Art Hell
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You have already annexed Montreal over 260 years ago, they have been trying to escape the anglobox ever since. Also I'm not from Montreal, I live in the forest, with mice and cows.
LUMINA IS A BULLY
2024-08-29 05:58:05 +0000 UTCThank you Mr. Montreal Guy, the effort to correct the endless scroll has been noted, and is appreciated. I am sorry I threatened to annex your city. In my defense, you are French.
LUMINA
2024-08-29 05:35:35 +0000 UTCLumina, you'll be happy to learn that I have implemented your request and moved all long comments down one level of reply Patreon's comment system is worse than Youtube, that is an achievement I tried to get in touch with the patron staff about this but, yeah, they have no staff, so that will exist until patreon catches on fire and burns down to the ground, which should be any moments now
LUMINA IS A BULLY
2024-08-29 02:12:42 +0000 UTCobservations about "art" it is pleasant to make for its own sake process of discovery (not explored) feedback is delicious (thank you my one commenter) relief from haunting by ideas (main idea, not really explored) this list is now being repurposed to fit Jreg's Art Hell narrative art agnostic This discussion jumped over the bottomless crevasse of "what is art" I don't think a discussion of art agnosticism is complete without at least acknowledging this question, preferably in form of a metaphor about a urinal on its side. So I wanted to ask myself "should I make art" this is social contagion from watching too much content from the Jregiverse this month. I've noticed that pattern like watching "Dave504" and then feeling like it might be fun to start plucking some strings and try making some sounds. (This is art lust probably ? But I mean the general pattern of seeing other people do stuff and think "hey, I can do that" doesn't mean you'd really like it though...) But immediately I fell into this pit, what is "making art". I'm already doing some stuff for fun, does that count ? Is my gigantic Valheim map an art ? What about my 10s of thousands of reddit comments ? AI made songs and pictures ? Well, you can probably imagine, I say no to that or else I wouldn't still be stuck on that (what is art | should I make art ) question and to me this is the essence of art agnosticism (hey, what about the art atheists ?) somee moree words about art agnosticism "the game" So, the art game sounds like competition, it's the algorithm based game to access the art market, it's also the social game of artist reputation, of attraction and retaining an audience Me, personally, I find competition in all forms to be morally repugnant and undignified, I refuse to participate outright. If you have to play "the game" (you just lost it) is an essential part of art making, then I now can answer that I am not interested in making art. And that said, when I post comments and any of my stuff online, what I like the most is getting those delicious comments. Good or bad, to me this is all flatten to the same thing, a response of any kind just feels way better than the radio silence of my every day. I have already defanged the negatives and blunted the positives so to me anything at all is a mild plus. But is that art ? This is why I started with this question and it has become there are many answers to that question but no answer. "we" ?" implying a consensus of understanding that I'm not sure fits into an explainer video, who is "we" ? The speaker assumes the audience does not contain art agnostics that could be converted nor anyu of the "art curious" persons, that, realistically, is the core audience of this video "passing on your patterns of behaviour" Interesting, is that the goal or A goal of art making to transmit your patterns of behaviour ? If so it makes sense with the previous agnostic point that just watching it makes you want to give it a try but is that really what you want ? Or is it first about "transmitting the patterns" full stop, as in, transmitting the memes simmering in your mental soup and into unsuspecting fellow humans (and increasingly, machines). It seems to me the principal driving force behind art creation is the memes that wants to get out, get replicated and propagate and do that in a sufficiently sustaining way (with all the rewards of feedback, validation and etc.. that come with it) to transform the host into an artist. The ultimate meat based meme reproduction machine, the polyamorous chad of the art world hey, another sexuality adjacent parrallel, this for sure is not a coincidence art creation as esoteric dysgenic behaviour (colloquial : brain worms) (this is lies) I am not taking this idea, that art is a negative trait and a disease seriously. I mean, just in the Petersonian sense (oh yes baby) art creation is a high risk high reward reproductive strategy google "what j peterson says about artist", we've all heard it, the tree perpetually bearing fruit, the tortured soul which refuses to do it, this line is just poking fun at itself, it is a fig leaf to cover the real socially unacceptable belief about art and artists. And for sure art has some dark side, a dark side so terrible that it is impossible to look away from when you see it, I'm not even going to try to verbalize it instead I will let machinegod do it Professor Jreg, this AI text counts toward my wordcount Explain what the idea that "art creation is esoteric dysgenic behaviour" When said by an artist, in jest, what is it hiding ? What shameful thing are they shying away from . Give 3 separate best answers 1.Fear of Social Irrelevance and Isolation Explanation: The idea that art is "esoteric" suggests it’s something only a select few understand or value. By calling it "dysgenic," the artist might be half-jokingly acknowledging a fear that their work is not contributing to society in a conventional, 'productive' way—perhaps even that it's self-indulgent or irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. This might reflect an underlying anxiety about being seen as out of touch, or even useless, in a world that often prioritizes more practical or easily measurable contributions. Hiding: The shame of feeling socially disconnected or irrelevant, and the fear that their life's work might not matter in the eyes of society. 2. Guilt Over Pursuing a 'Selfish' Path Explanation: The term "dysgenic" implies something that weakens or diminishes a population. In this context, it could be a self-effacing way of saying that art is not a productive use of time or resources—perhaps even a "selfish" pursuit that detracts from more immediately beneficial or generative activities. This could be the artist's way of coping with guilt over choosing a career that is deeply personal and individualistic, rather than one that has a clear, direct impact on society, such as teaching, healthcare, or engineering. Hiding: The shame or guilt associated with feeling that their artistic pursuits might be seen as self-centered, frivolous, or lacking in tangible social value. 3. Anxiety About Economic Uncertainty and Instability Explanation: The "dysgenic" label could also be a way of humorously acknowledging the economic precariousness often associated with being an artist. The artist may worry that their choice to pursue art over a more stable, traditional career path could have negative consequences for their own well-being, as well as the well-being of any future family. This anxiety might be exacerbated by societal expectations to "settle down" and "contribute" in a more traditional economic sense, which art rarely guarantees. Hiding: The shame of potentially compromising financial stability, both personally and for potential dependents, in favor of pursuing a passion that is often financially risky. LOOK AT ME, I AM THE PROOMPTER NOW sports/desk job etc.. These are not mutual exclusive with art Jreg, that's the real brainworm ! previous artists who gave up (and refuse to acknowledge) These people didn't give up on art, they gave up on the game, I would posit that the game itself, is bad, it's a bad unfair game, it's not reeally a game it's more of a trap, a trap door that you fall into and directly into an industrial wood chipper for your soul. The machine, needs to be destroyed and a new kind of game, a real game built from it's rubble, a game not a competition, a game without losers, the concept that you can win at art is nonsensical and a manifestation of technocapital that MUST be stamped out with extreme prejudice Lust, certainly the most beautiful part of hell, imagine being a soul, wafting around by the winds of lust ? Sure, it's supposed to be never satisfied lust, in theory, but isn't lust just an amazing feeling ? That feeling of craving and yearning coming deep for inside your viscera ? Of all the sensations of hell, this is certainly the most tolerable. And of all the reasons to be in art hell, this is certainly the best and closest one to actually make it real, despite the claims of this piece of Jreg art propaganda ! Certainly the art happens somewhere between the agnostics and the yappers yes in this propositional matrix, actual art creators are nowhere to be seen, this map is incomplete, it is a trap ! The yapping, it is the lust manifest, the desire to create in a hopefully temporary state of limbo. I would wager, all they really need is a gentle little push and it would happen. You know what is not going to help, discouraging them with phrases like "it's never going to happen" because they'll believe you, and they'll stop floating around chasing the lust and they will sink deeper into hell for angrier reasons to give up ! Gluttony This is certainly the most effective and hardest to escape trap of hell. I have felt it first hand trying to write some code. Page open on the right line, I know exactly what I have to write but it's not coming out. I just need to fold space a little bit but I can't, there's something pulling on my hands, I can't move in the direction of progress and my will is being depleted after several minutes of this I cave, I move my cursor to youtube window, scroll at random to one of the 1745 youtube tabs and hit play. Maybe inspiration will come after this. This is fatal I have found out. Youtube is more interesting, it is not even a contest but if that were all, eventually you would run out of the premium quality stuff and start writing in between the spoken sentences but no. (the next part was written at the beginning, but it fits here, now the structure is broken, sorry) It might be impossible to create and consume at the exact same time like there is some meat-based process in the brain that needs to switch between ingestion to excretion. I don't think this is a very long period, it's not weeks or days, it's hours to minutes, I think I good rule of thumb for the duration range is the male post-ejaculatory refraction period. Yeah, I'm pretty sure many other bodily and mental processes work this way relief from haunting by ideas (main) Ideas do haunt you, it makes sense they are memes, memes are the agent of reproduction and you are the vessel of reproduction, they know how to push your buttons, this is related to the idea that "ideas have you". I have first observed this when some ideas have possessed me, my entire life would get turned around them and I realized that just writing them down provided some relief. Sure memes know how to use them but if you reproduce them in any way, just writing them down and losing the page, that counts because memes/ideas/patterns are inert symbols, you can simply outsmart their logic by allowing your biological processes to consume and excrete them in this way. And now that I think about it, and just after making a reference to the refractory period, I can't help but to draw the other parrallel to the idea of "intellectual masturbation". And this parrallel points to the idea that art is a kind of psycho-sexual behavioral pattern of reproduction. So yeah, this must be something that every student of art figured out on their first year but it is simply too obscene to tell the general public so I had to figure this out on my own after over 40 years... I bet someone already wrote a book about it. answer : chatgpt says these "The Meme Machine" by Susan Blackmore "The War of Art" by Steven Pressfield: "The Gift: Creativity and the Artist in the Modern World" by Lewis Hyde "Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience" by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi "On the Genealogy of Morals" by Friedrich Nietzsche but too late, I am already down the path of auto-didactic discovery about this topic Anyway, you can avoid being called a yapper but refuting the artist label, this is what I do. "Oh so you're a writer ?" No, I'm not a writer, I've never written anything but comments. "Oh you're a software developper" no, that's a profession my job is (something else), I'm not a software developper ! Accusations averted ! Greed Uh oh capitalism "My stuff is not good enough to post" -"That's a good sign that you are respectful" Chad move : "I have never made anything that wasn't good enough to post" Given the incredible amount of neuroticism about this tiny bit, I see this is stopping and causing more people to give up than anything else. Shutting up is not a sign of respect, it is erasing yourself to dodge criticism. POST YOUR POOPS ON INSTRAGRAM Become annoying and don't let imaginary internet people shout you down before you've even stuck your nose outside. Yes this taken to the extreme is going to suck for everyone but you know what, it's WAY easier to delete something that you don't like than it is to undelete something that never was. KILL ALL MODERATORS Anger Jealousy at the success of others Dismissive of others productions Their production says nothing I deserve more success (Belief in hierachy, belief in meritocracy, SMASH, this i art poison) "You don't want to do better" (always a lie to obfuscate the real reason) (I don't want to change) (I don't want to cut the parts of myself that don't fit into machinegod) Strange you are in art hell and you're sending your production into the world yet you think you've "lost". repeat previous section, losing at art is an incoherent concept Art is not a competition Capitalism is making it a competition The machine, needs to be destroyed and a new kind of game, a real game built from it's rubble, a game not a competition, a game without losers, the concept that you can win at art is nonsensical and a manifestation of technocapital that MUST be stamped out with extreme prejudice Don't compete, publish copyleft, reject the game outright on its face, its ugly effing face HERESY Rejecting the system This layer of hell punishes those who do not play ball with others Those who will not participate in the quid pro quo of the attention economy And both those who give the machine what it wants too much or too little If you're going to play the game of art inside the machine then you have to play in between the blades of the mulcher. The heroic chad artist will jam metal bars throught the machine and stop it. Cheat, steal, lie KILL, KILL THE MACHINE that's the way not just to the top but also the way out. If you are not climbing through the hierarchy of the attention tournament economy then there is nothing for you to preserve, there is nothing sacred that you will lose by violating the system. Meritocracy is a lie, steal the participation trophy of merit from the machine's jaws and escape with all your limbs intact, or choose to cut off the parts of you that don't fit ! Whatever you do, do not listen to the murmurs of machinegod and drown out the voice of its SEO priests, they are but sirens who want to smash you soul against the rocks and lick your broken bones. That said, fighting machinegod is always easier with friends and even if you fall into the wood chipper of your soul, you'll at least have a shoulder to cry on (in this metaphor, the shoulder is disembodied because your friend also went through the wood chipper with you) Violence This isn't about art anymore. This is what happens when you fail at life. It is easier to imagine the end of the world than it is to imagine the end of capitalism. So imagine how much easier than that it is to imagine the end of you ! This should be reconized as a dead end, that you need to 3-point back out of ASAP. (Although preaching against drug from a willful nicotine addict, you might want to be careful throwing such heavy stone in the streaming house because that's a lot of expensive glass in those cameras !) Treachery And now I realize that the problem with riffing to someone else's song sounds fun, the problem is that if you start doing it before know where they're going with this, there's a high likely hood that whatever you've written is not going to have a point or that it is going to lose even more coherence as you go along, also I wrote this in-between every job I had and now my shift is ending so I'm going to assume that nobody is going to make it is here voila, another filled out paragraph, this was a lot more fun to do in the beginning but I am entirely out of things to say, fortunately I wrote the ending earlier, wow thank you past self, it's rare that you do, but this time you really helped out future self get out of this one ! ending Jreg I followed you down to the depts of hell, circled into your vicious circle So I think it's only fair, that you should lead the way to the virtuous cycle back up into heaven. then kill god And then come back to the purgatory of our fake reality, and then face that the reality isn't actually fake and this is the only shot we have and then reject the copenhagen interpretation and accept that actually all possible configuration of the universe exist simulatenously and time is an illusion in the same way that the number 10985709123582080921850985 has always existed, will always exist, would exist even humans never did exist, in that same way, there are only 2^32M possible 4 minutes songs in all possible universes and there is a number which represent the current exact configuration of the universe inside of our Hubble Volume and finally answer the question what it is that is reading these states of the universe in order, I kind of think of it like the needle in the groove of a vinyl disc but maybe you can come up with a better metaphor Please translate the following text from semi-crazy to well explained english https://chatgpt.com/share/3d96fdce-a446-41a8-bb6b-88f34234fb2c
LUMINA IS A BULLY
2024-08-29 02:07:04 +0000 UTCAh I assumed it was another Greg piece somewhere, not someone else’s work. I have to rewatch that vid, actually. I haven’t been through CJ’s backlog in a while…
LUMINA
2024-08-28 06:25:34 +0000 UTCYou’re fully aware that Patreon doesn’t have collapsible comments and you’re dooming everyone else to scroll through your mountains of bot slop each time you do this, yah? At least nest your autogen essays in a reply if you’re going to go for the full character limit of a post EVERY FUCKING TIME
LUMINA
2024-08-28 06:20:22 +0000 UTCCj the X “seven deadly art sins”
Wp
2024-08-27 23:20:22 +0000 UTCThis might be in your top five Greg Guevara videos of all time, or maybe even top five out of ALL your videos… because IT’S SO TRUE IT HURTS.
ocean_on_a_teaspoon
2024-08-27 21:17:42 +0000 UTCIdk what either of you are referencing but it sounds great so take my heart reacts
LUMINA
2024-08-27 13:29:45 +0000 UTCCollapse replies
LUMINA IS A BULLY
2024-08-27 03:56:49 +0000 UTCThe lore drop of 10/29/22 was an instruction manual on how to enter the gates of Art Hell, this is the view from inside…
Wp
2024-08-26 16:56:00 +0000 UTCVery good,, expanding upon the lore posited on Oct. 29, 2022, a whole anti-nietzschian based lore on Art Morality Good enough
Fake Dracula
2024-08-26 14:36:01 +0000 UTC
