DITW 15-9: Root Congestion
Added 2024-08-22 15:43:36 +0000 UTCJosh was beautiful. Beautiful, but so vulnerable. Despite his sojourn and his exile, he still showed aversion to her touch. Timid. Like a victim. Gun shy. The harm she’d caused him was heartbreaking.
His hard cock was in her hand, his mouth on her skin, her aching nipples aching even harder, hurting and wet—now, of all times, leaking when she had the man she wanted in her bed.
A sojourn of her own, an exile of her own, had brought her to this point, and now she was prepared to ruin it all by lying, by deceiving, doing all the things that had sent her into lonely and deserved despair.
She let go of his cock, slipped her hands around to his bare back, hugged her cheek to his chest, and closed her eyes. If she let him go and he departed, jumped out the window and flew off into the night, everything would be over. Nothing would ever be the same. She kissed the warmth of his sweater, knowing the risk; stopping now when the ball was rolling would cease their progress and could cast them apart again. And she couldn’t bear that.
But Josh sensed the change, coming to his senses, swimming up from the dark depths where she had sunk him, words like heavy chains dragging him down where the light couldn’t reach. A place she knew he liked. A place he wanted to spend time in. But not like this. Nothing could be more roundly wicked than taking his game piece and pushing him back to the start when he was so close to freedom.
Josh abandoned her, but not the bed, falling off to the side, laying on his back and blocking his eyes with an arm. His cock stuck up out of his open pants, hard as steel and shining wet.
She palmed her forehead, closed her eyes. Getting what she wanted without coercion was a path that would take time to learn. Tonight the stakes were high, but deception was too great a risk. She imitated Josh, resting a forearm over her brow, her other hand closing her pajama top. Two married people who’d faced sheer devastation, laying in bed together, hiding from each other though they were touching.
She lowered her arm, cleared her thoughts, scooted up onto the bed, drawing her legs underneath her; she curled her body around Josh’s head and shoulders, caressed his hair and stroked his beard. Josh removed his arm and opened his eyes. She thumbed his chin, loving every angle of his perfect face. Josh tucked his erection into his fly and closed it. She kissed his temple.
But sensing he could sit up and abandon the moment, leave her swimming in its sweet wake, alone again like she’d been alone for a year, had her surging forward, not even having a plan. Acting on honest instinct.
But then again, just a crafty angler giving a trophy fish some more line.
She said, “I lied about Devlin’s father.”
Josh nodded, expression somber still, mouth tucking to one side—a sign of the psychic wounding she so casually reintroduced to his life just because she wanted him to stay.
“We’re not together,” she said. “We’ve never been together.”
Josh’s brow crinkled. She stroked her palm over his jaw, liking the beard under her touch. He said, “What do you mean?”
She told him she was sorry; Josh sat up, and she was sure he would bolt to the door. How would she even stop him? He regarded her over his shoulder, bewildered and bothered. She sat up as well, cross-legged on the bed’s center. She intertwined her fingers and hooked her thumbs. She said, “I’ve attended a few functions with him. It’s for work, but also he doesn’t want to go alone. He’s not interested in me. Not in that way.”
“Why would you tell me...?”
“I, I don’t know, Josh.”
“You were just, just what?—trying to get me in bed?”
She shrugged, feeling foolish, but grateful he hadn’t walked out of the room.
Josh looked away, puzzled, struggling to make sense of her inane actions, getting him in this room and practically seducing him. “Am I that predictable? Do you think I still want that?”
She stopped twiddling her thumbs and held her head instead, both hands on her brow and temples. “I’m ashamed,” she said. “I just . . . Meyer told me about how you saw the photo...”
“And how I reacted. And you think, what? That means you can play me like you used to?”
She swore he was looking to leave, and she scooted closer, putting his back and rump into her crotch, long legs on either side of him. She threw her arms around his shoulders and hugged her cheek to the back of his neck. “Don’t leave me, Josh.”
Josh slumped, but she detected no seizing of muscle or tendon, no preparation for flight. Only slump-shouldered defeat. The last thing she’d wanted tonight. The very last thing. She’d foreseen wonderful things. Seen them with crossed fingers. Like Josh with his baby. And Colleen would look in his eyes and Josh would right away be a changed man. He would stay in Unionville tonight. He would sleep in her bed. She would wake up with him.
She said, “I haven’t been with a man, Josh. Not since the last day I saw you. I’ve been so busy. So busy trying to make things right.”
“I... I wasn’t with Karina... I wasn’t—”
“You don’t have to tell me.”
“I just couldn’t... I didn’t want to do anything with her. I think I just needed a friend.”
That was like a knife in her heart. Josh had gone to Karina and Karina had been there for him after all the harm his wife had done. She’d almost killed him.
“I don’t want to talk about bad things, Josh. I don’t want to talk about the past. Tonight, can we just talk about the future?”
Josh’s chest and shoulders expanded in her clutch as he drew in a deep breath and let it out. She accepted it as an answer in the affirmative. “Stay, Josh. Stay the night. Stay here. I’m so glad you came.”
“You should hate me for how long I stayed away.”
She dug her chin into his back. “I don’t.”
“But you’re punishing me.”
While she surmised his proposal, her grip on him lessened and Josh stood up from the bed, leaving her there alone. He crossed to the dresser and braced himself, two hands on it, hunched over in a way that reminded her of the time he’d hurled the office chair at Devlin Stone.
“I’m not trying to punish you.”
Josh tossed his hands up like he was tired of arguing the same point. “You could have told me you weren’t seeing Devlin’s dad, but you used it against me instead.”
“I’m not against you, Josh. I want you to be happy.”
“By lying to me?”
“Josh...” Now she was exasperated too. Wishing Josh could see into her heart and know she meant him no harm. She only wanted good things for him. “I... I pass you a crayon and you just start coloring. I don’t have to lie. I don’t have to manipulate. You do it all. You take it to the endpoint, running as fast as you can.”
The way Josh stared back, hollow-cheeked, showed her how hurtful her words were, even unintentionally. Josh wasn’t ready for this conversation. None of this was what she’d wanted for this night.
Josh sighed and leaned his backside against the dresser. “I don’t even know who I am anymore. I sure don’t know who you are.” He tossed his hands up; letting fate make his choices, adrift at sea. “That’s my fault for staying away for a year.” He regarded her. “But look at you now. I don’t even recognize you. Do you recognize me?”
She nodded. “I know what you’re saying, but I do see you, Josh. I really do. I recognize you.”
Josh smiled, a weak one, but she was happy to see it. But its presence also summoned another thought: this man is so done with you, his smile is his way of showing how you can’t hurt him anymore. You don’t mean anything to him.
But Josh said, “You’re persuasive. You could persuade me to do anything.” He gestured toward the bed; the place where she’d tried to seduce him with words from their dreadful past. She looked away. He said, “Is that what you want for yourself? Is that what you want for me? To ease me into satisfying place? And then when I’m there, what then? What do you see for yourself when I’m no longer a problem?”
She wiped at her eyes, then regarded him. “You’re not a problem.”
“A wrinkle,” he said. “A wrinkle you need smoothed.”
“Do I make you feel like that?
“Of course. Can’t you hear me saying it to you?”
“You’re not a wrinkle.” Anger had tightened her voice, raised it. “You’re not some imperfection in my life. You’re the only thing that I want. That I desire.”
Josh shook his head, lips slimmed to a thin line. “I’m not worthy of your desire. Don’t you see it? What could I ever offer you? I’ve seen what turns you on. I’ve seen the things you like. You showed me how you measure a man.”
They had both raised their voices. Josh’s body tightened, and she saw him like a coiled spring, ready to bounce right out of Unionville and away from danger. She couldn’t even be mad at him anymore for his tendency to flee. It had been a life-saving mechanism.
She bolted from the bed, wanting to be close to him before he disappeared, putting her hands on him, touching his arms, looking into his eyes.
“No one could ever hurt me like you hurt me,” he said. “No one ever.”
A cold knot formed in the center of her chest. It was an awful thing to hear. Most awful because it was true. There was nothing to say. She said, “Maybe no one would love you enough to try.”
“You wanted to hurt me? I always thought that.”
“No. I wanted to hurt you in the way you flirted with.” She let go of his arms, waved her hand, dismissing the ugly alley the conversation kept finding its way to.
“That’s a lie. A year-old lie. You know that. It was camouflage. You wanted it to hide the evil you did.”
And that was true. This wasn’t an ugly alley they had to avoid. It was incontrovertible truth that neither of them could escape. She’d just lied again—anything to avoid the sharp edges of their past. Just not tonight. Not the truth. Another time, yes. But tonight she wanted him to be happy. Happy to be here. Happy for his gift.
She said, “Okay. Yes, you’re right—”
Josh held up a hand to stop her, expression uninterested and dispassionate. It tightened the frigid knot; she’d never felt more distant from Josh than right now. In the last year, he’d been physically removed from her life, but she conjured him in her thoughts every day, motivation while trying to build the scaffolding of repair that could unite them again. But tonight was the launching ceremony, and things weren’t going well. Her ship would sink. The craft she’d fashioned for them wasn’t seaworthy at all.
“That’s it,” Josh said, waving his hand now, the one to dismiss their entanglement. “I don’t want to talk about this. Not now. Not ever.” He dropped his hand, stared at her a moment longer, eyes watery and mournful, brow creased. He shook his head, like he’d almost wanted to continue, but knew there was no point. He turned to leave.
The sight of his familiar back broke her resolve, and right now, she would do anything to make him stay. She’d thought teasing him with his obvious interest in some relationship with Devlin’s father could tickle him, lure him into their old games—done now only in the safety of their own home. But that was an awful mistake. Apologies formed on her tongue, pleading arguments appeared in her foggy fore-mind. Anything, anything to make him stay. She would fall on her knees, she would fall on her sword. She begged him.
“Please, Josh. Please, don’t go. I can’t go on without you. You don’t even know what it’s like. You don’t know what I would do for you...”
Josh turned his face over his shoulder, puzzled and perplexed by her sudden wheedling cries. “I’m not leaving, Kimmy,” he said, low and plain. Calm. “I’m going back to the house. I don’t want to be in here with you right now. In this prison. Sophie...” He pinched the bridge of his nose, pausing for a moment. “Sophie made me ice cream. I don’t want her to think I forgot about her.”
Comments
Way to go, KT! You put the golden thread right under my nose and I didn’t see it. You kept me looking at the sexual only to create a backstory around something illegal. I’m guessing “illegal” is connected in some way to the revenge she’s getting on Stone and his female accomplice. Then, you further hide the details in the ensuing year between the “break up” and the “return”. Now, the rest is working itself out. Masterful! Kimmy, for all her brilliance, is still a child playing a very adult game. Josh isn’t much better. Both weave in and out of their own manipulative games, Kimmy more overt, Josh more covert. Kimmy at times is masterful, yet sets herself, and Josh, up. Josh still hasn’t really taken a hard look at himself, something Kimmy desperately wants and needs him to do. In their own twisted ways, they are struggling to grow up. Not an easy thing fora writer of erotic fiction to accomplish. Go KT!
Randy
2024-08-30 12:52:37 +0000 UTCJames Bond. Almost any hardboiled Private Dick... Any picaresque character. Most anti-heroes. Gully Foyle... Most of Kurt Vonnegut's Heroes. Philip Roth's... John Updike's... Joyce Carol Oates'... James Jones'... John Le Carre's... Elmore Leonard's, Patrick O'Brian's Jack Aubrey and Stephen Maturin... Henry Miller's libertines... William Faulkner's... The Great Gatsby... The Three Musketeers... The Consul in Under the Volcano... Graham Greene's sinners... The protagonists of all Hubert Selby Jr's works.... Iceberg Slim's anti-heroes... James Ellroy's corrupt Noir denizen's... to name only very few.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-28 23:17:41 +0000 UTCI’m wondering that, too, Andrew. Why make those tow tapes of Devlin part of the story if they weren’t going to “play” a part later on? Yay! KT just posted a new chapter!
Kat
2024-08-28 21:29:06 +0000 UTCMaybe she used some form of blackmail with that tape of Devlin getting reamed!
Andrew Mellein
2024-08-28 21:10:26 +0000 UTCBill you should name names. So I can tell you if I hate those characters or not. 😁😁😁
Andrew Mellein
2024-08-28 21:08:09 +0000 UTCYeah, I suspect if there are no complications left for her, it had something to do with the idea she mentioned that while the money she stole was technically from Stone Brokerage, it was money that Devlin was getting through less than lawful means, and that he was also using those funds to set up his own business. Perhaps her stealing shined a light on all that for the father, and that's how she spun it. So she got rid of Devlin and took his job. Still feels too easy, but perhaps that means their final obstacle is still Devlin. Can't imagine he'd take that lying down and just sulk off to Vancouver, tail between his legs.
JL23
2024-08-28 20:24:49 +0000 UTCDespite being in a clear minority... my views are becoming uncongenial... Sorry I give priority to my own understanding of the books and characters... I shall ruffle other people's feathers no further. You are all entitled to your opinions.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-28 18:22:01 +0000 UTCSo you are claiming more right to judge and condemn her than Josh. Which non existent character am I comparing her to? There is a vast popular array of characters imaginary and real who behave worse than Kimmy in the same or similar situations and are admired... even adored.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-28 18:10:27 +0000 UTCSo you are comparing her to a non existent character to make us feel better about her actions? When her own husband had multiple opportunities to even the score, but did chose the adult and loyal route. Nah, not working. Sorry.
Chris K
2024-08-28 18:04:35 +0000 UTCEh, cheating on and lying to someone you love typically has extreme consequences. Even if they end up being impermanent, she made choices, now she's reaping the "rewards". I'd still be okay with them being together, she's just going to have to work hard at it and stop self sabotaging her efforts.
L_S87
2024-08-28 17:51:23 +0000 UTCI feel for Josh because... I understand him...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-28 17:49:08 +0000 UTCWell, the obvious answer is "On her back." But... I think it's very plausible that Keith Stone saw how utterly ruthless she was when it came to destroying Devlin and possibly saw a kindred spirit. Someone he'd happily have running his company with the same sort of ruthless devotion to winning at all costs. How horrible she's treated Josh aside, she's definitely got the mental mettle for that sort of position.
L_S87
2024-08-28 17:47:09 +0000 UTCI think it will be shameful if Kimmy is chastised and made the scapegoat, when she has done nothing questionable that in a male protagonist would not glide off their manly features like water off a duck's back. Yet in her case the mistakes of others will stick to her like the pollution of a big business oil slick.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-28 17:44:55 +0000 UTCI bet if you and Josh shared some beers in a bar, the conversation would be epic. Tragic, but epic.
L_S87
2024-08-28 17:44:10 +0000 UTCI wonder how Kimmy got her “get out of jail” free card?
Andrew Mellein
2024-08-28 12:10:00 +0000 UTCMarriage was, and is a subterfuge to unite the power of church and state and erode the honesty of people... it's redeeming feature is the legal protection of children.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-27 21:24:50 +0000 UTCI’ve been thinking about this, too. Kimmy needs to lay it all out for Josh, tell him everything that happened to her, and what she’s been through and let the chips fall where they may. She’s never tried honesty with Josh. It appears that she’s kept her word to Josh that she wanted to earn him back. After getting more information in this chapter, and piecing together the info from the other chapters, Kimmy has spent the year planning and working towards a reconciliation with Josh. She’s doing everything she said she’d do in Book 14, Chapter 3, “If you’d look in my eyes I could tell you everything you’d ever want to hear. I would tell you that not only do I love you, I will love you forever. I will make you the happiest man. I will make you a father. I will buy us a house. I will make our dreams real. I will crush your enemies. I will destroy anyone you ask me to. I know in my heart that I am everything you ever wanted.” Unfortunately, instead of telling Josh what she did and what she was hoping for, she lied to him and played games. There are only so many chapters left in the book. I’d love it if the next chapter was Kimmy sitting Josh down in the apartment, and telling him all about her year, and all she has done to prepare and make things right for him. It would start out as a flashback for Kimmy, and end with Josh sitting there absorbing all the details. There’s been so much time between chapters, my mind is filling in the blanks. I wish this wasn’t the last book, because, for me, there’s still a lot of story that needs to be told. Right now there are too many gaps to lead to a satisfying end, for me, maybe not for everyone else.
Kat
2024-08-27 20:46:45 +0000 UTCAs we wait for the next chapter, I find myself trying to figure exactly what Kimmy's plan was here. She talks about how hard she's worked to "make things right" and fashioning a "scaffolding of repair" for their relationship, but from where I sit, it seems like her "plan" was more built on hope than anything else. Seems like she kind of hoped giving Josh irrefutable proof Colleen was his, and to present her own successes in life as theirs, was going to be enough for Josh to forget everything else and come back to her. Or, at the very worst, to at least agree to live there while she worked to get him back. That's...not much of a "sailing vessel" so no wonder it's sinking. I buy the seduction wasn't part of the plan here, that she crafted it on the fly when it appeared Josh wasn't even going to assent to the bare minimum of staying at the house. Still, I don't really understand how she thought this was actually going to work. And not really sure why she'd be surprised that it didn't. She talks a lot of about Josh wanting to always flee from her, and that's true to a point. But she's just as guilty of it as him. She fled from him when she felt trouble, and here she's kind of fleeing from him even as she desperately tries to cling on. Cause she just wants to put the truth, and the hard conversations, in a box for later. Or maybe never. The only way now is to confront all of those things, but her instinct is still to lie, deflect, and delay those conversations. As always, there could be real reasons why she isn't sharing more with Josh. But until she's ready to reveal and answer things, she can't be surprised Josh is resisting her.
JL23
2024-08-27 19:43:19 +0000 UTCI do love reading KT’ novels for the realism compared to the other erotica novelists. However after being proverbially kicked in the nuts for 15 books I think some form of uplifting ending wouldn’t be a lot to ask for. But in the end it’s up to KT. I am just along for the ride.
Andrew Mellein
2024-08-26 22:17:15 +0000 UTCTo each their own. I love reading my harem novels. There's nothing particularly realistic in them, but I enjoy the love, camaraderie and happiness portrayed in them. It's a great juxtaposition vs the emotions found in KTs works, which I equally enjoy.
L_S87
2024-08-26 20:26:13 +0000 UTCI do read novels by KT Morrison for the reality in them, or the Mimesis... realism in literature, or any other art form, is a rare luxury.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-26 19:17:49 +0000 UTCWould it though, Andrew? The story we read is not fantastic, except in so far as what eroticism lends to 'real life.' And I've witnessed marital or romantic disasters that have been far worse and more enduring. You want the denouement of the story to be upbeat... no objection on my behalf... But Happily Ever After is Pie in the Sky When you Die! As unbelievable as eternal damnation... well almost as unbelievable!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-26 18:59:55 +0000 UTCThe novel is not a form of escapism... though some provide positive re-enforcement... some provide catharsis which is not escape. In the oral tradition... Happily Ever After Is a formula which forestalls listeners from asking for more, and gaining some respite for the tale tellers. Unfortunately, it also means nothing eventful happened after that... because stories even when comical are rarely about happiness. Read, at least, " The Quiet American" and then Graham Greene's autobiography "Ways of Escape," and you will understand what I am, and he was, getting at... It's probably the reason why I find much more humour in Shakespeare's Tragedies than his comedies... Interesting times are more often than not harrowing... To feel hope is good enough for me. Or tears will do in a clinch...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-26 18:41:56 +0000 UTCIn real life this marriage would have ended in divorce. But thankfully this is fiction so I want a HEA!
Andrew Mellein
2024-08-26 18:14:20 +0000 UTCI believe they call that 'a dime a dozen'
Chris K
2024-08-26 18:00:18 +0000 UTCI had a thought that would have probably sparked a fight after reading this. I'll keep it to myself because it probably sounds a lot funnier to me then it actually is. You're probably right, Bill, but if we were reading these books for the reality of them, well, none of this would be here anyway because it's much too fantastical to be real. So if we're delving firmly into fantasy, why not enjoy the idea of HEA? If a novel is the ultimate form of escapism, then what better ending, for those that prefer it, than everyone walks away happy except the "bad guys"? I'd rather have our evil villainess find redemption then "realistically" be vilified by all for the rest of her life. Even if she deserves it.
L_S87
2024-08-26 16:42:27 +0000 UTCI think Kimmy is definitely her own worst enemy. You are totally right about how she sabotaged herself by lying about Keith when she didn’t have to. Minus Devlin and you’re right, there are lots of things she’s done that have placed her in this situation, separated from Josh, lonely and needing him back. I would even say that her whole in control persona is just a facade, and she’s as screwed up as Josh. She just handles it better. Josh, on the other hand, seems unable to handle anything. His mental state is still quite bad. His insecurities mixed with his general downturn view of the world will make it difficult for him accept anything from Kimmy. He also doesn’t trust her, which is understandable, and this little stunt with Keith Stone will not help that. I wish she had just been honest and upfront about her wants and desires where Josh and Colleen are concerned. I’ve been rereading the books, and these last few chapters. It’s clear after rereading and thinking about it, that Kimmy’s whole plan was to make things right and win Josh back. She’s been doing the right things for a while now. Forgetting about the Hyun situation, she seems to have done what she said she would do. She somehow fixed her legal problems. She might still have been disbarred, we don’t know for sure. Josh said that Meyer told him, “Says you’re not a lawyer anymore. Hyun told him you’re an executive.” She very well could have lost her license to practice law, but still managed to find herself in a lucrative new career. She got back at Devlin, took his job, had him banished. I’m sure some of that she also did for Josh. She bought a house, she’s responsible for their daughter. She even built him an apartment so he could be there with Colleen, in case he wasn’t comfortable being near her. She went right back to work after having a newborn. Here in Canada, not many women do that. Even the high paid executives take maternity leave here. So she does all this, isolates herself for a year, and then sabotages herself with lies about Stone Sr. For what? It negates all the good things she did, and makes the chasm between her and Josh even greater. She’s her own worst enemy for sure.
Kat
2024-08-26 15:35:46 +0000 UTCYeah, I think Josh has two big hurdles, and they're intimately connected. 1. He has horrible self esteem issues where he sees the worst in himself and doesn't feel like he has much to offer Kimmy. She could "obviously" do better. 2. Kimmy's affair with Devlin, where she was SO manipulative and did so many borderline unforgivable things is constantly on his mind. Kimmy called him wounded, and he is. Add in Kimmy's manipulation that consistently ties the two together and it's very difficult for Josh to look past this huge hurdle. Kimmy loves him. She wants him to be happy. Those are incontrovertible truths. But. She can't get out of her own way to recognize what Josh needs now so that they can mend what she broke isn't manipulation or her version of the truth. Even if she's right, Josh can't see that and doesn't need it. The whole "this is what you really want deep down" thing needs to be addressed later when they're on solid ground. Constantly bringing it up now just tears them further apart. But Kimmy can't seem to see that. She constantly wants to inject what she wants and sees as "right" on Josh and it just won't work. Not now. This would have gone SO much better if she'd left the manipulation and sex at the door and just offered him a place to say. Told the truth about Keith and said I want us to be here for each other and Colleen. We'll work out the rest over time. Josh would have *jumped* at that. Immediately. Kimmy calls Josh his own worst enemy (he mostly is, except when Kimmy does stupid shit) but Kimmy is also her own worst enemy. Even if you never accounted for all the Devlin BS or stealing, this scene shows how easily she can sabotage herself.
L_S87
2024-08-26 13:31:10 +0000 UTCYeah, I think he's aware Hyun is attracted to women, and has suspicions that includes her having a crush on Kimmy. Josh says they joked about it early on in this book. Having suspicions is different than dealing with the reality though, especially if it gets messy. I guess I just don't know how something like that doesn't get messy for someone. Either Hyun gets hurt (unless she can accept it was never a real thing) and pulls back from Kimmy, or Josh can't live with it and it leads to a divorce. But I'll wait to see how it's presented to us.
JL23
2024-08-25 16:27:40 +0000 UTCDoes Meyer know about Hyun? I know in Book 2 - Chapter 7, Josh references Meyer’s suspicions about Hyun, “Hyun had not remarried, and secretly, after drinks, Meyer would often surmise about her sexual identity.” Maybe Meyer would not be as angry as we think he would? Josh would feel betrayed, yet again, but Meyer might be able to deal with it. We don’t have enough information on what kind of relationship Kimmy and Hyun currently have, and have had, this past year. I’m sure they’ve had a physical relationship at least some of the time. Hyun is in love with Kimmy, and Kimmy needs physical comfort. She purposely told Josh she hadn’t been with a “man” since last year. I think that’s lying by omission, re: Hyun. I agree with Chris, that the Hyun storyline was there for a reason. It wasn’t a one night stand with her. There were feelings attached to this relationship. Hyun isn’t Devlin. She’s living with Kimmy and helping to raise Colleen. I don’t know how many more chapters KT has left for us, but opening up the Hyun storyline would require a few more chapters, and right now Josh and Kimmy just reunited and are on very unsteady ground. A revelation about Hyun would not be helpful. Sure, Josh and Kimmy could end up divorced, but IMO an ending that finds Josh and Kimmy both alone, and all their familial relationships in tatters would not be very satisfying. Plenty of relationships have secrets. I’m not saying that’s a good thing. In real life it’s not something I’d be comfortable with, but sometimes if the alternative is to hurt the one you love with your confession, it’s probably better for you to bear that burden yourself. It works, too, for the character of Kimmy to still have secrets from Josh that she keeps forever. I don’t think Hyun would tell anyone, Or all of this is wrong. I’m just bored on a Sunday morning, drinking my coffee, ruminating on DITW, of course! Lol 😂
Kat
2024-08-25 13:20:19 +0000 UTCThat was one of my thoughts if the Hyun/Kimmy relationship is a big part of the ending. That it could end up alienating them from Hyun, Meyer and then Sophie. So they're together, but without any of their loved ones who've provided support. I guess that'd be a "consequence" to the Hyun relationship I'd see as plausible.
JL23
2024-08-24 23:52:03 +0000 UTCI think we are, Pete. But I see a scenario something like what somebody else (JL?) already proposed: Kimmy, Josh & Colleen all by themselves. Everybody else has left them. Not sure if that would be looked at as a HEA ending, but at least Josh & Kimmy would be together (with Colleen). That's what I want for a HEA but I know some would disagree.
Bill H.
2024-08-24 18:25:08 +0000 UTCTracey. 'Fair dinkum'. I watch a lot of OzzyMan on YT. That's a great phrase!!! 👍
Chris K
2024-08-24 18:24:26 +0000 UTCDid either of them think to tie a clew to something stolid before entering the labyrinth?
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-24 16:23:53 +0000 UTC'Happily Ever After'... Please ! How could even a child espouse such a concept after hearing the tales it's tacked on the end of... the best it can signify is extreme irony... the worst outright deception... HEA, a thankfully rare disease from which there is no recovery.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-24 16:17:45 +0000 UTC"The craft she’d fashioned for them wasn’t seaworthy at all." Not a definitive statement or a reliable plan either. Kimmy still seems to believe in Josh's dark kink... Josh seems to be as unwilling as her to meddle with past mistakes. This doesn't bode well for 'Kimmy's future plans'. But who says it should... Others might know them better than they suspect...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-24 16:03:59 +0000 UTCI am down under Chris. Wonder what gave that away🤪
Tracey52
2024-08-24 02:34:18 +0000 UTCIt’s not that I don’t want anything to get in the way of a happy ending. Sure, I want one, but I’d be OK without it. My point was just I don’t see how given the current state of affairs, Josh finding out right now about Hyun would be something they could ever get past. Especially if something is still going on with them. Maybe there’s some kind of way they’d work their way back, but I’d doubt it myself. It kind of invalidates everything she just told him, at least I suspect it would in his mind. I’ll fully admit I’ve never loved any of the Hyun stuff, it doesn’t fit for me and I’ll also admit I’ve never seen any clean way to resolve it. But maybe we’re not meant for a “clean” ending. As always, I’m not the writer so I’ll be happy to be wrong once we see the final product.
JL23
2024-08-24 01:17:57 +0000 UTCJL, it feels like you don't want anything to get in the way of some perfect happy ending. The whole Hyun/Kimmy affair is a major plot thread that is utterly useless without the big reveal. It was a part of the story for a reason. Does that mean there still won't be a reconciliation? No! Absolutely not, they can still come together. But half of Kimmys battle to get Josh back now is exposing all her truths to him. That is her major consequence for everything she has put them through.
Chris K
2024-08-24 00:46:35 +0000 UTCFeels like a Hyun revelation now would be the end of any hope of reconciliation. Again, I go back to then not knowing what the story is from there. Not saying something won't be revealed, I could see that. I just don't think it'll be right now. At least not to Josh. But we may get a Kimmy/Hyun conversation, when Josh leaves the house, that could reveal what, if anything, is going on. I'd also be curious how much Hyun knows about what Kimmy/Josh were up to. She knows more than anyone else, as far as we know, but not anywhere close to what the actual dynamic was. I wonder if Kimmy has told her more.
JL23
2024-08-24 00:08:41 +0000 UTCYes Tracey. It is time. Otherwise, what was the point of it being in the story at all? And, are you down under might I ask?
Chris K
2024-08-23 23:01:05 +0000 UTCI agree with all of you but remember this it KT. One chapter ago we were all doom and gloom and now we’re talking HEA. I feel a confrontation with Hyun coming up when Josh goes back into the house. Time for that little Pearl to come out if Kimmy is fair dinkum.
Tracey52
2024-08-23 21:53:42 +0000 UTCMaybe it’s not sexual. Maybe she’s had to do more illegal stuff at Stone to get herself out of trouble, and earn the money to fund their new life? We still don’t know exactly what happened with Devlin. Maybe it’s something with that? I don’t know, but it sure seems like she went through a lot. She’s really desperate for him to stay. I also feel like she might be teetering on the edge, too.
Kat
2024-08-23 21:03:45 +0000 UTCYeah. I think what we're seeing is she is suffering, greatly, without Josh. She's just much better at putting a mask on. But it seems like a great deal of motivation for her doing whatever she's done in the past year was the idea she was doing it for Josh, to reconcile with him. If that's taken away from her, she's certainly portraying like it would totally break her. That part makes me wonder again if there are things she's had to do at work that she isn't proud of, and doesn't want to keep doing, if she can't have Josh. Maybe it's still more complicated than we know. Part of her last line..."You don't even know what its like. You don't even know what I'd do for you."...maybe hints at that?
JL23
2024-08-23 20:58:16 +0000 UTCL_S, I totally agree with you. I wanted Kimmy to suffer for what she did to Josh, and especially for all the terrible things she did to him behind his back. We still don’t know what she’s been through, but maybe we don’t need to know now. Seeing her this distraught tells me that she’s been through something awful (of her own making, of course). She had their baby alone. I couldn’t imagine having a baby alone, knowing that I treated the father of that baby so badly he almost died. Sure, I wanted to see her pay for her crimes, but maybe seeing her like this shows what she’s been through. I don’t know, I think I’m softening to Kimmy too much. Lol
Kat
2024-08-23 20:51:21 +0000 UTCSure, but when when is Kimmy going to earn that? She hasn't even tapped into honesty yet. She needs to come clean and let the chips fall where they may. Josh isn't running away, but it would be a hollow HEA if there was still so much he doesn't know. It won't be easy for her (nor should it be), but I think Josh can handle it.
Chris K
2024-08-23 20:45:10 +0000 UTCI don't know, guys. I was SO adamant on Kimmy needing some consequences leading up to this and feeling like Josh deserves a fresh start. Mostly because of how much his life had got to shit over the last year. Prior to that, I'd wanted an HEA. Now after seeing just how twisted up and emotionally distraught Kimmy is? I can't help it. Kimmy *needs* an HEA with Josh or she is going to implode in a way that may be reminiscent of Josh's lake episode. She's been a horrible person at varying points. She doesn't deserve that, though. Especially not when Josh *wants* an HEA with her, they're just quibbling over how to get there because the past is blinding them to the future. But, can they get past that? The end of this chapter was kinda brutal. I just don't know.
L_S87
2024-08-23 20:03:27 +0000 UTCYou know, I'm of two minds on this. 1. I mostly agree with you guys that Kimmy shouldn't mention it, but only if she's not actively engaged in a sexual relationship with Hyun. If it's been months and she's purely focused on Josh, there's no value to telling him and the only outcome would be pain for all involved. (It's not like watching them together is Josh's kink. I mean, yeah, he'd probably like it but that's a whole different can of worms) 2. My only fear that makes me lean the other way is what happens if Josh somehow finds out? What if they're 6 months down the road, *finally* in an okay place and then this bomb drops. It would be horrific. Then again, it's probably a similarly destructive bomb if it's let out now. I don't know. Anything from Kimmy on this subject is destructive. It would only be palatable if it came from Hyun to Josh as a confession and apology. I don't see that happening, though she is the type of person to do something like that, because she's generally a kind soul, except for a few notable exceptions.
L_S87
2024-08-23 19:51:29 +0000 UTCYou know how I feel. I really hope they can make it work, but you’re right about Josh. He’s been so disillusioned, for many reasons, that he can’t just be with Kimmy without forgetting about the past, and believing he has anything to offer her.
Kat
2024-08-23 19:44:12 +0000 UTCI agree with you, JL. I’m fine with the Hyun stuff being kept secret from Josh. Hyun is not out in her sexuality, so if Kimmy were to confess her affair with Hyun, she’d be outing her, which is definitely not okay. I don’t think Kimmy would betray Hyun like that. Also, it would only serve to hurt Josh, and probably Sophie and Meyer, and by extension maybe even Colleen. As long as Kimmy isn’t cheating on Josh with Hyun, I think keeping it secret is the way to go. Some things are better left unsaid. IMO, it appeared that Hyun already knows what’s going on with her vacant stare, etc. She knew that being with Kimmy “for real” wasn’t an option. Kimmy is going to be Kimmy, too, and that will always mean keeping something from Josh.
Kat
2024-08-23 19:12:28 +0000 UTCI agree, Kat. Certainly we could get a scenario where they never get back together because there's too much distance and pain between them. Their dysfunctional communication and inability to be on the same page about so many things really hampers any sort of reconciliation where Kimmy's apologies and cries for help are taken in a manner from Josh that allows him to help and support her. Not saying I want that. I did, and this chapter kinda tugged at my heart after having it hardened seeing Josh's ordeal for the past year. But they are SO far apart right now.. may as well call it the Grand Canyon of emotional distress. Crossable? Sure. Easily done? Nope. Only a few make they trek. Can they do it? I don't know.
L_S87
2024-08-23 19:05:57 +0000 UTCI was thinking that, too, that after this last chapter if they don’t make it work it will be even sadder, because we know Kimmy wants Josh and has actually tried to do better (in her own way). Josh has a lot to work through. He hasn’t spoken to Kimmy in a year. The last time he saw her was 2 days after he nearly died. And before that, he was only alone with her two other times, once was right after she was with Devlin in the hotel. Both times, Kimmy used sex to get him to stay with her. He’s still ruminating over what happened, which is fair. Kimmy has had other things to deal with, and she seems to have moved on. He still loves her, though, and I don’t think he’ll be able to live without her if he knows how badly she wants him, back. There’s also their daughter, and both of them had always wanted to raise a child together. I guess we’ll see what happens, but this chapter was a huge relief to me. The Keith Stone stuff was just gross to think about.
Kat
2024-08-23 19:03:53 +0000 UTCWhen Kimmy says "I... I pass you a crayon and you just start coloring. I don’t have to lie. I don’t have to manipulate. You do it all. You take it to the endpoint, running as fast as you can.” I return to Kerouac's writing his 'stream of consciousness' style of prose and his 120 foot typing roll of individual sheets taped together so he could type uninterrupted while his wife kept him supplied with benzedrine, cigarettes, bowls of pea soup, and mugs of coffee to keep him going.(wikipedia). Kerouac was in the merchant Marines during WWII and the Naval Reserves but when called up to active duty he was: honorably discharged on the psychiatric grounds that he was of "indifferent character" with a diagnosis of "schizoid personality". Using Wikipedia again for the definition: Schizoid personality disorder is a personality disorder characterized by a lack of interest in social relationships, a tendency toward a solitary or sheltered lifestyle, secretiveness, emotional coldness, detachment, and apathy. This is not Josh but he has had a tendency to flee conflict, which he did not succumb to in this instance and calmy proceeded to the house to eat ice cream with his niece, or more accurately his first cousin once removed.
Steve McCarty
2024-08-23 18:29:06 +0000 UTCWith Kimmy's POV revealed here, I think it's clear both characters want to be together. Question is whether all the things that have happened and all the baggage and hurt feelings are too much to overcome. But I suspect we're heading toward some kind of happ(ier) ending than sad one. It'd kind of be even more sad now if they can't work it out with the knowledge that neither have moved on, and both still want a way back together.
JL23
2024-08-23 18:24:26 +0000 UTCI sure hope so, or a HEA that would be appropriate for the people involved. Something that doesn’t have Kimmy sleeping with a flaccid old man, and Josh falling off a dock into freezing cold water. Anything else would be wonderful. Lol
Kat
2024-08-23 18:05:51 +0000 UTCI kinda hope so. It’s been a dark series.
Andrew Mellein
2024-08-23 17:48:40 +0000 UTCWith the reveals in this chapter, I'm wondering what folks think. Are we trending toward a HEA ending?
Pete
2024-08-23 17:47:46 +0000 UTC“I’m not worthy of your desire. Don’t you see it? What could I ever offer you? I’ve seen what turns you on. I’ve seen the things you like. You showed me how you measure a man.” Kimmy is so plainly disturbed and out of kilter she cannot see how the humiliation game is hardly a safe tactic with a man whose self esteem she has managed to undermine so thoroughly. Apparently, they were once a team, but even in her damaged heart she continues to fancy herself... the lead... the alpha dog/bitch. She still thirsts after his obedient compliance. He hungers for the respect, compassion, and consideration that was once the bedrock of their relationship for him. Their illusion of love has been shredded by the raking claws of lust, and a lazy reliance on Pavlovian triggers. When someone draws a line between love and sex, it opens up a space to seed a minefield in. Kimmy and Josh lack just as much confidence in themselves as they do in each other... Kimmy yearns to enfold them in a velvet darkness that gives Josh nowt but cold comfort. Could there remain more than a trace of what, not all that long ago united these two anxiously straining opposites? When Kimmy unsexed herself was it totally necessary to unman Josh too? To throw vague, and therefore all inclusive contumely upon his virility... what exactly could measuring the dicks of victim and victor, one against the other prove, except for the bleeding obvious? For whom was such ribald exposure vital? Harsh reductio ad absurdum for Josh's eyes? Was it a cruel visual confession of what Kimmy was afraid to admit in plain words?
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-23 17:46:44 +0000 UTCI think Kimmy has shown some self growth in this chapter. Even though she starts out lying, she realizes that she can’t get back together with Josh based on a lie, that’s based on his kink. She hasn’t been honest about everything, but I think this chapter was a good start.
Kat
2024-08-23 17:39:38 +0000 UTCThis chapter gave me hope, too. I hope Josh gains some self worth, and steps up, but as L_S said, it’s going be hard for him to step up for anyone when he needs someone to step up for him. I have no doubt, though, that they both still love each other.
Kat
2024-08-23 17:37:41 +0000 UTCAvernus—“The entrance to Hell or the underworld, or the underworld itself.” Interesting. I wonder if this means Josh or Kimmy is entering Hell? Or both?
Bill H.
2024-08-23 17:01:55 +0000 UTCPersonally, I really don’t want the final obstacle to Josh and Kimmy being together or apart to be Hyun. Beyond all the complicating factors for other characters, to me, it wouldn’t be true to the story we’re telling. For me, it has to be Devlin somehow as the final obstacle, or just simply their own baggage. So that’s why I’d rather the Hyun stuff not even be dealt with.
JL23
2024-08-23 16:42:58 +0000 UTCPete, I just have a gut feeling that we haven’t seen the last of Devlin. He reminds me so much of Tyler from “Learning Lessons”. Devlin was such a big (pun intended) part of the story from the first scene in the tent, it’s hard to imagine that he’s moved to Vancouver and that’s the last we’ll ever see of him.
Bill H.
2024-08-23 15:25:26 +0000 UTCHyun's collateral damage yes, noble that's a bit of a stretch. I would say that Kimmy used Hyun's obsession with Kimmy to her advantage and is still doing it. Kimmy's claim as not being with a MAN for over a year is true but I bet Hyun and her have been keeping thing well oiled. They are all very flawed people. Kimmy is an opportunist a vampire like character sucking what ever she want's and needs from those around her.
RCH
2024-08-23 13:16:50 +0000 UTCYeah, I agree with Bill. We need to wait and see. Chris isn't wrong that In the last few books, Hyun's jumping at the chance to cheat with Kimmy is far from noble, nor was her pseudo bad mouthing of Josh for not "supporting" her, but we've had minimal interactions with her to get a clue on how her and Kimmys relationship has progressed. Or regressed. The hug in the kitchen shows they're still close, but that look of dread she gave Josh plus her comment about him looking good seem to indicate she knows where Kimmy's heart is truly at. Although that doesn't necessarily mean they aren't doing things as many of us noted Kimmy's clever wording if not sleeping with a "man". Wondering of Josh picked up on that, as he clearly noted a number of chapters back Hyun's look and wondered at how close they were. Wait and see is the wisest course if action. Kimmy and Josh are so dysfunctional right now, it will be interesting to see how Hyun being in the house fits into the dynamic.
L_S87
2024-08-23 10:58:20 +0000 UTCGreat point, Bill. There's a line there where you should be honest, but there's any number of things, many of them often small or petty, that don't require external comments and should be kept internal as they don't really add any value to the relationship. Kimmy even noted it here that she's saying things she feels, but they're only hurting Josh, and ultimately her objective of getting him to stay and accept her, and she'd have been better off keeping quiet on it.
L_S87
2024-08-23 10:50:34 +0000 UTCShe wants Josh to be as angry as she is... wants their suffering to match! They both view each other as strikingly physically beautiful, a typical symptom of love at first sight! It's the root congestion that's problematic. The past is always with us for better or for worse. And for everything in between.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-23 08:31:19 +0000 UTCHonesty... can be vastly overrated when it comes to love... You've gotta be cruel to be kind is rank hypocrisy.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-23 07:49:16 +0000 UTCWait and see, Chris.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-23 07:42:03 +0000 UTC“I’m going back to the house. I don’t want to be in here with you right now. In this prison. Sophie...” He pinched the bridge of his nose, pausing for a moment. “Sophie made me ice cream. I don’t want her to think I forgot about her.” There's more to backbone and strength than macho posturing and misogyny. There's more to revelation than analysis and speculation... Thanks KT I'm feeling more like myself... Metaphorically speaking, as you so deftly demonstrate! There are others who warrant, and furthermore merit the courtesy of Josh's attention... innocents.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-23 07:28:04 +0000 UTCGnomic utterences...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-23 07:10:38 +0000 UTCFortunately, Kimmy's actions in this scene are much more eloquent than her self mutilated thoughts. Although somewhat feline in nature Kimmy does offer, apparently unbeknownst to them both, purely physical affection that doesn't deviate into sex. The beggar becomes the begged, Joshua seems reluctant to tumble into any bottomless pits today thank you. Besides, his pockets are empty. Some ice-cream made from love and some homespun wisdom... might just do the trick... "When you've got them by the balls... their hearts and minds will follow." It may not work with the ovaries though... women being more used to a long history of the unrelenting inducements of male rough housing... Perhaps suffering Kimmy could chain herself to the bars of Josh's 'chastity cage!'
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-23 07:09:35 +0000 UTCEvery one on their hobby horses once again... on your marks get set go!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-23 06:56:39 +0000 UTCTime for Kimberly and Joshua to play hide and seek again. "Root" to fuck down under and every which way...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-23 06:46:20 +0000 UTC"Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow, Creeps in this petty pace from day to day, To the last syllable of recorded time; And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, That struts and frets his hour upon the stage, And then is heard no more. It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing." He lost his wife poor fucker! "But screw your courage to the sticking-place", And we’ll not fail." “Yet I do fear thy nature: it is too full o' the milk of human kindness.” ". . . Come, you spirits That tend on mortal thoughts, unsex me here, And fill me from the crown to the toe top-full Of direst cruelty. Make thick my blood, Stop up th’access and passage to remorse, That no compunctious visitings of nature Shake my fell purpose, nor keep peace between Th’ effect and it. Come to my woman’s breasts, And take my milk for gall, you murd’ring ministers, Wherever in your sightless substances You wait on nature’s mischief. Come, thick night, And pall thee in the dunnest smoke of hell," "'Tis the eye of childhood That fears a painted devil. " "To know my deed, ’twere best not know myself." "By the pricking of my thumbs, Something wicked this way comes." "Fair is foul, and foul is fair." I too try to never let anything divert me from my fell purpose...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-23 05:50:57 +0000 UTCSeems to me now that both Josh and Kimmy are growing up and discovering themselves in this story. It’s been hard to read either of them because neither of them really know who they are, what they stand for, or how to set their boundaries to protect themselves either individually or collectively. Slowly it appears they are discovering themselves. Great move KT!
Randy
2024-08-23 02:24:50 +0000 UTCI wasn't comparing her to Devlin, simply stating that they were both sleeping with Kimmy. And yes, your correct. She did stick by her side and help her with the kid, and more. But, she doesn't seem too happy to have the father of the baby back, which makes me question whether she's hurt or angry. Neither one leans her toward nobility.
Chris K
2024-08-23 01:58:51 +0000 UTCFair point Chris. Especially in regard to her sleeping with a married woman. That's far from noble. I do think comparing her to Devlin is a stretch, though. Devlin has done much worse. And I do feel she's noble, for standing by Kimmy, warts and all, when no one else did. She could have easily judged and abandoned Kimmy, like all the rest of their friends seem to have.
Pete
2024-08-23 01:50:21 +0000 UTCYou're right, Kat, about what Josh needs to see and understand about being a man for his family, *but*, that's hard to do when the partner he needs to support because she's in a bad place cut his legs out from under him with her actions. It's hard to save someone else when you also need to be saved. That's kind of where Josh is at right now.
L_S87
2024-08-23 01:34:12 +0000 UTCMaybe the run up to the end is going to encompass all of that. Josh developing a sense of self worth, becoming more confident, facing his demons. Kimmy learning to communicate, working with Josh instead of just working him. Learning a path forward together. Would be nice if it was. This chapter gives me hope. But it’ll probably be a winding road filled with pot holes. Kimmy is a lot of things, including a good actress. But she can’t fake that level of desperation, of distress. She needs Josh. She just needs to figure out a way to explain it. And he needs to figure out a way to hear it and understand it’s genuine.
JL23
2024-08-23 01:07:11 +0000 UTCYeah, I would not at all be surprised to see Devlin make one last appearance in this story. Things really ended abruptly with him, and he can’t be too happy that Kimmy has his job now. I would love to see some more scenes with Colleen. Josh needs to realize that being a “man” isn’t just what you bring home or how you love your wife. Being a good dad to your child is everything. I hope that Colleen can give him some purpose. He needs to break out of his victimhood. Kimmy wants him. She’s desperate for him. I wish that he could see what he has. Kimmy has said that before, too. Being a “man” is also about being there to hold your partner up. The problem is that Josh can’t see how much Kimmy needs to be held up right now. And she needs that from him. They both are in desperate need of a therapist, as well. The miscarriage did play a big part in what they became. And yes, these two are the worst communicators. Was it always this bad between them? They’ve had a long relationship. Openness and honesty are very hard for both of them, but they need it if they are to make anything together,
Kat
2024-08-23 00:57:52 +0000 UTCShe's noble because she is trying to steal Josh's place at Kimmys side? Or she's noble because she was merely sleeping with Kimmy behind Josh's back? (same as Devlin) Or, is she noble because she is a woman with a kid?
Chris K
2024-08-23 00:35:03 +0000 UTCWow! What an amazing chapter. This shows KT is in a league with no one! I read a bunch of dreck from the other erotica authors. Same stuff rise and repeat. Wimpy husband and wife who takes advantage of him. Over and over again. But Kt changes it up and continually shows it how it should be done! It feels more real than the stuff I read. I salute you KT !!!
Andrew Mellein
2024-08-23 00:23:59 +0000 UTCI really hope Hyun isn't just collateral damage, as Kimmy casts her aside for Josh. She's one of the noblest characters in DITW. She's stood by Kimmy, even after knowing her sins.
Pete
2024-08-23 00:09:37 +0000 UTCGood points, JL. I would say 3 devils remain for Josh: 1. Devlin - Can he ever really get past him? (Devlin moving away feels like an odd 'resolution.' (Though, maybe I have it wrong: Maybe the Waters that needed to exorcise Devlin was Kimmy) 2. His own cuckold kink - Will he ever face it? (He's pretended it no longer exists ever since the affair surfaced. That doesn't feel realistic to me. Such a deep-seated kink doesn't evaporate like that. Plus, this was a central "character" in our story. It evaporating like that feels...dissatisfying.) 3. Kimmy - Can he live without her? (I don't think he can. If Kimmy "loses" and doesn't get Josh, I think it'll destroy Josh even more than it would her.)
Pete
2024-08-23 00:05:24 +0000 UTCAll great points Kat. They are TERRIBLE at communicating with each other. Pretty much always have been since we've seen them. I feel like the miscarriage was a real turning point. It may them both feel devastated and inadequate, but they never talked through it with each other. They just let it all fester. I think a lot of Kimmy's actions and Josh's insecurities started right there, and everything afterward just poured fuel on the fire, until it consumed everything they built together. You are right about Josh too. Look, Kimmy did a lot to break him, but he's done his part to break himself. He's a bit too wrapped up in his grievances (however valid most of them are) and also in a very narrow definition of what makes a "man." But they still have one important piece of foundation to build on: Colleen. I also prefer that Keith Stone is not appearing to play a sexual role here. We'll see about Hyun. But I still kind of feel like on top of everything with Kimmy, Josh still needs to exorcize the other demon in his life, or Devil. Still feels like there needs to be another appearance of Devlin in thus story, and a final chance for Josh to "prove" himself...even if that's only to himself...and let go of that demon once and for all. I think he does if he can ever move forward with Kimmy.
JL23
2024-08-22 22:26:40 +0000 UTCKimmy was pulling a fake out on Josh with Keith. I was so happy to read that. It appears like she has actually grown a bit this past year. Instead of continuing on with her lies, she confesses to Josh, even when she knows it might make him walk away. That is something new with her. On the outside it looks like she has it all, living a glamorous life, and needs nothing more, but she’s unhappy, incomplete without Josh. I believe that this house, and her new responsibilities were all done for Josh, to win him back, to give what she thinks he deserves. She seems desperate to get him back, desperate enough to taunt him with his kink, even when she senses that he’s done with it. But, she readily admits that she knows what’s shes doing, and sometimes even enjoys it herself. It seems twisted, but that is growth for Kimmy. Josh, on the other hand, does show some backbone here, but he’s so bloody insecure and down on himself he can’t see that everything here is up to him. He is in the driver’s seat. Kimmy wants him and he’s still playing the victim. I know he went through an incredible trauma last year, but at some point you have to stop victimizing yourself and grow a pair. I wish Josh would see what he has, and get some confidence. Kimmy said it herself what we’ve said about having to rely on Josh’s perspective when chapter after chapter are solely narrated by him. “I... I pass you a crayon and you just start coloring. I don’t have to lie. I don’t have to manipulate. You do it all. You take it to the endpoint, running as fast as you can.” Josh always jumps to the worst possible conclusion for everything. I just started rereading the book and he’s been doing this from the start, assuming the worst and then letting it marinate inside of him until he believes it as truth. To be fair, a lot of what he believed turned out to be true, but after everything he’s been through, you’d think he could muster up a bit of courage and just confront Kimmy already, get it out there and over with. If he’s ever going to move on with Kimmy and Colleen he has to come to terms with his own victimization of himself. It’s interesting how Kimmy says she’s never been with a man the whole year, interesting because that leaves room for Hyun. She’s technically not lying to Josh, but she’s still omitting Hyun. I’m sure she and Hyun hooked up numerous times. Kimmy, for all her strength, really needs comfort and physical attention. You see it in how she’s practically begging Josh not to leave her. This explains the vacant stare in Hyun’s eyes. She knows that Kimmy wants to get back together with Josh. She wants Josh to move in to the house and in to her bed. She wants Josh to bond with Colleen. Josh will be taking Hyun’s place, and Hyun most likely knows it’s the right thing, but she must be so hurt. Hyun always cared more about Kimmy than Kimmy for her, but she knew that being with Kimmy in the open would blow up the family, and her daughter’s life. Hyun knows she’s going to be replaced. Josh and Kimmy are such poor communicators. It’s like they’re speaking to each other in different languages without a translator. I think they want the same thing, but it’s going to take them a while to gain the courage to be open and honest with one another. Let’s hope they do, because there’s a baby that needs both of her parents.
Kat
2024-08-22 21:22:05 +0000 UTCMore like it. That’s my first thought. Good to get Kimmy’s POV. She still has some growth to do.
Tracey52
2024-08-22 21:06:28 +0000 UTCYep. She's not wrong, she's just shit at the phrasing part of it. And the timing. Knowing when to bring stuff up is her kryptonite. Which is probably why she lies so much. But that just holds the truth in abeyance until it can detonate like a bomb in her face. I think you're right about time jumps. If this is gonna work out, we've got to have some because that's the only thing that lets Kimmy fix this. And allow Josh the space to not feel so trapped by the past and his perceptions of the present. Of course, the opposite is there is no time because they're crumbling apart even further and there's no shoring this mess up. Part of me doesnt feel sorry for Kimmy if that's the consequences of her actions. But another part hopes she manages to find a way through all this. Redemption stories are great too. But boy howdy do we need a boat load of redemption for this one.
L_S87
2024-08-22 19:54:11 +0000 UTCThere have been hints their communication wasn't great prior to the "party of doom" that set all this in motion in Book 1. Josh mentioned after the miscarriage, they both just kind of powered through like nothing happened and didn't discuss it. Clearly though, that was a mistake. They both were hiding some deep seated traumas, feelings of inadequacy and just general devastation. Maybe they could have avoided some of this if they just talked at that point. But they didn't, and that part is on Josh as much as Kimmy. So they are where they are, and there communication isn't exactly healthy now either.
JL23
2024-08-22 19:37:09 +0000 UTCShe's not wrong, a part of him, a significant part of him, does want the "darkness." When she says things like "maybe no one else would love you enough to try," I know what she really means, or is trying to convey to him. But I also understand how after everything, Josh takes that completely differently. As a insult and put down, as patronizing. And shuts himself off from talking more. That's gonna be what they need to figure out if they want to move forward. Again, we all said "we need more from Kimmy." Well, this chapter showed me at the very least, she's going to try. And though we heap a lot on Kimmy, understandably, Josh has to try as well. If he wants to be with Kimmy still, he's going to have to open himself up to hearing her out on how she wants to move forward.
JL23
2024-08-22 19:30:55 +0000 UTCYep. Part of the issue is she can't step back and have a factual conversation about it because she's always tried that *after* a manipulation like she did here. Or when they are having an argument and she's trying to prove she's right. This can't be about right and wrong. She needs to set the situation up so that he's 100% comfortable and then they talk about what he finds acceptable and doesn't, making sure it's never intermingled with her wants or desires. Otherwise it just comes across as manipulating him to do what *she* wants. Because that's how it's always been before. She uses his kink as an excuse. Even here. Instead it needs to be something that can bind them together because it's for Josh. For their relationship. Not for Kimmy as a rationalization for her dirty deeds and needs. I think she realizes that, and I think, based on her thoughts here, the last year has put her in a place where she *knows* Josh's place for her and how valuable it is, but she can't get out of her own way to make him understand what's in her heart without mangling it with the past. You said you want to talk about the future, Kimmy, so stop digging up Josh's memories of terrifying events by acting like past Kimmy.
L_S87
2024-08-22 18:14:07 +0000 UTCKimmy has never been able to articulate to Josh his importance to her in a way he can accept and get past the things he's seen. He sees his value to her in what I'd refer to as more "surface level" things. The things our primitive brains feel are "manly" qualities. His ability to provide financially and sexually. In his mind, he doesn't give her anything she needs for either, so what good is he? And yes, some of that, at least the sexual part, is something Kimmy did a lot to cause. As she admits, she did start up with Devlin and found she liked it, before Josh and his role in it were a thought. But...when she talks about how the idea Josh liked it, and was getting into it, drove her desire for it, I also buy that. If all she wanted was sex with a whopper, she'd be out doing that. Her perception of Josh and what he wants did end up driving a lot of her enjoyment over time. If it was just about her, she would have indulged with Devlin/Amy in the apartment. Or over the last year (again, I do feel she's being honest about the not being with a man part). But there just isn't a great way for her to communicate that to Josh after all that happened to get them here. You can see she understands that, but it also frustrates her. And Josh closes himself off immediately when she makes any attempt. It's a hard road, a long road, that's gonna take time.
JL23
2024-08-22 18:04:18 +0000 UTCTo your point about the cuckold thing, I think it's telling that Kimmy just doesn't get they Josh's hang up isn't what she's saying, it's how she says it, and worse, how she did/does it. I firmly believe there is a way to get Josh to accept and be okay with it. She's just going about it 100% wrong. Partially because she's so damn desperate she's not thinking straight, but also because she's Kimmy, and she just can't help but push her vision as truth. I think you're right about the time jumps. I get the feeling we may have one next chapter? Perhaps not if Hyun gets involved when Josh goes back to Sophie, but this feels like a bit of a finale for this meeting.
L_S87
2024-08-22 17:57:41 +0000 UTCAt this point, I don't think she cares, as long as he stays. So we seem to be setting up for a long road here, where Josh is living there but their marriage continues to be strained. Wonder if we're going to start getting some shorter time jumps per chapter, maybe advancing a week or so each time to see what, if any, progress is being made with their communication and relationship. I know this is a cuckold story and I get everyone wants that, but I'd also like to get some scenes of Josh bonding with his daughter. You should reconcile just for a kid, but she can be something they both focus on and share and can be a route to rebuilding.
JL23
2024-08-22 17:44:22 +0000 UTCYou know, that last paragraph just hit me. I initially just took it at face value. But how devastating must that be for Kimmy that Josh isn't staying because she begged him, but because he puts more value on keeping Sophie happy then he does her? Brutal.
L_S87
2024-08-22 17:32:11 +0000 UTCI agree, I think she very purposefully said "man" not "anyone". It's a clear and telling omittance. What that truly means, I'm not sure. It could be she has only slept with her a couple times in a moment of weakness or that it's a weekly thing. What feels clear, to me, is that you guys are all right. She's not lying about Stone. She isn't seeing him. That photo was a business party thing, and she probably screwed up not wearing the ring, but then again, maybe she didn't want it to appear like a married wife cheating. I don't know. What I do know is Kimmy wants this, but she doesn't know how to get it, because she's doing everything wrong. Well, not everything. She stopped before it went so far that she'd never retrieve it back. So maybe, just maybe, if she can get her head on straight, she can start working this the right way and then hopefully point back to this as the moment she could have continued doing wrong but didn't. Because she loves him. How Hyun and a confession about that fits in, I don't know. Maybe that will be the final darkness. If she gets Josh back, she still has her little Hyun thrill in her back pocket to scratch that cheating itch.
L_S87
2024-08-22 17:22:09 +0000 UTCYou are SO right about the communication thing, JL. It's part of why I felt Josh giving in was so off. There is SO much wrong between them right now, there is no easy fix. If there even is a fix. Hell, the last part of their conversation, the one Kimmy said was lies... They weren't. *Both* of them were telling the truth. But only half of it. And both are so irrational with each other right now, fighting for what they want and need, they can't even stop to communicate properly or see the truth both are giving. A half of a whole. But now less than half because Josh is too angry to find acceptance and Kimmy is too terrified to stop making mistakes because it's easier to rely on what she's good at. At least she's willing to admit that their main issue is her inability to do what she logically knows she needs to in order for this to work. Yeesh. If she could have pulled her head out of her ass for half a second and just focused on the minor victory of getting him to stay, she'd have had months to work on the rest of it. Instead she made it a million times worse by reminding Josh of *exactly* why he initially left in the first place before coming back only for her to bounce. What. A. Fucking. Mess. God, Kimmy. He just wants you to not do this one thing, and you can't even do that. I wish they could be together...but how when they're this dysfunctional??
L_S87
2024-08-22 17:13:18 +0000 UTCIf I had to, I'd say it's more likely truth than not, if only because of the lack of psychic noise in Kimmy's POV when she said it and the lack of much runway left in the book to detail an entirely new affair (I guess there could be a final chapter twist that she secretly sees Devlin casually when he's in town?). In any case, like JL says, Hyun in my mind is the big shoe still left to drop.
Glaucon
2024-08-22 16:50:16 +0000 UTCI do think that's honest Bill, the only caveat being the "man" clarify and therefore I cannot rule out in a moment of loveliness/weakness she sought out Hyun for comfort. Again, going to back to the look Hyun gave Josh when she first saw him, it could make sense she was doing that because she knows his reentrance means an end to the kind of relationship she has with Kimmy.
JL23
2024-08-22 16:47:47 +0000 UTCJL and Glaucon, I believe Kimmy is telling the truth now. When she says, “I haven’t been with a man, Josh. Not since the last day I saw you. I’ve been so busy. So busy trying to make things right.” I believe her. What do you think? Could somebody as cunning and devious as her ever really change? And have we seen the last of Devlin? I have a feeling that answer is no.
Bill H.
2024-08-22 16:36:45 +0000 UTCThat's a fair read, but on the other hand she's been on "one last chance" since like, what, five chances ago? And as many have pointed out, she's still not come clean about A LOT, including Hyun. Is it plausible that these two could ever build real trust again?
Glaucon
2024-08-22 16:30:56 +0000 UTCOkay KT. Here it is. Plate full of crow. Sitting in front of me. I'm eating it. You're pretty damn amazing to churn something like this out with so many of us being skeptical, sharing our frustration due to impatience. I wanted Kimmy to earn it. Now I just feel awful because she's ruined so much and it's killing her, emotionally if not physically. Now I wonder where we go from here...
L_S87
2024-08-22 16:29:56 +0000 UTCBut...she stopped herself, and tried honesty, at least a level of it with him. So I'd take that as progress. Baby steps.
JL23
2024-08-22 16:26:50 +0000 UTCSo, I think that chapter will make those who want to see Kimmy have to "earn" Josh back a bit more satisfied. I will say though, she does say she hasn't been with a "man" in a year. That doesn't preclude a woman, for those waiting for Hyun to complicated this further. I'd have to think this Kimmy, who can now see hasn't forgotten the events leading up to her leaving, would realize that messing around with Hyun would only make her stated goal of being with Josh harder...but I can't say there's no chance she hasn't gone to Hyun for "comfort." This was a pretty detailed POV, with A LOT of what we've been hoping for, so I'm going to take it at face value. The idea she'd lie about being with the father to Josh in the moment, to try and keep him from leaving, makes sense to me. I'm glad she realized that was not the way to go about it too. And that the chapter indicated this is going to be a prolonged struggle for her is what we wanted to see as well. As always, these two need to learn to communicate with each other. This was a first step, but a realistic reconciliation, and maybe an ability to move forward with some form of their "game" would take some time given all that happened. That seems where we're heading, but as always there could be curveballs. Is Kimmy being honest about not having been with Stone, or a man in a year. I personally think she is. Interested to hear what others think though. Is she lying, or is there a Hyun "complication" she isn't revealing? Do we still think she's hiding something about the job and what she did to get to here? I didn't get any sense of that in this chapter. Maybe she was really just waiting for Josh to make the first move before initiating a plan to win him back, and there's nothing in particular about the job she's ashamed about.
JL23
2024-08-22 16:25:53 +0000 UTCSee, presumably their relationship was built on something prior to book one. They'd been married, together for years. There were other paths forward for her to attempt reconciliation, she chose this one. It's kind of fucked up that after everything that's happened her decision on the path forward is to fake a NEW affair. I think it speaks to the negative shift in her psyche that the novels have detailed.
Glaucon
2024-08-22 16:23:24 +0000 UTCCould be some of that, but I also buy what she's saying cause it's one of the things I thought about. She just is terrified Josh is going to leave and give up, on her at least. And the only thing she knew to get him to stay was to play to the kink. I can buy that, in the moment. But I'm also kind of heartened to see she thought enough to stop it, and at least try to go to a place of honesty. But she can't rebuild that instantly.
JL23
2024-08-22 16:16:30 +0000 UTCI'm thinking now KT gave Meyer the broken arm to make Kimmy's act here with Devlin's dad less horrible, to soften the impact on Josh so to speak, for what was ultimately a meaningless deception (especially given she does nothing to disabuse him of the clear impression it gives for, what, months?). Still strangely awful of her, even now when she seemingly wants to repair things. But maybe it's like Josh is saying here and she can't really conceive of other ways to build a relationship back up other than through manipulation. And obviously, as discussed in this chapter, she really does like hurting him.
Glaucon
2024-08-22 16:06:06 +0000 UTC