The Second Part of the R Kelly Video
Added 2024-10-26 15:35:07 +0000 UTCNot the final version. Still dealing with copyright issues.
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I don't see anything here that says age 14 is okay in any location? Even by your own facts, you're proving his guilt...
Mesha McMullen
2025-01-11 03:18:54 +0000 UTCTHAT HUFF POST INTERVIEW WAS CRAZY.
Emma Hodge
2024-11-14 17:11:02 +0000 UTCThank you for reading my reply, I apologize for the last sentence - it wasn't fair for me to level that kind of generalization at you. I appreciate your willingness to hear my points. To answer your question...I would like to be outraged at the states (and the enablers) but I can't really muster up the energy. Which is probably why an individual like R. Kelly, when exposed, absorbs everyone's vitriol - rather than that anger being used as a tool to achieve systemic change. The US is, honestly, too large to enact change - even no-brainer laws both "sides" agree on - without a herculean effort sustained over the course of years, sometimes decades. I don't think the zipcode lottery will change anytime soon. But ideally, something like this can be avoided because of safety nets we can create now, even without changing laws already set. In reality, even if the age-contingent aspect of his actions were illegal, with no gray areas - I still think he would have gotten away with it for a long time. This case is specifically tricky because of what R. Kelly represented to so many, and how a history of systemic racism did - with good reason - cause allegations to be typecast as racially motivated for decades. It does not help that, I am sure, many career bigots delighted in the extent of his downfall. (An example does not comes to mind, but I would be shocked if there wasn't one somewhere.) The conclusion we *shouldn't* draw is that "he was evil and we missed it and shouldn't we be ashamed of ourselves because we all liked his music." I don't think we are close to holding powerful men accountable for their actions - at least not until long after damage has been done. But maybe we can become closer to protecting girls and women from unsafe, predatory relationships. The girls preyed upon were often the epitome of vulnerable. And crimes exploiting the vulnerable and traumatized will continue. (Of course, R. Kelly also drew in burgeoning musical talent - which is an ability that distinguishes him from the everyday abuser.) Regardless, we need to be realistic about the crimes any person can commit - and how those crimes are exponentially more damaging when enacted by someone shielded by some sort of universally respected prestige...be that talent & sympathetic origin stories (R. Kelly), academic clout & powerful positioning (Nassar), or obscene wealth (Epstein). We've got to stop lionizing. But it's rough. Poverty and inequal opportunities will still leave millions primed for exploitation. Toxic masculinity is still going to glammorize the life R. Kelly lived. Sexism and racism are still going to silence some populations more than others. Love of art will still be difficult to divorce from love of the artist. Talent will still be given a free pass. So, though the legalese about the age of consent is technical and varies by state - I think its relevance in this case is primarily its use as a mechanism for conviction. The heart of how this case affects us is its extent, and how guilty we all were of writing it off - rather than dealing with the inconvenience of a ruined star. (Apologies for the length, and the tenuous relevance to the original comment.)
Rachel Morford
2024-11-03 19:02:10 +0000 UTCDefending R Kelly is not my "whole thing." In fact, I think you made some decent points. You read what I actually said, understood it and countered with some additional evidence that I should consider. He committed some heinous and immoral acts. I absolutely agree. My point is at the ridiculousness of the zip code lottery. In some states, so much of what he was charged with would not have been illegal. To me, that makes no sense. We're not even talking about a different country. Eg. The Netherlands, where it would not have been a crime. We are talking about one country where he is serving essential life in prison for a crime that wouldn't even be a crime if he did the same thing in a different zip code. If you're going to be outraged by his actions with teenage girls okay. But shouldn't you be furious at the states that have laws that allow this? I don't see how you can be mad at him while accepting a situation that makes it okay. Then it becomes about the person and not the crime.
Rachel
2024-11-03 16:21:23 +0000 UTCEh, what about the rape allegations? Or knowingly exposing women to herpes, by refusing to wear a condom? Or hogtying his wife and blowing off over a $100,000 in child support? Or the allegations made by his daughter? *Even if* you write off the ages of the girls & women (which by the way is wild) there is a *lot* else wrong with the world he created for the (many) women (and girls) in his life. But whatever. I get that defending R. Kelly is probably your "whole thing" - so happy hunting. [I withdrawal my last sentence, uncalled for.]
Rachel Morford
2024-11-02 13:17:46 +0000 UTCI thought dreading was over exaggerating when he says that there are defenders of SA in his comments. Maybe its the algorithm showing me personalized "top comments" but dang...... Wild fr
Mario Martinez
2024-10-31 17:46:20 +0000 UTCNot you defending a known pedophile still to this day! WILD.
Katie Sollenberger
2024-10-31 01:26:33 +0000 UTCThe hypocrisy! This was a definite witch hunt. The moral outrage is unwarranted except from the ignorant. There are states where what he did would have been absolutely legal. There are states where there is no legal minimum age so long as you get the girl pregnant and then marry her. Sure, what he did was illegal for him to do in the states where some of the sex acts occurred. However, the pearl clutching because he was in the wrong zip code is unjustifiable. "Eleven states do not allow people under the age of 18 to marry. Every state has set the minimum age of marriage at 18 years old, except for NE (19 years old) and MS (21 years old). Most states allow exceptions to their minimum marriage age (Figure 1). The most common exception allows marriage of minors as young as 15 years old with parental consent. CA, MS, NM, and OK allow for marriage between children under the marriage age, with parental consent but without setting a minimum age. Other exceptions that can allow marriage of people below the minimum age include: A judge provides consent/approval One party is pregnant or has recently given birth The minor is emancipated 12 states do not allow exceptions to their minimum marriage age: CT, DE, MA, MI, MN, NJ, NY, PA, RI, VT, WA (18 years old), KY (17 years old). Legislation is pending in 8 states (CA, HI, IL, KS, MO, NH, SC, VA) to set the minimum age of marriage at 18 years old without exception. In MO, the minimum marriage age is 18 years old, or 16 years old with parental consent (RSMO 451.090). MO statute prevents someone over the age of 21 from marrying a person under 18 years old with no exceptions."
Rachel
2024-10-30 23:59:13 +0000 UTCAnother amazing video! I never knew the extent of R Kelly's crimes, and it's absolutely horrible that he got away with them for so long
Sam Kling
2024-10-28 21:52:27 +0000 UTC"you don't need to give me any of your love sir" LMAO she really said "I don't want you anywhere near me you dirty nonce"
Kit Walsh
2024-10-28 20:35:56 +0000 UTCwhat a twat lmao. "I didn't come here to be interrogated," says the man who came to an *interview*.
Kit Walsh
2024-10-28 20:33:59 +0000 UTCMy favorite transition word
Caroline
2024-10-28 16:15:55 +0000 UTCI'm on that part right now and it's pissing me off so bad
Caroline
2024-10-28 16:14:31 +0000 UTCThat Huffington Post interview pissed me off so bad, the way he's strong arming the interview and refusing to let her speak shows everything you need to know
Caroline
2024-10-28 16:14:11 +0000 UTCRight!! βYou sound like youβre playing the victim hereβ ππΌπ€£
Kali Haney
2024-10-28 12:08:15 +0000 UTCRaging psychopaths really are the worst. Always love your contentβespecially the extra commentary! π
Johnny
2024-10-28 04:40:17 +0000 UTCDevastating K.O. from Gayle King, what a legend
Casi Blume
2024-10-27 16:27:36 +0000 UTCI still cringe so hard at the do you have your passport did you get your shots situation. Absolutely wild. Then to transition right into βseems like youβre readyβ coercion-ish song uhhhhhhh
Emily Saunders
2024-10-27 13:59:16 +0000 UTCWho but a predator refers to girls as legal
Linda Rackstraw
2024-10-27 11:28:40 +0000 UTCWhat a sick f
Linda Rackstraw
2024-10-27 11:19:00 +0000 UTCHim 'inspiring' other people is a horrible thought! He's so rude just talking over the interviewer & just shows that he has a thought process he wants to get out & he's on a roll so nobody can get him off track. Similar to drunk drivers - they get on a roll & stick with what they're saying so that they keep themselves out of trouble by stopping themselves slipping up & giving themselves away. Stick to the path & it's safe. He's a disgusting person, I curled my lip at him countless times, trying to brow-beat that poor woman who stuck with it gamely but in the end he's an arse & she wasn't going to get anywhere with a self-satisfied arse like him! π€¦ββοΈ
Vicky Lightfoot
2024-10-27 11:14:57 +0000 UTCAnd that fool throws his neglected and sexually abused children as any reason for his pathetic sick attempt to say that the public is preventing him from having loving stable relationships with same bc of them lying on him. Dreading, you will never know the positive effects of your excellent content. I pray many listening to you may realise that they too have been in any way abused and feel more confident in themselves and their abilities to change their circumstances. Ty. π¬π§
Gilena Simons
2024-10-27 09:08:09 +0000 UTCAnd how I adore Ms Kingβs measured tone and use of Robert when addressing such a weak baby. ππΌππΌππΌπ¬π§
Gilena Simons
2024-10-27 09:03:52 +0000 UTCWhat truly makes your efforts so valuable to your audience is your willingness and keen judgement to include the very hard to listen to interviews in part 1 with predators and who they target v who they donβt. You all win every journalistic always. Ty. π¬π§
Gilena Simons
2024-10-27 08:49:20 +0000 UTCI truly appreciate your use of genuinely with regards to this fool and every one of such predators and bullies. The fact that it is genuine makes it a personality disorder. And sufferers of such any and unfounded delusions impossible to treat, if they ever agree to any treatment at all. π¬π§
Gilena Simons
2024-10-27 08:45:18 +0000 UTCThat fool was challenging Oprahβs bosom friend. What a dummy. π¬π§
Gilena Simons
2024-10-27 08:36:03 +0000 UTCI believe I am not alone in appreciating your truth, strength and confident in your very apropos commentary. Ty. π¬π§
Gilena Simons
2024-10-27 08:35:09 +0000 UTCThat fool doth protest too much. Also, shades of trump when speaking of himself in the 3rd person. π¬π§
Gilena Simons
2024-10-27 08:27:19 +0000 UTCThat Huffington Post interviewer did an amazing job. Especially when she declines his love and comments about her appearance. Well done she. π¬π§
Gilena Simons
2024-10-27 08:03:44 +0000 UTCAnother excellent episode with precise editing and commentary. Ty. π¬π§
Gilena Simons
2024-10-27 08:02:07 +0000 UTCthat interview with huffington post was horrid
nia π
2024-10-26 23:20:10 +0000 UTCWow.. how he talks over the interviewer is a huge tell of how much he respect women. Deflection at its best!
Yvette
2024-10-26 21:38:06 +0000 UTCit gets even worse after i wrote that... my gawd
Selena Sanders
2024-10-26 18:33:22 +0000 UTCthat part with him on stage saying hes going to bring girls back to America... yikes
Selena Sanders
2024-10-26 18:32:36 +0000 UTCMoreover β₯οΈ
NL LIGHTS
2024-10-26 16:17:09 +0000 UTCLiterally so excited for the final Sarah Boone showdown from you guys! Enjoying all the new content in the meantime. P.S - would love to see you cover the Stephen Port (aka Grindr killer) case. I can already hear your laugh at the "BTW...." and the dog walker lady that seems pretty good at finding things. So many police failings for such a ridiculously awful case.
Char
2024-10-26 16:06:23 +0000 UTC
