S4E1: Heat
Added 2024-11-16 18:17:41 +0000 UTCThats right folks, it's a whole new season, it's a whole new look (Courtesy of John Delucca), it's a whole new us! But in most of the really critical ways it is very much the same us.
It's time for the long-awaited "Heist Szn"(sic)- and we open with a little film called Heat. You may have heard of it.
Joining us is Dr. M.R. Geldof, host of the Dr Violence podcast!
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Val Kilmer reloads his M733 ;) Was on and of about subscribing because i already sub WTYP and TF and money you know. But Seeing tgis brought me to be a patreon, a marvellous job and looking forward to a lot of content. Good day all
magi
2025-05-18 17:02:51 +0000 UTCThat movie taught me to make my battle plans rhyme to enhance memorization. Also I'd love to see how they talk about the death penalty, the treatment of the black prisoner and the indigenous prisoner, and Telly Savalas' psychotic hatred of women
Andrew Dunn
2025-01-05 01:08:38 +0000 UTCAlso when you realize that John Cusack is 28 YEARS OLD you'll have a heart attack
Andrew Dunn
2025-01-05 01:01:45 +0000 UTCaccidentally watched this movie for the first time while wearing my goncharov movie poster shirt, which has both pacino and de niro on it. very silly coincidence! also, re: rockstar games lifting things from this movie, i'm surprised nobody mentioned the fact that micah bell is just 1890s waingro (almost down to the facial hair)!
Peter Paul Rubens' Muse
2025-01-04 06:26:16 +0000 UTCCame here to say this!! I would give anything to hear them talk about Logan Lucky!
Lauren Shear
2025-01-01 03:21:18 +0000 UTCK.
Madelyn
2024-12-15 15:20:39 +0000 UTCIt is FASCINATING to hear the scum score discussion on this in the wake of the United Health Insurance CEO assassin
Maxi Mailloux
2024-12-10 12:55:47 +0000 UTCAfter hearing this I'm really interested to hear your take on Grosse Point Blank, which actually tries to address this same world of males who are defined by their violence and alienation and also have a woman's perspective. (And Hank Azaria.) I don't want to contribute to any preconceptions by saying whether it succeeds or fumbles it, but it definitely does one of the two. It's not quite a heist movie, it's an assassin movie, but I think it can be stretched to fit. (Then again, I've been saying that since Bond season.)
JoeNotCharles
2024-12-07 17:10:10 +0000 UTCFair point lol
LACON B VAIL
2024-12-02 23:38:23 +0000 UTCI didn't bother pointing that out, given that no-one cared about Henry Rollins.
Dr. M.R. Geldof
2024-12-02 23:28:26 +0000 UTCDont know if anyone else mentioned this but the contact at the club is Tone Loc. Think Funky Cold Medina and Wild Thing
LACON B VAIL
2024-12-02 22:03:21 +0000 UTCKANE AND LYNCH REFERENCE
Dannysaysnoo
2024-12-02 08:58:16 +0000 UTCThe Airfield scene reminds me of Bullitt 1968 with Steve McQueen
Lillie S.
2024-12-02 08:50:02 +0000 UTCPetition for "unprovoked violence" to be partially used to rate the robbers' reasoning for their heist?
Man2quilla
2024-11-30 20:22:57 +0000 UTCThere was this movie about robbers feeling the HEAT from cops, and how they dealt with the HEAT, and some of them craved the HEAT. …I think it was called “the heist that couldn’t slow down”.
Allana Langen
2024-11-27 00:26:11 +0000 UTCThe Unit reference, Nova you are not helping the parasocial relationship
Ezra
2024-11-26 18:38:03 +0000 UTC"Ashley Judd was cheating on Val Kilmer with Hank Azaria" is not a sentence I'd have ever thought I'd need to say.
Jon W
2024-11-25 15:05:40 +0000 UTCFor anyone interested: https://youtu.be/DFMtTF0hgBE?si=FfFHGJdWqfQAhoM_
Alma Blue
2024-11-25 02:35:59 +0000 UTCSomething I'd want to add, you all mentioned the North Hollywood Shootout, and I believe Dr. Geldof pointed out it happened *after* the movie, even weirder, according to wikipedia, one of the two shooters had a copy of Heat in his VHS player.
Gabe
2024-11-24 06:21:16 +0000 UTCOn one hand I hesitate to suggest it because it doesn't really lend itself to a beat-by-beat plot summary, but it is an *experience*, and I think it has things to say about being an artist and making art for its own sake that I'd love to hear the hosts' take on Everyone should at least check out the trailer for the fantastic bank robbery/concert
Jørgen Lund
2024-11-23 18:38:45 +0000 UTCYou gotta revisit Daniel Craig by doing his heist movie Logan Lucky!!!
Adria Reed
2024-11-23 16:36:55 +0000 UTCI'd like to suggest The Dirty Dozen as a heist movie. It is technically a war movie but it has all the elements of a heist.
Perry
2024-11-22 16:40:54 +0000 UTCAfter watching The People's Joker I like to think about other The People's movies. The People's Heat
John
2024-11-22 10:57:27 +0000 UTCIdk why, but y'all should watch The Fugitive
Man2quilla
2024-11-22 04:22:15 +0000 UTCAs November mentioned with Payday: The Heist, in the original game when you go loud in the bank, the AI heisters will actually paraphrase the rehearsed speech from Heat, table-climbing and all. Obviously Payday 2 leaned in even further with a set of heists themed after the armored transport heist from the start of the movie, including a bunch of references-- plus the hockey masks.
Stephen Gilbert
2024-11-22 01:44:21 +0000 UTCCame here to say the same, I'd kill (james bond) for a poster
Parker Squirrell
2024-11-20 14:30:39 +0000 UTCSOUND OF NOISE not a heist movie but follows all the beats of a heist movie. Thank you for teaching me the beats of a heist movie. My favorite film, Sound of Noise, has a “put the team together” scene, a cop hunting them down, and a bank robbery where they steal a performance!
Elizabeth Solomon
2024-11-19 21:44:09 +0000 UTCPlease make merch featuring that art. I need it on my wall. Or on a t-shirt. But mostly on my wall.
Rianne Werring
2024-11-19 19:42:25 +0000 UTCWhen I was in college I took a film directing course and one of our assignments was to pick a dialogue scene between two characters from a film we hadn’t scene and direct two classmates (who also hadn’t scene the film) performing the scene in front of the class. One of my classmates picked the diner scene between DeNero and Pacino and asked (pre-transition) me to play the Pacino part. The one note he kept giving me was “remember, this guy’s wife just left him” and in retrospect I think he wanted me to give a bigger, more emotional performance. He wanted that coked up Pacino energy but I wasn’t really able to give that. I felt like this was a scene of two cats circling each other in an alley before a fight and that the fireworks would come later so I played it very cautiously and understated. I’m a terrible actor (and obviously awful at taking direction) but I do feel a little vindicated finally watching the film all these years later and seeing how Pacino plays this scene.
Paige
2024-11-19 18:25:16 +0000 UTCKinda surprised they didn't recognise Tom Noonan, who was indeed in Manhunter but was also Cain in Robocop 2. Point Break I think is worth a look as it is a robbery film and has a fair bit to say about masculinity. To be honest a good chunk of Kathryn Bigelow's work is worth having a look at including Near Dark for when you do Horror Season.
Delwyn Gee
2024-11-19 17:26:36 +0000 UTCThe meta-ness of her anxiety over being forgotten and then literally being forgotten by the characters and the viewer. Pacino's character showing knowledge of medicine by demanding an exact regimen of care with specific specialists
Andrew Dunn
2024-11-19 10:41:55 +0000 UTCGuest had to repeat himself to make sure they heard him
Andrew Dunn
2024-11-19 10:40:32 +0000 UTCNever mind Val's reload, the scene where Bobby D (or his body double) runs across the runway like a 5 year old girl running for the ice cream van is hilarious
Louise Duke
2024-11-19 01:25:08 +0000 UTCI dissociated when the guest said “that’s actually Henry Rollins” and the hosts had next to zero reaction
A Gaggle of Geckos
2024-11-18 23:23:44 +0000 UTCI haven't finished the episode but wanted to come in and say here how obsessed I am with the new artwork. Incredible detail, just stunning
Clare
2024-11-18 20:26:38 +0000 UTCweird to me that nova completely bounced off the suicide attempt scene, i thought it was really affecting as like the one human moment of genuine care and concern in the entire film
Adepta Sororitas hazing ritual
2024-11-18 19:33:19 +0000 UTCGreat start to the season!
Orion666
2024-11-18 17:24:44 +0000 UTCAbsolutely seconded. Take my money
BarFly
2024-11-18 16:18:58 +0000 UTCWishcasting for Robbery Season: Sneakers and the sister movie Hackers!
Justin Johns
2024-11-18 15:47:25 +0000 UTCThere's a scene in the Miami Vice episode Calderone's Return: Part 1 where a hitman (played by the show's firearms instructor) pulls off a blisteringly fast quickdraw and Mozambique which has similarly been used in training programs. Mann loves Gun Competence.
BarFly
2024-11-18 14:58:59 +0000 UTCGorgeous kickoff to Robbery Season. I'm putting my marker down: hoping for some of the adaptations of Donald Westlake's Parker novels which codified the Dispassionate Crime Guy Point Blank: the greatest Neo Noir Parker: surprisingly good The Split: guys I love to see Payback: make sure you decide which version to watch
BarFly
2024-11-18 14:48:25 +0000 UTCThis season's poster is absolutely gorgeous 😍
ComicTF
2024-11-18 14:21:47 +0000 UTCi like the implication that abi had such a bad goatee that she simply had to transition
Ysa
2024-11-18 14:03:49 +0000 UTC"Like a cheap suit" is a phrase that my mother uses, so it's funny to hear it invoked as a piece of cool Michael Mann-type Crimes Guy argot. Mid century slang is just like that I guess.
BarFly
2024-11-18 13:08:52 +0000 UTCAbsolutely love this Robert McGinnis style season art.
BarFly
2024-11-18 11:43:54 +0000 UTCThat new Cover art slaps so incredibly hard! I am very hyped for robbery szn!
Meonlights
2024-11-18 11:32:04 +0000 UTCAt the Val Kilmer reload bit and thinking about the scene from collateral where tom cruise (as Vincent Collateral) quick draws on those hoodlums and how that used in quickdraw training programs cuz he was that good at it. Michael mann owns, lol
iaguz
2024-11-18 09:27:56 +0000 UTCOne Heat Minute really is a conceptually brilliant podcast that has some good and bad episodes, but also due to its nature dives so deep into every little decision made by every member of the cast and crew and gives you an incredible insight into both the production and the mania of people who will do a podcast like One Heat Minute. If you enjoy Heat it really is worth listening to.
Anders Russell
2024-11-18 03:17:57 +0000 UTCOne of the episodes of One Heat Minute is an interview with an Australian Federal Police organised crime guy who is friends with the podcast host. He is extremely clear that in his eyes the correct move was to arrest them for the break and enter, because then you have six months of them not taking scores, and also six months to run down every lead and see what you can pin on them.
Anders Russell
2024-11-18 03:14:39 +0000 UTCPlease please do Public Enemies with Johnny Depp and Marion Cotillard.
Saint Muerte
2024-11-18 02:58:17 +0000 UTCHey, I don't know if anyone's reading comments at this point, but I want to give my highest recommendation to Michael Mann's commentaries. If you can get your hands on a DVD with commentary for "Collateral", "Heat", etc. then do it. It's fascinating. He's got this workaday attitude about filmmaking that's enigmatic. On the one hand, what he says sounds impossibly simple. On the other hand, that simplicity is the point. He is fixated on "How does this scene serve the plot" and it's such a damn pleasure to see how that informs the film, because so many directors who don't hew to such basic principles go for flash instead, and it comes out as shit.
Ol' Firebones
2024-11-18 02:01:19 +0000 UTCDon't know if you're taking requests/suggestions, but for a robbery movie with things to say about masculinity, I hope you do Point Break some time.
Marsupial8192
2024-11-17 22:50:07 +0000 UTCAlso his dynamic with Pitt’s character is 100% “Ex with whom he’s had a messy breakup with but that’s in the past and they settle into an old relationship dynamic easily” Also in one of those movies part of the plan involves “salting and inciting a strike in a factory”
John Leavitt
2024-11-17 22:32:31 +0000 UTCThat's a live show fit!
any acronym... thats who YOU ARE
2024-11-17 22:00:46 +0000 UTC10/10 episode art!
any acronym... thats who YOU ARE
2024-11-17 22:00:17 +0000 UTCIs Kelly's Heroes a heist movie?
Bob
2024-11-17 20:46:34 +0000 UTCdev's fit in the new art is fantastic, absolute gender goals
mira_drgn
2024-11-17 19:57:46 +0000 UTCThe guest was incredible! Please bring him back for more episodes
Forest Joy and Shahar Shrek
2024-11-17 18:49:53 +0000 UTCIf you're looking for a heist movie about Women, do Bound (1996) if it isn't already on the list. It's about lesbians, which are a type of woman.
SleepinBelle
2024-11-17 18:27:03 +0000 UTCBased on everything that's happened since the release of Payday 2, I'm convinced that game was the biggest fluke success ever.
Sammi
2024-11-17 16:33:59 +0000 UTCPlease please please make this artwork a poster we can buy and hang on our wall!
Jimothy
2024-11-17 15:39:02 +0000 UTCI've said it before: the heist in Ocean's 11 only holds together because George Clooney's character is actually a witch. Looking forward to seeing what you all think of it.
Jack Fennell
2024-11-17 15:38:20 +0000 UTCFor a heist, coldness is better
Andrew Dunn
2024-11-17 13:30:26 +0000 UTCFranz Copfka to his wife: "My chains. Don't touch my motherfucking chains!"
Noblesse Oblahaj
2024-11-17 12:50:05 +0000 UTCI'm fine with games cribbing Michael Mann. The Heat shootout rocked in GTA 4 and 5, it rocked in Payday 2- it's great, always. But the sound is never as good as Michael Manns. I want that gunfire to be as good as Bad Company 2 with war tapes on. I want that gunfire to rattle my teeth
Noblesse Oblahaj
2024-11-17 12:36:37 +0000 UTCCan't wait for the baby driver episode!
Erin Taylor
2024-11-17 12:25:53 +0000 UTCThat is a fucking great new art
Peter Larkin
2024-11-17 12:08:11 +0000 UTCThere is a very well researched book, NORCO ‘80 on the subject. The shootout, which wrecked dozens of cop cars, brought a helicopter down, and led to a miles long police chase into the mountains, was responded to by cops armed almost exclusively with revolvers and shotguns and one officer who stole an M16 from an evidence locker. The author made a decent case that that shootout in particular was the turning point for the militarization of the police in the U.S. that started bringing Glocks, body armor, and “assault rifle” style weapons into police armories.
Alex Anderson
2024-11-17 10:56:42 +0000 UTCThe Heat Diner Conversation is peak storytelling, change my mind.
hailthefish
2024-11-17 09:09:37 +0000 UTCI am begging you to sell posters of the new art. do whatever you want with me just give me the printssssss
Jay Galbraith
2024-11-17 07:13:44 +0000 UTCI like to imagine that the morning after the ending scene, Al Pacino's cop boss called him into the office to explain why they had the gang who had just done a mass shooting and killed half the department caught red handed breaking and entering a deserted warehouse at night without their assault rifles and with a SWAT team on full alert, but let them go. Imagine explaining that as "well I didn't want to book them for such a chickenshit felony".
OvO Hoot
2024-11-17 06:26:17 +0000 UTCSecond this.
chris
2024-11-17 04:30:08 +0000 UTCThe Mozambique Drill is referenced in Titanfall 2 & Apex Legends with the Mozambique Pistol. That's why it is in a pyramidal tri-barrel gun. 2 side by side in the chest and one above for the head.
chris
2024-11-17 04:29:38 +0000 UTCSince the first heist is in the film "Heat", I suggest measuring the qualities of a heist in temperature. If this movie is the ideal human temp which is, according to the WHO, 18°C, then better or worst heists go up or down the thermostat. Don't know what direction better or worst would be though.
chris
2024-11-17 04:02:54 +0000 UTCNot gonna lie, the bit where the hosts claim that the crew’s unprovoked violence is something you’re meant to think is based and correct made me want to a 10-hit combo on some drywall. My good hosts, the reason the shootout is that loud and destructive and violent is because it’s when all of Neil’s crew crosses a moral line. The crew does not care about ANYONE in the way of their goals, and this is something the film is explicitly condemnatory of. Did you think the wreckage of the shootout was just set dressing?
Ineloquent Reverie
2024-11-17 03:43:37 +0000 UTCYeah I know but November wasn’t on that episode, and I want to hear Abby talk about Ben Kingsley’s performance
Dean Sartorel
2024-11-17 03:40:12 +0000 UTCBritainology (one of the Trash Future spinoffs) did that a few months ago.
Brian Taulbee
2024-11-17 03:38:40 +0000 UTCTHE ART!!!!!!
Peter Paul Rubens' Muse
2024-11-17 03:15:00 +0000 UTCEventually you need to do the movie Sexy Beast as an odd ball heist season movie
Dean Sartorel
2024-11-17 03:11:26 +0000 UTCI think the staying power of the bank heist really sums itself up to me by the fact that in effect, I am making an entire board game based on it and its children. That one scene is something that could spawn a multi-million dollar franchise and, potentially if I get some fucking initiative a tactical board game. …Downtown Withdrawal, hopefully on sale some time within the 2020s.
Ineloquent Reverie
2024-11-17 03:04:21 +0000 UTCthe one and only exposure ive had to Heat prior to this was the Chris Flemming bit where he describes it as one of the all time great gay American films, and the phrase "he's got the bouffant of a former nun" is still rattling around in my head
LCB Meyneth
2024-11-17 03:00:24 +0000 UTCVery excited for Heist Season. Can I recommend The Good Thief by Neil Jordan.
Jacob King
2024-11-17 02:40:01 +0000 UTCI'm amazed nobody made a Dr Kaufman reference when you had a doctor in violence studies...
Visphendant
2024-11-17 02:36:12 +0000 UTC"Heat 2 (Women)"? You mean Sugar & Spice (2001)?
Brian Danger Hicks
2024-11-17 01:21:01 +0000 UTCWhat a great episode. The comment at the end about the similarities between cops and crooks in this genre makes me think that this is why Miami Vice is so good. It makes the cops the ones doing the heists (for ostensibly good reasons). Best of both worlds.
Brian Taulbee
2024-11-17 01:20:09 +0000 UTCNovember talked about the possibility that there is a movie that scores a 0 in all categories on the scum spectrum. Set It Off is that movie for me.
November Snow
2024-11-17 01:02:02 +0000 UTC"that was the actors real reaction" stories are always bullshit
Andrew Dunn
2024-11-17 00:37:19 +0000 UTCSneakers is like, insanely prescient about how technology and government would interact
John Leavitt
2024-11-16 23:51:44 +0000 UTCI knew I would make that mistake, since they are both in this.
Dr. M.R. Geldof
2024-11-16 23:24:06 +0000 UTCLooking up the Norco shootout Dr Violence mentioned as a possible inspiration, "[...]five men armed with shotguns, a G3 rifle, HK93s, handguns, AR-15s, a katana and an improvised explosive device robbed the Norco branch of Security Pacific Bank." Without reading any further, I am inclined to say dudes rock.
Raymond Price
2024-11-16 23:15:14 +0000 UTCTed Levine played Buffalo Bill, not the Tooth Fairy.
Doug King
2024-11-16 23:06:53 +0000 UTCNot just marines, that Val reload scene was shown to in me in army bootcamp repeatedly. Reloading may not be a gender, but it's definitely a kink judging by how the ssgt's drooled over this scene
Bilbro T. Baggins
2024-11-16 22:27:42 +0000 UTCAwesome episode. Wonder if Sneakers will get covered.
James Rule
2024-11-16 22:20:05 +0000 UTCooooh shit PLEASE make that art purchasable!
Ros Ballinger
2024-11-16 22:15:29 +0000 UTCSo keen for the rest of this season! (Also, no excuse for suggesting it but please watch Shallow Grave (1994) for a bonus ep sometime. Absolutely fire movie and Christopher Eccleston is amazing in it.)
Rosemary Selth
2024-11-16 22:11:25 +0000 UTCLoooove the new logo!!!!
Jack Holmes
2024-11-16 21:55:03 +0000 UTCZwxp
fred henning
2024-11-16 21:47:00 +0000 UTCHad to stop the podcast to watch the gunfight. Gods damn that's an amazing gun fight. Also, to counteract the overwhelming maleness of a lot of the heist movies, KJB could do "Set It Off".
Ben Schwabe
2024-11-16 21:43:36 +0000 UTCNovember on the "1 Minute of Heat" podcast, that I also haven't listened to, reminded me of that one Dr. Who writer who heard about the concept of TNG's "Darmok." He said he never watched it, just wanted to think about it forever.
Gary Alexander
2024-11-16 21:31:35 +0000 UTCThe new artwork fucks, let's gooo
Thomas Noriega
2024-11-16 20:54:29 +0000 UTCUnreasonably excited for the Oceans!
Tall Jeff
2024-11-16 20:44:19 +0000 UTCHoly moly, that art
Christine Pizan
2024-11-16 20:43:37 +0000 UTCI'm so happy ;_;
moss
2024-11-16 20:05:22 +0000 UTCI'm guessing Nate Bethea, the editor and occasional guest on this pod.
Raymond Price
2024-11-16 19:48:14 +0000 UTCWho’s the fourth person in the new (absolutely fucking awesome) art?
Brian Taulbee
2024-11-16 19:36:23 +0000 UTCMan, that’s some killer new art. Looking up the artist asap.
Tuur Verheyde
2024-11-16 19:09:57 +0000 UTCoh the art was absolutely worth the wait i'm obsessed
miniplane
2024-11-16 19:09:30 +0000 UTCI want that art framed on my wall like I want that twink obliterated
Alex
2024-11-16 19:02:42 +0000 UTC...wait this isnt the patreon? i am confusestet
Gilded Dragon
2024-11-16 19:02:15 +0000 UTCOMG
Ol' Firebones
2024-11-16 18:59:40 +0000 UTCDoes Elysium count as a heist film?
Bilbro T. Baggins
2024-11-16 18:57:41 +0000 UTCPlease release the new art as print we can buy. Something something capitalism
Nora Lloyd
2024-11-16 18:48:19 +0000 UTCVery November to get a Mountain Goats cover artist
Samantha
2024-11-16 18:46:05 +0000 UTCThis is the podcasting event of the decade
Ineloquent Reverie
2024-11-16 18:45:57 +0000 UTCLetsgooooooo
Frank Leonard
2024-11-16 18:44:18 +0000 UTCI can’t believe I got beat to “drop of a hat these guys rock and roll” by the title roll
Tyler
2024-11-16 18:27:29 +0000 UTCFinally! Heist Season is here! With fantastic new art to boot!
Doug King
2024-11-16 18:27:26 +0000 UTCThat new art is incredible
Nah
2024-11-16 18:25:15 +0000 UTCHavnt even hit play but That Art is already at 10/10
PigeonTom
2024-11-16 18:24:23 +0000 UTCT shirt when?
Friend of the show
2024-11-16 18:23:48 +0000 UTCI honestly never really *got* what Payday was going for until I watched this movie.
Ean Manley
2024-11-16 18:23:07 +0000 UTCAlso i love that this is the movie that lead to the creation of payday 2 ( / the heist), the worst best co op shooter ever
Tecro 47
2024-11-16 18:21:44 +0000 UTCBabe wake up, new Season KJB just dropped
Tecro 47
2024-11-16 18:21:03 +0000 UTCThat image is 🔥
Nick Gully
2024-11-16 18:20:43 +0000 UTCWE'RE SO BACK
dartheritis
2024-11-16 18:20:41 +0000 UTCThe John Delucca art goes so hard
Kacey Riley
2024-11-16 18:20:09 +0000 UTCOh fuck yes Heat is so good I cannot wait to listen to this
RIP Officer DeeDee Megadoodoo
2024-11-16 18:19:34 +0000 UTC
