S4E7: Ocean's 8
Added 2025-02-08 10:35:42 +0000 UTCIn the latter half of the 2010s, hollywood invented an idea called 'feminism'. What 'Feminism' consisted of was making new movies from studio-owned IPs, cast of entirely women.
One example of this phenomenon is 'Ocean's 8', a movie about Danny Ocean's sister Debbie Ocean doing a girl heist for girl riches. For some reason we spoke about this for two full hours.
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Hey, Devon here. As you well know I've been working with a few gazan families to raise money for their daily living costs in the genocide. As a ceasefire has been announced, we hope soon plenty of Aid can get in and help alleviate the dire famine they're being subjected to. But until then, they still have to afford to eat, so we ask for you to keep helping them out, just a little longer.
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"Haven't lost a pope yet, 2025" there's still time, and also lol
Just the Worst
2025-05-09 05:10:44 +0000 UTCJust like how in Troy, they had written Achilles and Patroclus as lovers, but Brad Pitt refused, so they had to rewrite the relationship as "cousins".
Ada Bee
2025-03-05 22:23:24 +0000 UTCHow have you guys not watched “Miss Congeniality” yet?
Flora Dapena
2025-02-28 00:54:33 +0000 UTCI looked up Helena Bonham Carter before listening to the episode to see if she was canceled and found out she's still supporting Depp and Rowling (and implied the main cast of HP only support trans rights lest their fans cancel them) so I was like Oh ok that explains it and then listened and found out they just don't like her lol
Oh No
2025-02-23 19:30:32 +0000 UTCI do not understand Devon's distaste for NYC, it's a great city.
Gabe
2025-02-20 02:39:06 +0000 UTCI remember hearing that Bullock and Blanchett were supposed to be a couple and the studio made them cut it, which would explain a lot
Alma Blue
2025-02-17 04:02:47 +0000 UTCBased on the throwaway joke near the end, I would love an all-girl Master And Commander: Fem Side of the World
-Kris-
2025-02-16 21:02:41 +0000 UTCFun fact: Mindy Kaling's brother wrote a book about pretending to be black in order to succeed in academia despite affirmative action
Andrew Dunn
2025-02-14 19:10:50 +0000 UTCI can't believe you're skipping the final soderbergh heist movie! Logan Lucky! It's got Daniel Craig
zahracusdottir
2025-02-14 15:07:23 +0000 UTCthe other oceans movies are homosocial and this one isnt because under the regime of heterosexuality the only people who can love-and-be-loved are straight men and they can only love other straight men
God's Eepiest Soldier
2025-02-14 00:05:15 +0000 UTCis that how you say mindy kaling
Leigh
2025-02-12 17:53:25 +0000 UTCsome considerations on the SCUM score: Cultural Insensitivity-the white women all debate if they can force the black woman to deadname herself Unprovoked violence-Sandra Bullock holds a ahiv to the guy while threatening him, amd a major part of the heist is poisoning a woman. Misogyny-For all the film loves to insist on "only women", the actual heist is pulled off by one man.
deathbysamurai
2025-02-12 15:50:22 +0000 UTCWait until Abigail finds out about the cartier Lincoln Town Car
Preston Klein
2025-02-12 14:49:39 +0000 UTCAh, wasn't the Ukrainian line an Indiana Jones joke?
Claudia
2025-02-12 08:53:45 +0000 UTCSo in the jazz outro at the end of this one, Devon mentions Shrek (2001) as an example of a movie that has to be about being trans because it came out before 9/11. And I think they mean it as a joke, but Shrek is 100% a movie about being trans. Like, you know the bit near the end of the movie where Fiona vents her internalized ogrephobia to Donkey, but she's still closeted so Shrek thinks she's talking about him? Or how Fiona spends most of the movie struggling to perform normative non-ogre behavior but eventually relaxes into doing more and more ogre stuff once she feels safe to do so around Shrek who is very unapologetically an ogre? Or how Shrek's struggle to connect with other people is rooted in his very rational belief that "it's the world that seems to have a problem with me"?
John Bradley
2025-02-11 17:47:56 +0000 UTCWho is mispronouncing Cartier? Americans, straight people, hippies, the poor... I only learned how to say Versace from Showgirls.
Ben Schwabe
2025-02-11 14:14:47 +0000 UTCOh there's also one set in the national library of Paris that says "seized in revolution" on the paperwork. I think more public art should be acquired that way.
Damien Tonkin
2025-02-11 13:26:43 +0000 UTCRegarding the met gala I've been researching the history of chess for a couple of years and about half of the important artifacts are in the met museum, the other half are in the British museum, the national museum of Scotland has a few that the British museum forgot to take (no literally) and the oldest chess set ever found are in a little museum in Uzbekistan. Oh wait they've just been moved to the British Museum. It's a tiny snapshot of how world history is commodified but I think it's pretty representative.
Damien Tonkin
2025-02-11 13:24:50 +0000 UTCAbby can do Ocean's 9, Devon can do Ocean's 10 as a non binary cast and November can do Ocean's are now battlefields, the period piece heist set during the age of sail.
Camoose
2025-02-11 12:21:23 +0000 UTCAlso voiced support for the other person who's in every Tim Burton film
Damien Tonkin
2025-02-11 12:13:09 +0000 UTCIt did feel like the movie twisted itself into knots to have the shots of the gang walking down the steps in eveningwear and fancy jewels, and then the crown jewels twist renders that whole scene moot anyway since the whole plot it had been trying to get us invested in was just a small-scale distraction from the actual, boring heist.
Brian Danger Hicks
2025-02-11 02:23:01 +0000 UTCOff the back of this episode, I really want to see kjb do the 2000s st trinians movies
RowanCrimes
2025-02-10 23:24:24 +0000 UTCany chance for the paul blast mall cop 2 and/or 1 movies? they’re technically heist movies, or maybe anti-heist movies? either way would be hilarious
Soup Dealer
2025-02-10 17:19:07 +0000 UTCNot only does the final scene say "A man would have approved," it also reminds you that you could have watched a better movie.
BarFly
2025-02-10 16:51:54 +0000 UTCmy lover has a 3d printer and that thing has been having a bunch of small print failures lately, and it's taken him a while to figure out exactly which settings are the problem and how to rectify them. so the second the cubic zirconium printer appeared i imagined debbie ocean bent over the spaghettied ruins of a failed print of the hope diamond or whatever, furiously scrolling reddit for solutions and tearing her hair out bc she's on a fucking deadline
Peter Paul Rubens' Muse
2025-02-10 15:59:11 +0000 UTCSomething I've not seen mentioned is that they reuse the music from the Gilroy sex-pheromone scene in Ocean's 13 in this film. It plays when they're getting into the Met Gala and really showing off the opulence of the place, which is... A weird parallel, accidental or otherwise?
Sammi
2025-02-10 15:04:22 +0000 UTCOkay I have actually seen this one and my whole take was 'turn the movie off after you see Sigourney's wedding night lingerie, that the high point'
Kill James Bond!
2025-02-10 14:45:13 +0000 UTCAn actually good introductory sequence of a character fresh out of prison running small retail cons (credit card fraud, pawn shop laundering) to build up some seed money is contained in the The first Parker novel The Hunter, and is really well portrayed in the otherwise lackluster film adaptation Payback. (The Hunter was fantastically adapted as Point Blank but that version does not contain the opening scams)
BarFly
2025-02-10 13:21:37 +0000 UTCI love that the joke from Disco Elysium "Are women bourgeois?" with the answer "yes" is just the core thesis of this film
Nah
2025-02-10 13:17:45 +0000 UTCI mean that’s the whole hook
John Leavitt
2025-02-10 08:15:58 +0000 UTCAre you gonna do the new DnD movie since it is a heist movie?
Vladimir Tsukur
2025-02-10 08:01:36 +0000 UTCPretty sure she voiced support for children's fantasy author
Andrew Dunn
2025-02-10 06:47:20 +0000 UTCI actually am really glad that Abby has switched to "suck my dick" jokes. She deserves to feel good about herself and it helps me too. Jokes about self-harm always bring up bad thoughts for me. Good luck, Abby! I hope the therapy is helping!
Comicgeekery
2025-02-10 05:20:15 +0000 UTCWait, we aren't doing Logan Lucky Next? The Elden Ring to Ocean's Dark Souls. Or as it lovingly refers to itself as "Ocean's 7-11". It also has the first instance of Daniel Craig's southern accent.
Strike3
2025-02-10 03:40:27 +0000 UTCWait, has Helena Bonham Carter been canceled for something? I just know her as "the one chick who's in every Tim Burton film, and was also pretty good in some Merchant Ivory films", so I legit might be out of the loop here.
Benjamin
2025-02-10 00:33:16 +0000 UTCA movie that made me sob like a wounded child
Tall Jeff
2025-02-09 23:49:06 +0000 UTCBtw Awkwafina was amazing in The Farwell
Something
2025-02-09 22:46:15 +0000 UTCit’s called that because it’s where you getty the images
alex sands
2025-02-09 21:30:32 +0000 UTCLooking forward to more heists.
James Rule
2025-02-09 18:22:45 +0000 UTCI belueve this movie would be 10\10 if it were jersey mikes
theunderwolf
2025-02-09 18:11:56 +0000 UTCTbf abt pronouncing Cartier I always thought you pronounced the r in the name like “car tee air”, and I *think* there’s a baby keem song that pronounces it the same way
Brett Owen
2025-02-09 17:33:15 +0000 UTCA jewellers loupe at that distance would make the image smaller, but they got the upside down bit right
Wuppdich
2025-02-09 17:30:24 +0000 UTCRequest for spy, non-femme non-heist movie "Get Smart" with Steve Carrell. This pod would make a ton of hay out of it. (Anti-)fatness, cosmetic surgery, weaponised homosexuality, Anne Hathaway getting FFS, masculinity, post-Soviet market reform jokes, anti-fatness, Terence Stamp, Patrick Warburton, Alan Arkin
Andrew Dunn
2025-02-09 16:53:35 +0000 UTCI swear I remember one of them mentioning Heartbreakers a couple months ago
Andrew Dunn
2025-02-09 16:49:20 +0000 UTCI mean she is literally nicknamed after the water tho? I say the water brand and Nora from Queens the exact same way
Andrew Dunn
2025-02-09 16:47:55 +0000 UTCI've begged for it before. And Kelly's Heroes.
Doug King
2025-02-09 16:44:12 +0000 UTCAlso love all of them pronouncing it Aquafina
Carley They/Themsen
2025-02-09 14:46:44 +0000 UTCDev's comment about how casually you can depict a former Mossad guy as a complete psycho during this time reminded me of the one season and done Sacha Baron Cohen show Who is America, which also came out in 2018, where he's basically doing Ali G but with a whole bunch of characters. One of them is an incredibly over the top depiction of an israeli man called Erran Morrad, who is former Mossad officer and who is just a complete gleeful psychopath, an utter sadist. I can't decide if it aged extremely well or extremely poorly but it's really fucking weird he did that.
iaguz
2025-02-09 14:43:25 +0000 UTCCarti-eating da pussy? Is this anything
Josephine
2025-02-09 13:01:17 +0000 UTCAl had him killed and put him in the wall Cask of Dunkachino style
Noblesse Oblahaj
2025-02-09 12:53:44 +0000 UTCKilling Cartier was the worst Bill O'Reilly book
Noblesse Oblahaj
2025-02-09 12:38:06 +0000 UTCI only knew her from her role in Shang Chi, which was honestly kind of fun. The movie itself had terrible plotting but the cast was fun to watch.
John Benfield
2025-02-09 07:27:01 +0000 UTCsounds like it was a miserable watch for you all but it was a pretty great discussion.
QuoProQuid
2025-02-09 04:38:44 +0000 UTCWould LOVE to hear you discuss Love Lies Bleeding!
Lauren Shear
2025-02-09 04:00:16 +0000 UTCIt wasa di pohp
Hoob
2025-02-09 02:20:44 +0000 UTCA Cate Blanchett chef film would be "Tartare"
she seize my means of production til I commie
2025-02-09 02:14:21 +0000 UTCWe had movies about 9/11 before 2001. Just at the time we assumed they were about Vietnam because we hadn't heard of 9/11 yet. But of course Vietnam was actually about 9/11.
Brian Danger Hicks
2025-02-09 01:25:19 +0000 UTCI remember being excited for this cause of the cast, watching while On Substances and kinda tired and going uhhh that wasn’t very good was it? Then watching it stone cold sober and going oh …oh this is not good at all. There’s just far too much James Corden, which is a crime. Also recommending WIDOWS once again cause it’s the best description of how big city US government actually works in person which is to say extremely corrupt and petty
John Leavitt
2025-02-09 00:59:52 +0000 UTCI dig on Abi wondering how Americans might pronounce Cartier in the same podcast as she drops Mindy Ka-Ling like she is related to Superman
Winson Paine
2025-02-09 00:35:22 +0000 UTCThe real question is, which one do they watch? The Nic Cage version has a lot of drops, but everyone's already made fun of it. The old Wicker Man has Christopher Lee as Lord Summerisle, but I don't know that much about it.
Mythopoeist
2025-02-09 00:35:19 +0000 UTCSo homosocial behavior is a thing assigned to cishet dudes more than the ladies because traditional western femme relationships already cover a lot of ground that is nominally taboo in masc ones - they can hold hands, cuddle, wear each others clothes, refer to their girlfriends and the like in a nonromantic way that your... traditional western baseline? (I lack some vocab here) doesn't encourage in cishet men. So homosocial usually refers to not just interacting with those of your own gender, but in a way that is more... intimate than one might expect. Barriers go down because some goalposts are moved because of... idk, whatever.
Winson Paine
2025-02-09 00:34:31 +0000 UTCIt's wild that this movie exists because of a Tumblr post about Rihanna and Lupita Nyong'o looking like heist characters at Cannes in 2014. The caption was "They look like they’re in a heist movie with Rihanna as the tough-as-nails leader/master thief and Lupita as the genius computer hacker,” and they couldn't even follow that solid gold blueprint!
John Benfield
2025-02-09 00:29:26 +0000 UTCHello I re-started my membership despite having almost no money rn because I want so badly to recommend the movie Widows with Viola Davis, aka the other Women Doing a Heist movie that came out in 2018, much more serious, idk if better I haven't seen it since it was in cinemas, but the potential conversation there is so interesting
Emry
2025-02-09 00:01:38 +0000 UTCOmg, that "accent." Maybe the thing I remember most from the film.
Knights Who Say Sledge
2025-02-08 23:49:42 +0000 UTCIf devon liberates the USA they'll be getting the craziest pick and pussy since Normandy
C William Fink
2025-02-08 22:14:40 +0000 UTCGreat film! And it being a Soderbergh film too, it'd make a fun point of comparison to his Ocean's trilogy.
dartheritis
2025-02-08 22:11:37 +0000 UTCWRT NCIS and Israel, see also Skip Intro's video on the subject. I'm not sure how much of it is new to anybody, but it's always good to hear it laid out. https://youtu.be/oRtRDeopt40
Raymond Price
2025-02-08 22:10:52 +0000 UTCCommon mentioned! you should watch the 2008 movie "smoking aces" it's kind of a heist movie! and Common is in it! what more do you need?
BigGregg
2025-02-08 21:19:02 +0000 UTCI have been looking forward to this one! Do you guys have Logan Lucky on the board for heist season? I remember finding it funny and endearing (at least for the most part), but it has been several years since I've seen it
Laura Jacobs
2025-02-08 21:06:34 +0000 UTCDevon's american Cardi-A bit was striaght up too funny and completely disabled me bravo i hope they deploy that accent on other podcasts too lmaoooooooo
Jake
2025-02-08 20:54:41 +0000 UTC"I would eat Cartier's pussy" This needs to be Abi's epitaph
Doug King
2025-02-08 20:14:30 +0000 UTCWeaver sings in a fake Russian accent in it if that helps
John Leavitt
2025-02-08 20:05:18 +0000 UTCBubger Kirg: Have it in a way.
Mythopoeist
2025-02-08 19:05:39 +0000 UTCAre y'all gonna do 2001 mother/daughter con game movie Heartbreakers starring Sigourney Weaver, Gene Hackman, Anne Bancroft, Ray Liotta and Jennifer Love Hewitt, among others, by any chance? I'm not so much recommending the film as one to watch as I am just really wanting to hear an hour and a half of whatever you three make of it.
Knights Who Say Sledge
2025-02-08 18:43:56 +0000 UTCYou guys talking about subway made me think of the prevalence of subway in Korean dramas. Kdramas are nutritious for really bad product placements. I feel like subway sponsored A LOT of kdramas for a while
Mickey Foster
2025-02-08 18:12:54 +0000 UTCCan't wait for next week - the Wicker Man is my favourite movie of all time. Been really hoping you cover it at some point!
Rosemary Selth
2025-02-08 17:58:37 +0000 UTCI am medically prescribing Abi Set It Off. she needs it
Ineloquent Reverie
2025-02-08 17:58:35 +0000 UTCHell yeah. You're today's Listener of the Day
Kill James Bond!
2025-02-08 17:51:36 +0000 UTCDevon: calling my first name (James) out while I'm pouring cereal and listening to this during breakfast prep and I'm so startled/pleased by it that I turn to look back at the phone playing the podcast with my torso instead of turning my head and thus pour cereal all over the kitchen floor. Me: Worth it.
Knights Who Say Sledge
2025-02-08 17:22:12 +0000 UTCYou MUST watch "Sneakers" (1992). I'm begging you.
Wolfman Jack
2025-02-08 17:22:10 +0000 UTCDoesn’t the line “I don’t have a lot of close female friends” imply that the heist _is_ a homosocial activity? Or at least that Hathaway’s character is so alienated from other women that she views it as one?
Jermy
2025-02-08 16:29:52 +0000 UTCDo they think homosociality is exclusively male/masculine, or are they saying the girl heist isn’t a social activity?
Jermy
2025-02-08 16:26:09 +0000 UTCThe only thing I know about Awkwafina is that her name sucks and she does/did blaccent a lot
Skate Bush
2025-02-08 15:50:55 +0000 UTCHappy heist season everyone!
2007 Christian Rock
2025-02-08 14:38:47 +0000 UTCGods I did not expect a NCIS reference in this episode, and yet....
Peter Larkin
2025-02-08 14:12:44 +0000 UTCWhy am I being singled out about the luxury stealing?!
James Cézanne-Taipale
2025-02-08 14:11:57 +0000 UTCDebbie?
Michael Tonus
2025-02-08 13:29:59 +0000 UTCHelena Bonham Carter's uncle is buried next to the man who was essentially my surrogate grandfather. Ironically her uncle accidentally blew himself up with gunpowder in an iron pipe and the shrapnel killed him at 17. She's also related to Asquith one of the only liberal party (now lib dem) prime ministers.
Erin Taylor
2025-02-08 13:22:23 +0000 UTCMy agent told me that Common would attend the opening of an envelope I can't tell if they genuinely don't know why Helena Bonham Carter has been canceled or they're just doing a bit to avoid that subject It's funny that Abigail's guess of how American might mispronounce Cartier is to pronounce it correctly, with an American accent. I think an American would mispronounce it by pronouncing the r at the end of the word. Car-tee-yer. Also Abi is saying Mindy KuhLING and now I'm wondering if KAYling is wrong Speaking of the Mossad thing, in the Ender's Game novel, one of the kids tells him that the military leaders of Earth always try to scout Israeli children because of their innate elite level of military strategy. The actress who plays the Mossad agent in NCIS is from Chile
Andrew Dunn
2025-02-08 12:30:36 +0000 UTCWhat if girl-heist was robbing an MLM all "this time is when the down line fees are sent upstream" & cut to the pyramidon rolling around macduckily in her vault Oh, the Bohemian Grove also isn't anywhere near as interesting as the lurid stories suggest. It is the least interesting most evil mba's host a camp out. Their push at creativity is tragically flat Edit: I think the crew is underrating the sexual assault "joke"/threat & that is part of why it scores lower than Charlie's Oh waitaminute it also has the "getting SAed" / "sex with men" is inherently unmanning thing there which is why it would be readable as an insult which it ought be at least a +1 ding on the Feministometer
Gilded Dragon
2025-02-08 11:57:32 +0000 UTCWait they did lose a pope! John Paul I! Edit: it would have been HILARIOUS if they'd gotten George Clooney to cameo for the met gala as George Clooney. They did it for 12 but since his character is canonically dead it would be funny
Gilded Dragon
2025-02-08 11:44:24 +0000 UTCThis is not a good movie. I do however enjoy it immensely.
Pineneedles
2025-02-08 10:58:19 +0000 UTCFeminism is planning a heist with your girls to get back at a man. The ultra Bechdel
Mariana Trench
2025-02-08 10:37:30 +0000 UTC
