARD. Hell, when the though she let Devlin just see her breasts, no touching, no sex, and that she did it for him, he immediately threw up because of how awful it felt and didn't like it. So, yes, he likes the bedroom game of fantasy talk with Kimmy. Between them. He doesn't like or want the reality of Kimmy having sex with others. His reactions here even show that, with how angry he gets about Kimmy wanting to "force" Stone into Josh's life by having him stay at the carriage house and see her potentially going on dates or seeing more photos. And this doesn't even cover him falling in the lake running away from this. So I could see Kimmy wanting an Option 2. Old Kimmy would love it, so its a possible angle, but I could never see Josh agreeing to it. Which is why I'm so twisted up, because it kinda feels like that's the scenario potentially being forced here, what with Josh's sudden financial woes "requiring" him to take this offering. I would hate to see 2 or 3 books worth of Josh's character development becoming wholesale invalidated for an ending like this. Which is why I hope KT has a rabbit to pull out of her hat.

L_S87

2024-08-04 23:01:46 +0000 UTC

I definitely want the next chapter. I hope it’s a Kimmy POV and to see how she got at this place.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 23:01:44 +0000 UTC

I took the “woe is me” jab as her being playful with him, just like how she laughed at the 14,000 picture. It’s from Josh’s point of view, so everything is going to sound snarky and rude. I’m still shocked about Stone Sr. In the other chapters, especially the Colleen one, it seemed like Kimmy was still loving Josh, the way she touched him,, the way she cried, etc. There’s still something there, but maybe it’s just not enough.

Kat

2024-08-04 22:53:28 +0000 UTC

That’s what’s happening.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 22:51:30 +0000 UTC

Maybe Josh's mother wants to know that....

Chris K

2024-08-04 22:49:53 +0000 UTC

The Colleen chapter was beautifully written. I loved it when Josh had the realization that Colleen was his, his mother’s eyes, fair hair. 🥲

Kat

2024-08-04 22:48:24 +0000 UTC

I feel like this is a different character altogether. Remember Josh almost died and she was broken up about it. Why have another affair with the father of the man you had the affair with even if it’s a way to keep out of jail. Also what happened to the tape of Devlin getting reamed? That wouldn’t appreciate her to the father to seeing his son like that. Doesn’t make any sense!

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 22:41:30 +0000 UTC

I will point out, that Josh asked her to tell him he's wrong, and she immediately went to the carriage house, as if that was proof he was wrong, thet she didn't forget about him, that he's not an after thought. It doesn't mesh well with all the other awful shit she's doing with Stone, comes across like a bribe almost, but her meaning was clear. I kinda wonder if she hadn't intended to show him it at this moment, she truly did want him to unload, vent out all the harsh hate he has for her and her continued breaking of his heart with her decisions, then show him that he does have something, even if its a mere pittance to what he did have, and comes with pretty awful strings attached in the form of emotional carnage on a daily basis.

L_S87

2024-08-04 22:41:08 +0000 UTC

Have faith. KT has us by the balls and is squeezing. Just Iike she wants. KT must be rolling in ecstasy with the reaction she is getting over these last few chapters. And just like Josh we love it and hate it at the same time. I’m at the point that I just want resolution. I can’t see how Josh and Kimmy get back together in a loving husband and wife relationship. Kimmy told us it can’t go back and Josh is realising this. She has emasculated him. He could never have sex with her without the humiliation or unless it was a hate fuck, so that kills it right there. Kimmy could end up with everything she thought she deserved but nothing as she won’t have Josh, although he will always love her. I get a lot of self loathing from Kimmy. I don’t think she is in any better place than Josh mentally and may feel all she is good for is to be a rich man’s mistress. I just want resolution and answers. I still don’t know enough about what really happened at the party. I’m confident we’ll find out what happened over the last year though it will be drawn out. There’s no time for much more.

Tracey52

2024-08-04 22:36:37 +0000 UTC

Yeah, that came across to me too, JL. It was a bit oddly discordant from her other comments and the way she was acting. The woe is me jab aside, her wanting him to yell at her could be an acknowledgment that she's continued to do him wrong, even after promising to win him back by making herself better. Shes saying he has a right to be angry, she's not refuting it and wants him to unburden his pain away from Hyun and Colleen. Unfortunately, her woe is me comment kinds mucks that up and does make the other come across as a bit flippant, like she acknowledges his anger but feels it's misplaced, yet he can vent if he must. For me, I feel like it's more of the former. She knows she's still fucking up, and this is a way to let Josh have a win, to vent on her and how awful she is, while phrasing it in such a way that she knows he likely will give her an easy out because he's better than that.

L_S87

2024-08-04 22:34:44 +0000 UTC

Except Keith is a Stone and “an asshole”. He’s fucking Devlin Stone’s father. No I hope Josh tells Kimmy it’s over and that we are selling the house and I want my share of the money back. And then get his job back, rent an apartment, and try to get custody of Colleen. He doesn’t need her shit anymore.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 22:32:39 +0000 UTC

One other Kimmy behavior I’d point out, and I didn’t like, was the way she told Josh to yell at her. She did that when she’s leaving at the end of book 14, and it comes off as condescending and dismissive. “Oh, here’s Josh again, blaming me for everything, go ahead and do what you must to make yourself feel better. Yawn.” Same with the “woe is me” jab. I’d hope she’d have more realization of why Josh might feel as he does given everything he currently sees happening. But again, both times we see it from Josh’s POV, so it’s colored by how he’s perceiving it. Entirely possible she didn’t mean it that way.

JL23

2024-08-04 22:15:23 +0000 UTC

Did she at least have the pillow cases embroidered with a fancy "AA"?

Chris K

2024-08-04 22:15:07 +0000 UTC

I think that's exactly what happened. She seems too timid here for someone who's been developing this apartment specifically for Josh. Now it's time to unveil she's nervous? I'm sure it was all fun talk with Sr. until she's looking Josh in the eye. Or not in the eye? Maybe she's trying not to let out a giggle.

Chris K

2024-08-04 22:12:32 +0000 UTC

I see clearly now... will just read and see how you resolve it... How you have your fun. Beautifully written... as ever! The Devil with the details... is the devil in the Waters. I know you'll take the time you need.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-04 22:06:51 +0000 UTC

Notice Kimmy didn't say she wanted him in her life, she just wanted him to be in Colleen's life. Remember when Devlin talked of Josh being a stay at home dad while Kimmy does as she pleases. We know that Jr and Sr are cut from the same cloth. What if Sr has taken up the cause turning Josh into that.

Wayne

2024-08-04 22:06:46 +0000 UTC

Yes after that Colleen chapter I thought for sure that we were going to have a happy ending. With the man in the photo being a friend at work. Boy was I wrong. Now it’s just depressing all over again.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 22:05:02 +0000 UTC

Yeah, it could be that her response is that she djd that once or twice, but it was months ago and it's never happening again because its not what she wants. My challenge, again, is that her non verbal response and body language is so guilty and defensive that it comes across that this isn't a probable explanation. She's acting like this is an ongoing thing and she knows that she's asking the impossible of Josh because she's putting him back in the same position as he was before. Something he will obviously say no to. So it will be interesting to see what her explanation actually is. If any. Maybe she doesn't make an excuse. She just lets Josh suffer and come to his own conclusions, hoping he still says yes anyway. Hopefully KT doesn't make us wait too long!

L_S87

2024-08-04 22:04:58 +0000 UTC

It works from a masochistic standpoint, but it invalidates the last 3 books, so its a tough sell from that standpoint. I'm not much for having endings that are salacious for the sake of being such while retconning or ignoring prior character development because its inconvenient. We'll see where Josh lands in the next few chapters.

L_S87

2024-08-04 21:56:09 +0000 UTC

I’m hoping for a glimmer of something, but I don’t think it’s coming.

Kat

2024-08-04 21:54:58 +0000 UTC

Thank you, Andrew. I appreciate it. This year has been blech 🤢, so bad, so I’m already in a sad state. 😂 I was starting to figure that Kimmy and Josh wouldn’t be having a traditional HEA, but this…this is awful. Does Kimmy’s family know what she’s up to? Josh should tell them all why he wasn’t with his daughter all year, too. I thought KT was faking us out in the other chapter, but I don’t anymore.

Kat

2024-08-04 21:54:17 +0000 UTC

I agree L_S, Max in Tahiti felt off to me, especially considering he was engaged at that point. But I guess I’d like to think that was at least a part of why she decided to write Keely, to perhaps correct some of that. But I’m being really presumptuous with that. I guess you could read Max being “off” in the epilogue because he’s going through 2 really monumental moments that confirm Maggie moved on. Her marriage to another guy and learning she was pregnant. Even if you’ve come to peace with what happened, and even moved on and found happiness elsewhere, events like that can naturally lead to some of the wistful behavior he exhibits.

JL23

2024-08-04 21:54:01 +0000 UTC

Watching Kimmy with other men? That happened once and almost vomited and threw a chair at the guy. Hyun has been told just as many lies as Josh.

Chris K

2024-08-04 21:52:49 +0000 UTC

You are right Tracey, she describes it in a way you can interpret it as relatively new. And not something yet serious. She tells Josh that he’s never been at the house too. So it could be leading again to a scenario with Keith replaces his son as a more “benevolent” bull in the Kimmy/Josh marriage. That probably is not a happy scenario for many here, including me lol, but it’s in the range of plausible outcomes to me.

JL23

2024-08-04 21:49:42 +0000 UTC

Thank you Tracey. Those are some wise words. You’re right about how KT writes. You’re helping me from jumping off the dock. Lol I’m still weighing my options, though. 😂

Kat

2024-08-04 21:41:31 +0000 UTC

This is obviously not a spur of the moment decision by her. She had to have the apartment built out, so it’s something she’s been planning for a while. Her original idea might have been as a “peace” offering to Josh, to allow him be close to his daughter without feeling the pressure to reconcile with her. But, now it has a different, less altruistic meaning cause of her relationship developing with the father? One she may not ever intended it to have, but their usual crappy timing and poor communication has now infused it with? Could explain why she seemingly is desperate for him to agree to it. She realizes it now has a meaning she never intended it to, but she still wants him to experience being around and a part of his daughter’s life. And knows his inclination now will be to say no, when he might have said yes earlier. I gotta say, I keep going back and forth on what’s going on here. I don’t think Kimmy is getting coerced into a sexual relationship with Stone, but I’m having a hard time reconciling she’d start something with another guy so quickly, no matter how much he did to help her. Is it again, she can’t resist the allure of the “powerful” man? Even if she hates herself for it, she can’t deny she loves it too? Maybe like Josh and his very real desire to have his wife be with a “better” man, just he hasn’t come to terms with it like she might have now? KT has tied me in so many knots with this chapter. Job well done, in that respect.

JL23

2024-08-04 21:37:33 +0000 UTC

Me too, Chris. It’s just yucky all around. I’m so disappointed.

Kat

2024-08-04 21:35:04 +0000 UTC

Josh needs to get away from Kimmy period ...Get a lawyer..Find a way bring up her behavior with the Stones the stolen money from the company. Go Nuclear on Kimmy ..She is unfit to be a mother!!! She is and always has been the Devil in the Water.. She needs to be taken down for Collen and Josh sake.. she is Horrible..she wants him to stay the garage to look after Collen??? WTF ..Josh better grow a pair ..she was never worth what he paid for in his life with her..She doesn't respect him or for that matter her self...She should be around any child!!!

Mike Monroe

2024-08-04 21:23:45 +0000 UTC

Oh, wow! I find this intriguing. Before everyone blows a gasket at Kimmy the evil villainess we should consider some possibilities. One is that Stone senior was willing to let kimmy stay out of jail and run his company as long as she agreed to some private favors for him. He easily could have blackmailed her into the deal. That doesnt mean she doesnt secretly love it but could explain a lot. She could cry a lot and explain it to Josh so he is sympathetic. Gotta say though - I love her offering Josh a room over the garage! Lol, that’s some cold hearted evil feminine shit. Poisonous! And Josh is so clearly desperate to drink the poison. His mind is already spinning masochistic fantasies. Hyun knows he’s a perv who gets off watching Kimmy with other men. And he’s broke now and needs a place to stay. It’s perfect. He should definitely, 100%, stay there. He can be the caretaker, he’s always been the caretaker. Caretaker of the gate to hell, lol.

CSH

2024-08-04 21:09:42 +0000 UTC

L_S, the 2nd scenario you mentioned came to me as a plausible one too. That ultimately we head to a path where Keith replaces his son as the bull in the marriage with Kimmy and Josh. He lives a few hours away, he’s 56, he may not be interested in marriage and raising a young stepdaughter (and having more kids). But maybe he’s interested in getting to have sex with his attractive young Asian executive and also gets off on her husband being OK with it. It might not but what Kimmy is even envisioning now, but if Josh moves into the carriage house and is there, maybe it’s where it leads. And it could be developed into a plausible character flow for Josh. Cause Kimmy is not wrong, Josh gets off on his wife having a sex with a “bett er” man than him. He hates himself for it, and how it makes him feel other than in those brief moments of lust, but those moments are there and are powerful. The issue was also Kimmy doing it on her own and then trying to manipulate Josh into accepting, not going into it honestly and as partners. At first blush, this appears to be more of the same, but maybe it doesn’t have to be? Kimmy won’t be hiding anything here, or at least doesn’t have to. Maybe living close by and interacting with their daughter, they remember the things about their marriage that works. Maybe Keith doesn’t have an interest in a serious relationship with Kimmy and likes this kind of thing (and isn’t motivated to humiliate Josh anymore than Josh likes being humiliated as part of all this). Maybe, maybe, maybe…instead of perhaps, perhaps, perhaps. Here I am speculating again a few minutes after I promised I wouldn’t above. But I’m just as addicted to that as Josh may be to his desires. I get that is not the satisfying ending you want, or even I want…but I can see a way it could be fashioned as a true one for both Josh and Kimmy. Together, but exploring the cuckold lifestyle.

JL23

2024-08-04 21:08:43 +0000 UTC

How things went with her for the past year. Patience

HTO

2024-08-04 21:04:37 +0000 UTC

I’m Team Kimmy too. We still don’t know much about h

HTO

2024-08-04 21:03:40 +0000 UTC

I’m Team k

HTO

2024-08-04 21:02:27 +0000 UTC

Tracey52, even if Kimmy slept with Stone Sr. once I want Josh to not take her back. She is still hurting him and breaking his heart even though she claimed she would never do it again. She is a liar. Kimmy is not worthy of him like she tried to say she would be. I hope he demands she sell the house, divorces her and tries to get custody of Colleen.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 20:53:11 +0000 UTC

True

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 20:47:00 +0000 UTC

Manus Dare is with you (LOL!)

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 20:42:42 +0000 UTC

How many chapters are left? I hope KT can thread the needle and give us a somewhat satisfying ending. It's apparent from this chapter that there is going to be no HEA for these characters. I just want Josh to have some self-worth and not be tied down to Kimmy's bullshit.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 20:41:13 +0000 UTC

Yeah, L_S, here’s where the frustration in not seeing Kimmy’s POV sets in. There are probably 100 explanations as to what exactly her relationship with the father is and why she seems so insistent that Josh needs to stay in the garage apartment. And we don’t know which one is the actual one. How does she not seem to see how there is a flip side to where this will be an incredibly difficult and emasculating scenario for Josh to agree to? Yes he gets to be there for his daughter, but he also has to expose himself to daily reminders that his wife seems to be moving on without him. Maybe she’s thought of that, and has an answer in her own mind. I could speculate on it 100 ways and I’ll probably be wrong on all of it. So I’ll just have to wait, which kind of sucks. For me to accept this type of ending as real and genuine, I just need to see Kimmy’s mindset, what she’s gone through over the last year, and at least some clear indications that this wasn’t a decision she came to lightly. That she didn’t just wake up one day, decide to quit fighting for her marriage, and instead devised this as the plan to “make it up” to Josh. The fact that these were the renovations talked about a few chapters ago indicate this has been part of her plan for a while now, maybe since she bought the house. Seems like she was set up in this new job before giving birth, and she also mentioned living in “dread” for the last 7 months. Is that dread because she realized it was over for her and Josh, and she needed to devise something to “soften” the blow? So again, I go back to something happening about 4-5 months into their separation that has led us to where we are now. So what happened to that point, and then what happened after to make Kimmy decide she wanted Josh as her child’s father, but seemingly not her husband. If we get to see all that, and see that Kimmy struggled with this choice, I can live with her making that choice. I’m not going to obligate her to stay with Josh if she doesn’t think that’s right, but my read on her character growth would tell me that’s something that would be a decision that took a long time to realize, an incredibly difficult and awful realization to her, and not something she’d just come to casually and over time just because a rich guy helped her out of a jam. Or something like, I’m bad for Josh, I don’t deserve or am worthy of him so…I’m gonna move on in a few short months and start dating my rich, billionaire boss. I’d also add for Josh, I’d just want to see him moving on. I guess you can read his character growth as one long slow read to his own personal emotional destruction, but I’m hoping that’s not the story KT is telling with him. If it’s kind of Max adjacent, it would be sad, but I could see that being his character arc. Through a combination of factors, he can’t be with the women he loves but starts to learn how to move on. I personally don’t take the ending of Maggie as canon to where Max is 6 years later, because we are seeing a different Max in the Keely series, where he is genuinely falling in love with Keely and she’s really not just some “consolation” prize, and that he’s still more in love with Maggie than her, as the Maggie ending kind of slightly implied.

JL23

2024-08-04 20:36:13 +0000 UTC

Josh should have come prepared. He had to know Kimmy was fucking Keith from the photo. Maybe he lied about Karina to Kimmy and is still seeing her. And he is there to tell Kimmy he wants a divorce. Josh is written as too gullible sometimes. He should be prepared by now to Kimmy's lies and mind games.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 20:30:19 +0000 UTC

Maybe? If this were a story on Literotica Jim.

Chris K

2024-08-04 20:28:20 +0000 UTC

Disagree. I am Team Kimmy. Who's with me?

Jim

2024-08-04 20:24:24 +0000 UTC

You didn't tell me so. I said she was fucking daddy Stone from the start of this! Josh needs to realize it was dumb to even ask. Of course she is.

Chris K

2024-08-04 20:24:10 +0000 UTC

Unfortunately Andrew he still cares.

Tracey52

2024-08-04 20:23:55 +0000 UTC

Please reconsider ending this saga. It's wonderful and must continue. How do I start a petition? I am liking the evil Kimmy more with each chapter.

Jim

2024-08-04 20:23:06 +0000 UTC

Hate to say I told you so. Of course she was fucking Stone Sr. You guys were blind if you didn’t think that’s how the world works. Powerful men getting what they want. KT implied to us that Stone Sr wanted Kimmy that first time he looked her over. Kimmy knew too, and I’m sure she knew what the price was to stay out of jail. A sluts gotta do what a sluts gotta do. She probably thinks it’s a worthwhile deal. Now to get Josh back. Guess what, I think she will. Josh has shown us he can’t live without her. It’s a negotiation now. For me the interest will be whether Kimmy is willing to give up Keith. The cherry on top will be if Josh tells her not to because he knows she now can’t live without it, and he’s not up too it. Having said all that, I’m hoping, just a faint hope mind you, that Kimmy is throwing all this at Josh like some form of shock therapy so he’ll man up, break free from whoe is me Josh and take back what’s his. Like “I’m sleeping in our house in our bed and you tell that dirty old man to keep his hands off my wife.” Fat chance?

Tracey52

2024-08-04 20:20:23 +0000 UTC

If that's what he wants. If it were me, I wouldn't go anywhere near her bed. I wouldn't want to be a part of Her life in Her house. She doesn't deserve as much.

Chris K

2024-08-04 20:18:12 +0000 UTC

I mostly agree with you, Tracey. KT always seems to find a way. But I also recall how out of character Max was with Maggie in the final epilogue chapter. His begging and obsequious behavior didn't line up to who he'd become over the years in between and felt very off and out of character, especially after reading Keely. So, while I agree that KT normally has us, she's not above, in my opinion, making illogical choices for characters to fit a particular narrative for the genre when their actual development says they wouldn't be that person. At least not in that moment. I'm hoping I'm wrong, I want this ending to be great, not feeling like the last two years ended up feeling like a waste. (Not that Maggie felt like a waste, but it felt very off to me, and really only becomes "ok" when paired with Keely where you can ignore the weirdness from Max in the last chapter)

L_S87

2024-08-04 20:16:04 +0000 UTC

Did you hear they are making a new Spartacus show. Its called Spartacus: House of Ashur. It's what if Ashur didn't die.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 20:15:11 +0000 UTC

It's really rich of Kimmy taking out half of Josh's money after not seeing him in a year while pregnant with his daughter. Than consigning him to the shitty carriage house while she sleeps in the main house with Stone Sr.. i would tell the bitch either I am sleeping in the main bed in the main house as we always did. Or we sell the house, divorce, and I will try to get custody of my daughter.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 20:13:00 +0000 UTC

Omg, Tracey52, that’s so nice of you to say. I’m actually sitting on my deck right with a drink…whiskey, of course, this is DITW. 😂

Kat

2024-08-04 20:12:31 +0000 UTC

We have barely seen any of Kimmy’s POV. It’s extremely frustrating. For it to end like this after 14 books is upsetting.

Kat

2024-08-04 20:09:59 +0000 UTC

Maybe the nav is out and we're headed for the reef barrier!

Chris K

2024-08-04 20:08:27 +0000 UTC

I don’t think she wants a relationship with Keith, she wants Josh back. She wants him in her life, not just Colleen’s sand possibly in her bed in the main house. However, maybe she feels Josh moving into the guest house is the best she can hope for. Kimmy says she only dated him a few times, doesn’t sound like Kimmy moving on with Keith. It sounds like either part of the deal with the devil she made or maybe Kimmy realises she needs bid dick from powerful men but still wants Josh. Don’t think that will work for Josh though. It’s very selfish of Kimmy and no remorse shown either. It seems like she is saying this is me now, I know I’m a terrible person, yell at me, but at the end of the day I want what I want. I hate how she is not volunteering anything and Josh has the drag it all out like blood from a stone or is that water. Thanks for keeping the chapters coming out quickly KT. I think you realise you can’t keep us at this level of anxiety for too long. I especially worry about Kat.

Tracey52

2024-08-04 20:07:01 +0000 UTC

If I were him, I’d tell her I never want to be here when you have your new boyfriend over, please give me the courtesy to tell me so I can be somewhere else. And I’d be determined to make it as temporary as possible, once I was on my feet financially I’d be out of there. But…I think he’d also have real fear of just being a part time parent to Colleen. And be unable to compete with Kimmy for all the things she can now provide. This just feels like a perfect storm for Josh to spiral again. But I hope now is the time for him to regroup and put himself back together. I don’t want to read a story where he can’t move forward and continues to pine.

JL23

2024-08-04 20:00:03 +0000 UTC

Even if she doesn't sell, she'll still have to buy out his half. Plenty to get his own place and not suffer through any of this garbage.

Chris K

2024-08-04 19:57:19 +0000 UTC

I get what you're saying, JL. My challenge with all of that is twofold. 1. Why wear the ring if your done? And 2. Why ask Josh to live at your house, even if somewhat removed, so he can spend Every. Single. Day. watching you move on and live a great life without him? I would think she'd want the exact opposite if she truly cared, was remorseful and wanted Josh to be happy. So again, nothing seems to line up. The only answers I see point to conclusions that are odd and unsatisfactory and don't really live up to the characters as KT said they would. So i must be missing something. That or KT made a decision ill never agree with. We'll see.

L_S87

2024-08-04 19:56:15 +0000 UTC

I feel like you all at the moment, but this is KT where reading here. I feel like we are on an emotional boat in big seas, rocked from one side to the other. I think KT has as right where she wants us. Hold the course fellow readers, KT is a good captain.

Tracey52

2024-08-04 19:52:53 +0000 UTC

I understand what your saying JL, however there is no excuse she has for presenting another undeserving slap in the face to Josh, without simply providing him with divorce papers. She hasn't told him it's over but won't bring him close either. At the end of this conversation it doesn't change the fact that a married woman is still cheating on her husband. It doesn't matter why she is sleeping with him, only that she chose to steal money, and now she is sleeping with him. Asking him to stay in that place is necessarily cruel.

Chris K

2024-08-04 19:52:23 +0000 UTC

Yeah, I didn't get why she was so focused on not wanting to talk about the money until the in law suite for Josh. Him living on site kind of squashes any division of assets talk. Him not being there and asking for his half of the house is basically a clear step towards divorce. Which she seems to want to avoid, what with wearing the ring and all. Yet her choices in many other things, not the least of which is screwing Stone, scream the opposite. Very confusing.

L_S87

2024-08-04 19:48:10 +0000 UTC

If this book ends where I think it is. I want a spinoff book like Keely about Josh finding himself maybe with Karina and his daughter. And Kimmy going to jail. I can dream.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 19:48:00 +0000 UTC

Yes. Josh should tell Kimmy's dad and sister. Enough being nice. Turnabout is fair play.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 19:45:01 +0000 UTC

A lot of us don’t like Kimmy right now, me included, but if the face value is correct here, and she’s honestly admitting to Josh she’s met someone else and wants to pursue that, then that would be a really hard conversation for her to have. Plenty here feel differently, and they’re entitled to, and honestly like I said, I’m not a big fan of her right now. But I read her demeanor when telling Josh that the father saved her, and now that she’s sleeping with him, as something she feels awful telling him. I think it can be true that this Kimmy is not the same one from several books ago, that she has learned some things, and still have ultimately breaking Josh’s heart be the thing she believe she needs to do. I also believe this is probably not where she thought she’d be when this started, even if it’s where she know thinks she’s better off being. We still need all those things to be told to us to truly judge her actions. But if that is what she wants, she wouldn’t relish telling Josh that. At least not as I see her, and I am trying to keep a little place of my heart for her. Or maybe my ennui is settling in after my initial anger, and I don’t want to hate Kimmy. Or want bad things to happen to her to avenge Josh being hurt by her. I just want both of them in a good place where they are good parents and at least mostly content with their lives.

JL23

2024-08-04 19:43:23 +0000 UTC

I kind of wish we didn't get that extra book now. That everybody wanted. Who cares about the other characters. It was a waste. If this is how the book was going to end. I would rather KT work on something a little lighter like Six Weeks.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 19:41:31 +0000 UTC

Yeah L_S, when I read that comment from KT a few chapters ago, the hair kind of stood up on the back of my neck at the time. I took it kind of an hint for those of us who were hoping for Josh and Kimmy back together (which is most of the people who post here regularly- with notable exceptions). That maybe we might not be getting that, but that it would be true to the characters and their development. And I suppose I can envision how it would be. We all want Kimmy to burn right now, but perhaps she never had any intention of getting to this place, it’s just where the sequence of events that we don’t know of yet took her. She does say it took her “12 months” to be ready to face Josh, but that could simply mean she did a lot of soul searching, and that plus the experiences she’s gone through while apart have led her to the conclusion she shouldn’t be with Josh. That she loves him, but as far as a couple they’re better off apart. I just need there to be a full explanation of how she got there, cause right now we have nothing. I’m sure we’ll get it, but it’s just frustrating waiting a few more days for more. I’m just like Josh now, lost and a little depressed that Kimmy got to that point. And that she never gave her and Josh a chance. The Kimmy who fled that apartment would not have done it this way. But perhaps that’s what the last chapters will be, learning what happened and getting closure to their relationship in one way or another. A lot of things change in a year, and things we never could have conceived of doing make perfect sense as you go through the events that led you from A to B. So I’ll wait until I get those events before deciding. And as always, it’s not my story, so it’s probably not my place to really decide what’s true to the characters.

JL23

2024-08-04 19:33:35 +0000 UTC

Well, it's something Kimmy would do if she was trying to sell Josh on a Devlin 2.0 scenario, but with a different Stone. But that makes no sense from a Josh scenario because he'd always say no to that, and Kimmy would know that. The only thing I can come up with is Kimmy is feeling desperate, she wants Josh there to make her feel planted, to be her heart again because she's lost it. That's why she said "You have to" with a "harrowed" look. So she needs him to save her emotionally because Stone saving her financially has caused issues she's struggling to live with. And while all that is well and good, its an atrocious ending for Josh to have to help make Kimmy's life better while his gets even worse because she's dating Stone. Worse because it would be illogical for Josh, who's so focused on her betrayals, to simply accept them, and Stone screwing her, just to "rescue" Kimmy.

L_S87

2024-08-04 19:32:10 +0000 UTC

Yeah it feels like KT wrote 15 books that's going to amount to a Manus Dare story that could be done in one short one. i don't want to be harsh to KT but that's what this ending is starting to feel like. I at least want a ending that offers hope and for Kimmy to get some payback for all the bad she caused.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 19:30:11 +0000 UTC

Absolutely, I hope Kimmy loses everything. Josh needs to at least tell the whole family exactly why they are no longer together. Scorched earth!

Chris K

2024-08-04 19:29:17 +0000 UTC

Your right Kat. It is disappointing. This chapter made me want to take a step back.

Chris K

2024-08-04 19:23:05 +0000 UTC

I hope you feel better Kat. I myself want Josh to get a lawyer and tell Kimmy to return the funds you stole for buying the house. And then sell the fucking house and get an apartment for him and Colleen. Kimmy can fuck off to the woods. She never loved Josh. That's apparent.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 19:21:54 +0000 UTC

Yeah. There's an answer i see that makes sense to what Kimmy would be trying to accomplish, it just makes no sense for Josh to agree to it. It totally goes against everything he's fought for over the past year and change. So I'm kind of at a loss. Either KT really does have something spectacular lined up that I just don't see right now or it goes somewhere that makes me feel like I wasted 2 years waiting for this. I would have said to have faith, but this whole Kimmy and Keith Stone thing has robbed me of it. Because I'm struggling to see any sort of happy ending for Josh if he says yes to this proposal from Kimmy. And maybe that's the point. He won't say yes because suffering for Colleen's sake will just sour his relationship with her. There's nothing worse for a child then being in a house with a parent who loaths being alive because of how awful their circumstances are. Even if there is no intent to do so, the ugliness always washes off onto the children. Doing this for Colleen, while its a great platitude for a story, makes no sense and would never actually end up happily. No, if Josh wants Colleen to be happy, HE needs to be happy. Living off of Kimmy's largess that she earns spreading her legs would never equate to that. Which again, is why I feel so twisted up about this. Because my mind says this is going in one direction, but it also says that direction makes no sense unless you ignore a heap of evidence that says it shouldn't go that way.

L_S87

2024-08-04 19:17:34 +0000 UTC

Kat I am bummed as well. This is starting to feel like a Manus Dare story. But we had 14 books and it all ends like this! I think part of the problem is we didn't see the characters actions such as Kimmy's. And we haven't seen her POV. Also we assumed that Kimmy turned a page after the 3-way with Devlin and Amy. She wanted to be worthy of Josh. But now she is still working at Stone! And now she is fucking daddy. She didn't evolve as a character or grow. Now apparently she wants to move on with Stone Sr. (a relationship?) and throw Josh to the shitty carriage house. Fuck that! I think you lost me KT.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 19:17:18 +0000 UTC

I agree with what you said. Approaching Josh with this idea while she’s still sleeping with Stone is ridiculous, and totally not like something Kimmy would do. She has to know that the answer would inflame Josh. None of it makes any sense to me.

Kat

2024-08-04 19:14:51 +0000 UTC

I think we'll get it at some point, Kat. I do have faith in that. I just worry about the content of it. More obfuscation or actual thoughts about Stone and Josh so we know where Kimmy stands? I will grant that perhaps Kimmy is in a bad spot and hopes to maneuver herself out of being in a relationship with Stone so she can then slide back into her marriage with Josh. But she should have waited to broach Josh living here next to her after she was done with Stone. So she could confess and apologize. THAT is logical and makes sense. And potentially would to Josh as well, with a bit of convincing and effort. This, instead, feels like a convoluted scenario where Josh would always say, emphatically, NO to it. So why even go this route? The only answers I keep coming up with are illogical and unsatisfactory. So I hope I'm wrong.

L_S87

2024-08-04 19:10:04 +0000 UTC

KT's next project. ,"A year and a half in the life of Kimmy" All the details, the decisions, and the dirty, dirty sex!

Chris K

2024-08-04 19:07:28 +0000 UTC

Everything seems absurd to me right now. It’s so disappointing.

Kat

2024-08-04 19:05:57 +0000 UTC

She didn't want to pay the price and go to jail so she became Stone Sr's fuckbuddy. So much for trying to be worthy of Josh. Karina was right she deserved Devlin. I hope Josh has a card up his sleeve because he had to know she was fucking Stone Sr. Right? Maybe he is still in a relationship with Karina and tells Kimmy "I am in a relationship with someone I love and who treats me right oh and I am divorcing you!" I doubt that's what is going to happen but I can dream.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 19:02:51 +0000 UTC

Yeah, and if she gets back with Josh, she gets an even better benefit. If she somehow, no matter how illogical it would be, convinces Josh to accept her being with Stone yet they continue their marriage, now she gets what she wanted with Devlin, but trades up because she has everything she wants, plus Josh. And she can start working on Josh again with dirty talk about Stone. She wins everything. And all she has to do is sell Josh on a woe is me story of how she didn't really want to be with Stone but was "forced" into it. I still think she cares, otherwise she wouldn't have put effort into the in-law suite, but at the end if the day, its still her having zero consequences for her actions, only having to wait a year to maneuver Josh into place. And then having Josh say yes to such an absurd scenario.

L_S87

2024-08-04 18:59:25 +0000 UTC

Jupiter's cock!

Chris K

2024-08-04 18:58:54 +0000 UTC

I don't want to see Kimmy end up with Josh. She simply doesn't deserve that reward. And Josh doesn't deserve to be the side house bitch. Josh should tell her to take the rings off. She doesn't need to be in character anymore.

Chris K

2024-08-04 18:57:30 +0000 UTC

I can now confidently say Kimmy is now KT's vilest creation. She beats Jess and Maggie.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 18:56:06 +0000 UTC

I bet Josh at this moment feels the gods spread his cheeks and ram cock in fucking ass!

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 18:52:41 +0000 UTC

She's obviously good for the money. If not, she's a walking fuck hole on tap. She can and should pay him back.

Chris K

2024-08-04 18:52:15 +0000 UTC

Yes! She took the money out of his account without his permission to buy the house. She's a known thief. Tell her he will go to a lawyer and see about the funds she stole to buy the house. That the marriage is over and he will do everything in his power to get custody of Colleen. Josh needs to stop simping and man the fuck up!

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 18:50:15 +0000 UTC

Yeah, I am going to be bummed if that's the scenario. I now want there to be no HEA. Josh needs to stand up for himself to Kimmy like he did to Devlin. Tell her the marriage is over. And that she is a two bit gutter whore. But he is jobless and he has a kid to take care of. Fuck!

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 18:46:06 +0000 UTC

Yes, why is she wearing the ring? Why isn’t she divorcing him if she’s moved on with “Keith”? This whole thing just doesn’t fit for me. There’s so much story that’s been left out, that would have made a blow like this easier to understand.

Kat

2024-08-04 18:45:53 +0000 UTC

I’m not seeing it either, L_S., and I’m not liking where this is going. We’ve had to assume a lot of the details here, because a huge part of the story is missing, and we’ve hardly had any Kimmy POV.

Kat

2024-08-04 18:39:01 +0000 UTC

You're right about having to wait, JL, for this to be written as a whole. The challenge is, this chapter in particular, to me, feels like its pushing in a direction that makes no sense. KT said she thought some of us wouldn't like this, but hoped we'd agree we saw how things got there. I'm not seeing it right now. Though, I will admit, if things go the way you're suggesting, that Kimmy truly is turning Josh loose, and this is just a gesture of thanks, then perhaps I can see it turning out in an explainable fashion. Especially if we get some chapters of Josh finding a new love that Kimmy has to put up with. My concern is that I don't feel that here. I feel like we're going in a different, worse, direction. One that makes no sense. Hopefully I'm wrong and KT shows me how illogical I'm being.

L_S87

2024-08-04 18:33:49 +0000 UTC

Yeah I would like to see Kimmy's POV of what she has been up to all this time. I predict she got a get out of jail free card and promotion by agreeing to be Stone Sr's fuckbuddy. I would have taken the jail sentence but it appears Kimmy still loves power hence her promotion and fucking Stone. Sr. This is after she promised Josh she wants to be worthy of him (HA!) I want Josh to man up and tell Kimmy it's over and he will fight for custody of Colleen. Kimmy cant help her true nature!

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 18:33:39 +0000 UTC

Also, Kat, to your point of my being "right", while technically yes, I was, in my head I thought the scenario was "Yes, I have, but that's over and we haven't done anything for months." This response from Kimmy feels like an ongoing thing that isn't ending any time soon. Hence her silent responses and guilty body language. I knew that was a possibility, but didn't think it fit with what felt like Kimmy's perceived goal. Especially with wearing the ring. Why would she do that knowing she's sleeping with Stone? Feels very off. Perhaps she wanted to have as much emotional compliance from Josh as possible? Guess we'll have to wait another chapter to see.

L_S87

2024-08-04 18:27:31 +0000 UTC

I would love for Josh to stand up to Kimmy for once in this story. Like he did to Devlin. Tell her that she can fuck Stone Sr. all she wants because he no longer cares. That their marriage is over. And that he wants to try to get custody of his daughter.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 18:25:39 +0000 UTC

Yeah, it's frustrating we've not heard from Kimmy more yet, that all we're getting is how Josh perceives what she's saying. Josh is so blinded by anger, his hurt, and his own poor self-esteem to ask her the right questions. We really need to know 2 things: 1) How did Kimmy get from fleeing from Josh and their apartment, seemingly fearful of trouble, to here in less than a year? Seemingly in no trouble, a huge success and apparently starting a relationship with Devlin's father. 2) When did she ultimately decide she wasn't going to reconcile with Josh, and what caused her to make that decision. The ending of this chapter, to me, rules out any thought she's still in danger. Or has ulterior plans still in place that she's hiding from Josh. Her admitting she's sleeping with Keith ends those thoughts to me. I know we've had a storyline with Charlie and Reza of a woman being coerced into sex. But that's not Kimmy to me. If Kimmy is sleeping with Keith Stone, it's because she wants to sleep with Keith Stone. So what brought her to that point? Perhaps Devlin being in Vancouver plays into that? Maybe Keith Stone saved her from Devlin as much as anything else, and they've grown close through that? Again, it sucks and not the story I want, but it could be possible. It's possible she's sleeping with Stone to set him up, but again doesn't seem like that's the story, and we really don't have any indication the father has done something to her to want revenge. Josh describes him as an asshole, but that's through his parents and is also 15 years ago, when perhaps Keith had higher hopes how Devlin would turn out. Maybe he's learned things and become a better man. Who knows? I just think the straight forward explanation is now what is happening. Keith did something to save Kimmy, he probably didn't have ulterior motives, they've grown closer through that and it's led Kimmy to want to pursue something romantically with him. It doesn't mean her and Josh won't circle back to each other, in fact I suspect they probably will to some degree (there has to be some kind of tension beyond them learning to co-parent.) As to the frustrations, I share them but trying to go back to what KT said when we freaked out over Josh falling in the water. She's writing the story as a whole, and it's designed to be read in full, not chapter to chapter every couple of days. What feels a cliffhanger or unfair to us would just be something resolved by flipping the page if we were reading as normal.

JL23

2024-08-04 18:22:33 +0000 UTC

Bill, Kimmy went down a notch again for me. Josh is better off without her.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 18:20:56 +0000 UTC

O.K, KT I take it back from last chapter. This pretty fucking dark. I kinda want Kimmy to go away forever and leave Josh to raise Colleen by himself. I thought she needed separation time to be worthy of Josh but apparently not. I figured things were dark when Kimmy offered to let him live in the carriage house and not the main house! So basically he's the cast off husband in the carriage house and she's fucking the boss in the main house. Meet the new boss same as the old boss! I predict her idea to Devlin might come true that Josh will be raising Colleen but she will be fucking Stone. Sr. Please KT, have Josh stand up for himself for once in this series and tell Kimmy that it's over. And also have a twist that Josh is in a relationship with Karina the whole time but he lied to Kimmy to gauge her reaction before telling her it's over.

Andrew Mellein

2024-08-04 18:18:53 +0000 UTC

I see it the other way. No more fooling me. Kimmy doesn’t care about Josh. She only cares about herself. If Josh stays, she gets a new live in babysitter, and it’s way cheaper for her than going through a divorce with the marital assets, etc. Hyun won’t be there forever. Now she has a full time sitter who will be there for life so she can jet off with Keith whenever she pleases, living her best life.

Kat

2024-08-04 18:18:52 +0000 UTC

Yeah, Kat. Kimmy doing that makes sense from the perspective of where the last ended and her having "everything" here, but from the perspective of Josh wanting to be with her? It would have to be ruination. And she must know that. She went from screwing Devlin because she liked being bad behind Josh's back to selling her body to Stone to save herself and afford a new house and full time Hyun babysitter. That would seem like an even harder "I'll pass." On Josh's part. Which is why this just feels so off to me. Perhaps this was always KTs intent for Josh to be a punching bag for the entire series and to never gain happiness. Because accepting Kimmy being with Stone won't make Josh happy. I mean, you can write it that way, but then you're just not being true to the character. So it will be interesting to see what Josh's response is to Kimmy's admission in the next chapter. I'm kinda hoping it's from Kimmy's POV, Josh has left, said no, and she's trying to figure out how to move past this and make it right. Assuming she wants to.

L_S87

2024-08-04 18:18:48 +0000 UTC

Maybe Domina will clean her own fucking toilet!

Chris K

2024-08-04 18:15:12 +0000 UTC

Your whole last paragraph is exactly how I feel right now. I feel like if this is how it ends, the book is ruined for me. That makes me really sad, because I’ve loved this book so much. It deserves a better ending. Josh deserves a better ending. There’s so much missing story. It would have been good reading, too. At least then if we still got to this place it would have made sense, felt okay.

Kat

2024-08-04 18:14:54 +0000 UTC

I will say I feel like Kimmy does care about Josh, otherwise she wouldn't have gone through this effort with the renovation. She also deserves some props for telling Josh the truth. Straight up, no evasion or lies like all the other times. So, she's better in that regard, or at least has learned that lying about it doesn't gain her anything but short term benefits with a lot more pain later on. Then again, she's also still the same Kimmy. Shutting Josh out, selling her body for personal gain, then waltzing back in and expecting Josh to be okay with all the shit she did. At the end of the day, what does she expect from Josh? What she's done with Stone, in many ways, is even worse than Devlin. Does she expect a cookie and an atta girl simply for not lying about it??

L_S87

2024-08-04 18:10:07 +0000 UTC

I hope she proves you wrong, too, but I’m not holding my breath. It would be a terribly sad end to an amazing and thrilling book.

Kat

2024-08-04 18:06:55 +0000 UTC

It’s actually one of the only things that made me smile today. So witty, even if that wasn’t your intention it’s much appreciated. 😁

Kat

2024-08-04 18:04:25 +0000 UTC

Could be, but I for one hope she is pregnant again.

Chris K

2024-08-04 18:03:03 +0000 UTC

I'm with you, Kat. The two major scenarios that I feel like play out from this are both rather awful for Josh. With one in particular not even seemingly befitting his character given the last few books. If Kimmy hadn't been sleeping with Stone, I feel like this would have made a lot more sense. Her choosing to save herself, once again at Josh's emotional expense, just feels awful here. KT is going to have to really pull a rabbit out of her hat to salvage this for me. The way I think I see it going now will pretty much bomb the series for me. I hope I'm wrong.

L_S87

2024-08-04 18:02:30 +0000 UTC

100% with you on this. It’s been torture waiting to hear from just Kimmy. It’s all been one sided from Josh who always has a self loathing point of view.

Kat

2024-08-04 18:02:02 +0000 UTC

You were right, as you’ve been before. Lol I should have listened, but I just wanted things to go another way. Maybe she slept with Sr. because she had to, etc., but if she’s currently doing it there’s no reason to expect any other kind of ending. I agree with you that if this is the ending the whole series feels like a waste. This book doesn’t even feel connected to the last one. I’m so sad. 😞

Kat

2024-08-04 17:59:45 +0000 UTC

Saying yes to the apartment is still ridiculous. He's going back to work and can stay with Meyer until he gets enough to get his own place. If he stays, it won't be any character development for Josh, as he is still letting Kimmy dictate the outcome of their relationship without giving him any part of her. But, if he denies her and walks a different path... Kimmy will lose her power over him.

Chris K

2024-08-04 17:59:08 +0000 UTC

Well, him not being in the main house has a number of possible reasons behind it, some bad, some benevolent. Kimmy could just be giving him space of his own so he doesn't feel forced into close cohabitation with her, knowing what she's doing on a daily basis, going on dates with Stone, etc. She's assuaging her guilt by giving him a piece of what should have been his if she hadn't screwed it all up. More nefarious is it gives her alone time with Hyun, and potentially Stone in the future, even if she's insisted he's never come here. Doesn't mean he won't in the future. So yes, the car outside will rub his nose in it, but Josh won't have to see him or interact with him. Most nefarious would be it gives her an "away" place from Hyun to seduce Josh. We'll see.

L_S87

2024-08-04 17:58:18 +0000 UTC

Agreed, Chris. Its either she seduces him into cuckold acceptance or he simply waits and watches as she goes have fun with someone else until she's done with him and comes back to Josh. Both are really sucky scenarios that don't much feel like anything Josh would do. I could potentially see him saying yes to the apartment, but giving Kimmy a hard "no" on any sort of social interaction with her beyond Colleen. Perhaps bring Karina back to have sex at the apartment where it would be obvious to Kimmy that's happening? Would have made sense before, but making Karina a throw away romance sorta makes that unlikely, though possible if Josh works hard for it.

L_S87

2024-08-04 17:52:22 +0000 UTC

Not to mention all she seems to do is turn away or look at the floor and then give a little nod.

Chris K

2024-08-04 17:50:58 +0000 UTC

As an aside, I gotta say I'm getting really discouraged at all the purposefully evasive POV perspectives that continually hide Kimmy's thoughts and motives from us. In all the other books, we never had such a long stretch where we had virtually nothing, other than a small pittance of part of one chapter, where Josh and Kimmy were together and we basically had a one sided conversation because the other side is left out, chapter after chapter. It feels foreboding. Hopefully its not. Please, KT, we've been begging for well over a week at this point. Give us something substantive from Kimmy.

L_S87

2024-08-04 17:42:16 +0000 UTC

I leave you to play amongst yourselves.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-04 17:40:03 +0000 UTC

That's certainly why she doesn't want him in the big house...

Chris K

2024-08-04 17:39:57 +0000 UTC

There's definitely another pregnancy in the cards, Chris! That's why she wants Josh on hand so she can assure him it's his... what a merry prankster!

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-04 17:37:33 +0000 UTC

Hate to say it feels preordained, but I agree with JL. The amount of time left makes it feel logical that he'll say yes. The financial issues Josh references, though not discussed before because he does actually have his own place with Meyer, feels like a purposeful plant to make this a requirement. I could be wrong, and I want to be, but I have an inkling, disappointing as it will be, on how I think KT intends for this to go. I'm praying she'll prove me wrong.

L_S87

2024-08-04 17:36:47 +0000 UTC

So, basically Josh has to wait for Kimmy to someday be done with the Stone's until she comes back to him saying "the sloppy seconds are all yours, I'm ready to be your wife now" That's depressing AF.

Chris K

2024-08-04 17:36:17 +0000 UTC

I knew you'd like it. But you know I love Hyun, don't you? I just do some odd jobs as a sick SOB... sorry that should've been... as a sick...(sob!)

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-04 17:32:34 +0000 UTC

Even if there is one big thing, does it matter? She wants him there, but not for her. She had plan along. She's not facing consequences because this is exactly where she was steering all of this from the start.

Chris K

2024-08-04 17:28:18 +0000 UTC

Well, I hate that I was right about this, but it just felt like this is what kept Kimmy away and her decisions were predicated on saving herself, putting herself first, as per usual, then trying to make it "right" afterward by pandering to Josh as best she can. Her defensiveness last chapter just screamed to me, I'm sleeping with Sr. and I know you're going to hate it so I'm attacking you about Karina to create some moral equivalence between our actions. I kinda see two potential outcomes out of this. 1. JL, Kat and others are right, Kimmy has decided to move on, but she feels guilty about how things have turned out so she's offering this apartment as a consolation prize to Josh so he can be with Colleen every day and not "force" himself to come visit as often as he can. He'll have to live with Kimmy having sex with Stone and no longer being with Josh, and having that rubbed in his nose on a regular basis, but Kimmy is probably banking on Josh putting up with it for Colleen's sake. And because Josh isn't in a financial position to say no, he'll feel even more forced into it. And by the time he is in a financial position to say no and get his own place, Kimmy will have manipulated him into being comfortable enough to stay here. At some point he'll leave when he finds a new girl (hopefully Karina on a second chance) but for now, Kimmy will get to feel less guilty for fucking Josh over, plus have a house husband to take care of Colleen. 2. Kimmy still wants to reconcile with Josh, and has trapped him in a place where finances and Colleen won't ultimately allow him to say no, regardless of how he feels about Sr. I get the feeling her deal with Sr. is more casual, on demand sex when he's in town, than any formal dating or relationship. So Kimmy may be hoping that Sr. will tire of her eventually so she can move back to being with Josh, or that she can pull a cuckold round 2 and convince Josh he really is okay with sharing her. Either way, with him being close, she'll have ample time to acclimate him to her new routine and work at wheedling her way back into his good graces, gaining slow acceptance over time. Number 2, if she wasn't sleeping with Sr., would feel like a given. It's the perfect manipulative Kimmy scenario to hide her true intent and wants by covering them with a facade of doing it for Josh. But she is sleeping with Sr. So I'm really confused how she thought this would work. Josh would obviously be resistant to taking free hand outs while knowing what Kimmy is doing to earn it. The Josh from books 13 and 14 would instantly say no. Even with Colleen, he can find a way to make seeing her work without putting up with Kimmy every single day. Going to Stone Brokerage while being fucked by Sr. Hard pass. But this Josh. I dont know. He's kinda trapped. I will say, if the story goes route 2, and Josh does get back with Kimmy while allowing her to sleep with Sr., I'll be super disappointed, to the point of feeling like the whole series was a waste. That's not who Josh has shown himself to be, so that would feel wrong on way too many levels. I could envision a scenario where Kimmy works her way out of Keith Stone's clutches while trying to soften Josh and they end up together again down the road. Although i would still prefer, given we now know Kimmy sold her body to save herself from jail, that Josh simply says no to this scenario and finds someone else to be happy with.

L_S87

2024-08-04 17:28:11 +0000 UTC

You're going overboard... Here let me offer you a tissue... of untruths.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-04 17:26:10 +0000 UTC

I’m kind of questioning what the last 14 books were. I’m so disappointed. It doesn’t have to be a HEA, but Josh as a character does not deserve this. There’s too much missing from the story. This book feels like a different story with different characters. I wish the story ended with her walking out. I’m so sad.

Kat

2024-08-04 17:25:58 +0000 UTC

Please, Kat, it's unbefitting that every time you let her play you like a mouse. Play the long con.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-04 17:22:46 +0000 UTC

I don’t think I can read something like that. It’s not dark, it’s certainly not erotic, it’s just depressingly sad.

Kat

2024-08-04 17:22:03 +0000 UTC

Hyun in the cat basket. Thank you for that, Bill.

Kat

2024-08-04 17:20:38 +0000 UTC

Unsatisfying, that sums it up, if this is how their story ends. Kimmy faces no consequences. She has no guilt, no responsibility for the lives she’s ruined. Honestly, I just didn’t see Kimmy being this way. I really thought there was some realness in her relationships, but now I see it was all one big transaction. Unless there’s some big thing that happens, I kind of don’t want to read anymore. I will, of course, but this chapter has bummed me out, and wondering what the past 14 books were for.

Kat

2024-08-04 17:18:37 +0000 UTC

Divorce and have her sell the house. That's how you get the money for an apartment for you and Colleen. Stop being an idiot Josh. As soon as Devlin visits, he'll take his room and you'll be in a tent in the backyard.

Chris K

2024-08-04 17:14:01 +0000 UTC

"Even though she faced away, he could see Kimmy nodding." Well Josh, once she saw his head of staff how could she not enthusiastically volunteer for extracurricular duties. Besides, it's in bold block letters in her ironclad contract.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-04 17:09:38 +0000 UTC

Trifling with me nonetheless... to be honest it goes both ways... who am I to grouse?

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-04 17:02:08 +0000 UTC

The best ending for this would be both Josh and Hyun leaving the house. Kimmy all alone in her stupid fucking castle. All the possessions she wanted with no one to share them with. No love, no emotional support, just the life she wanted all along.

Chris K

2024-08-04 16:58:46 +0000 UTC

It becomes more and more evident that the eyes are the windows of the soul... or the daemon. Kimmy is a slender tower.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-04 16:57:30 +0000 UTC

Maybe Hyun already has plans for a Spartacus revolt.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-04 16:51:11 +0000 UTC

A queen sized bed in case Devlin wants a stop over.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-04 16:47:16 +0000 UTC

I’d love him to turn her down too, but I just think where we’re going with the story would dictate that he’ll end up staying there. That feels like it’s key for how the story will progress to the end.

JL23

2024-08-04 16:45:22 +0000 UTC

It's so intrinsically insulting... and controlling. She's really got him by the balls with his love of their daughter. She certainly is that unkind of bitch Is it being recorded so she and Master Stone can watch it when they're in bed together... With Hyun curled up in the basket Kimmy made, with her own skilled hands, at the foot of the bed pretending to be asleep.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-04 16:44:00 +0000 UTC

Not today. He's not finished with his chores.

Chris K

2024-08-04 16:43:01 +0000 UTC

Please KT, don't have Josh stay there. Let him stand on his own two feet as an independent strong willed soon to be single dad. And make Kimmy pregnant, cause fuck her! Lol

Chris K

2024-08-04 16:31:51 +0000 UTC

Mommy... can I see the man nextdoor today?

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-04 16:30:40 +0000 UTC

More a punchbag than an afterthought.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-04 16:28:28 +0000 UTC

I’m super disappointed, too. I’m embarrassed to say almost to the point of tears. To be fair, I’ve had a lot going on in my life, so being on the verge of anger and tears is par for the course with me right now. I was hoping too much that they’d reconcile, that Kimmy would make up for all the hell she put Josh through. I wanted his near death to have really meant something to her. It’s clear it did not. Josh needs to leave now, get a lawyer and share custody of Colleen. Kimmy is rotten, there’s no fixing her. She doesn’t love anyone. I don’t think she knows how to love. I don’t know how she thinks Josh would ever want to live in her garage apartment while she lives in the big house, dating a billionaire..the father of his bully. It would have been better if Colleen had been Devlin’s. I don’t know where this story goes from here. It feels over to me. 😢

Kat

2024-08-04 16:27:57 +0000 UTC

She certainly is a work of fantasy.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-04 16:25:06 +0000 UTC

I’d like to hold out hope there’s more here. But doesn’t feel like it is. Kimmy moved on, which she has a right to do, and gave Josh the guest house as a “consolation” prize. Slapping my own head for being so wrong at why she wanted Josh there. You are right, we need Kimmy’s POV, we’re getting only Josh’s. It’s possible there’s more to her relationship with the father. Honestly, the idea that she’d think Josh would find this arrangement a good one kind of blow my mind, which maybe can indicate to me that there is more going on with Keith than her just moving on without any coercion involved. But I have to go with the evidence presented here, and say there likely isn’t. I think she wants to move on from the marriage, feels incredibly bad about that, and this is what she’s giving Josh to compensate. A house to live in and a daughter to be with.

JL23

2024-08-04 16:24:09 +0000 UTC

I guess Stone has already rubbed off on her ha fucking ha!

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-04 16:20:30 +0000 UTC

She undercuts him at every turn. I don't think it's even worth talking about. An insult to the Iroquois League. What does she hope to achieve by the never ending browbeating. It's positively sadistic. All that preparation sure didn't go to waste.

Bill F Protagoras

2024-08-04 16:17:56 +0000 UTC

Wow. Just wow. As someone who has witnessed it first hand, sometimes a person is just not a good person. You wish all you want but Kimmy is just awful and the worst people actually are those that think they are kind. Colleen being Josh's child is not a blessing it's a curse. KT for me you reached a new height with this story in your characterization of Kimmy.

Naillesy

2024-08-04 16:16:51 +0000 UTC

Of course she's fucking him Josh! That's who she is. Easy. Fuckable. You think the she earned that job through hard work? The only work she did previously for Devlin was locate a shipping container! Get busy living or get busy dying. Live without Kimmy, and take care of Colleen. Or die miserable under Kimmys thumb (just like Hyun)

Chris K

2024-08-04 16:13:26 +0000 UTC

So Kimmy and Stone Sr. are together. I guess I’ve been giving Kimmy too much credit, throughout this whole book. I’m really kind of grossed out and disappointed in her. I agree with Josh here. This is so wrong. This must be how Kimmy saved herself. We need Kimmy’s POV. A whole chapter just from Kimmy. I’m kind of speechless right now. Need time to think on this. Thanks KT. My day is shot now. Lol

Kat

2024-08-04 16:12:37 +0000 UTC

Oh well…it’s what I was hoping it wasn’t. And as usual, I read Kimmy’s earnestness totally wrong. Lol. As always, maybe there’s more here to her relationship with who we now know as Keith, but sure doesn’t feel like it to me right now. I still want to know how he “saved” her and why, but feels more like Kimmy is moving on and is at least in a casual romantic relationship with the man who helped her. I’d love to think there’s more, but this again feels like “motherly” Kimmy toward Josh. Making decisions for him without him. Doing what’s “best” for him. Even if she probably realizes him being there and watching her date a high powered guy will slowly kill him. But hey, at least she’ll have another babysitter for Colleen. Unfair I know, but I’m incredibly disappointed at the moment, but maybe this is the ultimate truth for Kimmy. I don’t know where we go from here to be honest. Honestly, I’d feel just like Josh does. He’s not wrong, she used their money to buy their house, but this would feel like charity to me as well. And incredibly condescending. But can he turn it down? Dammit Kimmy. I don’t want to be mad, she’s free to make decisions to better her life. If she determined she needed to move on from the marriage, that’s her right. It certainly was going to take a lot of work to save. But still, dammit Kimmy. In my opinion, she owed it to Josh to try. Again, maybe somehow she still is, but there is nothing I can read or infer in this chapter that would tell me that. I think we’re in for a lot of chapters of Josh living there, being with Colleen, but also watching Kimmy trying to move on with a billionaire. But unless there’s some kind of potential for reconciliation, I don’t know where the story is. Feels like there will be a point they work their way back, but at this moment I don’t really want that. I’d rather see Josh rebuild his life and move on.

JL23

2024-08-04 16:11:00 +0000 UTC

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