S4E7.5: Wicker Man
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The Wicker Man is a 1973 British folk horror starring Edward Woodward, Britt Ekland, and Christopher Lee. You may be familiar with it from an american remake starring Nick Cage, but we're talking about the real McCoy today babey.
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Comments
I think abby's point in reference to your example is like asking your mother for a bike, and she doesn't reply at all and is invisible. She didn't say no, you've never seen her and neither has anyone else. Taken logically asking an invisible and mute entity for something and not getting a reply is equal to asking an empty patch of thin air the same thing, which is where faith and the burden of proof comes in.
Daniel "Limey-boy" McCouid-Carr
2025-06-10 11:55:36 +0000 UTCPrayer is just talking to God- so if you ask God for a bike and didn't get one, sure it's fair to say it didn't work, but that doesn't necessarily mean it went unanswered, you got an answer, and the answer is no. I could ask my mom for a bike and if I don't get one I'm not gonna say asking doesn't work ever, I'm just gonna say it didn't work that time. Maybe I'll ask again later.
Stupid Weasels
2025-04-24 18:53:03 +0000 UTCthe recitation of psalm 23 makes me think of Sheep by Pink Floyd, which has a twist of negativaty to it
Righteous Lazarus (Four Days Dead)
2025-04-23 05:21:04 +0000 UTCFun to hear Abby with the fedora on
Larketto
2025-04-16 15:57:00 +0000 UTCI think Abi is missing the purpose and role of prayer. This film is enjoyed by Christians because suffering is considered a part of the faith and to allow yourself to be sacrificed and not lose faith is evidence of his faith. The reward for faith and prayer are on the other side. Salvation is not an Earthly gift because this is all temporary and only through death is one delivered to their eternal salvation in heaven.
Kisa
2025-04-15 12:42:26 +0000 UTCI hope you cover the Cage remake for purely selfish reasons: the director of that remake used to live in my little hometown. Our local movie theater made An Event out of it and was promoting it as a big civic-pride deal until people started seeing it. It was amazing to watch a town *deflate* in just a few days.
Clef (they-them)
2025-04-04 20:30:01 +0000 UTCgenuinely so glad november is part of this podcast and I don't have to hear Abby's takes on faith exclusively
Embla
2025-04-03 03:13:08 +0000 UTCOmg Battenberg! That's the name of that cake! Thank you Michael!
Oh No
2025-03-05 20:59:51 +0000 UTCMy favorite quote from the crew for this episode, "If you're so smart, how come you're dead?" Mic drop.
Knights Who Say Sledge
2025-03-03 17:33:37 +0000 UTCPeter Greenaway is also great for this; The Pillow Book even has early Ewan McGregor
Magpie
2025-03-02 22:44:36 +0000 UTCHaven't heard a word of this episode yet and it's comments like this that keep me paying for the patreon.
Union of Appalachian Anarchists
2025-02-26 00:52:02 +0000 UTCor the early filmography of Ewan McGregor
Lauren Shear
2025-02-25 23:32:35 +0000 UTCFun fact! Japanese writer Yukio Mishima says that his first orgasm was while masturbating to a painting of the martyred Saint Sebastian
Andrew Dunn
2025-02-23 13:35:04 +0000 UTCFun fact! Yukio Mishima writes that his first orgasm was while masturbating to a painting of a martyrd saint
Andrew Dunn
2025-02-23 11:40:34 +0000 UTCAlso just want to say since I'm seeing a lot of negativity around abigail's position here, I agree with her stance when is comes to the real world. Religion is a scientifically unfounded phantasm (philosophy tube reference), and while religious people may feel differently, the fact remains that there is no logical reason to believe in any religion. My comment was about the reading of the movie, which is where I somewhat differ from her opinion. Also, she's doesn't owe religious people delicate treatment, we are behind a pay wall, she is discussing her beliefs and feelings, if you don't like those that's your problem.
Parker Squirrell
2025-02-21 17:13:10 +0000 UTCHey, My favorite horror movie is also tied between this and alien, twinning
Parker Squirrell
2025-02-21 16:22:15 +0000 UTCLoved this movie and the episode, and I know everyone is posting their takes about the religious debate at the end, but I really like talking about this stuff so im going to as well. The Christian faith is unfalsifiable, this is the ultimate issue with discussing most issues with Christians (this extends to most religions, and many non religious groups as well). The end of this movie does not effectively message that the officer's prayers are futile and meaningless. As pointed out by some of the hosts, he does the proper christian thing of praying for absolution rather than praying to be saved in life, and from a Christian perspective this is completely rational and in fact beautiful. If my family saw this scene, they would take it as a reaffirmation of their faith. I see it as Abbigail (if I'm not misremembering) does, that all these people are deluding themselves. However, the movie, I think, is textually on the fence, and leaves the end up to interpretation to a point that I don't believe i can claim that my reading can be the "true" reading. This affirms my position that subtext is for cowards and every peice of art should state its positions so that people I disagree with cannot think art I belive agrees with me agrees with them. Obviously joking, I do think the discussion at the end was interesting and fruitful. Truly, another banger by the kjb crew.
Parker Squirrell
2025-02-21 16:11:06 +0000 UTCI don’t agree with Abi’s total dismissal of religious faith, but I DO agree that it would probably be pretty easy to break out of a Wicker Man and that Edward Woodwardward should have tried to simply walk out of it. I’m counting this as a victory for ecumenicalism.
Naniwhat the 3rd
2025-02-21 13:10:55 +0000 UTCthe thing with christianity is that if you kill them they can still count it as a win. really annoying.
Arthropod_Queen
2025-02-21 06:20:28 +0000 UTCI cannot stress enough, you can throw ANYTHING at Christianity besides simplicity of dogma and you would be right. Christianity has had two millennia to obfuscate, occlude, and mutate itself, and it HAS. To the first sentence, though, I mean more “hating” than “hate”
Ineloquent Reverie
2025-02-20 23:19:29 +0000 UTCI don't think (and I'm wording her experience as uncharitably as possible here) growing resentment over unanswered questions a child could make counts as hate. People might get frustrated that criticisms of Christian faith can be so simple and repetitive, but that's not the fault of a dogmatically simple religion, not the fault of its critics.
Zoey George
2025-02-20 23:17:48 +0000 UTCI for one completely unironically support Abi's first century CE criticisms of Christianity. Feel like we wormed around them a bit with that whole 1500 years of theocratic papal domination. "If your God's so good, why'd we nail 'im to a plank of wood? Simple as." -Julian the Apostate
Zoey George
2025-02-20 23:14:37 +0000 UTCOnce again, lemme be clear that it’s not specifically me being disappointed at the motive for her atheism, it’s the motive for undercutting analysis of a movie maybe more antitheist than she is to repeat the words “religion bad” like a broken telephone. I cannot stress enough, I became a doctrinaire police abolitionist because I watched an old man be pushed over, change can be motivated by anything and everything
Ineloquent Reverie
2025-02-20 20:42:43 +0000 UTCLet's all take a minute to inventory what childhood experiences have shaped our belief systems.
Liz and Ash in Florida. It's very hot! Climate change will kill us all.
2025-02-20 20:40:24 +0000 UTCOh you have me confused, my good man- I don’t mean what makes you LOSE faith- of course, a fucking passing bird can make you atheist or make you religious, epiphanies are weird and quick and random. I mean specifically the kneejerk, and most importantly, SHALLOW hate, that doesn’t even bother to hate deeply
Ineloquent Reverie
2025-02-20 17:36:12 +0000 UTCSingle piece of straw, meet overburdened camel's back... It's never just the one thing, it's belittling that you believe it is. It's more insulting that you think faith can be lost over a single menial experience, and not that that experience was compounded by many other experiences. If you think faith is THAT weak, then your own faith must be THAT weak aswell, or you think your faith is somehow more special, more true or honest than another's? It isn't. Personally my faith was lost over several YEARS of experiences, and exposure to those who claimed to have said faith, but didn't not follow the tenets of that faith, yet we're consistently rewarded by that faith. But the straw that broke the camels back for me? A fucking song. A single piece of music, 3-4 minutes of sound. It's a eureka moment, an epiphany.
Alexander Jonsson
2025-02-20 17:34:14 +0000 UTChaving now finished this episode, i must confess, i wasn't expecting this podcast would attempt to debunk the concept of religion with 'studies'
Christine Pizan
2025-02-19 21:01:20 +0000 UTCNow that IS interesting, I see.
Ineloquent Reverie
2025-02-19 20:34:15 +0000 UTCI apologize if I am unclear, I'm not great at communicating through text. I'm not trying to argue about what's true in real life, outside of the film. - I was thinking that a lot of the characters in the film seem to take a kind of broad, polytheistic attitude. They don't seem to argue, like the cop does, that other gods or religions are false. They seem willing to accept that they're all true (minus claims of exclusivity), and pick the one they think will help them the most. That's why it's so interesting to me that the cop doesn't make any attempt or request for escape. That his concerns are about a good death and a better afterlife, rather than the villagers who are concerned with obtaining food so they don't starve to death in the first place.
-Kris-
2025-02-19 16:59:56 +0000 UTCI’m honestly let down that the seeming origin of Abi’s antitheism is just that something on TV confused her as a child. THAT is what is able to motivate her to drop her intelligence to blindly and childishly insult the concept of faith
Ineloquent Reverie
2025-02-19 15:07:39 +0000 UTCHave you heard of believing in something greater than yourself, bud? Of levels of salvation and redemption beyond the immediate? Christ, I’m so barely religious I straight up don’t believe eternal hell exists and haven’t prayed in years, but this isn’t exactly the shining argument to accept an empty world and the cessation of existence after death you think it is
Ineloquent Reverie
2025-02-19 15:04:19 +0000 UTCI need this podcast to discuss Lair of the white worm. Please.
J
2025-02-18 23:36:38 +0000 UTCas regards devon's quest for more hog in films, i can recommend the filmography of pier paolo p;asolini, arabian nights, medea, oedipus rex, lots of hog in those
Christine Pizan
2025-02-18 16:45:01 +0000 UTCLove this guest! Micheal really added to the film analysis
Butcher
2025-02-18 02:31:28 +0000 UTCAbby, I completely agree with the bits about intercessory prayer being tested and disproven. I think the bigger issue (since the others correctly point out that he doesn't even attempt or pray for escape) is why anyone would give a shit about a god that doesn't intercede? Like even taking the comparative attitude that so many characters take in the film, "okay, so your god is real, and you think he allows all this, and you just try to be okay with that?" Where's the yelling "then to hell with you" at Crom for not doing anything tangible here in the real world?
-Kris-
2025-02-18 01:19:17 +0000 UTCI guess the "cavallary" will probably come eventually. Someone's gonna come looking for him, maybe they'll kill him too but there are only so many cops you can kill before people are gonna get mad. But I guess the idea is that it didn't matter for him. The fact that the law will probably come for them in a few days or weeks or months doesn't help him one bit right now. If they don't fear the law, if they don't fear God, it doesn't matter RIGHT NOW what's GOING to happen to them eventually.
Ronin Fredricson
2025-02-17 18:04:08 +0000 UTC[Mysterious old librarian flips page revealing a dude who looks exactly like me being burned alive in a giant wicker man] Me: is that good
Ronin Fredricson
2025-02-17 16:11:48 +0000 UTCFurther PSA : it's the result of a veeeery long historical misunderstanding/mistranslation. A Roman doctor wrote about the benefits of mandrake candles to help sleep. In French, mandrake is "mandragore" but it somehow got mondegreen'd into "main de gloire" (hand of glory). From there people basically reverse folk-etymologied what that strange word could possibly be before settling on either "the left hand of a hanged man" or "whichever hand of a murderer did the killing". Mummified so as to be able to be used as a candle, 'cause that helps you sleep, yeah ?
Kobal Deux
2025-02-17 15:08:37 +0000 UTCGod, I'm going to have to dig into this film cos it's soooo up my street. I was a huge fan of Heretic, so I think I'm going to really enjoy this one.
Leo Curtis
2025-02-17 13:44:14 +0000 UTCIn the version I watched there’s no Christopher Lee in the inn scenes and the scene of the cop doing communion is interposed with him praying. And instead of the fucking scene with Willow, there’s a scene where willow is like, musically seducing the cop and dancing naked on the other side of the wall from him as he’s trying desperately to basically reach her through the wall. It’s wild that the movies we watched are so different
OneHappyChipmunk
2025-02-17 02:02:12 +0000 UTCFair enough, that is a way to attempt to test prayer. But you run into really thorny theological questions. Like if gods plan is you die of cancer then no intercession would work anyways.
Mandalor the condescending
2025-02-17 01:37:47 +0000 UTCthe templeton foundation (christian org, donates to christian-oriented science research & also climate denialism) funded a study on the "therapeutic effects of intercessory prayer" in 2005, where about 1800 coronary bypass surgery patients who largely believed in the efficacy of prayer were divided into a group whose recovery would be prayed for with their knowledge by the members of several unconnected christian congregations, a group which would be prayed for without their knowledge, and a control group which wouldn't be prayed for (by those congregations). the people who didn't know and the control group experienced the same rate of surgical complications and the people who did know experienced slightly *more* complications, which is the opposite of what you'd expect if you thought that christian intercessory prayer had direct beneficial impact on material reality. thus the argument by eg. richard dawkins that prayer is disproved. i would argue however that sgt. howie is really, really obviously not engaging in this kind of intercessory prayer and abi's being i think a bit willfully dense
God's Eepiest Soldier
2025-02-16 23:04:43 +0000 UTCAbigail's ghost-of-Hitchens rant at the end was especially vexing because I entirely agree with the conclusion, but she just refuses to engage with what Christians have faith *in*. It's entirely Christian to believe that your own choices might lead you to death, and you *don't* ask God to clean up your mess, but you *do* ask for absolution and to be resurrected on Judgement Day. I think the film is saying something vaguely anti-theist in the pagan rites being confected and in Sgt. Howie's body being specifically burned, preventing resurrection. But Abigail sidesteps any actual engagement with faith to rant on the most childish "well if you're dead, skill issue" angle.
3mix2yoo
2025-02-16 22:26:47 +0000 UTCJust watched this for the first time and very much enjoyed the music! I realized part of the way through that a couple of the songs were (much) later covered by NYX / Gazelle Twin and Sneaker Pimps
Jimothy
2025-02-16 20:53:01 +0000 UTCI would also point out the goose as a symbol of the holy spirit (A wild goose more specifically. I think the tradition is Scottish). The presence of the holy spirit at his death.
Steve Widdershins
2025-02-16 19:31:59 +0000 UTCFantastic episode, does the film justice, and also really demonstrates the central Abigail thing where she will absolutely pull a rhetorical clown hat down over her own ears if there's an idea coming that might interfere with her ability to hustlegrind
Kristaps Porzingis
2025-02-16 16:05:32 +0000 UTCReally hope you do sequel this one by covering the 2006 version. I’ve never been able to bring myself to watch it because I love this film so much, but do want an excuse because my uncle was mayor of the island where it was filmed, when it was filmed, so I’m curious.
Hazel Smith
2025-02-16 15:36:17 +0000 UTCIt’s also interesting because Celtic societies put a great deal of importance on the head as the centre of Being
Hazel Smith
2025-02-16 15:31:47 +0000 UTCI love unfairly maligned sincerely artful 70s British films.
Hedrigal
2025-02-16 14:19:23 +0000 UTCYeah, Abby does have some very strong things to say, but they are mostly about what the film’s depicting, not about spirituality in general. At least that’s how I read it. I don’t really think she is the kind of anti-theist leftist who thinks spirituality and religion is like inherently pointless/evil or something. That’s not the vibe I am getting. But maybe I have misread her and she does think that. Very open minded people can be very incurious and intolerant about certain things, you know.
Tuur Verheyde
2025-02-16 13:38:10 +0000 UTCI have to admit I've had a lot of bad online experiences with New Atheists (I'm an ex-atheist turned vaguely culturally Christian pro-God agnostic spiritualist who has been looking at neopaganism) so I'm a bit hesitant to check this one out. Good to hear it is still a good episode!
Ross Nolan
2025-02-16 13:05:14 +0000 UTC"We said to the studio thanks for the money here's what we're going to do fuck off"
Josephine
2025-02-16 12:42:59 +0000 UTCI enjoyed abi being on her homer Simpson theology shit
Josephine
2025-02-16 12:42:10 +0000 UTCz
Adam Basinger
2025-02-16 09:32:43 +0000 UTCi'm so glad they did this movie. it's one of my absolute favorite movies and one of my favorite horror movies. it's so unbelievably beautiful and eerie, exactly like wandering around in a small rural town. and honestly nothing will ever top the shot where he comes over the hill and screams in absolute horror at what he sees. one of the most incredible shots in a horror movie.
talkingsoup
2025-02-16 06:41:01 +0000 UTCIs it just me or is the big fucked up Zardoz head at the beginning of a movie code for "we had some creative differences with the studio on this one"?
Damien Tonkin
2025-02-16 01:22:19 +0000 UTCIt is kinda like if Terry Prachett wrote folk horror
Winson Paine
2025-02-15 23:26:14 +0000 UTCNo, there's a bit at the beginning, and a little at the end where the movie is kind of ambiguous about what it's saying about religion-- whether the message is pro/anti Christian, anti-religion as a whole, or just...and impartial observer to these events.
Rebeccaej
2025-02-15 23:26:10 +0000 UTCGet's bad when discussing Srgt Howie praying in the wicker man at the end, you might be ok up till then
Hugh Crosthwait
2025-02-15 23:25:47 +0000 UTCPlease watch Sebastiane for sexy martyrdom fun time
Hugh Crosthwait
2025-02-15 23:19:29 +0000 UTCI listened to the 10 minute clip and have to ask; does Abigail complain about religion the whole movie? I thought the episode on 'The Wonder' was overall very good and respectful but I am spiritually inclined and I'm less interested if I'm in for nearly two hours of "all religious people are nutters".
Ross Nolan
2025-02-15 22:53:28 +0000 UTCThanks! Sounds like it’ll be fine for me :)
James
2025-02-15 21:03:04 +0000 UTCProbably. Depends what you don't like about horror. There's zero gore, almost no violence, none of the usual...crassness, I want to say, that's normally part of horror. If you happen to like small town pastoral vibes with vaguely-creepy undertones, you could watch it a couple times without even realizing it's considered a horror movie at all.
Rebeccaej
2025-02-15 20:16:47 +0000 UTCCould someone tell me if this episode will be okay if I’m not into horror?
James
2025-02-15 19:26:09 +0000 UTCYou do actually get palm trees on the west coast of scotland which can survive thanks to the gulf stream
Ewan J
2025-02-15 19:22:48 +0000 UTCSomeone's probably made the comment already but the head of the wickerman falling off is interesting to me because it echoes earlier imagery of the green man. The ending is religiously ambiguous, but the cycle of death and rebirth is a constant.
Roxie Rockatansky
2025-02-15 17:01:55 +0000 UTCAs a federal employee, that Musk rant was the greatest thing Ive heard all month, thank you.
Adam Roy
2025-02-15 13:46:13 +0000 UTCEdward Woodwoodwoodward was also the OG Equalizer. So he's 2 for 2 for terrible modern remakes of things he's acted in.
James Rule
2025-02-15 12:32:51 +0000 UTCPSA: the Hand of Glory is the preserved hand of an executed man. I know this because of that one mission in Thief where you have to retrieve one from a prisoner who died after stowing it in his ass for weeks.
James Collinge
2025-02-15 11:50:34 +0000 UTCfuck yes, my favorite wholesome family movie.
Terra
2025-02-15 11:47:56 +0000 UTCA really interesting comparison text is the Borges story The Gospel of Mark. While I’m more sympathetic to Nova’s reading of The Wicker Man I think Abby’s broadly correct about religion. In Borges’ account the outsider brings the Christian story to the rural peasants and so introduces the idea of sacrifice and resurrection leading to his own inevitable crucifixion.
Jacob King
2025-02-15 07:20:59 +0000 UTCThis is a trans movie because it's about getting microaggressed constantly by people who think killing you will magically bring back their lost prosperity.
OvO Hoot
2025-02-15 04:38:45 +0000 UTCNever doubt The Worm, never doubt The Worm.
Crispined Glover Potato Snacks
2025-02-15 03:43:27 +0000 UTCBest Valentines ever 🖤🖤🖤🖤 Thank you
Fiona
2025-02-15 03:10:54 +0000 UTCI SQUEALED when I saw you were covering this! It's one of the greatest horror films of all time. It set off a lifelong fascination with pseudo-pagan cults, pre-Christian religions, and a love of folk horror. And yes, henges. Love a henge. This film just *sticks* with you - I still get shivers thinking of all the animal-headed townspeople slowly standing up, just watching... It's a testament to Edward Woodward's performance that he makes you sympathize with a priggish Christian so much. His screams at the end, from the "Oh GOD! OH JESUS CHRIST!!" to the final "JESUS!!!", you FEEL the horror of his murder, and everything just compounds that horror - from the glee in the eyes of the man the camera lingers on while he sings "Sumer is Icumen In" (fun fact: the song dates to the 13th century), to the deafening roar of the flames as the Wicker Head caves in. The only thing that couldve made this episode better would have been a "Salmon of Knowledge" mention!
Lauren Shear
2025-02-15 02:39:22 +0000 UTCGod this film is so good, tied with Alien for my favourite horror. Also I want Edward Woodward in a cop uniform to break my fingers + I would totally join a cult led by Christopher Lee ❤️
A Horse In A Man Costume
2025-02-15 01:58:18 +0000 UTCHappy Valentine's day everyone
Saint Muerte
2025-02-15 01:47:07 +0000 UTCGorgeous ep thank you all for your service 🫡
Hannah Blumenfeld
2025-02-15 00:17:00 +0000 UTCI think this is one of my favorite episodes yall have done, hell yeah
Alex M
2025-02-14 23:43:20 +0000 UTCNot going to lie, first time I heard him speak I could SWEAR it was Patrick McGoohan.
Simon Bitdiddle
2025-02-14 23:38:16 +0000 UTCthx michael for pointing out that one of the deep horrors of the movie is "some english dipshit can buy your entire island and then read the golden bough too much and get so excited he makes it *your* problem for the next ~100 years"
God's Eepiest Soldier
2025-02-14 23:31:35 +0000 UTCWhy has Edward Woodward got 4 ds in his name? Because if he didn’t, his name would be pronounced Ee-wah Woo-wah. Actual joke from a book I had as a kid.
Jacob King
2025-02-14 23:22:43 +0000 UTCwhat does it mean to “disprove prayer”
Mandalor the condescending
2025-02-14 22:21:24 +0000 UTCThis might be the most interesting episode I've ever listened to
uberperk
2025-02-14 22:19:40 +0000 UTCThe modern Siskel and Ebert are modern getting modern two modern thumbs mosern up.
bobbler42
2025-02-14 21:36:33 +0000 UTCThe modern Siskel and Ebert are modern getting modern two modern thumbs mosern up.
bobbler42
2025-02-14 21:36:22 +0000 UTCit's a bit of a shame that the religion/atheism angle dominated discussion to such an extent because i think there is a cool political angle (which i'm noting after Sîan Ingham) to an aristocrat convincing the people of the island they need to sacrifice outsiders in order to prosper
weronika mamuna
2025-02-14 21:01:58 +0000 UTCKingship is stored in the nips.
Alex
2025-02-14 20:16:45 +0000 UTCOriginally the wicker man was a sort of pagan Gundam
GG Allin Dulles
2025-02-14 20:16:08 +0000 UTCYou should invite Maggie Mae Fish to do the 2006 one! Also, as someone who is sort of a neopagan, I think this was a solid discussion overall. There’s some context about different kinds of reconstructionism etc. that was missing that could have helped with the theological disagreements, but you can’t have everything. Also, I guess maybe some people might take umbrage with Abby’s New Atheist hardline, but within the context of the film, nothing she says is unreasonable or bigoted. So yeah, good episode.
Tuur Verheyde
2025-02-14 20:04:50 +0000 UTCScotland mentioned brackets bad 🏴🏴🏴🏴
kabi
2025-02-14 19:16:50 +0000 UTCYou can see swedens most esteemed communist actor hang dong on Mannen på taket from the 70s.
SunRaTheThird
2025-02-14 18:29:57 +0000 UTCOn theology: you cannot have him resurrected. You cannot have him in Heaven. Because Christianwise heaven is closed until the Final Day; & for saints those blessed with the vision of god it cannot be something one depicts, it would be idolatry & worse it would be gauche. The divine, the sublime, cannot be represented in banal ways, it must be felt, experienced not through logic. Faith is transcendental. Heck the divine might be something know. Only through negation. There are 4 religions in tension in the movie. State, Christianity, newPaganisms, Oligarchy. One can see them failing but then they all fail, materialism fails because people still engage in these behaviors
Gilded Dragon
2025-02-14 18:23:47 +0000 UTCWickerman Episode on the day Yellowjackets Season 3 premieres, it's social critique via cannibalism hour
Hoob
2025-02-14 17:49:40 +0000 UTCHello to the barmaid.
Jason Young
2025-02-14 17:42:15 +0000 UTCNot the first time different versions have been watched and it's improved the show
Erin Taylor
2025-02-14 17:42:09 +0000 UTCLove this film.
Stef Potter
2025-02-14 17:37:39 +0000 UTCOh also Lord SummerIsle's attitude is very... well... what happened with Christianity where aristocrats became Christian out of expediency, not necessarily conviction (ditto the thingamabob with Anglicanism & the coincidentally expensive monasteries) Christianity in the lower classes was adopted because the very hierarchical paganisms were no go; like Christianity gave a place to women & enslaved people, it promised a confraternity of all Christians; & for the rich it was a tool to access trade networks & establish fictive kin relations via godparenthood
Gilded Dragon
2025-02-14 17:28:51 +0000 UTCEating so good today, Bonds
HAUNTER
2025-02-14 17:24:53 +0000 UTCWe used to make 90 minute movies, RETVRN to that.
Tall Jeff
2025-02-14 17:19:19 +0000 UTCOh hell yeah lfg
Moray Macdonald
2025-02-14 17:17:29 +0000 UTCThis was partly filmed around my hometown! We watch it every Halloween and point out the old shopfronts and tje streets. Yaaaaay!
Ezra
2025-02-14 17:07:50 +0000 UTCWickermaning, though I feel Abby might enjoy more playing the part of Diana of Nemi & hunting the authority with a silver bow & mistletoe arrows, is haram But good for the economy
Gilded Dragon
2025-02-14 16:45:50 +0000 UTCLegit excited for this one!
Brian Taulbee
2025-02-14 16:43:29 +0000 UTCAwww this movie brings back memories of my childhood; building wickermen for candlemass & terrifying the Romans
Gilded Dragon
2025-02-14 16:38:39 +0000 UTClet's go this is my favourite movie
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