DITW 15-10: (Untitled)
Added 2024-08-28 21:28:57 +0000 UTCThey ate Sophie’s homemade ice cream in awkward silence. The sounds of spoons clanking on pottery were too loud. Josh sat in the same spot where he’d first met his daughter, Hyun sat on the other side of the table, and Sophie sat with Josh, peppering him with questions, while Josh asked her again how she made such good ice cream. And Sophie would answer with amusing insight, telling her uncle how it was all in the quality of the ingredients, that there were no additives in her ice cream, only real cream and real candied walnuts her mom let her buy at the grocery store and how she put in real maple syrup, not that flavored corn syrup. Josh was playful with Sophie, but still somber. She could practically feel in sympathy the hurting of his stomach, the uneasiness he felt being reunited with the woman he believed had caused him the greatest harm in life.
The urge to express herself whole and heartily was sedated by the history of her harm. She would come on too strong; she would spook him; she would say the wrong thing; fuck, she would try to seduce him into bed with lurid talk of another man, like she used to.
But Josh had enjoyed those times. It wasn’t her imagination.
Once Josh finished Sophie’s ice cream she was convinced he would announce it was time for him to go home. She set her spoon down, unable to finish.
From the other room came the cries of a waking baby. Kimmy set her unfinished bowl on the table. Hyun moved like she would go, but Kimmy told her she would get her.
“She’s had a big day today. I thought she might sleep straight through.”
Hyun insisted. “Let me go. You sit with Josh.”
Kimmy said, “I think she might be hungry.” But Colleen wasn’t hungry. Just bored or restless. But if Hyun left her alone with Josh, Josh would take that opportunity to depart. He wouldn’t if she’d left the room; he would wait to see her again.
Wouldn’t he?
*
Kimmy left to take care of Colleen, and Josh set his empty bowl of ice cream down on the table near Kimmy’s. He said, “I have to say, Sophie. That was one of the finest ice creams I’ve ever had.”
Sophie beamed, and Hyun said, “And Josh has been to Italy.”
He smiled and said, “So, I know what I’m talking about. You, Sophie, have a talent for frozen desserts.”
Sophie went through a series of deflections, bashful, saying her mom helped her and how the machine did most of the work, but Josh persisted. “Thank you, Sophie. I enjoyed it immensely.”
She shrugged one teeny shoulder. “I know you like maple walnut.”
“Thank you for thinking of me,” he whispered.
Hyun said, “We should get these bowls in the dishwasher, Sophie. And it’s almost your bedtime.”
Sophie looked to her mother, then back to him, her face frozen in a slack kind of worry. She said to him, “Are you going to stay over?”
He smiled, held her arm. “Another time, Sophie.”
Sophie seemed undeterred, asking her mother if she could get them drinks. A heartbreaking distraction from a little girl living a disjointed life.
Why don’t you stay, asshole? Your baby’s here. Your wife is here.
Hyun said, “I’ll have a green tea. Can you take the bowls and put them in the dishwasher, please?”
Sophie agreed and stacked the ice cream bowls on one another, all the spoons in the top bowl and then held them precariously at her waist, toddling out of the room. Hyun stayed seated.
Josh said, “She’s so grown up now. She can load the dishwasher?”
“She doesn’t do it at your place?”
“I guess we all just pitch in,” he said, leaning forward, clasping his hands together, feeling uncomfortable alone with Hyun.
“I think you should stay.”
Josh looked up and regarded Hyun. Hyun usually quiet and one to keep her opinion to herself. There was a certain disgruntlement evident in her gaze. Like maybe she didn’t like Josh as much as she used to. And why the hell would she? Hyun sat in his place. Hyun had been with Kimmy when she gave birth. Hyun witnessed his disregard for Kimmy and his own baby, but without the knowledge of why.
“You do?”
“If you don’t want to be here, you should go. But you’re here. You’re here for a reason, right?”
“Of course, I—”
“There’s nothing for you at Meyer’s.”
Josh closed his mouth. “I know.”
“There’s everything for you here.” Hyun checked over her shoulder before speaking again, as if wary of Sophie returning with green tea. “You’ve been gone too long.”
Josh rubbed his face and took a deep breath. He steadied his gaze on Hyun. “And how about you? How would you feel about that?”
“If you stayed over? Why would I care?” She stared at his steadily but her jaw muscles rippled as she clenched her teeth.
He thumbed over his shoulder, out the window behind him to the carriage house. “And what if I stayed here for good—stayed out in the apartment?”
Hyun looked away, troubled, pursing her lips. “What if she didn’t care about you?”
“What do you mean?”
“What if she didn’t want you here? How would you feel?”
“Not good.”
Hyun looked his way again. “What if Kimmy moved on without you?”
“It’s like she has.”
“It’s not like that at all. . . . Imagine a time where she stops trying so hard to win you back. I don’t think you would like that. I don’t think you’re willing to watch her move on without you. You just like punishing her.
“You think that’s what I’m doing?”
“What other purpose does it serve? I don’t see any reason a man would act like you are.”
“Maybe that’s the problem. Maybe you’re not seeing something.”
Hyun sighed and crossed her arms, checking over her shoulder once more to make sure Sophie wasn’t returning. “I know what she did to you. I know everything she did. I know that as much as you hate it, there was something in there that you liked. Or at least something you had Kimmy believing you liked.”
Josh stood abruptly, anger rising in his blood, looking to bolt. “And the money for a house like this? Where did she get the money? I don’t care how much Stone is paying her, this house is out of her budget.”
“Ask her yourself. Don’t ask me. For once in your life, confront her. Make her tell you what you want to hear.”
Did he hide from the truth? Did he let her get away with lie after lie, and in time she thought telling lies her husband wanted to hear was better than telling the truth?
Now Sophie was returning, with teacup on saucer, blocking the easy exit from the hallway. Hyun got his attention before he could consider fleeing from the room’s other doorway, saying, “Kimmy punished herself Josh. I saw it. I held her hand through it.”
“Hey, Sophie,” he said, acknowledging his niece, arriving with an expression seeking praise for her dutiful nature. “You’re allowed to use the kettle?” Steam rose from the teacup.
Sophie said, “We have a machine.”
Hyun said, “She’s allowed to use the Keurig.”
Sophie set down her mother’s tea and Hyun ran her hands over her daughter’s shoulders, turning Sophie to face her. “Your Aunt Kimmy works very hard, doesn’t she?”
Sophie nodded, confused but agreeable.
“She worked hard to make this home for your Uncle Josh to return to. She’s done a lot to win him back.”
Sophie agreed with this as well. Hyun circled her arms around Sophie and hugged her from behind, her chin in Sophie’s collar. She said to Josh, “You should be flattered. I would be.”
*
Kimmy wasn’t in the other room, nor was Colleen. He paused at the crib. Empty, a blanket folded over the rail. A humidifier ran in the corner by a rocking chair, and the mobile above the crib still spun, geometric shapes in bright metal splintered the lamplight into sparkling reflections that danced on the walls.
He headed up the stairs, no one in the kitchen or in the office, up to the second floor, following the hall to the only room with a light on. Kimmy stood in the room at the end of the hall, the master bedroom, rubbing lotion on her wrists, looking at herself in the mirror. She acknowledged his presence as he leaned a shoulder on the door jamb, nodding his way but returning her attention to her reflection.
On the far side of the room, a small bundle kicked feet against the silk-case of a fuzzy pink blanket, obscured by the spindles of a white crib. A white noise generator set a low and peaceful fizz by the bedside.
He stepped into the room, circling behind her toward the crib. Photographs set in folding frames lined the dresser at his side. Black and white photos from their wedding. A photo of them together in color taken in Kingston when they were practically kids. Kimmy looked like a kid; so did he. He’d known her a long time.
Colleen mewled in her crib. He stood over her watching her, those beautiful eyes closed, whatever disgruntlement had her complaining ceasing and she began to settle. He turned to Kimmy, her back to him, but aware of him, her eyes tracking him over her shoulder’s reflection. Crossing the room to her, seemed inexorable. She was tall and lean, her hair pulled back, working lotion between long fingers.
All of this could be his. This house was his. That beautiful baby was his. This gorgeous, cunning woman was his. How much, though, did he like playing with fire?
He kissed her neck, her head tilted aside, eyes closing. He loved kissing her here. Loved it. His hands caressed the robe’s silk where it touched her hipbones.
“You smell amazing,” he said, and she did; talcum and musk and sugar.
She smiled in the mirror, and something gave way inside him, something like wire or cord; a tether. Seeing her smile at his kiss so honestly encouraged a swell of hope into his darkened heart. He hugged his cheek to her neck and held her for a long moment.
“What happened, Kimmy? What happened when you left me? You left me.”
“I left you because I love you.”
“I know. You said that. But what happened? You stayed away. You broke me and then you stayed away.”
“Because I was ashamed, Josh,” she whispered. Her nails stroked through his hair.
“You should have ended it.”
“I was pregnant with our baby. I didn’t want to end it.”
“You just needed time away? Did you think I would hurt less that way?”
She palmed his cheek, and he lifted his head, looking at her reflection. There was a lot unsaid in her shimmering eyes.
“What am I missing?”
“I was ashamed. Ashamed of the things you know I did.”
“Yeah?”
Her lips pursed, parted, then pursed again. At last she said, “And ashamed of the things you didn’t know.”
He stepped back, letting his touch fall from the silk, a hot and sick feeling tightening his belly. Those old blasts of betrayal battered his shields. His heart raced. Another step back; Kimmy turned to face him.
He said, “What don’t I know about?”
Kimmy looked down, lips slimming, biting them, then looked up. She said, “I stole money, Josh. A lot of money.”
Comments
Oh, man Chris! Now that's what I would call a dark ending!
Bill H.
2024-08-30 18:18:01 +0000 UTCTo me, it feels like Josh kind of has to exorcise that devil himself, in some way. I don’t know if it can just be Kimmy that did it, at least for Josh to feel a sense of closure and have the ability to truly move on. I don’t think Devlin would come back seeking to entangle them in some kind of sexual game, but I could see him coming back for something else. Revenge maybe? And Josh needing to be the one who helps end it, once and for all.
JL23
2024-08-30 15:56:10 +0000 UTCMaybe it'll end with Josh waking up happy in his new garage apartment, happy with life, only to find Devlins big dripping dick hanging over his face saying "I missed that pussy!". The end.
Chris K
2024-08-30 15:56:01 +0000 UTCJosh is in some ways afraid to ask the right questions, for fear of the truth. And Kimmy is afraid to answer those questions, for fear of how Josh will react to the truth. Classic character tension in a story like this. Hopefully, the end of this chapter indicates that’s over, and they’re finally going to have a fully honest conversation where truth is laid bare, and decisions are made from those truths.
JL23
2024-08-30 15:52:57 +0000 UTCI appreciated Hyun’s “kick in the ass” here. Regardless of what she knows or doesn’t know, Josh needed to hear it.
Kat
2024-08-30 15:48:03 +0000 UTCI hope after all this time we get a complete ending, not one with unanswered questions. I’d either like to see them together living in the house, or apart doing whatever. We’ve spent so much time, and I know I’ve invested so much emotion on these two. I could go for a longer ending.
Kat
2024-08-30 15:45:38 +0000 UTCI would kind of like to know how Kimmy got rid of him, if only in a flashback memory type thing. Nothing with Devlin in the present. I don’t think that would work here.
Kat
2024-08-30 15:42:07 +0000 UTCYou always say things so much better than me! Kimmy is devoted, and Josh needs the courage to ask the questions he needs the answers to.
Kat
2024-08-30 15:40:39 +0000 UTCRedemption through retribution was definitely what Kimmy was going for, at least partially, when she went after Devlin with her scheme. Although there's probably more then a small part of Josh that would love the idea of what Kimmy did to Devlin, I think he'd trade any and all if it to remove the stain of betrayal and hurt that's fractured their relationship. I think Josh would rather hear about how Kimmy is going to help repair their relationship rather than a tale of bringing Devlin low. I think *maybe* Kimmy has figured they out, finally? Hard to say. She's so fraught with a desire not to lose Josh that she's been rather spastic. Inside and out.
L_S87
2024-08-30 15:03:14 +0000 UTCI think that Devlin will resurface full of grievance and spite. Kimmy is better in the boardroom and probably better at social functions. 'Dev ' had a big ole crush on Kimmy there at the end and was looking forward to spending more time harassing the cuckold house husband and his 'secret crush', Josh. Another source of resentment for Devlin is that Kimmy represents his 'masterwork', a frumpy cat basket maker who Professor Henry Higgins transforms into a whip smart lawyer with super model looks and a multi-orgasmic, squirting, sexual athlete only to have her snatched away by his father and fate. Also the Child is Josh's. I hope and Pray Josh can step up.
Steve McCarty
2024-08-30 13:13:42 +0000 UTCMy reply was not ad hominem, and I have read your opinions and don't find fault with most of them, recently. I have serious reservations about anything that smacks of redemption through retribution. I also believe that Josh has more than enough courage to ask. In the past, however, Kimmy has not been able to articulate coherent replies to some such questions... when associated to her trauma... a not uncommon symptom of trauma. Good luck, Kimmy... and Josh!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-30 12:54:03 +0000 UTCYeah, that's what I'm thinking, too. Devlin's been such a big part of the story from the beginning in the tent. It's hard for me to accept that he's just gone to Vancouver and that's the end of him. I have a gut feeling, and I don't have any quotes or proof to back this up, but I feel right at or near the end when it looks like there's going to be a fairytale ending, the devil will appear to upend everything. It just seems that after all Kimmy has done to Josh, all the pain and suffering she's caused him, she should have to pay a stiffer price than a year in a self-imposed exile. I don't know, maybe she has paid more and we just don't know what it is yet. I hope I'm wrong and everyone lives happily ever after.
Bill H.
2024-08-30 12:52:11 +0000 UTCEh, I don't think it's useless as long as she acts on it. If Josh could see these sorts of thoughts, he'd probably not be as twisted up as he is. Kimmy if very flawed, but she is devoted, I think. Josh just doubts that devotion because her betrayal has wounded his psyche. He needs reassurance. Hyun rightfully pointed out that said reassurance doesn't come from her answering questions, it comes from Kimmy answering them. And Josh having the courage to ask them.
L_S87
2024-08-30 12:26:01 +0000 UTCBut it's what was wanted, isn't it? Confirmation of Kimmy's widely recognized two dimensionality... matched only by the single(?) quote of Devlin's cerebral product. I pointed it out not for its insight but for its uselessness and futility. Because seemingly Kimmy's worst words and actions are incontrovertible and irredeemable... Josh is all the evidence needed. It is unforgivable that he should be betrayed... Gasp! Perhaps she wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition, or a Witch Hunt! What was Devlin's name originally? What would have happened if he were called Bert? Or Ernie? Greater or lesser vilification?
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-30 12:07:56 +0000 UTCYou bring up good points, Kat. I'm in a place where I feel like it would be just as wrong not to bring it up because Josh has touched on it too many times for it to be easily washed away and forgotten. Yes, them discussing it creates complications, but then not discussing it also creates plot holes that never get filled. It's not like Josh would have to tell Meyer. Or even if he did, it's not as if they couldn't keep it to themselves. I mean, Kimmy happily aired Josh's dirty laundry, or at least some of it, to Hyun. And this was the man she says she loves and no one else. Yet she'll put more effort into protecting Hyun then she will him? That would be in character for Kimmy, to a degree, but I feel like it wouldn't make much sense for Josh to agree to live there and not want the truth of Kimmy and Hyun. He's *so* worried about betrayal, as noted at the end with his reaction, that he wouldn't see it as anything other than another betrayal if Kimmy were to keep secrets about her and Hyun. It could be as simple as saying things happened, but I'm not discussing them for Hyun's sake, but they won't happen ever again. I'm not sure Josh would trust that, but it would at least address what is clearly an elephant in the room. I understand protecting Hyun, but if Kimmy is not lying and says she's truly putting Josh first, then that means also putting him first about this, regardless of Hyun's feelings.
L_S87
2024-08-30 11:29:36 +0000 UTCI hope not, because Devlin is an asshole that, with all of Kimmy's flaws, she did do a service to Josh to dispose of him. If she did. I hope so. I kinda feel like anything involving Devlin would be an immediate non starter for Josh, given how much he's struggling already. The instant Kimmy brought up what he didn't know, you could see him immediately withdrawing, scared of how bad the betrayal would be. Josh has massive emotional PTSD. I think anything with Devlin would trigger that hard. But, you're right, he has been out of the picture for a bit, and him showing back up to ruin what little is going right would be 100% up his alley.
L_S87
2024-08-30 11:17:24 +0000 UTCKimmy worried her actions might have consequences? *Gasp* Perish the thought!
L_S87
2024-08-30 11:12:58 +0000 UTCBased on what Hyun's saying, I think that's accurate. It's probably part of the issue of why Hyun is pushing on Josh so hard, to the point of being unfair and too hard on him. She's seen what Kimmy has done for the last year. Held her hand through it as she pointedly stated. But she hasn't seen what Josh has been through. She thinks she knows, but she's wrong and has formed an opinion based off of flawed information and a biased view point. It's why I like her so much here. She's far from perfect, but she's doing what she thinks is right for Kimmy, even if she's not above beating up Josh not realizing he doesn't really deserve it. In the end, deserves or not, it's probably exactly what he needed to hear. A kick in the ass, deserved or not, was the right medicine.
L_S87
2024-08-30 11:06:27 +0000 UTCI would personally like a bit more, so we can have a section of a few chapters showing Josh living a happy life, if that's in the cards. Past experience kind of indicates that's unlikely to happen, but we'll see. As much as I don't want it to end that way, given the overall tone, I think what you're saying makes sense on things not ending cleanly, or even happily. It's been setup so far that it *could* end well for Kimmy and Josh, but there's still a lot that could go wrong because there's a lot we don't know that's hidden in the shadows. We'll see!
L_S87
2024-08-30 11:00:09 +0000 UTCI would agree with you, Bill, on Hyun's responses and why she gives them. Her responses are a bit harsh, but understandable given the circumstances of how she feels and what she likely knows, which is why I doubt she truly knows everything. We disagree on Josh, which is fine. What you call wish fulfillment i call character development. When your character acts one way repeatedly then acts a different way because it's convenient for the scene, I don't care for that and I'll point it out. Yes, it's my opinion, but it is how I see things. We've never agreed on that, and we probably never will. You can continue to call KTs writing perfect, because it is, for you. And that's all that really matters, for you. I'm glad you're enjoying this. I am enjoying it too, but as I've said multiple times, if I think something is wrong, it's a disservice to KT to keep my mouth shut and offer false praise. At the end of it, the chapter was beautiful in how it ended, and I loved Hyun being the one to deliver this message. She was the right choice and I'm glad KT saw that, because I sure didn't.
L_S87
2024-08-30 10:01:01 +0000 UTC“I’m going back to the house. I don’t want to be in here with you right now. In this prison." A prison for them both I think it's safe to infer.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-30 08:15:23 +0000 UTC"But its presence also summoned another thought: this man is so done with you, his smile is his way of showing how you can’t hurt him anymore. You don’t mean anything to him." An actual, conflicted quote from Kimmy's thoughts.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-30 08:09:47 +0000 UTCI still feel strongly that Devlin is lurking somewhere waiting to make his final appearance in this story. I don't feel this is going to end cleanly or "Disney-like". I think the ending is going to be messy and hurtful but with Kimmy and Josh together with Colleen.
Bill H.
2024-08-30 08:03:45 +0000 UTCI don't know about the rest of you, but knowing everything about... well, anything has not been a major ingredient of reality for me. Realistically, life has been frustratingly loaded with ignorance... which may be a blessing in disguise... Right, Josh? It wasn't ignorance that fucked you over after all. Though what you don't know 'can' hurt you... Ignorance is bliss has a fleeting but undeniable attraction... while it lasts. Also knowing everything is extremely unrealistic... and often inconvenient... and definitely impracticable! So spare us only the necessary details, would be my best bet.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-30 07:56:43 +0000 UTCI agree D. Personally I find it distasteful that all of a sudden it is OK to talk as though KT might not know what she's doing... and second guess her intentions. I put it down to the excitement, that all her hard skilful work has conjured in their receptive minds, having caused them to take leave of their senses... Now that the 'nigh'ness of the end looms ever closer... they may even be suffering from delusions of grandeur.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-30 07:02:19 +0000 UTCI think I know the character of Josh as well as anyone else and don't see this Josh not being Josh malarky as anything but reader wish fulfilment... Josh has no reason, given his feelings of guilt, to treat Hyun with anything but respect just as she does him... She warns him that Kimmy is ripe to talk to... but this may not last forever. The characters talk naturally to each other given the circumstances and Hyun, as I too suspect JL is right that she is still under the impression that Josh colluded in involving his wife in fucking Devlin, is pretty tactful in how she expresses herself... with modesty, which is apparently only appreciated by Josh and his ilk nowadays.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-30 06:32:14 +0000 UTCHope not. But possibly
Chris K
2024-08-30 04:09:34 +0000 UTCConsidering we’re at chapter 10 on the last book, do you think the ending could be this encounter/ dinner. At the pace it’s going it could take another 10 chapters for Kimmy to explain everything to Josh. He could then decide to stay over and that’s how it ends. A bit like the last Geoff and Nia scene in Cherry Blossoms.
Tracey52
2024-08-30 02:44:22 +0000 UTCYeah, I want to know who was at the party, too. It’s not like Kimmy has any friends. I also want to know what she’s told her family about Josh’s absence. Did she defend Josh’s actions, or did she throw him under the bus? There are some gaps and questions that need answers to make some of this believeable. I mean, Josh’s parents don’t know about Colleen, but Meyer does?
Kat
2024-08-29 19:38:36 +0000 UTCI don't think we really know how people feel about Kimmy after a year. Seems like she's not in contact with Karina, but we don't really know what Meyer thinks of her now, he did go to the afternoon party though he said that was for Sophie. And he has been in contact with her, at least in terms of having to pick up Sophie. Also, Josh doesn't have a true advocate probably because he's not been able to tell someone the truth. Unless he's told Meyer or Karina, which I kind of doubt, at least not all of it. But Karina doesn't seem in the picture now, and perhaps Meyer has learned more from Hyun as well that makes him look at the situation differently. It seems like his general attitude is more Josh should be there for Colleen but otherwise try to move on with his life. But that's pretty much only based on his "stop pining" comment from early in this book. That could mean either move on, or make a move to get her back if you still want her. Also, who exactly was at this party in the afternoon? Again, I'll scratch Karina off the list. We know Meyer was there. Seems like Devlin's father was not there. Maybe her father and sister? We know Josh's parents weren't. I guess on top of everything else we don't know, I'm curious exactly what this party was and who was there. We assume it was a housewarming type thing, but I don't think it was ever confirmed.
JL23
2024-08-29 19:24:44 +0000 UTCIt is kind of funny (not haha funny) that Kimmy, who has done some of the worst stuff ever to her husband, has a loyal advocate. Whereas, Josh, who almost died as the consequence of her actions, and is suffering from crippling anxiety, doesn’t.
Kat
2024-08-29 19:06:31 +0000 UTCMan is this a roller coaster! As much as I want this to finish I'm enjoying it!
RCH
2024-08-29 19:04:20 +0000 UTCI kinda feel like she's sticking up for Kimmy to Josh because no one else will. They all view Kimmy poorly and because of how much she loves Kimmy, she probably sees it as unfair because they don't know what she does because Kimmy told her "everything". Probably a mixture of rose colorsed glasses and feeling it's unfair Kimmy has no advocate. Funny because Josh has a bunch of friends but no real advocate either. Or at least none that aren't sidelined in the story and don't play the role Hyun does. Sure, Josh has Meyer, but you don't see him there defending Josh's actions against Hyun's accusations.
L_S87
2024-08-29 18:37:50 +0000 UTCWhile I feel like Hyun was wrong in dumping so much of her angst on Josh, and she's wrong to portray this as him only wanting to punish Kimmy (though we know there is a part of him that does), you are right that he needed to hear that from Hyun. It was her best line of the discussion. A kick in the ass to force them to talk this out. She may be wrong on blaming Josh for Kimmy's actions, but she's 100% right on this.
L_S87
2024-08-29 18:25:48 +0000 UTCKimmy and Josh are both self centered, and terrible communicators. We are still missing a chunk of the story from Kimmy’s side. It might make more sense if/when we find out,
Kat
2024-08-29 18:09:59 +0000 UTCYeah, Hyun’s attitude says a lot. She may not know everything, but it makes me question things because Meyer had to have said something to her about what happened with Josh. They were all at the hospital together. She saw how everyone treated Kimmy, too. She must know Kimmy cheated on Josh, whether he liked some of it or not.
Kat
2024-08-29 18:07:48 +0000 UTCHyun was right when she told Josh for once in his life ask her the questions he needs answers to. It’s like she was saying, “I’m not doing the work for you.” Think about it from her side. She loves Kimmy, and wants to be with her, but instead she’s helping Josh, who, in her mind, only wants to punish Kimmy. I agree with you. I want to know what happened with Kimmy, too. What did she discuss with Aaron Berg on that phone call outside of Devlin’s apartment? Did she quit over the phone? Did Stone make her work off her debt (take that any way you want to. Ha!)? Was she disbarred? Did she have a confrontation with Devlin? How did she get his job? Regardless of whether these details are relevant to the current storyline, I want to know what happened.
Kat
2024-08-29 18:05:17 +0000 UTCI don’t really see how Kimmy at least wouldn’t see that. Even if she’s exiled herself from Josh as a punishment, all he can see is her seemingly moving on without him, with all these great things. He’d have no way of knowing he was the actual motivation for Kimmy achieving all these “successes,” to the extent they’re actually real. It’s quite self-centered, but then again Kimmy and Josh have both shown quite a bit of that throughout. There have been points in other books where Kimmy described something that happened with Devlin to Josh, and then we got to see what actually happened, or vice versa. I’d rather we didn’t get that here, as it would indicate Kimmy is still manipulating Josh. But maybe there are little “omissions” we see in flashback form.
JL23
2024-08-29 17:10:18 +0000 UTCI don't particularly care for flashbacks, although it may be beneficial here because it's sometimes hard to trust Kimmy's version of things, so seeing it as it happened would be nice. I do find it interesting that based off what both Kimmy and Hyun have said, Kimmy has spent the last year in self imposed exile, choosing to punish herself for her sins as a way to atone for everything she did wrong, yet neither she nor Hyun seem to have picked up on the fact that said exile also forcibly punished Josh, and he didn't even get a say in it. I think Kimmy might finally be picking up on that fact based on the way she's acting, but Hyun clearly didn't.
L_S87
2024-08-29 16:10:06 +0000 UTCActually, Zach, I think KT dealt incredibly efficiently with the large amount of needed info Kimmy had to drop via Hyun. KT's ability to wrap up the whole situation without forcing the ending should not be underestimated.
Donkatsu
2024-08-29 15:56:12 +0000 UTCYeah, I can definitely see your interpretation Kat. It would explain a lot of Hyun’s behavior as we’ve seen her in this book. She wants Kimmy to have what Kimmy wants, but she’s sad that person isn’t her. And she’s a bit mad at the person Kimmy does want for making her “suffer” for his love (in her eyes). I really hope this next chapter is when we finally get some answers on everything that happened in the last year to Kimmy. I’ve had enough of Josh not asking the questions, or Kimmy deflecting when he does. I left cause I love you, or I want you cause you’re my husband, are not good enough answers any more. Kimmy needs to give some real answers, and Josh needs to give her time to answer all of them before rushing to a judgment.
JL23
2024-08-29 15:53:43 +0000 UTCI wonder if the next chapter will start with a flashback to the phone call Kimmy made to Stone’s lawyer outside of Devlin’s apartment? I hope we get the whole story, whether or not she actually gets in trouble. I think she could have been disbarred. I just want to know what happened. I think Kimmy’s true punishment has been losing her relationship with Josh. She’s been in a jail of her own making.
Kat
2024-08-29 15:48:48 +0000 UTCHow does Kimmy tell Josh without hurting Hyun’s relationship with Meyer, and hurting Sophie’s relationship with all of them? Right now Sophie lives with all of them. She’s learned to live with divorced parents and in two homes. The tension/separation between Kimmy and Josh has also affected her. A disagreement over this would make it worse for her. Josh and Meyer may have suspicions about Hyun’s sexuality, but finding out for real, and then learning Kimmy was with her while Josh and Kimmy were still together is another thing. Complications aside, I don’t know how KT opens up another can of worms like this, and has the time to adequately work through it with so little time left in the book. I agree with JL, that Josh might have an easier time dealing with it happening during Kimmy’s wicked period, rather than the past year where she was supposed to be punishing herself.
Kat
2024-08-29 15:30:31 +0000 UTCI forgot about that hug in the kitchen, L_S. Now rereading it, it speaks volumes to me. Kimmy knows this is hard for Hyun, and she loves her, I’m sure, but not in the way Hyun wishes. I still think she may have confessed more than we think to her. Hyun seemed to be willing to do and accept anything for Kimmy. She wanted to be her person, but that job is only available for Josh.
Kat
2024-08-29 15:19:37 +0000 UTCI saw it as a “tough love” type of thing. Yes, she’s bitter and jealous, but I think she wants what’s best for Kimmy and for the baby. She probably does see both of them squandering this opportunity they have to start again.
Kat
2024-08-29 15:16:31 +0000 UTCYes, I feel like with Keith no longer fulfilling a sexual role in the story this allows for the return of Devlin. How exactly? I'm not sure, but I remain hopeful. He would have to be reintroduced in a way that's not only realistic but also in such a way that he is able to establish his role as a hull in the Kimmy/Josh cuckold relationship. The biggest problem with that scenario in my opinion is that there may not be enough pages left in DITW for this to occur.
Zach
2024-08-29 14:41:57 +0000 UTCHuh. Never thought if it that way, from Josh's PoV, I mean. I can see that. Where he'd be upset she cheated and hid even more from him, because part of "punishing" herself was withholding having sex with Hyun. Although I don't think that's what happened, as she made sure to say "man" last chapter. I don't know. Would it truly be worse to continue to take comfort from Hyun while she put things back together? Or would Josh see it as proof that she didn't really punish herself too much since she still kept getting something she wanted while he had "nothing". I think Josh kind of layed the Karina thing to rest when he pointed out they did nothing, he just needed a friend. But, I could see Kimmy pointing out she needed a "friend" too, and she thought he was doing something with Karina so she availed herself of Hyun in a similar way, not realizing the truth of what was going on. What I do think, is that while you guys aren't wrong that Kimmy doesn't *need* to tell Josh about Hyun, I feel like she should. We've had instance after instance of just how betrayed Josh feels when he gets info third party. He's got enough suspicions already that if Kimmy didn't say anything and he found out later, it will be betrayal and trauma all over again. It will be up to Kimmy to decide if the risk is worth the reward of laying it all out on the table for Josh's acceptance so they have a true blank slate.
L_S87
2024-08-29 13:47:53 +0000 UTCI guess you can look at Hyun’s line “Kimmy punished herself. I saw it. I held her hand through it” a couple different ways. It could indicate nothing sexual was happening between them the last year, but “held her hand” could indicate some level of “comfort” was being provided. I’m kind of the opposite of L_S87, I think it’d be easier for Josh to accept Kimmy being with Hyun before, when we she was truly “wicked,” rather than if they were together in the last year. To me, he’d see that as proof that nothing had changed, that Kimmy didn’t really “punish” herself at all. That even if she wanted to, Kimmy could never change. Perhaps unfair given he tried to move on with Karina, but that’s how I’d think he see it. But seems like we’ll probably find out in the next few chapters.
JL23
2024-08-29 12:55:47 +0000 UTCI am more glad than ever to see such a brilliant writer going about her business skilfully. It's a privilege... and a pleasure. With good reason, my faith in you has never flagged nor dwindled, rather the opposite... I await each new chapter with a bitter sweet eagerness for the denouement of such a transcendent tour de force.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-29 12:06:42 +0000 UTCFamiliarity breeds contempt even when given ample opportunity to show respect... and cause to!
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-29 11:37:40 +0000 UTCLike it...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-29 11:24:22 +0000 UTCGreat observation, Pete. I think Josh's reaction would largely be predicated on how often and when the last time they were together, if Kimmy is willing to share that. Or maybe more importantly, how does Kimmy feel about Hyun and is it an ongoing thing where Kimmy will expect Josh to "share". Hyun's emotions here make me feel like they've been close rather recently, and she's being asked to give up something she doesn't want to, but knows is best for Kimmy, or at least what Kimmy wants. I think the challenge for Josh would be knowing Kimmy cheated with Hyun before the split. After, I think he'd get past it as Kimmy and Hyun comforting each other. Or rationalizing it that way. We'll see. I know that has to get wrapped up one way or another. I could actually see a stable and happy Josh accepting it, but this Josh? He'd have issues with Kimmy saying I only love and want you, but by the way... It would come across as another lie and manipulation that Josh just doesn't have the stomach for right now. It's part of why I was a bit hard on KT about Josh's lack of a proper reaction to Hyun blaming everything on him while saying she "knows everything" that Kimmy did.
L_S87
2024-08-29 11:17:39 +0000 UTCI like that idea, JL. For me, I don't think it rings true, her emotions, or the emotions Josh reads on her face, come across as being upset with Josh. Yes, that could be him "squandering" this "opportunity", but it feels more like someone who is trapped into doing the "right thing" because she knows it is, but absolutely hates it because it's not what she really wants. Mostly I attribute that to how much she attacks Josh here without showing any compassion, which is somewhat un-Hyun-like. Except when it comes to Kimmy. The hug they shared earlier tells me they're still close and that Kimmy knows this isn't easy on Hyun, but the way she acts here makes me wonder how close that is. Hopefully we don't get another Josh not being Josh scenario where he just passes on mentioning Hyun's actions to Kimmy after they discuss her theft.
L_S87
2024-08-29 10:58:11 +0000 UTCPossible title: Ice cream a dish best served cold.
Tracey52
2024-08-29 07:28:07 +0000 UTCI do wonder how Josh would react if he learns that Kimmy slept with Hyun. While it's possible that he's just as hurt by that as he was by her sleeping with Devlin, his reaction could be very different. Many men, for example, are comfortable sharing their girl with another woman, but not with another man. That's a double standard, perhaps, but I know several men who are wired that way. I'm not saying Josh feels that way, but I just don't think we know enough about his views on that to be sure how he'd react. In addition, Hyun is a VERY different person than his former bully, Devlin. And she's someone that Josh should know truly loves Kimmy (again, unlike Devlin).
Pete
2024-08-29 06:45:42 +0000 UTCReadability Note: There was a section of 4 lines where I was confused as to who was saying what during the discussion between Hyun and Josh. Beginning with "What if she didn't care about you?" I guess Hyun said that, but while reading it for the first time, I was completely uncertain.
Pete
2024-08-29 05:42:53 +0000 UTCI’m thinking Untitled is just that, untitled. KT did this before, I think in Book 11. She’s working towards the end of the book, and I’m assuming writing as we’re reading it. Maybe she wanted to get it out for us, and couldn’t decide on the title, and didn’t want to make us wait any longer?
Kat
2024-08-29 04:13:26 +0000 UTCAlso, should we read into why the title of this chapter is: Untitled? Or is it simply, it just doesn’t have a title? Lol, I just got used to finding some meaning in the titles chosen.
JL23
2024-08-29 03:59:57 +0000 UTCI don’t understand why Josh seems to be portrayed as the bad guy now? To me it would seem very believable that he would want to punish Kimmy and make her feel as bad as him. Does that make him a bad guy? Having sad that, he needs to be honest with himself, while not blaming himself, and accept he can’t live without Kimmy, especially now that she seems to understand the error of what she did and if we can believe he can trust her in the future. I think he can forgive her, but trusting her will be harder.
Tracey52
2024-08-29 03:56:35 +0000 UTCSorry to have missed out on the earlier discussion. However, tonight's entertainment at the local music house (Kennedy Center) can give us one way forward to the HEA so many hope to see: "Mama Mia" . At the end of that show, the couples are happy, Mama is happy and all the "Dads" are happy, on and off the little Greek isle. They are all dancing and singing to the house music. What more can you ask? Actually, a full confession from Kimmy, an admission from Josh, the return of a subdued but still massively dicked Devlin, and some solid reclamation sex. Apparently, Abba has hooked a new generation. There were hundreds of 20-somethings there, dressed up and dancing in their seats.
Donkatsu
2024-08-29 03:12:51 +0000 UTCWe ascribe negative connotations to how Hyun is responding to Josh here. And it's certainly possible, maybe even likely, that she's acting that way out of some level of jealousy, or seeing things with "Kimmy" colored glasses, etc. But another possibility is that this is a "tough love" get your act together or you're going to regret it type thing. And that she may also have tried this with Kimmy, to get her to act on what she wanted. Only reason I say that is we see at the beginning of the chapter that Kimmy desperately wants to explain herself to Josh, but is afraid of how he'll take it, afraid he'll leave for good. So she finds it safer to say nothing again. Maybe Hyun recognized she was withdrawing. Remember, Hyun offers to go look in on Colleen, and Kimmy waves her off. Perhaps Hyun realized what that meant, and decided to push Josh to confront her instead. Again, maybe not...but I'd find it plausible if she does know everything, and knows how badly Kimmy wants him back, that she would have also been encouraging Kimmy to take steps to make that happen too. And maybe seeing it slip away from them, she decided to act. That's probably me ascribing characteristics to Hyun we've never seen her show in the story before, but hey, it's possible.
JL23
2024-08-29 02:41:18 +0000 UTCThose are good points, Kat. I do see it plausible that Kimmy would tell her "everything" given the amount of time they've been together, but Hyun's responses make me feel like that's unlikely. Mostly because Hyun has always struck me as a calm and compassionate individual. Yet she's brutal to Josh here. Not an ounce of sympathy. She says in his place the only reason he would be doing this is to punish Kimmy?? Really??? That doesn't come across as someone who knows "everything". At least not to me. Not for her. If she did know it all, she'd have at least some sympathy for his position. Yes, I don't expect her to make it easy. Her jealousy would never allow that, and she's clearly jealous. So that even Josh picks it up. But given all that happened, if Hyun truly knew all of it. What he watched, what she lied about. I think she would have more compassion rather than a litany of accusations and a demand for him to "man up" and talk to her. Yes, this conversation clearly isn't easy for her. She's basically telling him to stay and ruin any outside chance she has with Kimmy, so she's disgruntled, but I dont think any level of jealousy would have someone like Hyun treating Josh like this if she knew everything that went before he almost killed himself.
L_S87
2024-08-29 02:24:12 +0000 UTCIt's possible she does, I just find it less plausible Kimmy would go into all the gory details with Hyun. A lot of what they worked through in the last year may have been related to the money. And that seems like it's still the driving force behind what forced Kimmy to leave and what she's really ashamed of. So I want to see how she explains it to Josh. And how he responds. Hopefully they air it all out without one of them shutting down, or leaving. But I would agree, there is a generally POV by characters in this book that Josh has stayed away more so than Kimmy. Hyun is explicit here, but also we have hints Meyer felt that way (maybe more about him staying away from Colleen, but still), and even Kimmy made some comments to that effect.
JL23
2024-08-29 02:10:52 +0000 UTCI’m thinking maybe Hyun actually does know everything. How would Kimmy explain Josh nearly drowning himself to death to her? How would she explain the cold response to her, his wife, at the hospital? And I’m sure Meyer must have filled her in on some of the details that he knew of. It’s obvious something really bad happened in their relationship for Josh to end up in that kind of situation. Kimmy told her about the money, so chances are she told her everything else, too. Kimmy was alone for a whole year. She was ashamed and pregnant and probably scared. I’m betting Hyun knows more than we think she does. She probably thinks (because she’s biased towards Kimmy) that if Josh loves her he needs to forgive her. She said it herself in Book 14, that if someone loves you they’ll forgive or they never loved you in the first place.
Kat
2024-08-29 01:55:38 +0000 UTCYeah, I guess it's been teased a bunch...this is maybe like the 3rd time we've seen Josh dancing around this idea about Hyun/Kimmy...so we're probably going to get something of a resolution for it. But I see the Hyun stuff as maybe harder for Josh to get over than anything about the money and Kimmy keeping that from him. I guess if it's truly in the past, and hasn't still been a thing for the last year, there's a way Josh could see it as part of everything else and find a way to move forward, if what he wants is to be with Kimmy above all else. I don't know how she can adequately explain still being involved with Hyun the last year, even using the "comfort" excuse, in a way that Josh could ever accept though. But it certainly seems like we're getting some level of payoff for that storyline.
JL23
2024-08-29 01:37:05 +0000 UTCYeah, that flattered line basically screams "I'm jealous as hell." And also probably indicates she doesn't really know "everything", otherwise she'd realize why it's not really flattering at all from Josh's perspective. Of course, her being in love, she'd always take Kimmy's side. Part of why I feel like it's somewhat inevitable for Josh to ask Kimmy about her and Hyun. It's waaaaaay too obvious, given how clearly disgruntled she is with all of this, that there's more there than just friends. And if Josh is going to stay in that house with both of them, he would want to know. Hell, Hyun is practically telling him he should ask because of how forceful she's being with him needing to confront Kimmy with all his questions.
L_S87
2024-08-29 01:25:00 +0000 UTCI agree with you, JL, that the end result was the right one, IE Josh confronting Kimmy again to talk this out. That was the important part of Hyun's message, that Kimmy hadn't left him behind, this was all for him and that he needed to talk to her to make this work. That she stayed away to punish herself, not him. Which is probably why I critiqued Hyun's revelation and Josh's response to it so much, because it isn't that pivotal to Josh being maneuvered by Hyun into the right direction for Kimmy, if not herself. But if that response is going to be given, instead of Hyun saying something like"Maybe I don't know but I do know I was here for the last year ...", then the conversation about what Kimmy did and Josh liking it deserved more depth. Mostly because the way Hyun phrases things would have never gotten a pass from Josh like he gave. That is too sore of a subject for him to act like she didn't even say it and simply jump to another topic. My opinion it would have been better if it had been omitted entirely. Although, there *is* a circumstance I can see in the next chapter where it may be pivotal, and perhaps that's why it was brought up. If Josh asks Kimmy about Hyun, and whether they've been sleeping together, I could see him pointing out that it's painful she spent all this time with Hyun, told her more than she did Josh, and now he's just supposed to be "flattered" that Kimmy feels awful without him?
L_S87
2024-08-29 01:15:21 +0000 UTCGood catch, Bill. That tripped me up too.
L_S87
2024-08-29 00:47:52 +0000 UTC"She stared at his steadily"... She stared at 'him' steadily.
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-29 00:38:33 +0000 UTCIt's possible Hyun doesn't know any more than we already are aware she knows, as least as far as the Kimmy/Josh/Devlin triangle goes. Maybe she just still knows that Kimmy slept with Devlin and Josh liked the idea of it happening. And thinks that's everthing, at least as far as Devlin is concerned. She likely knows a lot more about the money and how Kimmy got to this point, but Hyun knowing "everything" would entail Kimmy telling Hyun a lot of dirty laundry. Would Kimmy really do that, especially knowing a big reason why Josh fell in the lake was despair over thinking he told people the truth? I guess that's where I can also agree there's some inconsistencies in how Josh responds to that. I'd think his reaction to the idea Hyun knew it all wouldn't be to ask about the money. But I also honestly don't think we're influencing anything here, at least in ways our commentary has changed the ending as planned. I've only dabbled in short stories for my own fun, but I do know it can be hard to make everything fit into a tidy box all the time. It could be that, or it also could be all that will have an answer before we end here.
JL23
2024-08-29 00:33:22 +0000 UTCYeah, I guess my idea is the apartment was for Josh initially. But maybe the ultimate hope was for Josh to be in the house with her and they could then offer it to Meyer. Its just a random thought, probably doesn't fit. Reading Hyun's final line to Josh: "You should be flattered. I would be." A lot of meaning in that, maybe. But we've also never heard from Hyun directly, so we really are just assuming she ever thought there was a possible future with Kimmy.
JL23
2024-08-29 00:26:18 +0000 UTCIt's funny you have that take, Chris. I kinda see it that she's writing it the way she wants to, and is somewhat ignoring certain inconvenient plot points because it would steer the outcome in a way she didn't want. Not to say there's huge plot holes here, but I do feel like Josh's responses sometimes feel "steered" rather than organic. I'm sure I'm coming across a little harsh and picky to the point of being anal, but this series was SO good, and i wanted the ending to live up to that. It mostly has, there's just a few issues. As I said a few chapters ago, I want KT to see the feedback, good and bad. She's free to call me an overly critical jackass, but I want her to know how I feel because I think that's valuable knowledge that will help her build better books in the future. Even if it changes nothing, if the feedback helps her writing, I want to provide it.
L_S87
2024-08-29 00:19:59 +0000 UTCJL, while you're probably right about the Disney aspect, I love your idea of that being for Meyer, so he could be close to Sophie. It's not like He and Hyun have a contentious relationship, so I could see it working. Though I feel like the apartment *was* made for Josh. I'm pretty sure her original intent was to offer it and slow roll her way back into his good graces. Work at building what she knows she broke. But when Josh showed up, she couldn't do it. Old Kimmy reared her head and started messing it all up. Mostly because she was scared to death of this not going well, so she tried to force it. If the conversation goes smoothly, I could see Josh skipping the apartment. Especially since Hyun basically told him he should, not for Josh, but for Kimmy, because she needs it. I will say that I feel like Hyun's diatribe wasnt 100% true or fair. It didn't take into account Josh at all. She basically blamed everything on him. Didn't take into account Kimmy left him, she made it sound like he left her to punish her. Like it's unfair because her cheating was all his fault. None of that's true. That said, she did tell him exactly what he needed to hear in regards to asking why he was here, what he wanted and most importantly, that he needed to confront her and ask the questions he needed answers to rather than asking Hyun. Although again, I feel like that's still unfair. If Hyun knows "everything", then she knows about Kimmy's habitual lies and why Josh would struggle asking her anything. So yeah, like the way this went, but there's some plot holes here.
L_S87
2024-08-29 00:13:00 +0000 UTCLove that, JL, there are a lot of secrets in the Magic Kingdom in Unionville, for sure! 🤣🤣🤣
Kat
2024-08-28 23:59:26 +0000 UTCEverything is off. All of it. I miss when KT wrote a book, because she wanted it that way. Not the commenter's.
Chris K
2024-08-28 23:58:38 +0000 UTCAmazingly well done, KT. The conversation with Hyun was such a great read. Josh needed to hear that. While it was totally unfair because it gives Kimmy a complete pass, it's the perfect delivery from Hyun because she loves Kimmy and would 100% see it the way she told it. That said, I find Josh's response off. To offer a critique, I feel like Josh was written here, not as himself, but with responses that made it easy for Hyun to give a certain delivery, not necessarily how Josh would normally have reacted. The Josh we know, in my opinion, would have *immediately* pushed back on the characterization from Hyun that this was all his fault, because that's what she said. Period. He would have said "So what? This is all my fault?" Her cheating on me with Devlin before she even thought I might like it was for me because she thought I'd like it?" I point that out because he *just* had that conversation with Kimmy. It's prominent in his mind. For Hyun to make accusations that Josh knows are only half truths at best? His instant jump to the money for the house feels almost like a non sequitur. That critique aside, I think Josh ended up right where he wanted to be and needed to be. It's where he sees himself, if this can be fixed. He just needed a kick in the ass and Hyun was the perfect person to give it to him. Not what I expected, but love how you engineered this, KT.
L_S87
2024-08-28 23:50:47 +0000 UTCWhile I agree somewhat with Kat that the relationship doesn't need to be exposed, I do think it would feel odd if Josh didn't ask about it. The way Hyun pushed, her anger and disgruntled behavior, it points to an obvious conclusion that even Josh picked up on which is why he asked if Hyun would be okay with him staying. It's so obviously there, that it would seem off, a mistake, for it *not* to be brought up at this point. If Josh never noticed, I think it would be fine, but Josh being so obviously tuned into what's going on, it wouldn't make sense. Then again, I feel like his casual acceptance of Keith Stone was a mistake, so this could go differently as well.
L_S87
2024-08-28 23:39:48 +0000 UTCEverything you guys just said is too 'Disney' of an ending. Sorry. But, as a reader If that other affair is not brought to light, it's severely a waste. It serves no purpose. Hyun could've just been a good friend watching Kimmy fall apart from the outside and still said the same things. Kimmy should not get to have her secrets.. not anymore. If she's going to earn him back, it needs to be all the way. Not just half assing it. Otherwise, she would have learned nothing!!
Chris K
2024-08-28 23:38:12 +0000 UTCJL, I like the carriage house for Meyer, I hope you are right. I don't think Hyun will leave even if Josh moves in as she has a good environment for Sophie and is more than a little invested in Colleen as she has had her to herself during Kimmy's overseas trip.
Steve McCarty
2024-08-28 23:08:30 +0000 UTC"He stepped back, letting his touch fall from the silk, a hot and sick feeling tightening his belly. Those old blasts of betrayal battered his shields. His heart raced. Another step back; Kimmy turned to face him."
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-28 23:05:28 +0000 UTC"I know everything she did." Really... it must've been a lengthy confession... like one offered to Father David Acosta...
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-28 23:01:52 +0000 UTCIt just popped into my head as I'm thinking how Meyer would feel with everyone else being together while he's living alone. But maybe he won't have to. Maybe that's too "Disney" an ending for a bully cuckold story though, and no idea how Meyer would feel about it. Probably the first time someone used Disney and cuckold in the same sentence lol. Although, lot of secrets in that Magic Kingdom.
JL23
2024-08-28 23:00:28 +0000 UTCI never thought of that, JL, of Meyer being the ultimate occupant of the apartment, but that makes sense. I always thought that maybe it would be Hyun. You are right that Hyun wouldn’t involve Sophie, getting her hopes up for nothing. She seems very careful in what she exposes her daughter to. I know that this was described as a cuckold story, but an ending with them all, under one roof would be a beautiful ending, IMO. I’m a sucker for happy endings, and this book is unlike anything else.
Kat
2024-08-28 22:45:11 +0000 UTCSo, Hyun would not have been my thought as the person who finally got Josh to ask the right questions, but in hindsight she’s kind of the perfect person. Someone he’s not particularly close to, and someone he wouldn’t expect to be so vocal. But pretty much nothing she says there is untrue. He never confronts Kimmy, he never pushes for answers for her actions. And not a small part of him does want to punish her, or at least make her hurt like he’s hurting. Of course Hyun (along with us now) know Kimmy is hurting, he just needs to open his eyes and see it. It wouldn’t surprise me if she’s had similar “kick in the ass” type conversations with Kimmy, to get her to act on her feelings. Maybe that’s a big part of why they’re finally here. A less generous person could read Hyun is trying to force a confrontation thinking Josh won’t be able to handle the truth and leave, opening the way for her, but like Kat I see this more as her acknowledgment of what Kimmy wants, and that’s Josh. And she cares enough to spur him into action, for Kimmy, even if she’s a bit hurt by that. The way Sophie is involved here tells me she at least knows of a plan for Josh to stay, and I don’t think Hyun is the kind of person who’d put that kind of hope in her daughter when her real intent was to yank it away. In fact, I’m now wondering if the ultimate occupant of the apartment was never intended to be Josh…maybe it’s intended to be Meyer? Maybe that’s too HEA, but maybe Sophie is so excited cause the idea is Uncle Josh and Aunt Kimmy will be together in the house, and her daddy gets to live close by too? Still a ways to go obviously, we’ll see how Josh reacts (and how much she tells him), and whether there’s more meaning behind Hyun saying “Kimmy punished herself, I watched her do it” as well as Josh’s comment on how she couldn’t possibly afford all this even on an executive’s salary.
JL23
2024-08-28 22:31:19 +0000 UTC“And ashamed of the things you didn’t know.”
Bill F Protagoras
2024-08-28 22:29:41 +0000 UTCI don’t think the Hyun affair needs to be exposed. Hyun is clearly relinquishing anything romantic she’s felt or wanted from Kimmy. She seems to love her enough to know that the right thing for Kimmy is to get back together with her husband. I’m shocked myself that I’m siding with Hyun here. Lol I’m rooting for them, and hope that Josh can accept the things that Kimmy is going to tell him.
Kat
2024-08-28 22:17:05 +0000 UTCI love this chapter. Finally, some real truth is starting to come out. I have to hand it to Hyun. Josh needed someone to tell it to him straight, and I’m surprised that responsibility ended up falling to Hyun. You can tell she’s bitter, and wishes she were in Josh’s shoes. She loves Kimmy, but she knows she can’t be with Kimmy, not because she’s gay, but because Kimmy and Josh belong together. Any relationship Kimmy would have with Hyun would be her second choice. I don’t think Hyun hates Josh, but she’s envious of his position in Kimmy’s life. She wants Kimmy, but Kimmy only wants Josh. I hope Kimmy confesses everything to Josh. I don’t think he’s going to run now, at least I hope he doesn’t. I’m rooting for both of them now. Kimmy did terrible things to him, but she’s apparently paid a price, if only that price being exiled from the man she loves, and giving birth to their child alone. She seemed to have learned her lesson, and is miserable and tired without her husband. Josh needs to stay there with them. It seems like it will be a supportive environment for him. I’m guessing Hyun will eventually move out if Josh moves in. Josh needs to seek help for his issues. He needs to find some self esteem and be a real dad to his child. It won’t be easy for him, because Kimmy did a number on his head, but he’s been dealing with pent up trauma for many years. It’s time for him to exorcise it. Kimmy is choosing him, not anyone else. KT, I don’t know how you plan on ending this story, but I have to thank you for writing such beautiful emotions and personalities. I had never read anything in this genre until I found your books. You are alone in your ability to write such captivating, heart wrenching, sexy stories that draw you in even when you want to turn away from the pain they inflict. I really didn’t like Hyun, but you’ve changed my mind. And as for Kimmy, I think Josh needs to forgive her and forgive himself. While these two are clearly in need of therapy or some sort of counselling to help them through their own shortcomings and shame, they belong together. And maybe it’s the mom in me, but the few passages written about Colleen have brought tears to my eyes. I can almost picture a sweet little baby swaddled in pink. I have loved this story, and look forward to how you wrap things up. ☺️
Kat
2024-08-28 22:13:10 +0000 UTCI feel like the theft had to come to light. Not sure if the Hyun affair also needs to see the light of day, especially if Hyun seems to be standing aside. Though I am curious as to why Hyun is standing aside, and whether Kimmy and Hyun ever became romantic.
Pete
2024-08-28 22:13:00 +0000 UTC"I stole money, and...I'm fucking that lap dog that was just barking everything I programmed her to say to you. You'll be our bitch in no time at all!"
Chris K
2024-08-28 22:10:15 +0000 UTCImpatient for one or another character’s growth or failing that - lurid fetish indulgence.
John
2024-08-28 21:46:33 +0000 UTC