S4E2: Ocean's 11 (1960)
Added 2024-11-30 10:29:32 +0000 UTCThis week, we literally cannot help ourselves. No sooner are we free of the 1960s do we dive right back in to talk about the original Ocean's 11! This Rat Pack classic caper stars various white boys sure to make your nan point at the screen and pog out.
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Comments
Playing catchup om this season. As a kid in the US, I was taught to respond to adults including parents and teachers with 'yes sir' and 'yes ma'am,' as a sign of respect. Not using appropriate greetings is a sign of poor home training and coild be grounds for disciplinary action.
Kisa
2025-04-14 18:22:34 +0000 UTCUnfortunately "a bunch of short dudes who look alike" does describe many transmasc friend groups
Felixir of Life
2025-03-04 17:13:57 +0000 UTCI'm reading the novel "Godfather Returns", which has a storyline where Italian crooner Johnny Fontane has invited young Irish president to his Las Vegas mansion, which he has customized for his visit, around the time of a disastrous American-backed invasion of Cuba. In chapter 25, he destroys the helipad with TNT
Andrew Dunn
2024-12-19 13:56:51 +0000 UTCSilva, Bishop, and Sammy Davis Jr. reunited three years later in the film Johnny Cool, in which Davis looks the absolute coolest anyone has ever looked. Unfortunately we'll have to wait for noir/revenge season for the pod to cover it.
BarFly
2024-12-13 19:20:13 +0000 UTCHas everyone heard Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis' dirty comedy song "blow me (a kiss)?"
Andrew Dunn
2024-12-10 16:41:53 +0000 UTCAll the mentions of 3 Kings, does that mean Kelly's Heroes is also on the table for wartime heist movies?
George Barker
2024-12-07 21:25:25 +0000 UTCI also thought Sammy Davis Jr was gay, and I know exactly where I got this idea. I’m curious if Abi might have gotten it from the same place. In the episode of Epic Rap Battles of History where Freddy Mercury battles Frank Sinatra, he says the line “I love the coloreds and the queers: just ask Sammy Davis”.
Adria Reed
2024-12-07 21:25:10 +0000 UTCIn the 1960s being a bit fruity and wearing a baby blue romper was the straightest you could be. Being a big, burly muscle man meant you were flaming.
Thomas Stanley
2024-12-04 23:22:50 +0000 UTCI saw it on Mr Sunday Movies far too long ago and it was a sight to behold
Kieron Peddle
2024-12-04 11:42:15 +0000 UTCDen Of Thieves pod will either be the best or the worst one depending on how much the hosts understand that you aren’t actually supposed to like or idolize the cop protagonists
Ineloquent Reverie
2024-12-04 05:19:18 +0000 UTCThe ASP in aspergers stands for Autosinatraphile
YungCereza
2024-12-03 19:59:43 +0000 UTCas the 1960s history hobbyist, i cannot think of anything from the period the Rat Pack would be satirizing with the remark about “repealing the 14th and the 20th Amendment”. The only vaguely connected thing I can think of is that JFK had promised to support an “equal rights amendment” around the time this was being filmed, which received pushback from labor, but the joke reads to me more as a “HOW ABOUT THEM BROADS” more than anything.
QuoProQuid
2024-12-03 19:45:23 +0000 UTCThat father-child interaction with the "sir" shit sent a chill down my spine ngl
Freyr Aloysius
2024-12-03 17:38:40 +0000 UTCThe Maxim Gun, aka the Spinny Weezer Gun
Just the Worst
2024-12-03 04:42:57 +0000 UTCThat's such an underrated film. Good heart, good writing, and funny as hell.
Saint Muerte
2024-12-03 04:32:12 +0000 UTCSo was he just locked out of his hotel room the whole time, since he gave away the key?
-Kris-
2024-12-03 03:55:05 +0000 UTCI really hope you watch Logan Lucky this season, if only because I remember Adam Driver's accent wandering off to some odd places sometimes.
Chad Countiss
2024-12-02 23:45:30 +0000 UTCWhen I read the plot of this film on wikipedia, as I am wont to do before listening to an episode, the ending made me think... surely they did not feel bound by Hays code restrictions in 1960? It was a dead letter by then!!
Christine Pizan
2024-12-02 19:42:22 +0000 UTCMillennials might know the song Mr. Booze from Family Guy and not know that it’s from Robin and the 7 Hoods, complete with practical effects. Unhinged and boring in that special rat pack way.
Tall Jeff
2024-12-02 18:46:56 +0000 UTCI really hope they cover another Rat Pack movie. There was a Robin Hood one I reckon they would have an absolute field day with
Kieron Peddle
2024-12-02 18:07:00 +0000 UTCThank you, fellow pedant.
Athena Von Tharsis
2024-12-02 16:35:39 +0000 UTCKelly's Heroes is an all-time favorite of mine I'd love it if KJB watched it. (I bet it would drive November insane with how fast and loose it plays with the army stuff).
Solysp
2024-12-02 15:28:07 +0000 UTCMy parents Absolutely made me call them Sir and Ma'am and routinely threatened me with military academy for any minor infraction. There is No correlation between that, that I haven't spoken to my bio family in years, or that I call my Gf mommy
7 Bitches In A Trench Coat
2024-12-02 14:32:04 +0000 UTCI really hope so, they make such a good pairing. Both wartime heist films but one from a "fun" war and the other from a "bad" war
Moray Macdonald
2024-12-02 14:12:28 +0000 UTCIf my children called me “sir” I’d say “oh, don’t *you* fucking start”
Jae H
2024-12-02 11:58:12 +0000 UTCI have a suggestion for Devon: sharp Sinatra-type suit, but with no sleeves.
BarFly
2024-12-02 11:56:42 +0000 UTCFrankie Sinatra - The Avalanches (2016)
Carlfish
2024-12-02 08:14:08 +0000 UTCIs a platonic polycule a platocule or a broacule? Comparing the energy in this episode to the end of euro-spy, I think youse should avoid doing movies for completeness. Only do a movie if youse are interested in it (love/hate) because then the show has energy and flow.
MFH
2024-12-02 03:28:07 +0000 UTCAbi isn’t the first to think Sammy Davis Jr was gay. ERB made a joke about how fruity he was in their Frank Sinatra vs Freddie Mercury episode
Skate Bush
2024-12-02 00:05:49 +0000 UTCKJB had such wonderful things to say about Cesar Romero in this movie that I immediately went to YouTube and did a search. It showed me the scene where Cesar Romero visits Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin in the hotel room. I think I can answer the “why didn’t they kill him” question. They tried. Watch that scene again. Sinatra spends most of the scene trying to sneak up behind Romero. His hand touches the bottle behind Romero’s head. Romero clocks it instantly and stands up, and that’s when I realized he had sat in the chair on purpose. He wanted to see if they would try to kill him, so he could show them they would never get the drop on him. Wonderful scene. I don’t know about the rest of the movie. I haven’t seen it.
Keith D. Jones
2024-12-01 23:00:53 +0000 UTCDead Presidents, there's a movie I haven't heard people mention in a long time.
James Rule
2024-12-01 20:39:11 +0000 UTCNovember is mostly right, the US military did not desegregate until after WWII, but there was a brief period around the battle of the bulge where units were desperate for emplacements and some black servicemen who were in non-combat roles were allowed into combat to plug holes in white infantry regiments.
Something
2024-12-01 20:20:23 +0000 UTCIf Three Kings counts for heist season, is Kelly's Heroes also on the list?
James Rule
2024-12-01 19:04:39 +0000 UTCInteresting little fact, the actor who plays Acebos’ butler is a left wing writer named Hsi Tseng Tsiang
OneHappyChipmunk
2024-12-01 18:39:04 +0000 UTCI wonder if they were trying to be anti-racist and therefore racism bad and racist institutions are bad but they were also trying to be pro troops/vets and they got caught up in a cognitive dissonance paradox and ended up retroactively desegregating the military?
Damien Tonkin
2024-12-01 08:34:04 +0000 UTCI’m not sure if this is a Rosetta Stone of heist movies. After you’ve finished with all the Oceans (including Logan Lucky) you’ll need to get over to France and check out Rififi and Bob le Flambeur.
Jacob King
2024-12-01 04:49:46 +0000 UTCthe slack pack
Emilio Porras Vergara
2024-12-01 03:41:53 +0000 UTCHey Gals & Dev, y'all forgot Oceans: West Virginia, or Logan Lucky, the heist film that has all the elements of an oceans film but none of the Clooney or Pitt.
Frank Clay
2024-12-01 02:36:09 +0000 UTCas a Southern trans woman, I did call my dad Sir, when I still spoke to him. But Abby clocked me bad, he is hella insecure.
Jess Edwards
2024-12-01 01:39:43 +0000 UTCI know about Red Skelton because my parents have one of his paintings of a clown. It is of course horrifying and I have hated it my whole life.
Tall Jeff
2024-12-01 00:13:36 +0000 UTCRed Skeleton is definitely a minor Metal Gear character
RBK
2024-11-30 23:14:06 +0000 UTCThat's just SO MUCH WORK though and I already wrote the post
The Project Project
2024-11-30 23:08:50 +0000 UTCI remember during the promotion for the '90s movie they had one of the Rat Pack guys on and he confirmed that the resolution was entirely a Hayes Code thing and he wished they could've just got away with the money. In terms of the whole hanging out with your buddies and occasionally a movie comes out of it, I guess the true heir to Frank Sinatra and the Rat Pack is Adam Sandler. Not Uncut Gems Adam Sandler or Punch Drunk Love Adam Sandler but Parade of Forgettable Straight-to-Netflix Movies Adam Sandler.
Brian Danger Hicks
2024-11-30 22:58:49 +0000 UTCPatreon lets you edit your donation amount so you can subscribe to the lowest tier but still give £15+ if you actually want to get dropped
Alma Blue
2024-11-30 22:52:57 +0000 UTCThe "Abi doesn't know something" curve has gone from tribbing to Liza to Red Skelton; I'm not sure if it's getting better or worse.
Chibigodzilla
2024-11-30 22:13:55 +0000 UTC*Donning the Sinatra grandma, _Salmon Angora Sweater_* ..."got that shit ON"
Alexander Baez Ubeira
2024-11-30 21:49:39 +0000 UTCOkay but this kind of happened with Love Story. It was first a screenplay but his agent suggested they could make more of it being adapted from a novel so it was rewritten as prose, marketed to hell and back, and now there was big buzz for the movie version
John Leavitt
2024-11-30 21:41:37 +0000 UTCmy favorite part was them playing conway's game of life with the moving dots at the beginning, i expected >computer< to be more of a theme
Bones
2024-11-30 21:39:31 +0000 UTCI would like to use this opportunity to introduce my theory of the Hollywood Pre-make, which is like a remake. Except it's when Hollywood makes a movie in the 2000's that feels like it should have already existed, so they travel back in time and make an earlier version of it several decades ago, making it appear, retroactively, that the original was a remake.
Michael Tonus
2024-11-30 21:25:42 +0000 UTCWondering if they are going to do / have heard of "Dead Presidents". 1995 movie about a Black Vietnam veteran who returns home and decides he has to do a bank heist in order to keep his head above water. Has Chris Tucker (in a serious role) and Keith David.
Andrew Dunn
2024-11-30 20:31:18 +0000 UTCAlso around this time he was dating Kim Novak under such a veil of secrecy the studio made him get married to a random backup dancer for a year
John Leavitt
2024-11-30 20:26:58 +0000 UTCGreat episode! And I once again renew my urging that y’all do How to Steal a Million for Robbery season, if only to turbocharge November’s 60s woman dysphoria. Also because it’s a really good movie.
Brian Taulbee
2024-11-30 19:27:31 +0000 UTC@Devon: You can go ahead and drop my name from your thank-you reading. I know I'm donating and feel reasonably confident that you're all as thankful as you can manage to be to a hog like me. You have enough to do, I don't need to stress the bounds of our parasocial relationship any further.
The Project Project
2024-11-30 18:47:40 +0000 UTCYou win.
Spaghetti
2024-11-30 18:46:12 +0000 UTCMy awareness of this movie came entirely from the SCTV comedy show parody, "Maudlin's Eleven"
AngryOldManYaddaYadda
2024-11-30 18:12:45 +0000 UTCThe drunk woman Dean Martin gets rid of, the one who says she "I don't think I could lie down without holding on!" is a young Shirley MacLaine, who was already a movie star.
Robert Young
2024-11-30 17:02:46 +0000 UTCPodcasting the parasocial wastes almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
The Project Project
2024-11-30 16:55:55 +0000 UTCDevon reviewing the Logan paul-mr beast heist movie sounds like sepukku.
Andromeda
2024-11-30 16:41:34 +0000 UTCI work in retail and while listening to this episode I heard not one, but two different dean Martin Christmas songs. It's a bit surreal
Camoose
2024-11-30 15:32:03 +0000 UTCSammy Davis Jr. had a glass eye because he got in a car wreck and impaled his face on the steering wheel.
Jason Young
2024-11-30 15:19:34 +0000 UTCI'm enjoying all the Fallout New Vegas references
Saint Muerte
2024-11-30 14:35:01 +0000 UTCOne day I want a pack with a thousand rats!
Tall Jeff
2024-11-30 14:18:46 +0000 UTCIt's 1960, Danny Ocean's are now battlefields
Peter Larkin
2024-11-30 13:49:43 +0000 UTCGunsmoke talk, maybe referring to the tv show?
Jermy
2024-11-30 13:36:20 +0000 UTCCrazy that everyone talks like Benny from New Vegas in this movie
Noblesse Oblahaj
2024-11-30 12:23:36 +0000 UTCGrew up in northwest Florida, born in 1991: the consequence of not calling your parents "sir" and "ma'am" was a spanking with a leather belt.
Andrew Dunn
2024-11-30 12:14:34 +0000 UTCFrank Sinatra sledgehammering through his helipad like John Wick to retrieve a Carcano rifle
Noblesse Oblahaj
2024-11-30 11:31:15 +0000 UTCDid not expect the Power Rangers in Space reference from Devon but that was a nice surprise.
StudentChow- Will Cowley
2024-11-30 11:16:53 +0000 UTCTangential remark: one of the weirdest 'military academy kid' movies ever is the Sylvester Stallone film "Over the Top," in which a truck driver has to reconnect with his estranged son while participating in an arm-wrestling tournament. The kid is in a military academy, which has for some reason turned him into a miniature Niles Crane, and the film positions this as the natural outcome of such an upbringing.
Jack Fennell
2024-11-30 11:01:08 +0000 UTC
