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The girlies investigate our modern-day digital panopticon through an exploration on the history of surveillance in the US. From wiretapping to Watergate to hidden AirBnb spyware, Americans have been accustomed to and unsettled by being watched for decades. Digressions include the 2016 vibes and a pig named Heidi Klum.

This episode was produced by Julia Hava and Eliza McLamb and edited by Allison Hagan. Research assistance from Penelope Spurr.

NOTE: This episode mentions the role of surveillance in cases of police brutality. We wanted to note that it was recorded before the hoffic murder of Sonya Massey by the police — a tragic reminder, as mentioned in the episode, that surveillance alone is rarely enough to provoke justice. Our thoughts are with the Massey family. 

SOURCES:

19th Century - The Origins of Surveillance

A Brief History of Surveillance in America

Airbnb Has a Hidden-Camera Problem

CAN THE USE OF ‘NANNY CAMS’ BE MORALLY JUSTIFIED?

Castle Doctrine

During the COVID-19 Pandemic

Electronic performance monitoring: a risk factor for workplace stress

George Holliday, Who Taped Police Beating of Rodney King, Dies at 61

How citizen journalism has changed since George Holliday’s Rodney King video

John Locke and the labor theory of value

Psychological aspects of active surveillance

Psychology and Surveillance Capitalism: The Risk of Pushing Mental Health Apps 

She Thought She Caught a Man Cheating, So She Posted on TikTok

Social anxiety disorder: more than just shyness

Sun on Privacy: 'Get Over It' | WIRED

Surveillance as Cultural Practice

Surveillance Culture: Engagement, Exposure, and Ethics in Digital Modernity

Surveillance of the intimate

Surveillance under the Patriot Act

Towards a psychology of surveillance: do ‘watching eyes’ affect behaviour?

The Employer-Surveillance State

The Work of Being Watched: Interactive Media and the Exploitation of Self-Disclosure

There’s no place like home

They Used Smartphone Cameras to Record Police Brutality—and Change History

What constant surveillance does to your brain

‘What have you caught?' Nannycams and hidden cameras as normalised Watching Me, Watching You

Where would racial progress in policing be without camera phones?

Who's watching?: Daily practices of surveillance among contemporary families

Why we must continue to turn the camera on police

Us and them - the social impact of 'new surveillance' technologies

Comments

As a former pet sitter and current pet sitter hirer, I always appreciated when my clients pointed out the nanny cam to me so I always tell my pet sitters EXACTLY where the camera is and what it looks like when it’s on. One time I was NOT informed of cameras in a client’s home and found out that I had been getting dressed in front of one for an entire weekend 🥲

Hannah

I'm pretty sure it's called welcome to mogwarts haha

Maya Wilson

it’s been an honor to help a godly wife

Carolyn

thank u queen!!!!

Sam Haimowitz

SUBURBAN MCMANSION SPRAWL MENTIONED!!!!! Thank God

Cooper Moore

as a dog sitter i’m always SO uncomfortable when clients have cameras in their homes. it makes me feel like i need to be in work mode 24/7 and they are not paying me enough for that. more recently i was staying in this lady’s RV watching her 2 dogs & 2 cats and the first night i’m there she texts me at midnight accusing me of not actually staying there (?!?) while i was asleep in the RV. she also required that i text her any time i leave and again when i return with pictures of the animals each time 😃😃😃

Abi Wallace

Boo to the man but yay for Baby Dog!

Monica Parks

Holy shit

Mary

Omg

Mary

from search engine, called what does it feel like to believe in god

Carolyn

I bet noah kahan picks up his dogs shit <3

sophieslater

what’s the episode title?

Vivienne paduch

Seconding this request

Milky Wilky

there are other devices similar to Ring that aren’t connected to police agencies and don’t result in invasions of privacy and heightened racial profiling.

annabelle chapman

life 360 is so brat coded

Sam Haimowitz

@Eliza could you pls drop the name of the podcast with the Facebook ethics manager Rabbi, I must know his work 👀

Sam Haimowitz

Hi if anyone has an extra ticket to the nyc show on August 13th, please dm me on insta @jo_breazy ! Trying to go with my friends who were smart and bought tix early. Will pay a bit over original price :)

Mads

So true about the camera paranoia. Because everytime I’m in a restaurant or gas station bathroom I’m like ok well fuck I’m probably being recorded right now !!

Josie

Can confirm cameras are super helpful as evidence for a restraining order, I had to do it with my abusive ex 🫶🏻

Hannah B

If anyone has an extra ticket to the Boston show pls dm me on insta @melaniereagan

Melanie Reagan

if you have an extra binchtopia live ticket for aug 13 in nyc plz dm me on ig @megnoltz 🫂:-)

Meg

Morgan Mulholland

The looksmaxxing episode of Nymphet Alumni actually had a really interesting digression on how the internet is changing club/party culture for young people if anybody is interested in hearing more about that!!

Maya Wilson

I hope you're able to stay safe and keep you peace of mind! Having a creepy ex around would be awful! 💖💖💖

The Immaculate Witch Kaitlin Reckord

Learned recently that the self checkout cameras can sometimes “flag” people for an attendant to come and make sure they’re not stealing, only learned this bc my Indian friend got flagged while I never ever have as a white person!

Olivia McNelly

Paris Hilton got a pig when we thought mini pigs existed, and she fed it normally and it became HOG. People told her to get rid of it but she kept her piggie :,)) made me love her

Victoria Wilde

Stopped sharing my location with my persistent boyfriend after this, hallelujah

Abby

Episode on the weaponization of fear when 🫢🫢

Nicole Frysh

Sadly I have to sell my New York day 1 tour tickets :( let me know if anyone is interested!! My instagram @annalabancaaa

Anna LaBanca

My boyfriend’s brother lives in a suburbia HOA neighborhood (NOT GATES) so like anyone has the right to be there I think. Anyway we house sat for them last weekend. We drove separately because I needed my car for work. My car not a clunker by any means just lots of stickers than probably indicate who I vote for and out of state plates. The way this Karen watched me for like 15 min as I pulled up and was getting stuff out of the car it pissed me off soooooooo much and she had one of those crusty little dogs too. Literally just stared me down and watched me until she saw me say bye to his brother. then I guess she got validated I was “supposed” to be there. Sorry this is long I didn’t complain about it IRL but since we’re on the topic…

Luteal Swan

My MIL had to install a camera in her mom's apartment (nursing home) after a few elder abuse incidents with some not-so-great nurses. It definitely changed the dynamic between MIL and the nurses, but it's worth keeping her safe. My other GMIL recently passed after her nursing staff neglected a serious injury (we don't necessarily blame them but like... how can we ignore the many hours between the injury and her making it to a hospital?) Having to put up a camera to ensure someone's safety is honestly a horrible feeling. It would be nice to not need it.

Ayesha G

i never found glenn powell attractive but ever since i saw that pic comparing him to a capybara i can’t unsee it and he’ll never be attractive to me 💀

Abbey W

if i think about this too much i’ll spiral 😭 like what if i’m in the background of a family photo looking weird and they laugh about me all the time

Abbey W

girlies you should explore chiara ferragni and her public grifting downfall after misusing profits from a charity panettone collection (NOT JOKING)

jade hurley

In response to chappel roan and her pets…. I have a wonderful friend with two female rats who are lesbian and have lesbian sex 😍 my friend puts on chappel roan for them while they fuck <3 had to speak her truth

Hannah Mitchell

the warthog thing reminded me of this post that was going around my college's sidechat for a while: "thinking about the time in college when my housemate got a 'micro pig' which turned out to be a baby pig, which grew into a warthog over the course of several months in our apartment in medford, massachusetts" – can confirm our off campus houses are NOT the place to raise any pig let alone a warthog!

Lily Ana Verna

"is he a pedophile, I thought he was just ugly? I mean I'm not surprised!" screaming

Lily Ana Verna

Omg yes ty

Mandy Fuller

okay i literally listened to this while i was on the way to target to buy a blink camera. i’m very anti all these surveillance devices and usually find them unnecessary and harmful. but i have a roommate that for some reason is adamant on staying on the lease and paying rent without living here. (have begged her not to do this but it’s complicated and besides the point). anyway she has started associating with my insane ex who has been borderline stalking me and harassing me over emails because he’s blocked on everything. so now he has access to my apartment from her. i ran out to get cameras for the time being and called my friends to plan my protective order speech. while i was a victim of my parents life360 lockdown as a young adult stuck in a jehovah’s witness home, a modern surveillance device is possibly saving me from getting hurt and adding evidence to my restraining order!

Mak Kitt

literally SAME

maria browne

I live in a closed/private apartment building and it always pisses me off so bad walking down the hallways seeing doors with Ring cams like literally no one can get in the building without a key or a code what strangers are you watching out for besides your neighbors?? I just always think that somebody could potentially be monitoring mine or anyone else's routine and the time I leave/arrive and it's just so stupid and realllyyyyy irks me!

Karissa McMillen

I used to watch this rich douche’s dogs and they got a furbo camera and I found out through my mom that he was caught cheating on his fiancé THROUGH the furbo

Eliza

TERRIBLE episode to listen to while you’re pet sitting in someone else’s house😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

Jane L.

So on one hand, I work for a pet care company and we’ve had several instances where clients will speak through a camera that staff didn’t know was there or text saying they saw something. We’ve told staff to act as if they’re always on camera now. We feel it’s invasive but also understand. On the other hand, I got robbed in 2019. I was fast asleep and didn’t realize until I woke up and walked out of my room to find a window wide open, my purse gone and my car gone. It was the most invasive thing that has ever happened to me and now I can’t sleep by myself. It was one of the most traumatic things I’ve experienced and that says a lot bc I’ve had many such cases of trauma. Anyway, now I feel like if I bought cameras I’d be justified. I know that wouldn’t do much but maybe it would prevent something like that from happening again. They caught the guy by finding my car but otherwise, I had no cameras and they wouldn’t have had an idea who came through my house.

Lisa

When I was in elementary, my older sister, who would’ve been around 17-18 at the time, worked as a swim instructor at a local pool. She gets a call one day from her manager alerting her that they discovered 50+ cameras hidden in the women’s staff change room being used to spy on and target my sister and other women staff by a man who was working at the pool. This traumatized the fuck out of my sister and scared me so badly. Fuck surveillance I fully believe it does more harm than good

Leia

Do you guys ever think about how many photos exist where you’re in the background? I think about that especially when I’m taking photos at a concert or tourist attraction and there’s tons of people in the shot.

Adrienne

no ruha benjamin mention 😔

baby yaga

Re: breast feeding, every child is different of course but as a former preschool teacher we did have a few students 4+ who still breastfed sometimes at home and those children struggled more with developing self-care skills & independence from their mother and also struggled with understanding consent & self-control with other students (biting, grabbing, touching others)

Brianna Bogucki

Okay but have yall seen this… much to think about : https://www.wired.com/story/friend-ai-pendant/

Sydney Cooper

Also the recent mall cop episode of Theo vons podcast where the mall cop admits that he's been following women around on the cameras, and also complaining he can't beat up shoplifters anymore 💀💀

Phoebe Phan

Listening at my plastic factory panopticon, and not you clocking how my ab**ive cop dad was also the union rep for his department 😓😓

Phoebe Phan

This was a rollercoaster

Gopi

that pig mailbox moment was written beautifully

bella

I also once worked at a cafe where the owner set up a couple of cameras watching back of house, because she couldn’t be bothered ever coming in herself to manage the store. Sometimes we would have a rush of customers and she would call me asking why no one was doing the dishes, or if she thought we were being too slow closing up at the end of the day 🙄

Vanja

My former housemate set up a cat camera in our dining room so she could look at her cats while she was at work, she didn’t bother to check with myself or our third housemate about whether we were ok with this but just went ahead and installed it and then told us about it (a common theme living with this girl). Made me soooo uncomfortable feeling like I was under surveillance in my own home!

Vanja

Peed on my high school in the middle of the night to make a point. Looked up mid piss directly at a security camera 😳. Nothing ever came of it thank god

Cdoo

Yes!! Dm me @jay_esss on instagram!

Jana

it is so creepy and that’s so strange and gross to have people message you after seeing you on the camera. luckily i see the same customers everyday so they mostly behave but there are still some weirdos out here

riley

thank you! it’s all good now:)

Adrianna

My grandma used to be friends with someone who was in the Chicano movement and every time she’d call him they would hear the click of the FBI recording all their calls, he could look out his apartment window and see the van just chillin out there

Maija Petterson

Same! I’m a delivery driver and it’s so creepy seeing the glowing ring light and knowing they’re watching me on their app. I’ve received messages from customers after dropping off their stuff saying “you’re the cutest delivery driver I’ve ever had” after they saw me on their camera! GROSS! just let me drop off your stuff in peace 😭

Sunny

https://open.spotify.com/episode/46HH2lrZriblWQYoSuAUmv?si=-OeuZLJdQRSQXfRZ0T1Cjg here ya go!

amber walls

Book rec if you are interested more in war photography, and how we relate to images of suffering, etc- ‘Regarding the pain of others’ by Susan Sontag. It unpacks if images themselves can ever be truly revolutionary and the social role of journalism. It feels more relevant than ever with the use of police body cams and the constant barrage of images coming out of Palestine 10/10 read

Tulsi Von

I am so glad someone mentioned how weird it is for people to post on tik tok exposing potential cheaters. It gives me the ick so bad

Zoe Pfahler

I had to go relisten to Letting the Josh Talk after this ep to calm down cause this shit put me straight into an existential crisis lmao

Lila

Hëūndai

Grape Surgeon

Listening to an ep about how everyone is watching me all the time while I’m at the gym was Not The Move™️

Jamesy

an employee for 20+ years at the hospital i work at was arrested and fired for hiding a camera that looked like a USB charger/plug in a staff bathroom in our children’s hospital <3 (yes this was a man)

Madeline Harvey

but 10 years is definitely……….. interesting to say the least

honeymatcha

Fucking crying at the first 10mins of the ep

jay m

The American Academy of Pediatrics now recommends breastfeeding for 2 years & beyond (in conjunction with solid foods once the child is old enough) as long as mutually desired by mom & child 🫶🏻

honeymatcha

I can’t find it!

Carolyn

Oh my gosh 🤦🏾‍♀️

Gwen

she’s talking about heidi klum pig

Annip

literally jaw DROPPED when eliza mentioned the podcast ep about the rabbi/ex-facebook ethicist that's literally my fav pod episode EVER. it's an episode of search engine if anyone wanted to know 😎💪🏼

amber walls

Gwen

Mom who nursed here! The AAP and WHO recommendation is to breastfeed up until 2 since the benefits go well beyond nutritional but Eliza you’re right that nursing any amount of time is helpful! 🖤

Gwen

I support your Babydog<3

Phoebe

are these still available?

kerrie

this episode dropped on the same day as this wearable device that listens to everything around you 24/7 https://x.com/AviSchiffmann/status/1818284595902922884 not a joke

alena

Hi binchies! Selling two tickets to the NY show on 8/13 bc I have grad school orientation :( will sell for original price!!!

Jana

Betrayal!!

Olivia

My boyfriend couldn’t even use the internet on his old work laptop

blaine

i, too, was unconvinced by the media’s glenn powell propaganda. but then i watched twisters (2024).

ky

The surveillance that goes on in the suburbs is next level! I live in the Austin suburbs & can confirm these people are nuts. My husband & I had a neighbor curse at us for letting our dog pee on the edge of their lawn & another neighbor called 911 to report us for having a fire in our backyard fire pit. There was no burn ban it was just affecting their allergies. Called 911 because of allergies 🙄 even the fire fighters & full on fire truck who showed up to our house seemed annoyed to be there LOL

Carly

Omg I sent the email about the ring doorbell last summer, so cool to hear it on the pod! More context, the “friend” I refer to was a pro overwatch player I was hooking up with. A year later I feel enough shame to admit this!

snaggletooft

that guy & bulldog is west virginia’s governor (currently running for senator) unfortunately….. the bulldog is Baby Dog!

Jaelyn Wratchford

Book recommendation on this subject : Little Eyes by Samanta Schwebelin Super creepy

Tina Zimmerman

Wait this is bothering me now. I listened to that podcast Julia mentioned about the dad who turned out to be filming his son and all his friends in the bathroom.. does anyone know which podcast that was ?

Mandy Fuller

it was my birthday yesterday and i cried stay strong

Ella Sabine

I had to watch some clips from Dragonfly Eyes for a contemporary art class one time and it’s such a ~chilling~ movie bc it’s made only from surveillance camera footage. And you follow the characters and the storyline through that lens.. very unsettling but it’s such great commentary on all these topics

Laura

Wait I thought Snowden was that guy from the hunger games

Caitlin Feely

my thoughts exactly. i guess i can see that perhaps they mostly focused on police violence and surveillance of police but still. i feel like the media coming out of palestine is relevant to that conversation.

Ryann Redinger

Binchies it’s about to be my birthday I’m sad and happy at the same time!!!!

SlenderLADY 💅🏽

Glen ain’t it..

Chris Rossi

speak your truth!! glen powell is the most sexless person ever

Caitlin Mahoney

Have you seen the websites where you can watch street camera and security cameras live all around the world?

cicely Hodel

This happened to me too at my last service job 🫶🏻 terrible horrible bad!

MK

wow I’m so sorry this happened to you

MK

I worked at a hardware store on a main street in Boston, and they had a “camera” visible when entering the store. I asked my coworker about it, and turns out it was fake and used to “scare” people into not stealing….

gill

WAIT there was a We’re Here to Help episode where a lady wrote in about this, she was the said pet sitter feared to have been caught by pet cam………

Emily

anyone else think it’s weird how they mention how horrific things captured on camera can be the spark for social movements and change but didn’t talk about Palestine… like the most recorded genocide in history

clairevalley

im a mail carrier who walks and more people than not have ring cameras and it’s so dystopian im always surprised when people talk to me through them

riley

My friend’s camera caught her rover pet sitter fully naked jerking off on her couch 🫶🏼

Sarah Harmet

Go watch twisters and come back to us, the Wild West is working x

Lana

I don’t go to the bathroom at this one frat because they have a sign that says smile you’re on camera and I don’t know if it’s real or not

Liv Tambrini

You guys should check out the Atlanta police department reform and how it ended up in crazy intense surveillance instead of positive change

Lucy Griffiths

How To Instill Disordered Eating 101

bug

7:33 I actually guffawed

Emily

i finally found out my stalker was living in the crawlspace under my house because of security cameras. super rare ofc. and i agree the over surveillance/citizen vigilante shit is soooo over the top but cameras can help!

Adrianna

oh yeah i thought she posted on insta last week “breaking my silence on ballerina farm”

Annip

this episode dude omfg. my dad had prominent and secret cameras all over our home in secret places & tracked my location until the day I was 18. Secret camera in the bathroom for my "drug tests" I was forced to take. I have MASSIVE fears of people constantly watching me, because they do! To this day I just assume im constantly being filmed and it makes me act out a lil bit🥴🤪

Adelaide Rava

52min: me right now moving my mouse on my work laptop every 5 minutes while listening to this.

Adelaide Rava

also we must stop the propaganda, glen powell is NOT sexy. he is severely thumb looking. bland. why does his mouth look like bad animation from Illumination studios. plus tbh muscles mean nothing to me, lets be real folks that man has nothing going on

baby.yogurt

regarding female presidents, Mexico just elected their first woman president last month, shout out Claudia Sheinbaum

baby.yogurt

This brought back some trauma of mine tbh, sending the binchies an email about my two year period of constant surveillance in Russia 😭

Audrey Long

my stepmom used to use a nanny cam in our kitchen to monitor my eating and if i was “stealing food from her pantry” (this was done when i was underaged and lived in her home 😍😍)

owlwitch0609

Also “Mini”pigs are anything under 300 pounds ! So don’t get a pig unless you can actually care for them 💗

Faelen

As a piggy owner and self proclaimed piggy Lorax …. Only bad owners not bad pigs they’re prey animals who are mostly blind so they get very scared in unfamiliar situations! Justice for Heidi!

Faelen

Eliza dropping the Search Engine reference oh myyy

tinypurse

I worked for an interior designer that had the whole place bugged and filmed and she never disclosed it to us. I found out from a coworker. Wild.

savannah

his appearance doesn't really do it for me but his charisma is so attractive

legumegorl

I’ve been WAITING for their statements

Mar z

Lololol one of my best friends worked at a vape shop and would get sooooo fucking upset that the owner watched him on the CCTV cams so he stripped down to his undies 😭

Mar z

glen powell looks rodent and not in a good way!!

lauren

Nooooo Babydog is what we call my cat

and yes i did get yelled at in front of the entire staff because of it

legumegorl

i worked at an ice cream shop where the owner’s mom would watch us on the security cameras and call and yell at us if we stood still/sat down :(

Maggie O'Connor

currently at my cleaning job this just gave me the strength to finish my last place thank u lovelies #maid

Vivian

i used to work at a butcher shop owned by a french guy and he had cameras all over the shop that he could watch live but he would also like rewind and watch past videos so you never knew when he was watching and if he'd catch mistakes you made it was so awful :-)

legumegorl

THANK YOU GLEN POWELL IS NOT SEXY!!!!

savannah

charlotte was the spider in 'charlotte’s web', wilbur was the piggggg

virginia

please speak out about the egg apron

Madison

The person you were referencing from the RNC is WV Governor Jim Justice and his hideous creature named Babydog. I encourage you to look into the Babydog lore. Our entire vaccine campaign during the pandemic was called "Do it for Babydog." https://doitforbabydog.wv.gov/

Phoebe

Glen Powell is so hot in Hit Man

maya

girls your minds

Anna Young

elizaaaaa not i love little boys 😭😭

Tess Knoll

in tears at julia saying “is he a pedophile? i just thought he was ugly”

kayla

Listening to the “performing the American pastoral” episode!

Gigi Bazyler

julia we neeed a ballerina farm episode/commentary i have been dying to hear your thoughts

tessa whiteley

I’ve been waiting for this one, turn it up!

Abi

WE ARE SO BACK

meyla

love it love it listening immediately -bub

sis and bub

i organized my whole place to last weeks episode last night, needed something to deep clean to 🧚‍♂️

ace

this title popped up as i was reading about jd vance getting audio leaked AND email leaked in the past 24 hours lol

tori lonsdale

Clicked so quick

Diana Sarah

amazing i’m going for a walk immediately

mimi kiki

Omg not when I was just looking for something to listen to … bless

Areej Khan


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