[Salvos] 734. Children (Removed for KU)
Added 2024-11-02 21:11:29 +0000 UTC(Removed for KU)
Comments
"Imagine Manos shitting himself when Salvos drags him to the Mortal Realm" - I'm very much interested in reading his perspective, because Salvos must be the most unusual person he ever encountered, and observing Salvos from others' perspective is always interesting. Also, I'm looking forward to seeing Hartia having a serious character development, because he's still acting out the Demon persona he acquired for Regnorex, and that's *so* not working for him now. I'd like to have Basil back, albeit with more experience and less naivety. If he keeps treating Salvos harshly, he's just going to get hurt.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-07 11:44:31 +0000 UTC"To be honest, I think the best opportunity for Salvos to solve the centinel issue is before she fights the remaining legions." - I don't think it's possible. I mean, she and Manos went to confront Chordus and the rest of the legions, and that's a matter of minutes to hours at most. They are too close to be left there for any length of time; they were close before Jofis attacked, and they are as close if not closer now, and they monitored the collars. Also, Regnorex is going to take notice of the recent events sooner rather than later. It's a very "dense" situation, in a sense of potential SHTF events per unit of time. I think the legions need to be dealt with immediately, and then it's up to Regnorex; if he sends Focalor to kill her, this will have to be dealt with immediately, because that one could single-handedly kill all the demons she liberated, including Haec, Aemula etc. Also, it can happen so fast she can't just leave. However, after she deals with Focalor and hopefully has him on her side, the situation might become safe enough to allow for going to the Mortal Realm and dealing with the Centinels, especially if she leaves clones in the Netherworld and a rift connecting Netherworld, The World of My Mind and the Mortal Realm, allowing for quick sync of information and going back and forth. Because, the entire situation is so explosive she can't leave anything alone for too long because it will end up with everybody dead.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-04 20:37:08 +0000 UTCTo be honest, I think the best opportunity for Salvos to solve the centinel issue is before she fights the remaining legions. If the legions attack while Salvos is away or if she only gets the message when already fighting, it will be tough for Salvos. Maybe tough enough to evolve [Salvo of Vanity]! Especially given Edithe's Situation!
Dragonmaster_42
2024-11-04 17:18:46 +0000 UTCI absolutely look forward to the next chapter! There are so many things that are about to happen! And much of that might be set in motion now! Imagine Manos shitting himself when Salvos drags him to the Mortal Realm and starts another fight she shouldn't be able to win right away!
Dragonmaster_42
2024-11-04 17:02:34 +0000 UTC"Did something happen to Sally or was the connection re-established?" - there are multiple candidates. She's in the Lair, she has the Dreaded Goblet in her hand, she activated [Wisdom of the Old Gods] there, and also Salvos is higher levelled than before, she had much higher stats because of the stackable Title, has [Divine Essence] and [World of My Mind] upgraded to lvl 2. So basically, her stats are higher, her levels are higher, her space magic is upgraded and her Divinity is possibly upgraded in non-obvious ways. But we still don't know what exactly happened and why, which will make the continuation very interesting.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-04 16:12:47 +0000 UTCAnother thing: lvl 205 seems to be some sort of an attractor, in a sense that it's might be a number that is easy to reach and difficult to exceed. Frenzied Basilisk and King of the Chimeras are lvl 205, and Paimon the Slave was lvl 203. So, if I had to guess, I'd place the Matriarch Centinel near that number, if not at 200 straight, because I can't imagine her killing any lvl 200 beings in order to level. Sure, she fought the corruption, but so did the Basilisk, and he did it for longer.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-04 14:54:27 +0000 UTCWell, we already have only a mediocre understanding of the common leveling pace given that we follow Salvos, the quintessential exception. But leveling at 200+ definitely must be harder given their rarity. For halfway normal creatures, developing general skills might be the fastest. Salvos will absolutely find a buffet of 200+es to level for sure though.
Dragonmaster_42
2024-11-03 22:57:08 +0000 UTCIt would be a great opportunity to show off [Corrupted Regeneration] or develop new skills ;)
Dragonmaster_42
2024-11-03 22:51:01 +0000 UTCI just thought it over again and I'm not convinced that the divine essence levelup gave Sally access to the grand skills. It might have, but I think the interaction of skill use and goblet re-establishing the connection is the most plausible scenario. That's just based on my understanding of how skills interact, though. Although... Given how the world-GS developed, her essence GS up might buff all her skills either always or just while active. The question remains how specifically refining her essence causes that.
Dragonmaster_42
2024-11-03 22:48:13 +0000 UTCI just looked it up, it was in book 11, "Faulty Connection" where Sally noted hat she couldn't use grand skills. I'm curios how she got access. Did something happen to Sally or was the connection re-established? Most likely it was just the connection although if it was on Sally's side, it would increase the chance that [Salvo of Vanity] evolves when they do.
Dragonmaster_42
2024-11-03 22:40:10 +0000 UTCThe vision from the dreaded goblet might be a pre-recorded general message about the corruption left behind by the dragons. I think the much more interesting part is how she came to be able to activate grand skills. Did she just get charged up to activate it on her own? Did she evolve as a clone to have her own budget of grand skills? Or was her connection to Salvos re-established? They all have different implications. The 1st variant implies the goblet to be able to recharge GSs, the 2nd one furthers Sally's independence or increases the chance for an upgrade of [Salvo of Vanity], while the 3rd option implies that Salvos now knows what's going on. Maybe Manos gets to flex against Matriarch Centinel instead of Chordus. The third option is the most expected and least abusible. And it has the highest probability of landing Rachel in that unfamiliar place. ;)
Dragonmaster_42
2024-11-03 22:24:09 +0000 UTC"You’re also assuming she’s level 200, or near it, but iirc I think even the Devil gave his props to her strength, and she’s been around forever." - we can only assume what it all meant. He complimented her on levelling quite a bit since their last encounter in the Endlands, but we don't know what it means. "Also against Jofis Salvos struggled, and struggled badly." - true, but that's all relative. For instance, she "struggled" against him because she didn't manage to kill him for the duration of her [Flames] GS. But in comparison, the Lotus clone "struggled" by being killed with her own lance, and she was lvl 200. Also, Hartia "struggled" by being completely depowered and saved by Salvos multiple times. Regnorex struggled by needing Focalor's help to defeat him. Basically, Jofis was so hard to kill that she got a special stackable Title just for circumventing his immortality, because apparently it's incredibly hard. So, basically, it's like struggling very hard to prove a theorem that nobody managed to prove before, and succeeding. Yeah, ok. :) As for levelling above 200, we don't actually know how it's done, and how much it matters. For instance, if you need to kill lvl200+ beings in order to level, considering how rare they are you might get a level every ten thousand years. It might be much more time-economical to learn magical theory and get experience for sophisticated work, or to get a title for great feats, the way Salvos does. Fighting corruption might be very effective for levelling consistently at high levels, which makes one wonder what Belphegor's level is.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-03 20:53:58 +0000 UTCI think I disagree, it feels narratively like Salvos can’t actually kill her yet. You’re also assuming she’s level 200, or near it, but iirc I think even the Devil gave his props to her strength, and she’s been around forever. Also against Jofis Salvos struggled, and struggled badly. She had help from Harris, a level 200 fairy, haec and co, and then finally Manos. That was with him fighting alone, and only being a suppressed primordial. I think salvos could compete with the level 200 monsters, but I expect the Matriarch to be a higher tier of strength. I also think there’s a chance it will be Daniel who shows up, not Salvos. If the Matriarch has been fighting off corruption, she likely has resistances of some kind to it as well, though I admit probably not good enough resistances to stop salvos. Look forward to seeing what comes next regardless lol
Jaiden Gabrani
2024-11-03 18:00:03 +0000 UTCYes, that's one possibility, that it was the Matriarch's memories. However, I hope it's Salvos, because as things are, Sally has less than half an hour, and Rachel has much less. I can't imagine a scenario where Sally wins this one, not with her stats. I mean, sure, if they make enough of a ruckus, Clayton might show up and help, but even if she made another clone to get Rachel to safety, she can't win this unassisted. She can probably run away if something creates a distraction, but that's about it. The problem is, Rachel can't survive much of this, even with all kinds of healing potions. This is worse than that fight with the lvl 100 Elves at the auction, where gold and platinum ranks dropped dead left and right just as collateral damage from the skills. Sally is literally double her level, protected by probably the best protective shield in all of Nexeus, and the Matriarch is at least 50 levels above that. Even an indirect hit can turn her into red mist.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-03 10:42:30 +0000 UTCThe wall of corruption should be the Endlands. I think each plane has its own wall that is slowly advancing.
Gonvas
2024-11-03 10:29:19 +0000 UTCI think the Rachel timeline is somewhat ahead of the rest; I lost track, but I'd give it a few days. This means that she's talking to a "future" Salvos, which means higher level, several fights ahead. Aslo, Edithe has some time to do something with the Archangel, but I honestly have no idea what. Salvos basically needs just one good piece of information - "serious mortal danger, Mavos Academy, now!", and she's there instantly. The only thing preventing her from doing long rifts is that she expects it to create more corruption, and she also had no good reason to do it so far. But if she gets a glimpse that Rachel is in acute mortal danger from the Matriarch Centinel, she's there in like five seconds.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-03 08:31:47 +0000 UTCSally can definitely use space magic to turn boulders into cushions, but this time she barely managed to roll; the Matriarch is as fast or faster than her and she just didn't have the time, so I'm afraid Rachel got a very solid impact. Although, considering how Sally is harder than rocks (because she can go through them, as harder objects go through the softer ones) the ablation does somewhat reduce the sudden deceleration. I mean, magic, yes, but some physics still apply, especially when you don't have a tank build.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-03 08:24:24 +0000 UTCAlthough I wouldn't disagree that Salvos needs more powerful weapons for the kind of enemies she is about to face (she couldn't fully decapitate Jofis, for instance, while Manos could), Sally killed that Ancient Centinel with a single fire strike, and she's capped at 150, with the old class and old titles. Salvos got +60 to everything with her class upgrade, +50 to everything with the stackable title, +150 to vitality, and her base stats are +100 compared to her entry to the Netherworld. To put it in practical terms, her Divine Essence GS gives her +100 to everything, and she has +200 to everything by default. We don't really know what Primordials get at their evolution, and it's hinted by the Devil that the upgrades are such that a lvl 199 Primeval doesn't have a chance against a lvl 190 Primordial, but considering how Salvos after her lvl 150 evolution has been fighting so much above her weight, that a lvl 188 Primeval had no chance against her when she was lvl 165, that doesn't say much. It took a literal disgraced Primordial at almost lvl 200 with insane grand skill variety and number to actually make her work for it. I think Jofis would kill the Matriarch *easily*. Salvos should just have Divine Essence and Flames on and she's fine. I don't think the Claw would do much, since Matriarch dealt with the corruption a lot in her time and is probably the worst match for that. With the Centinels it's usually a question of breaking the carapace with strikes, removing it, and then destroying what's inside with either fire or kinetic strikes. Sure, the Scythe of the Arcraem would help immensely, but I think she has this, she just has to work harder, which means more levels, and she needs those to evolve anyway. But what worries me is the possibility that this flash Sally received isn't a memory, that it's the present (which makes a few days into the future from the last we saw of Salvos), which would mean the ritual went through and created another wall of infinite corruption.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-03 07:02:09 +0000 UTCWow the goblet has been a long time coming. It was introduced in the lich arc, so even before Salvo of vanity existed. Cool to finally see what it does.
Tim
2024-11-03 02:41:57 +0000 UTCIIRC, Centinels are considered group monsters (main evolution line, if they unlock rare evolution they may get rid of "group monster status") which makes them comparable to a human 10-15 lvls below them. Demons and Spirits are comparable humans 10 lvls above them. *general comparison Even then, I don't expect current Salvos to be able to take down the Matriarch. IMO, she lacks offensive power for the task.
Gonvas
2024-11-03 01:44:17 +0000 UTCI wonder if this is going to lead to a situation where Salvos becomes able to use her abilities to quickly travel between the realms due to Sally potentially shining a beacon in her direction. I also wonder at what point in time does this take place relative to the two different pov's.
Crashdevil
2024-11-03 01:23:38 +0000 UTCGoblet coming in clutch. Tho, the situation is so screwed damn, I'm preparing for Sally's funeral already.
Azrie
2024-11-03 00:08:46 +0000 UTCWell, my logic is that Salvos killed that Ancient Centinel when she was lvl 127 or something, and that Centinel was approximately Belzu's level. However, Belzu was a much, much harder target. He was smarter, had multiple grand skills, complex magic etc., while the Centinel was basically "Hulk smash!", and when that didn't work, Corrupted Hulk smash! So, while I expect the Matriarch to be strong, I don't think she's anywhere near as strong as a lvl 200 Primordial Demon. In fact, I think she might be comparable to Jofis, but without the swiss army knife GS, but plus corruption GS.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-02 23:02:05 +0000 UTCI disagree. That understanding of power came from a human, we know that humans typically have less high quality classes and the like due to age. Centinels have to evolve quickly or get eaten. Your also assuming the equivelant to primordial for Centinels only gives +50 to each stat.
Shade Light
2024-11-02 22:49:38 +0000 UTCBecause, sally can melt through the rock cause it to melt away or soften. And Sally is more durable than rock, not harder. They also likely rolled/skidded instead of hard stopped. And without an active force pushing on them, Sally has plenty of ways to slow them all down
Shade Light
2024-11-02 22:47:15 +0000 UTCLet's assume the link was bidirectional and it got Salvos' attention. Let's also assume this didn't happen in the most inopportune of moments, like Salvos fighting multiple lvl 190s or Focalor. And let's assume she does pull through. How would she fare against the Matriarch? Let's assume she fights alone, although she can pull in some reinforcements. Honestly, having in mind how she fared against Jofis without the +50 title bonus to everything, just [Divine Essence], and having in mind that Centinels are much, much weaker than Demons inherently, and having in mind my prior assessment that she is now more-less able to fight a Primordial to a standstill if not outright win, I think the Matriarch is incredibly fucked in that fight. Sure, she also has some corruption skills and resistance, but I would estimate her chances against Salvos as basically zero at this point.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-02 22:15:59 +0000 UTC"But at the very last moment, Sally rolled and protected Rachel from colliding with the earth." - how does that work? If anything, Sally is much harder than any rock, and if she's holding Rachel in her arms at those G forces, she would shred her at the points of contact. This is no place for Rachel with her speed-only configuration and lvl 75. She's like consistency of a wet paper towel compared to those two, well, gods.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-02 22:07:27 +0000 UTCThat's definitely true, but the opposite also applies: there's no peace until Matriarch Centinel is dead. That would certainly improve things in the Mortal Realm.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-02 22:01:49 +0000 UTCApparently they start to matter only at the lvl 150 evolution. :)
Danijel Turina
2024-11-02 21:59:30 +0000 UTCI wouldn't say it's her fault; she actually tried to introduce herself to that Ancient Centinel and befriend it, if I recall it correctly. It was just absolutely implacable and nasty and, of course, it ended up being killed. The same thing is likely to repeat with the Matriarch; they are just asking for it. Also, Salvos was rifted there by the Devil and was essentially expected to figure it out and survive. Sure, she could have abandoned Centina and the others to their fate and escaped, but she decided against it, and this is the only place where she actually had a realistic choice and did something that makes her potentially culpable, which is why she needs to fix this mess, but honestly, Matriarch Centinel is super nasty and needs to die. I mean, Salvos can befriend almost anyone, but this one is absolutely insane.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-02 21:54:55 +0000 UTCI think the link to Salvos was boosted, which made some recent Salvos' memories from the Netherworld go through, and she regained access to grand skills, the way Salvos clones in the Netherworld could use [The Claw of Corruption] to kill demons. But the clock is ticking now. This GS lasts more than it used to, but certainly less than half an hour under this kind of assault. Also, Rachel can't survive half an hour of high-G crashes into mountains, in fact it's a lesser miracle she survived thus far. Sally needs to teleport her to safety somehow if this is to last, but I really hope a rift opens and she finds herself in a nice safe lush forest with a bright blue sky without a sun. :)
Danijel Turina
2024-11-02 21:45:52 +0000 UTCRachel is quickly learning several things. First, Matriarch seems to be the core of the Centinel problem; the negotiations can't work not because Centinels are implacable as a species, but because their Matriarch is a murderous psychopath. Second, she is a very squishy, weak thing at lvl 75. And third, Sally is in over her head now and has until the GS expires to attract Salvos' attention, and hope she isn't in the middle of a lvl 190 fight in the Netherworld at that point. And yes, I really hope she didn't trigger that GS at some really inopportune moment, spending it so Salvos can't use it in a big fight where her life is in danger. That would be a shit show.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-02 21:39:24 +0000 UTCMy question is does the matriarch only see ancient centinels as its children or are there specific children that are hers in this giant cluster
Travis Brown
2024-11-02 21:36:34 +0000 UTCOf course it’s salvos fault
Travis Brown
2024-11-02 21:35:27 +0000 UTCI forgot to mention that since Clayton also murked an Ancient Centinel she made it into the Matriarch's book of grudges too. There's no peace until both Salvos and Clayton are dead.
Ihaxlikenoob
2024-11-02 21:32:22 +0000 UTCIn Obi-Wan speak, the negotiations are going to be aggressive. :) But truly, since Salvos is the point of contention there, if any negotiations are to happen, she must be the one to conduct them - and by that, I mean she needs to kill the Matriarch and all implacable Centinels, and the others need to learn to live in peace with other species.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-02 21:30:37 +0000 UTCDefintely, no peace as long as Salvos and Clayton are still alive and breathing. It's a 'eye for an eye' mode for the Matriarch.
Ihaxlikenoob
2024-11-02 21:28:43 +0000 UTCI wonder if she's also after Clayton since he also killed an Ancient Centinel...
Gonvas
2024-11-02 21:27:04 +0000 UTCWow, the goblet really did save the day. If I have to guess what happened, it boosted Sally's link to Salvos, and the memories started pouring in, for some reason starting with the wall of infinite corruption, which is probably the most traumatic one because she was closest to death there. And she could trigger the [Flames] GS. I hope the link is bidirectional and Salvos sees this, because that Matriarch will bring very juicy experience. And yes, she's here for Salvos, not Centina; they all got it wrong.
Danijel Turina
2024-11-02 21:26:43 +0000 UTCSally has access to grand skills now. I wonder if that's what the leveled up divine essence did?
ArcaneOverride
2024-11-02 21:23:01 +0000 UTCFriggin' finally, the goblet comes back into play in some fashion, we were waiting for so many books for it to finally happen. I'm guessing it had something to do with Clonevos unlockind the Grand Skill since she stated one or two books ago she couldn't use them previously. And as expected any form of negotiation is impossible so long as Salvos is around.
Ihaxlikenoob
2024-11-02 21:20:20 +0000 UTC
