S4E8.5: Devil's Advocate
Added 2025-02-28 21:37:57 +0000 UTCIt's Abi's bonus pick this week and we're sticking with the religious theme as we discuss the 1997 Keanu Reeves/Al Pacino movie Devil's Advocate. A slick floridian lawyer gets everything he ever wished for when a big New York firm scouts him- but what if that sucked actually?
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I grew up in Gator Country so I can confirm. Further one's accent in FL was determined by one's parents. I still speak like my NY parents but anyone in Gainesville that had southern parents did talk like that. Also I happen to know many people who were pregnant in Gainesville. They did say it kinda sucked. lol
D&BDomeisen
2025-03-12 15:00:07 +0000 UTCmy own private idaho is another film that truly showcases keanu reeves' acting! very impactful film for me. although not part of robbery season, it's a recommended watch!
alex
2025-03-11 00:21:49 +0000 UTCFloridian here, I want to weigh in real quick about the Gainesville southern accent thing, but yes, many people in North Central Florida do speak with a southern accent. (Well, at least they used to before the internet started completely destroying regional dialects in the southern US but that's a different conversation.)
Mx. Maxwell
2025-03-09 02:45:53 +0000 UTCOccult Horror Season would go hard
The Evil Cub
2025-03-07 15:17:15 +0000 UTCThis is maybe the most World Of Darkness movie ever made, and I mean that 99% as a compliment
Ineloquent Reverie
2025-03-06 05:07:22 +0000 UTCJeffery Jones is "The Door Guy" in Hunt for Red October. I was screaming this at the podcast when you did that episode!
Antichrist Against Fascism
2025-03-05 19:16:33 +0000 UTCThe only thing that could make this movie more fun would be Keanu actually having to defend Pachino from gods punishment
Meonlights
2025-03-05 15:55:10 +0000 UTCI look forward to you covering a companion piece to this: Angel Heart (1987)
BarFly
2025-03-04 12:26:52 +0000 UTCMy living room is dead on the bright lime green. Hell yeah for colorful houses that make us happy
Rachel K
2025-03-03 17:04:49 +0000 UTCThis really made me want to hear you all talk about some occult style horror movies
GG Allin Dulles
2025-03-03 15:10:03 +0000 UTCI loved this movie as a teen, and was worried it wouldn’t hold up in my thirties, but man was I wrong. I rewatched it last night after the podcast and god fucking damn they really do not make em like this anymore. I was smiling ear to ear for the entire final showdown, watching Al Pacino act like a total fucking goofball. He truly is a national treasure I probably would have hated this movie 5 years ago, but the bad CGI, weird pacing/editing, and general hamminess of the movie is super endearing to me now
WuokaQuokaFlame
2025-03-03 00:34:14 +0000 UTCImagining the delivery of "He'zh an ABSHENTEE LANDLORD!!!" raises a chuckle.
Jack Fennell
2025-03-03 00:01:24 +0000 UTCAs someone who got their ears pierced just long enough ago where I can start changing the jewelry, hearing y’all briefly describe Keanu Reeve’s removing Charlize Theron’s earrings with his teeth made me shudder so bad lmao
charles
2025-03-02 23:47:55 +0000 UTCGreat episode
Teeheemcweewee
2025-03-02 16:12:00 +0000 UTCI’ve never been more glad I trusted my instincts to shut off the episode in the first few minutes to go away and watch the movie first. What a fucking ride. They quite literally do not make em like this anymore
lousullivan.bf
2025-03-02 14:17:37 +0000 UTCwell Phoenix Wright also has a magic rock that tells you if someone is lying for most of his career. so i think what Keanu Reeves did is more impressive
Frejo
2025-03-02 09:53:53 +0000 UTCI have a feeling Abigail would of made a great lawyer. I am told acting techniques are quite valuable to barristers in emphasising points to juries. But the world for lots of people is far more colourful because of her chosen path.
Jennifer Houghton
2025-03-02 08:46:18 +0000 UTCThis makes me want to revisit my idea for a slice of life comic about The Wh*re of Babylon. The idea is that she was supposed to corrupt the great leaders of the world to prepare for Armageddon but they're all already so corrupt without any help that she has a lot of downtime and is just kind of vibing.
Damien Tonkin
2025-03-02 07:51:20 +0000 UTCwonder if the yellow wall paint in the apartment is a Yellow Wallpaper reference, what with all the isolating-the-wife-and-driving-her-insane stuff
Eve Bee
2025-03-02 06:20:10 +0000 UTCIf you'd like to continue the religious themes for the next bonus, I think the Ben Affleck/Matt Damon movie "Dogma" would make for some INCREDIBLE Content™
Alex Scranton
2025-03-02 00:44:51 +0000 UTCI didn't notice that but I did notice that he went into lawyer mode with the way he started talking about Milton being "in his presence" which also has a kind of biblical ring to it I guess so it works on a few levels but it's not how normal people talk.
Damien Tonkin
2025-03-02 00:16:54 +0000 UTCwell they gotta start somewhere, might as well b toy story 2
Jake
2025-03-01 18:43:38 +0000 UTC"I'm in New York City, there are demons flying around " Smash cut to NYPD helicopter
Noblesse Oblahaj
2025-03-01 18:43:09 +0000 UTCI don't think "abogado del diablo" was a very common phrase in Mexico when I was growing up so whenever I saw the term "playing devil's advocate" the movie's poster was the first thing I thought about.
Emilio Porras Vergara
2025-03-01 18:22:21 +0000 UTCI would love a KJB does the Devil season. One of my favorite literary devices. My favorite deal with the devil story of course being Toy Story 2.
Tall Jeff
2025-03-01 15:23:09 +0000 UTCOk that reveal scene is insanely good
Erin Taylor
2025-03-01 15:16:29 +0000 UTCThink this film, despite being much better, believes a lot of the same things as a hallmark flick.
Dylan Frese
2025-03-01 13:52:45 +0000 UTCUber, *mumble mumble mumble*, this is a little quiet, let me just "WELCOME PEDOPHILES!"
Alexander Jonsson
2025-03-01 13:07:21 +0000 UTCThe whole "sixty straight wins until you actually have to defend a guilty person" is hilariously also how it goes in the original Ace Attorney trilogy. Phoenix Wright has an absolutely flawless track record until he has to defend an actual murderer, and there he manages to contrive a situation where the guy either goes to prison or gets assassinated so that the defendant confesses right before the judge gives a not guilty verdict
Khris
2025-03-01 10:15:33 +0000 UTCAlso fun facts! This project was stalled in pre-production until the OJ Simpson trial. Suddenly producers were into a movie about satanic lawyers! Keanu Reeves took a pay cut so that they could afford Al Pacino. That nine-circles-of-subway version of the script had Brad Pitt in the lead role. John Cusack and Edward Norton were both considered. Al Pacino turned the script down *five times* before it became a version he liked. At one point he told the studio to offer it to Sean Connery.
Clef (they-them)
2025-03-01 07:00:51 +0000 UTCTbh I always thought that the final scene isn't a time reset, Kevin had precognition of how events would go In the jury selection scene, he doesn't just show preternatural insight, what he identified in each juror are the sins they harbor in their hearts (pride, wrath, etc) and what they'd do with it In the bathroom he was close to Satan (in disguise) and he was pondering the right thing to do. In that moment, probably the most introspective of his adult life, he looked into *himself* and saw a vision of what would happen if he gave in to pride
Clef (they-them)
2025-03-01 06:42:47 +0000 UTCLove this movie, and it definitely nudged me toward my law degree. Oops.
EMC
2025-03-01 05:32:52 +0000 UTCOK, you got my $7. Please do Blues Brothers.
Dylan Wintersteen
2025-03-01 04:59:50 +0000 UTCA small detail I noticed in the church scene is that there is a bite mark on the back of Charlize Theron’s shoulder that literally would’ve had to have been done by someone else, and yet because Keanu’s character has lawyer brain her statements are enough evidence to him that she is crazy that he doesn’t even try to trust her.
OneHappyChipmunk
2025-03-01 04:29:47 +0000 UTCGod I love that movie.
Brian Taulbee
2025-03-01 03:39:48 +0000 UTCI’ve always been bothered by the demon faces in this movie. Legit unsettling.
Brian Taulbee
2025-03-01 03:37:46 +0000 UTC"advertisement for heterosexuality" i don't fucking think so that's a bisexual commercial if i've ever seen one
Kat W
2025-03-01 03:13:03 +0000 UTCAbbi go make twoap talk about the adventures of baron munchausen.
Mulloy
2025-03-01 02:23:19 +0000 UTCThe accent isn't great. I go to school here in Gainesville and like, it's a university town and the home of one of the bigger universities at that, but it's always fun to hear the Drawliest Accent for Florida
Aniyunwea Greyotter
2025-03-01 01:02:00 +0000 UTCI have to say, a motivational Satan is a funny thing.
Jason Young
2025-03-01 00:15:33 +0000 UTCfascinated by the cosmological genetics of this movie. like i wonder if pacinos logic was like “well they’re both 50% satan, so by a basic punit square there’s a 25% chance their kid is 100% satan” and that’s all he needs for an antichrist. just someone else who is also satan.
Soup Dealer
2025-03-01 00:12:20 +0000 UTC"People keep asking me if I'm going to suck those toes. And I'm thinking yeah I'm going to suck those toes."
James Rule
2025-02-28 23:57:23 +0000 UTCIn Truman Show, one of the first signs that True man realizes he's in a Garden of Eden soundstage (and was put there by Christ of) is when a star falls from the sky, in the morning. That's especially fun because two scenes of that movie were filmed in my hometown, on literally the roads that I drove to school and work on, and I was raised sheltered, in a Christian cult, by family who knew the cult wasn't real. So you have no idea how cathartic Truman Show was for me This movie, and the Jack Reacher book / show Kiling Floor, both make them same mistake about the American south of saying "a black person? In the south?!" when, like... That's where the black people live. The Jack Reacher novels Killing Floor AKA Reacher season 1, has a black detective who is stuck in Georgia and yearns to get back to Boston. Because British author Lee Child is thinking "North vs South" and not "Black capital of the US vs notoriously racist Boston". Child also writes Arkansas hillbillies saying "taking the mick" and talks about "kerbs" My Cousin Vinny is one of the most accurate, respectful portrayals of the South I've ever seen, and you'll notice that about half of the background characters are black people. Because it takes place in Alabama, where black people live. Everyone please watch Andor, it is one of the most powerful, well acted pieces of anti imperialism and anti prison pieces of fiction I've ever seen
Andrew Dunn
2025-02-28 23:41:08 +0000 UTCGood to have AJ on. After John Avery Whitaker I imagine the literal Devil is a refreshingly morally good character for him to talk about.
Peter Larkin
2025-02-28 23:33:07 +0000 UTCDidn't twig the reference to "The Yellow Wallpaper" until now.
Jack Fennell
2025-02-28 23:31:42 +0000 UTCThe courtroom sceens were filmed in the old Duval County Court house in Jacksonville.
Doug King
2025-02-28 23:16:16 +0000 UTCI did that "Let me tell you about God" monologue. It got me a job back in college 😊
Wolfman Jack
2025-02-28 23:04:32 +0000 UTCI opened my phone saw the update and the topic and let get with my best Al Pacino "refreshing" that I could muster because all the trees in NE Florida are trying murder me.
Doug King
2025-02-28 22:23:58 +0000 UTCI first saw the Mountain Goats in Tallahassee, and they have the album "Tallahassee" and I wondered if Nova would mention that I'm from the Florida panhandle myself. My sister went to FSU. So did Bruce Willis's character in Unbreakable and Bob, the love interest in Elvira: Mistress of the Dark
Andrew Dunn
2025-02-28 21:54:57 +0000 UTCWow, that was a swift response and I really was not trying to intrude or get that prompt of an action out of y'all. I was really just thinking you'd see the message and adjust on the next episode. Thank you so much for the response.
KJB plz do the 6th secret oceans film Logan Lucky
2025-02-28 21:53:09 +0000 UTCHey! Im sorry, maybe the list patreon shows me just hasn't refreshed. I'll add your name to the outro tomorrow and swap the episode file out 🫡
Its Devon Babeyyy
2025-02-28 21:50:53 +0000 UTCCan I get my name read at the end? "KJB plz do the secret 6th oceans film, Logan Lucky" I upped my sub to ask and get my name read, pretty please Dev or Nate?
KJB plz do the 6th secret oceans film Logan Lucky
2025-02-28 21:44:17 +0000 UTCI saw this movie in Tallahassee when it was first premiered. For those that don't know, Tallahassee is the home of Florida State University. FSU's arch rival is The University of Florida, which is located in Gainesville. So when Charlize Theron wails, "I don't wanna go back to Gainesville!" it got a great big laugh. That's what I most remember about this movie, other than Al Pachino dialing it up to eleven.
Hugh Kearney
2025-02-28 21:44:09 +0000 UTCalso yay AJ's back!
Ros Ballinger
2025-02-28 21:41:35 +0000 UTCHE'S AN ABSENTEE LAAAAANDLORD!
Ros Ballinger
2025-02-28 21:40:40 +0000 UTC
