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DITW 15-11: The Way That Runs Among the Lost

She continued. “I told myself it wasn’t stealing. I deemed it as reallocation.”

Josh was far behind enough she took it as proof he had heard no rumors beforehand. He frowned, brow crinkling in complete bewilderment. “Stole money from who? From me?”

He thought she’d meant the money she took from their account to buy a house. Not a heist. She’d told him. But that was the only thing Josh could conceive. Not what she’d really done.

“From Stone,” she said. “From Devlin. Him specifically.”

Josh’s face went through elastic movement as he showed off an impressive range of contradicting emotions, rage through humor. Then put his hands on his hips, turned away, shaking his head. He faced her again, gesturing with jerky hands, wanting to know more, saying, “What are you talking about?”

“I took money, Josh. I took money from Stone.”

“You mean...”

“Money that wasn’t mine.”

Disgruntled Josh returned. Bothered Josh. Maybe there was something masculine about him when he did this that she secretly enjoyed. Rubbed his brow and made that pained face. It was almost paternal. Like a bothered father. He was going to be a noble father. Colleen was a lucky girl. 

But right now Josh had this other problem. This woman in his life who caused him much consternation and worry, but a woman he loved anyway, as much as he didn’t want to sometimes. Josh had an enduring love. She wanted him to see it in her, too.

At last, he said, “Why? Why would you do that?”

“I don’t even know,” she said, shrugging a shoulder. “I never hoarded it or, or kept it. Not cash or anything. I diverted money Devlin had stolen himself, and—”

“Wait, Devlin stole money?”

“Again: diverted. He . . . he just copied some things his dad did. Moving money to avoid tax, moving it to shell corporations, and, and . . . the money goes to these corporations, stays a while, moves to another . . . I moved it to buy clothes and dinners and—”

Josh palmed his forehead, full realization coming to him. “That fucking suit you bought me.”

“Yeah,” she said, nodding.

Josh paced. She let him work out what he was feeling, gave him space. “You would buy shoes, and I would know they were, like, a thousand dollars, and I would think that seems dangerous. And then . . . Sometimes I would think I should stop you. That you were spending money you hadn’t earned yet. But you know what? I trusted you. I . . . I always think you know what you’re doing. I should have said something. I should have—”

“No, Josh. You’re right. I knew you trusted me. I knew you wouldn’t say anything about it.”

“And if I did, you’d just talk circles around me.”

She raised her eyebrows, an instinct to defend herself spiking up, but ultimately failing to launch, pulled earthward by the lies she’d spun around the man she loved. “I would.”

“I’d get mad you were spending our money and that the only reason you were even working at Stone was so we could afford a house.” He paced again and Colleen grew agitated, sensing her father’s perplexity. He stopped and looked at Colleen in her crib. “You were supposed to get in and get out, make enough money we could be halfway to owning a home.”

“I know.”

He braced himself on the crib’s rail, hands gripping the wood. Colleen eased. “But it wasn’t our money,” he said.

“No.”

“It was Devlin’s.” He turned. “And what was Devlin doing with it? Avoiding taxes?”

She chuckled. “He had his own accounts. In Cayman. His war chests, as he called them. He wanted to start his own company.”

“Doing what?”

“Shipping.”

Josh didn’t get it. Just staring at the floor between them and shaking his head, not one to indulge in conspiracies of nefarious business behavior, not one to see far ahead into the schemes of the wicked.

“That’s what his dad does,” she said. “He wanted to take money out of Stone and start a competing boutique, handling some specific lines.”

“Like illegal things? What?”

“No. That wasn’t the plan. But I wouldn’t put it past him. Land lines up into the north. Not terrible ideas, but he’s just not the man who could do something like that.”

It was too much for Josh to contemplate. And he didn’t care, anyway. Didn’t care about Devlin anymore. “You’re telling me you were just Robin Hood? Is that how come you’re not in jail?”

At the mention of the word jail, all that dread she’d experienced when she’d first split from Josh came rushing back. Her hand went to cover her stomach. Some nights she’d cried thinking she would go to jail pregnant, or worse, that all her worry and suffering would end her pregnancy. That her own actions—her sins—would end her baby’s life. That the punishment for what she’d done would be another miscarriage. She would roll on the bed clutching her belly praying and crying and swearing to God she would make things right. That she would never do wrong again.

“I’m not in jail because I made everything right.”

“You gave the money back?”

She rubbed her brow now, acting like Josh. Josh thinking it was as simple as that. “No, I, uh, showed them what I’d done, and . . . they were more interested in, in...”

“Who’s they?”

“Stone. The real Stone. His lawyer, some other executives. They...”

“You ratted Devlin out?”

She nodded. “Yes. I did.”

Josh smirked and chuckled, though showed no humor in his eyes. She wasn’t sure what amused him; Devlin’s demise or his betraying wife’s endless treachery.

She said, “It was the right thing.”

Josh nodded, saying, “I guess.” He turned away, stood over Colleen now.

Their daughter had fallen asleep during her mother’s terrible confession. She shouldn’t be so lucky as this: to admit all her wrongs from such a wonderful location; a warm room in a quiet house, shared with her husband and baby girl. But perhaps doing the right thing brought its own rewards.

“He told me everything. He showed me how all of it worked.”

“You ratted him out?”

“I did. His punishment will be severe and long-lasting.”

Josh found no joy in that, staring empty-eyed at sleeping Colleen.

She said, “At some point, you know, diverting that money, I think I just wanted to hurt Devlin. I wanted to sabotage this thing I had going on. A good job, good pay. I never thought Devlin was a good person. I never liked him. Maybe I had a hopeful glimmer every so often that I was wrong and maybe we could work something out, you know...?”

Josh turned his head toward her. “Stay at Stone?”

“Do what we were doing. Which would mean you had to be willing to—”

“Suffer?”

“Yeah,” she whispered. “Then at some point I... I just wanted to hurt him. Really get him back.”

“For giving you a job?”

She turned to look at Josh, his expression stony and unconvinced of her virtuous retelling of the summer she’d done all the worst things imaginable and no one stopped her. “For offering me a job that was more than just a job. For offering me so much, for luring the darkest parts of me to the surface, wrangling that evil amphibian out of the water just so he could present it to you like a trophy.”

Josh said nothing, only cocked his head and showed her more stoniness.

“I know,” she said, voice soft and airy, unafraid to admit his unspoken accusation. “It was in me. I did those things. I did all of them. No one made me do them.”Josh looked down again at Colleen, and she was happy to stand at his side and not say anything. He smiled, admiring eyes washing over his baby daughter.

He faced her then, and held her neck, his hand warm, peaceful. “That’s why you’re still there?”

She leaned her head into his touch, loving his palm on her skin. “I showed them Devlin’s plan. Showed them why it wouldn’t work. Showed them how it could work.”

“Keith Stone’s not in love with you?”

“No. He’s divorced. He doesn’t really date. Not that I know of. . . . He’s not like how you’re thinking.”

“He’s not like Devlin?”

“No. He’s scary. He’s not all talk. . . . It’s long hours; it’s no fun. No fun at all. It’s nothing like it was before. Now it’s all work, no play, and it’s hard. The hours are long. Nothing is as glamorous as Devlin made it, but . . . the pay is good. The pay is great. I’m good at what I do.”

“And that’s kicking Devlin out of the nest. Taking his spot. Making his money.”

She didn’t react to Josh’s harshness. She said, “But I will not fuck it up like he did.”

Josh heaved himself off the crib, rubbing his head and walking away, back to the dresser, looking at his own reflection. “And I see this picture in the paper. You and Keith Stone.”

“Meyer said Steve sent it to you.”

Josh said, “The $14,000 picture.”

“At least it got you to my door.”

Josh looked offended in his reflection. She joined him at the mirror, putting her hands on his shoulders, pressing her chin to his back. He said, “That’s what you think?”

“Am I wrong?”

“I should have been here before,” he said. “Did you pay Steve to send me that picture?”

Her eyes darted up to meet his in the mirror. He was joking, smirking to one side. “I knew you would come when you were ready,” she said. “And I would wait.”

“Your message made it all the way to Mexico,” he said. “I opened my phone, and I saw you had moved on and anything I’d hoped for passed me by.”

She slunk her arms around him, hugged his shoulders harder. “It was business. I attended as his guest, not his date.”

“You weren’t wearing your wedding ring.”

“Of course not. I wouldn’t want anyone to think I was married to him. I had no idea anyone would take my picture—”

“It was right out front of the venue. It was an event where they take pictures. It’s the whole point of going.”

“I had no idea the paper would print my picture.”

“You looked incredible.”

“Thank you,” she said. “I’m sorry you saw it. I’m sorry it upset you. I’m sorry it ruined your trip.”

“It didn’t. Meyer just says that. I bitched and moaned the whole morning and maybe I bitched at him, too. We squabbled. He was mad at me. Then he goes over the handlebars and he blames me.”

“He’s only joking.”

“I know, Kimmy. I know.”

“You had to end your trip, sell the bikes . . . I know all about it.”

“It was an adventure,” he said.

“You needed an adventure.” She pressed her cheek to his collar, and he held her wrist. 

They stayed like that and the moment was long and peaceful before Josh said, “Keith Stone didn’t give you money for the house?”

She let him go, amused by Josh’s attachment to male involvement in her affairs, but disappointed that there were things he wouldn’t let go. She’d done it to him, yes, but he did it to himself, too. She stepped back and sat on the bed, and Josh turned to face her.

“No, Josh. Keith Stone has nothing to do with our house.”

He huffed a breath, looked around the room, brow pinched. “Then how the hell can you afford a place like this? How much is Keith Stone paying you?”

Comments

If he insists she should tell him something, but there's no innocent till proven guilty once you open yer big yap! She did alright this time... but she's not a smooth talking crown court barrister. Not even a shyster!

Bill F Protagoras

Don't see just two boxes... just one big extremely untidy complicated one. I don't have either of the competing visions you mention, and consequences occur in both... in the universe I live in consequences are not weighed and judged in a simplistic apportioning of blame, and a decision to assign rewards and punishments is largely arbitrary when not outright unjust. The quality of mercy is extremely strained. It is strange to me that it doesn't occur to those who think that people either get what they deserve... or should get what they deserve are pretty complacent about how such a system would serve they themselves. No reflection on you JL, I found most of what you said cogent and perceptive.

Bill F Protagoras

Bill, the first "Ask Prudence" online advice columnist (Emily Yoffe in the WaPo and Slate online in 2006) was generally insistent that recovery from an affair required full disclosure by the straying partner. She believed that only by fully opening up the nature and type of the sexual activities could the partners figure out whether this activity was essential to the straying partner and whether the adulteree could deliver said pleasures, thereby allowing the relationship to go on in some satisfactory manner. Otherwise, the adulteree would forever wonder what happened and how he or she failed the adulterer. YMMV for Josh and Kimmy. I tend to agree, mostly, that full disclosure by Kimmy would put Josh on the edge again. However, she has to come cleaner than she has thus far. Josh has the PG-rated version and he needs the R (16+ on your side, I think) at a minimum. He needs to be tested, lest Kimmy think she can go back to some of her fun and games without koshering things with Josh.

Donkatsu

She will only do what you suggest, if she really wants to hurt him and cripple his love for her... If it wasn't for Colleen he would probably desert her in his turn. Unless she is right, and he is a full blown masochist... and he is anxious to learn how deeply she adores hurting him. Your second paragraph is undoubtedly central to his dilemma, one way or the other. Maybe KT will toss a coin...

Bill F Protagoras

Will Kimmy ever own up to the rest of it: repeatedly mocking Josh's immutable characteristics with Devlin post-sex; sitting on Josh's face after Devlin spewed inside her, sneaking out of the party SHE organized for him to schtup Devlin in the parking lot; among many others? How much she lets on about that stuff will be a key to how sincere her efforts to regain Josh's affection and presence truly are.

Donkatsu

She shouldn’t be so lucky as this: to admit ALL HER WRONGS from such a wonderful location; a warm room in a quiet house, shared with her husband and baby girl. But perhaps doing the right thing brought its own rewards. If this is true, there are more confessions to come, possibly including Hyun, although Kimmy may not see that as a wrong.

Tracey52

Hope you kept two wheels down, Chris. Riding is great therapy, though.

L_S87

Could be Josh, and all those who believe a person is a fixed point in eternity, is right and this is the Kimmy he married. A US ghastly paradigm... people never change! On the bright side, maybe she just changed for the worse. Now I can't wait for the latest of the remaining reversals that await us!

Bill F Protagoras

Josh likes games... even Kimmy who claims to love him seems blind to the implications... He likes shooting killing maiming on a screen, maybe in a book etc. Does that mean he has a fervid desire for the real thing? Kimmy's intelligence and strength are not virtues in and of themselves. Sex is a liminal activity physical and, in many facets, mental. It lends itself to intense fantasy before, during and after. Kimmy needs to ride the rush not to be swept away by it... and not just erotically! She doesn't appear to recognise how deep she has waded... or to recognize the foetid odour. That smell is not a good sign!

Bill F Protagoras

Except the last paragraph that's not what I would like... too on trope for my taste... Who knows... I may yet have to accept it... the Waters are in the drooling antediluvian jaws of defeat.

Bill F Protagoras

"Her eyes darted up to meet his in the mirror. He was joking, smirking to one side. “I knew you would come when you were ready,” she said. “And I would wait.” Smug Kimmy always likes a mirror or its modern equivalent a mobile phone. A cell... Inscrutable exterior...

Bill F Protagoras

Redeemable... this is my UEA... Kimmy is not only condemned to waste herself in work but she is also working for and increasing the profits of the scum who batten on the weak suck them dry and ruin the earth and its children. She connived in her own eventual misery for the most ephemeral and petty reasons hoping to set up a safe and happy family. For a big dick, for the mirage of affluence, for the vanity of success, for revenge, for corruption, she became the monster she sought to overcome, and Ms Hyde, Bad Kimmy, still stalks the gloomy corridors of her own grim dreary victory haunted house unaware that her pride can still be her downfall. She is the beautiful sleek moggy and she is laying her mangled victories on homeless hapless Josh's doorstep... Purring and ingratiating putting the final touches on her happiness. Licking her paws and preening. Done what she set out to do! Just thought you might need cheering up... I do! What about the innocent bystanders? Also known as collateral damage.

Bill F Protagoras

Hey JL, your thoughts are never dumb or rambling. 🙂 What you wrote here is some of what I’ve been thinking myself. You’re right that in Book 14 Kimmy saw what all her wickedness did to Josh, and I don’t think she could live with herself if she continued down that path. She had her chance with Devlin and Amy, too, but she seemed more repulsed by them than turned on. I was someone that wanted to see Kimmy atone for at least some of her wrongs. While, this is not what I expected, I think she’s paid a price that meant a lot to her. She’s had to work for her salvation. She said the work is hard with long hours, not fun. Keith Stone is mean and scary, and doesn’t sound like the kind of man who would feel any sympathy for a new mother, let alone one that stole from him. Look at how he exiled his own son. Josh has commented on how tired Kimmy looks. Hyun said that she works hard for them, and has been working hard so she could win Josh back. Kimmy herself said that for the last seven months she’s lived with daily dread. This doesn’t sound like a woman who is living a wonderful, fulfilling life. She got the money, the house and the baby, but she lost her love and is trapped in a very tough job. I think that’s punishment. I don’t think anything about this book has been boring, on the contrary. I got so into this book that I joined this Patreon just so I could talk to someone else about it! Plus, I think I’m the only woman here (other than KT), so there’s that, too. Lol

Kat

Last (rambling, unwieldy, surely not last) post from me tonight: There is this tension between 2 competing visions as readers for this story: those that want Kimmy to fully embrace her inner wickedness and for Josh to accept his cuckold role and get out of the way, and those like me who wanted Kimmy to recognize the damage she did and for there to be consequences for her actions. Maybe we're both wrong on some key assumptions, which I'll explain here. Feel free to ignore...or tell me to shut up (for once). For the Kimmy needs to be "wicked for wickedness sake" folks. I think what we saw in Chapter 14 and here is that Kimmy looked into that abyss, saw what it did to Josh, and maybe more importantly, saw what it cause her to think she could do, and realizes that is not the life she wants, let alone Josh. As she says here, she should have ended up pregnant and in jail for stealing that money. Yes, she appears to have "gotten away" with it (more on that in a sec), but she doesn't take that to mean she's invincible, or that nothing can touch her. Quite the opposite, in many ways she got lucky, and to continue undeterred down the wickedness road would likely lead her into a similar place...and she probably wouldn't be so "lucky" next time. But back to that...for those (like me) who kind of feel Kimmy is getting away scott free, I'd encourage you to read through how she describes her job now and ask yourself this: Does that sound like a woman who loves her job? Yes, it pays great. Yes she's clearly good at it. She can (and should) take pride and satisfaction from that (and also that she ruined Devlin and took his job). But reading deeper, I think in terms of the day to day, she kind of hates her job. Long hours, travel that keeps her away from her newborn for long stretches, a demanding, scary boss. The job is a means to an end. It lets her provide her loved ones a good life, and provides a way to prove herself to her husband and give him all the things she promised him. But, I don't think she wakes up every day excited to go into work. Quite the contrary. In many ways, she's like most of us. Precious few are lucky enough to have a job we love totally and that also pays well. We make sacrifices...we sacrifice financial security to do something we love, or we sacrifice our passions to do a job that provides us the means to support our family. So, even if she "got away" with stealing the money, maybe now the consequences are she's in a job that pays too well to give up, but that is ultimately draining her soul away. Again, just more dumb rambling thoughts. But I see a complicated story here that maybe isn't in either of the neater boxes we want to put it in.

JL23

It ok. I was told to sarc off! So, I'm gonna take my bike and go do a VERY aggressive ride through the twisty's. Bye

Chris K

Hey now, there's still Kimmy and Hyun's relationship. We have no real idea of the disposition of that beyond a few dribbles and Josh's assessment of things, uneducated as it is. I've been down more than most, but let's see where the conversation leads.

L_S87

How can we, or Josh, really believe that Kimmy, who just an hour ago, was busy with her usual antics, has suddenly reformed and become BORING? Kimmy doesn't do boring. She does Dionysian. She also sees herself as the reptile in the water, in a sort of reversal of The Fall. To Glaucon's point, a better Devlin than Devlin. Not yet ready to believe she is not servicing Stone Sr. on occasion. But the game is not fun enough without Josh as the cuckold and victim. It is more like gym class than an evening at a luxury spa. She just needs Josh to come around.

Donkatsu

I'm sure it's something... probably something which will reveal that the smartness of her pants are not the solution... As for Devlin he always reminds me of one Jimmy Cliff song or another.

Bill F Protagoras

I'd just respond that I'm never right. So I'm probably not here either. And that I personally don't find anything here "boring" or "uninteresting." And not because I'm a "boring moralizer" who's getting what they want. There's no guarantee I'm getting what I "want" anyway, whatever that is. I enjoy we're getting answers to things many of us have had questions about for a while. Whether you like the answers given is another matter, up to the reader. For me, KT stories are cuckold stories, yes...but they've never been solely about that, and that's what drew me to them. So if you want a story where it's only about Kimmy caging Josh while she cucks him with Devlin non-stop, I'm sorry you're not getting that? But they've never been about just that for me. I enjoy the world created around the initial cuckolding premise as much or more as the cuckolding.

JL23

Why?

Chris K

sarc off

Donkatsu

The title of the book and a lot of the chapters does give a feeling that Josh may be walking unwittingly towards doom. And maybe even Kimmy is unwittingly in doing it as well, by drawing Josh closer again. Maybe she doesn't even realize the consequences. It just keeps coming back to Devlin for me. She says here the consequences for him are "severe and long lasting." But I don't think he's in jail, or being threatened with that. So maybe this is the fake out, we think we're getting the "happy" ending only for the villain to show up for a final confrontation and test. Or maybe it's nothing lol.

JL23

Your right JL. Your always right! How stupid of me to think that this story could hold any potential for excitement left in it. 🤦

Chris K

I think its the simple answer as Kat described below, or boring if you will. She needed immediate money for a down payment on the house, then she got a mortgage for the rest. The job pays enough to comfortably cover the monthly mortgage payments, but she needed a tangible chunk of money to make the down payment. Josh doesn't care and I wouldn't see any of that as a trap. Even if his name isn't on the mortgage, he would have plenty of claim to the house given she used shared money. You can see it as further manipulation, and maybe it is, but I do believe Kimmy when she describes it as "their" house. She sees it as Josh's as much as hers.

JL23

Anyone else wondering why she really needed to put Josh in the poor house? She didn't need his half of their funds. She makes and/or steals plenty. Just another manipulation? A trap? Certainly not a gift if his name isn't on the property...

Chris K

JL, your first paragraph. That! It's what I've felt and said multiple times, because you're right. He'd be okay if they were a team. If she'd started it that way. But she didn't because she got off on the wickedness if what she was doing and who she was doing it with. She liked the lack of partnership until she realized that for it to continue, she needed his buy in. So she manipulated and cajoled and lied and deceived and for what? Ruination. And I think this is her realizing that. It took a year without for her to realize how this should have always gone. But she mucked it up so bad that now it's going to take even more time to get to a place where Josh might be okay with it. If he ever is. So much betrayal. Hard to overcome. Certainly not in one conversation or sitting.

L_S87

I love that Kimmy is finally confessing or at least answering Josh’s questions honestly, as far as we can tell. I also love that Josh is asking them finally. He’s not rolling over though and Kimmy to her credit is laying it out and letting him decide. I hope this conversation keeps going and it answers all Josh’s questions and ours. It could lay the foundation for a fresh start.

Tracey52

I took that as her admitting that it wasn't just him liking her being wicked that drove her to these things, it was also admitting that her getting what she wanted would mean bad things for him, and she wrangled it around to being okay in her mind by saying "he wanted it." Because I always took the last part you said, Kat, as what Josh truly wanted. He wanted the fantasy of his wicked wife. The games, the playing around in bed. But the reality tore him up too much. Made him suffer. And that's Kimmy acknowledging that for her to get that glimmer would have required Josh to be put in a bad place, for her enjoyment. Which you're right, she liked that, but she convinced herself it wasn't that bad, because if she could get Josh into it, it would all be okay. But it wasn't. And that's why she's acting contrite with that admission. Or at least that's how I view it. She's accepting guilt for realizing that her rationalizing what was happening wasn't going to bring Josh happiness, only suffering.

L_S87

I think he could like and accept it if we felt they were going into it together, that they were a team. And I think ultimately that is what Kimmy is offering to him. Only if he wants it still. I agree that I feel she's being totally honest here. She admitted to manipulating Josh before, but this was the first time she admitted seeing something in Devlin that made her think he could be different than what she thought he was. Kimmy is still frustrated he can't quite accept she's gotten to where she is without help from Keith Stone. That he's still hung up on the idea a man needed to save her. Part of that is probably cause, in her mind, if any man "saved" her, it was Josh. The idea of rebuilding for him and ultimately reuniting with him is most of what kept her going. But it's also true Josh is a little hung up in the traditional man/woman power dynamic. He always has been, he sees himself as less of a "man" than Devlin or Keith, and can't understand why Kimmy would want a "man" like him, what he can give her that she needs.

JL23

I thought she was being quite honest with him here, as well. This whole passage is something she wouldn’t have said to him before, and even admitted to herself. “Maybe I had a hopeful glimmer every so often that I was wrong and maybe we could work something out, you know...?” Josh turned his head toward her. “Stay at Stone?” “Do what we were doing. Which would mean you had to be willing to—” “Suffer?” “Yeah,” she whispered. She’s being honest with both of them. She liked it and liked to make him suffer. Is he truly being honest with her? There is a part of him that likes her wickedness, but in a fantasy.

Kat

I guess I come from a family of gossips. News that like wouldn’t stay secret for long. Lol

Kat

I don't read him that way. Yes, he wants her, but he's afraid of being burned, which is why he's playing 20 questions. She keeps giving him "okay" types of answers, but I don't think he'd be okay if her responses had been different. His questions reflect him waiting for the other shoe to drop and for deceitful and manipulative Kimmy to show up. The woman in the apartment who was lying, constantly, to get him to have sex with her. She's still in there, lying in wait. And that's what Josh is afraid of. If Kimmy gives him the right answers for a few years, he might be okay by that point. Which I think is *your* point. And mine from a few chapters ago. This kind of betrayal and tribulation isn't washed away over one conversation and a few "right" answers, no matter how much Josh may want Kimmy. Say he stays and two weeks from now she goes to a function with Keith and doesn't wear her ring? Calamity. Destruction. Devastation. That's where Josh is at. And I get it. That's not always coming across very well in these chapters.

L_S87

Meyer is his first cousin, so one of Sophie's grandparents would be the sibling of Josh's mother/father. So entirely plausible Sophie wouldn't really have much contact with them. Still, that part, that his parents don't know about Colleen, is hard for me to believe. But it's a minor point we're probably not meant to think about too much.

JL23

Feels like since we ended on the question there's more to how she got the money, but we've seen before how that doesn't mean anything. So maybe it's as she's laying out here. It could be Josh is going to have to accept that Kimmy is good at the master of universe power games, in ways he never could be, and that this can bring him great things as she promised. If he can come to terms and believe her when she says that she's doing it for them, for their family, and for him. And that without him, she wouldn't have the strength to do any of it. It feels like she's again offering him what she did that night after the hotel room, which was the only other time they came close to talking as honestly as here. But now, she's offering it and wants him to feel he's a true partner in it, that he gets a say. And unspoken, she can unleash the evil, wicked, reptile inside her in ways that will drive him wild, should he still want that.

JL23

Visualizing the worst still turns him on, too.

Kat

Yeah, it probably killed her to hear that he was dating Karina, especially after how Karina told her that she didn’t deserve Josh. Another question, when do you think they’ll let Josh’s parents know that they’re grandparents? I find it hard to believe that Sophie never spilled the news to her grandparents. Aren’t her grandparents related (maybe sibling wise) to Josh’s? And Kimmy’s family, what do they know about Josh and Kimmy’s separation and absence from Colleen’s life?

Kat

Right, but Josh's response to everything now is "okay". And he accepts everything as well. So, what does it matter at this point? The couple is back together and Kimmy will get everything she wants. Easy, peasy.

Chris K

That was tongue in cheek, btw. I don't particularly want that in this scenario, mostly because I feel like Josh has been wrung out emotionally to within and inch of his life, and I'd like him to have some peace and happiness. Unrealistic? Probably. But dammit, Josh is hobbling like a bow legged cowboy after 20 hours in the saddle he's been fucked so hard in the ass by Murphy and his law. Let the boy have a break!

L_S87

Well done KT. Hit me below the belt... and not in a good way. Still it's demonstrably not always darkest before the dawn... Except for several years worldwide after the eruption of Krakatoa in 1883 when this popular saying may have earned some credence. So who knows... whatever.

Bill F Protagoras

Pretty smooth delivery from Kimmy who was so tongue-tied in the longhouse. It teases me with the thought this was the easy bit... well-honed and polished... worked a treat mayhap, or am I over thinking it?

Bill F Protagoras

She certainly brusquely deserted him with no explanation worthy of that name...

Bill F Protagoras

I think, and i cetainly could be wrong, that they were both waiting on each other. Josh was waiting for Kimmy to stop being silent, to come begging forgiveness for betraying him, leaving then refusing to talk to him. Kimmy was staying away because of how ashamed she was, wanting time to "make things right" and then I think she stopped talking because of Karina. We saw her jealousy a few chapters ago. I think she was waiting for Josh to come to her, signalling interest in at least talking. She wanted him, but needed it to be Josh's decision to show he was interested. Perhaps she's scared too?

L_S87

“For giving you a job?” I believe this may not end up being a mercy devoutly to be desired... Sons of Business seldom got were they are through giving generously with both hands. Or as I remember from the good old day before political correction... Spending money like a man with no arms... in fact it was no alms. Tight fisted to the point of others' penury. Evil smug old men... The devil take the hindmost.

Bill F Protagoras

Good point, Kat. The simplest answer and all that. I don't think that would be a sticking point for Josh, I think he's looking for something nefarious, assuming the worst, because he's positive there's got to be something. He's spent over a year visualizing the worst. It'll take years of Kimmy being patient to ease him out of that.

L_S87

I doubt it. Might risk too much.

Chris K

I’m sure many here would love that. Lol

Kat

I think there’s an easy explanation for the funds for the house….big ass mortgage. Lol If you make enough money, and you have a decent sized down payment (like 10 or 15%) a bank will give you the rest. There are also other mortgage lenders that will give you one at a higher interest rate. It’s the only way people buy houses up here outside of Toronto. Seriously, is this what Josh chooses to be picky about with Kimmy, but is okay with the stealing and Devlin…?

Kat

That's the thing. KT was one of the few authors not afraid to show that this shit simply doesn't work in all relationships. Honestly, that's why I read her stories. At least we'll always have the classics.

Chris K

But not irredeemably so..

Bill F Protagoras

🙋‍♀️Boring moralizer here! 😂

Kat

Great conversation in this chapter. I always enjoy the dialogue between Kimmy and Josh. It just seems like something is missing, and it’s not the Hyun confession. How was it this easy for Josh to just ask her and she tells him? Why did she push him away for so long? Yes, I understand the torturing herself, and the making amends, etc. Are we missing something else? Did she reach out to him after Colleen’s birth? Josh said she went radio silent. What happened after Colleen’s birth, because a lot of the blame seems to be put on Josh for their separation when Kimmy is the one who left.

Kat

I guess in reading again, I picked up on Kimmy saying that essentially she’s executing what was Devlin’s plan to start the other business, just within Stone itself. She said it was a good idea, just Devlin could never pull it off. So maybe there is nothing more to how she has the money, it’s just she’s really good at the job like she says. Sort of bring to mind what Glaucon said below, about Kimmy wanting to be Devlin, a better version of him. There’s probably a lot to that. I think she wants to see her role as more virtuous, especially as it relates to Josh, but in the end, she basically seems to have gotten all Devlin had, and is proving herself to be better at everything. The last part is having Josh with her and accepting of it. And maybe that’s another thing Devlin couldn’t pull off, that she still can. So it still makes me wonder if there aren’t speed bumps. I agree, Josh is indicating in his behavior he wants to be there, the revelation she stole the money isn’t going to drive him away. But would learning about Hyun, or anything else, where he possibly makes the connection that Kimmy is just a more palatable version of Devlin in his life, would he be able to live with it. Would his enduring love win out over those thoughts?

JL23

You and your words, Bill. It's no wonder you prefer dark and wicked Kimmy. She talks circles around everyone. Which I actually liked about this chapter. Josh put it out there and she agreed. Will be interesting to see how that dynamic works if they move forward. He's basically admitting she's smarter than him and the only way this will work is for him to trust she won't weaponize her words again.

L_S87

She did shave that pussy for a reason...fingers crossed.

Chris K

Just wait. She got the money from Glenn who was happy that Kimmy finally broke Devlin so he stopped fucking Amy. Kimmy will show Glenn her "appreciation" once she has Josh wrapped around her finger again.

L_S87

Bathos will serve as a place holder for the moment...

Bill F Protagoras

I was thinking more of a crocodile with a clock ticking in its belly...

Bill F Protagoras

Well, he's not wrong, Chris. Sure, I like the path she *seems* to be taking (it's Kimmy, she could be cloak and daggering all of us) but it's definitely not nearly as horrifying or devilish as her prior endeavors. Boring? Probably. Enjoyable for us moralizers? Definitely 😁

L_S87

Look Virgil tugs at Dantes' sleeve there's Pangloss working in his divine garden plot cultivating the best for this the best of all possible heavens.

Bill F Protagoras

Boring. That's the word your looking for 😉

Chris K

I am more disappointed in Kimmy now than all you moralisers. She has exchanged the dark charisma of wickedness for the dread venality of Molloch draped in hypocritical robes of prudence, pragmatism and the puritanical mendacious work ethic of exploiting the preterite.

Bill F Protagoras

Now? I agree. I think she could, though it seems like she doesn't want to do that anymore. Could be wrong on that, though and this is all an elaborate trap. I think it would be the final straw more along the lines of him finding out 6 months or a year down the road after Kimmy hiding it, lying about it, doing all sorts of Devlin-esque, things again in regards to deception. I think that may be too much for him. Point taken, though. For Josh to forgive all this, which he seems to be leaning towards, although it won't be quick or easy, means he's forgiving what most would see as unforgivable. Multiple times over. So what's one more betrayal? I simply think that it took him this long to get here because he was so close to calling it quits. Another episode of similar lying and betrayal would push him over the line, I think.

L_S87

"At the mention of the word jail, all that dread she’d experienced when she’d first split from Josh came rushing back. Her hand went to cover her stomach. Some nights she’d cried thinking she would go to jail pregnant, or worse, that all her worry and suffering would end her pregnancy. That her own actions—her sins—would end her baby’s life. That the punishment for what she’d done would be another miscarriage. She would roll on the bed clutching her belly praying and crying and swearing to God she would make things right. That she would never do wrong again." If not for this part, the rest could be ascribed to light relief in comparison to whatever else Kimmy has in store amongst the revelations she is surely holding back.

Bill F Protagoras

You know, there's been so many supposed "this is certainly his final straw if she does this" and then she does it and nothing really changes, I wonder at this point if there are truly any red lines for Josh so long as Kimmy properly breadcrumbs the truth and gaslights him about it.

Glaucon

Huh. She was keeping very close tabs on Josh. She ghosted him because she wanted it to be *his* choice to come back. Which is probably why Hyun was upset at him taking so long and why she pushed at him that if he waited, maybe she'd move on. Which is clearly what Hyun would prefer. But he didn't, because he couldn't. They were both waiting for the other to do something. And Hyun was probably pulling her hair out over it. Still don't like how she dumped all the responsibility and fault in Josh's lap, but I think I get it now. Great conversation that filled in some holes. Most importantly, and something I think Kimmy missed because she's still afraid... Josh made a joke about this whole sordid thing. And it wasn't mean, it was meant to lighten the mood. He's upset, he's scared and he's worried, but he's not leaving, not after finding humor in this. The road to recovery will be long and hard, on both of them. I think *this* Kimmy might have the patience to work it out. If. If she doesn't ruin it with Hyun. That's the last shoe that needs dropping. I know others think it would be too damaging to Hyun and Sophia. I think hiding that big of a secret after all the other betrayals would be the final straw for Josh, if it were to remain hidden only to be found later. He already suspects, so it's not like he's blind to the likelihood. Can't wait for the next chapter and the revelation of where the money came from. I have no idea if it wasn't Keith Stone or stolen funds.

L_S87

The title is an interesting link between the statue(s) of Rodin mentioned in an earlier book and ironically Dante's path to woe and the infamously signed entrance to hell. Perversely Kimmy trod it on starting working for the Stones... Woe unto a woman who putteth her love in clothing. Especially shoes! The title is nowhere near as upbeat as the the content perhaps advising a need for caution...

Bill F Protagoras

So, I’m not sure what to think about this chapter yet, at least as far their relationship. Will have to read it a few more times. It’s good they’re talking, and Kimmy is answering all the questions, and Josh is letting her without interruption. I do buy Kimmy’s explanation as to why she’s no longer in trouble for the money, that was the way I figured it’d be: that the father would be more focused on the bigger scheme his son was concocting and focus on that rather than Kimmy’s theft. But I’m not sure I buy the idea he’d hire her to replace his son…I suppose she could have been really convincing that she did it to shine a light on Devlin’s shenanigans, maybe Keith Stone appreciated the moxie. But I’d still think a guy like that would not hire someone who stole money from him (tangentially) to run his company. Which maybe brings us to where we ended. Kimmy seems to be portraying there isn’t anything more than she’s just working really hard, long hours and traveling a lot to get where she is, but maybe there’s more. Or maybe I’m like Josh and can’t grasp that could be it, and maybe that’s going to be a sticking point between them. Feels like we ended with that question for a reason though. No sign here of any confession from her about Hyun, or any sense she feels like that is a grand secret she needs to reveal. It feels like this was the big thing she was afraid to admit. But we will see. Like I said, I’m not 100% I’d love this is how Devlin is dealt with, but maybe it’s a true ending for his role. Like Kimmy said all those books ago, she’s the spine, Josh is the heart. I wrote that off as her patronizing Josh at the time, but maybe that’s the lesson being learned here. Kimmy can be a master of the universe, she has the strength to make everything happen. But she only has that strength if she knows she has Josh, and his heart supplying the blood in her system to keep her going.

JL23

Also I see you KT with the amphibian metaphor for Kimmy's darkness, almost as if she was some sort of devil in the waters.

Glaucon

There's this concept that comes up a lot in queer spaces - "Do I want them or do I want to be them" - and I think this applies very strongly to Kimmy's relationship with Devlin, may even be the key to her attraction to him. You see it again and again in her scenes with Hyun, where she thinks about what Devlin would do and takes on that role, or how much she thinks about him not deserving what he has (but of course she would deserve it). This chapter is another step on Kimmy's long walk to becoming a more competent version of Devlin and assuming his status in society, economic, social, even his relationship as protege to Stone Sr. Kimmy's negative feelings about Devlin seem to have been ultimately motivated by her belief that she could be a better version of him, ie. envy. And now she's replaced him. Another, different kind of tragedy compared to Josh losing his wife to his old bully, she becomes his old bully.

Glaucon

Well, that was....anticlimactic

Chris K


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