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@Dave Han i feel like i answered you already once again i only agreed with shittu in regards to his evaluation of draymond’s play never said you was a fanboy just said it “sounds like it” with you trying to speak for Alch & no i don’t feel like Alch is biased he actually pokes fun a draymond fairly often lol plus Steph is our best player he should be held to a higher standard so even if he was biased Idc... but you do sound sensitive this is days old now it’s just hoops

I'd like a reply back from you Cameron: 1) Back up calling me a sensitive fanboy with proof 2) Answer whether you feel like Alch has been biased during your time here. I think I have treated you with respect in responding to you, and I think you owe me the same.

Dave Han

Not exactly NBA related but anyone else been following Paige Bueckers? Girl is balling out at Uconn. As to Draymond Yes he arguably lost us the game against the Spurs today but overall I think he is still a net positive for the team this season and now in this rebuild of sorts more than previously. There simply isn't the sheer talent to fall back on in the rest of the roster. He's as much the glue guy as he has ever been. More to the point of trades I don't really think his value is that high around the league I can't see many other teams being keen to take on his contract. I think you can argue he is overpaid but it was obvious to everyone was it not that the warriors core was due to get paid big at some point over the course of the dynasty run. You want to be really ruthless sure trade both him and Klay but you do that and you can kiss the culture that has been established good buy. Steph alone does not make the Warriors who they are and you will struggle to recruit the talent you supposedly want.

Alasdair Macdonald

Lol, listen to you whine. So Alch is our false GOD, while you're the only sane free-thinker. At the same time, you're a helpless victim of unjust persecution and are being "crucified" like Jesus? LOL, way to mix your religious metaphors. Oh, and that's what my reference to therapy was...a METAPHOR, but that was just another point of mine that you have failed to answer. All you seem to do is repeat yourself. HOW many times did you bring up Draymond was hurting the team? Even now you can't help yourself and are bringing up the SAME point, but instead of writing it in a mature way, you had to include your little digs of "i told you.. its glaring.. its that simple.." EVERYTHING is simple to you no? If this is so simple and you're so smart, why do I have to keep repeating my point? Once you stop infusing all of your posts with smarmy neediness, I'll stop pointing out you're doing it and we can go back to having basketball conversations. If you actually want to try and move on...then MOVE ON. I promise you I will.

Dave Han

If you have followed me long enough you know I try to trade Draymond like once a month. But let’s not make this a taking sides thing.most of us have a love hate relationship with him. And everyone has the right to their opinion. Just keep it hoops that’s all

Athletic Alchemy

@Alc.. me the troll just pointed out that draymond was hurting this team and was crucified for it. He lost us those 2 games.. vs mavs and tonight. He told JTA to leave kleber to double Luka and didnt rotate to cover.. i told u.. its glaring. The problem is kerr is too scared to coach draymond.. its that simple..

Curry deff gets his celebrations from his little girls

El_Remolino

Of course you don't know me in real life, none of us do. What relevance does that have? This is an INTERNET group, we're going by the comments we make on the comment board. "some of you guys are a little sensitive & honestly sound a little like fanboys." Those are your exact words, so you're actually calling out a couple people, but I'm focusing on you and me. You said "sounds a little like" instead of just straight up calling me a fanboy...which is a half-ass statement. So it seems like you're trying to take a step back and say you didn't really call me a fanboy. Whether you were accusing me of being a Draymond fanboy OR and Alchemy fanboy, I challenged you to bring me proof. I also asked you directly whether you feel like Alchemy's analysis is biased in the time you've been here. I also questioned whether you read the entire back-and-forth...and if so, WHY are you still making false statements about Shittu being called a troll for his calling out of Draymond? I will repeat myself again, I'm calling Shittu a troll for his TONE, his LANGUAGE, and WHININESS. I already agree with most of his points about Draymond's flaws. You weren't even part of the conversation, but you chose to step into in....and I'm now forced to respond to you because what you wrote isn't accurately reflecting what's going on. "Trolling is saying ignorant, irrelevant things for attention" Again, your own words. I took the time to highlight a dozen or so juicy trolls drops from Shittu, and even now you're defending his behavior because he was unfairly called a troll by sensitive fanboys (a complete mischaracterization)...and maaaaaaaaybe he could've expressed himself better? If you're going to throw any accusations, then bring your receipts. Please show me how I have been a fanboy or a troll. Trying to play the peacemaker right now when you've already taken sides on the matter and lobbed a jab in my direction seems disingenuous. p.s. I disagree that we all want a win. When it comes to the team, I want a competitive game that shows good progress...that will hold true this entire season. For this patreon community, I want us all to be able to all speak freely, fairly, and respectfully so that we can enjoy the game we love together, irrespective of our favorite team or players

Dave Han

My comment was only in regard to his criticism on draymond i don’t know any of you personally so i don’t know if you’re a fanboy i said “sounds like” & i mean that from the aspect of speaking for Alchemy & yes i agree shittu maybe could’ve expressed his views better but some of his words was in response to being called a troll. At the end of the day we all want the dubs the win we state our opinions & move on see y’all in tomorrow comment section after this W tonight

I forgot...here's the kicker: "Its just basketball. Not all that serious man." @Cameron: All your points about Draymond are valid (which you made them better than Shittu ever could)...AND we've been have this exact discussion for seasons. Did you actually read everything in this post...It sounds like you haven't and are just assuming everything I say is being a Draymond fanboy because of my avatar image. If you actually read what I wrote, then I don't understand how you can totally miss the point I make MULTIPLE times that it's Shittu's attitude that's the problem. It says you've been on Patreon since Apri 2020. Since your time here, do you remember Alch talking shit about Draymond and every other Warrior at one time or another? Do you feel like he's taking it easy on any players? Do you think Shittu's constant whining about Alchemy failing to hold Draymond accountable is actually A) valid and B) appropriate? If you didn't throw in an insult that me and others are being fanboys, then I wouldn't have any problem with what you say. In general, everyone here needs to back up their statements...that's just being a basic level of quality that I expect, because this isn't youtube. Is that wrong of me and why shouldn't each of us be held to that standard?

Dave Han

for real the average turnover costs a team on average 2.38pt/turnover this season, and how many did Draymond have? Like 6?

Adv

Please clarify Cameron: You're saying Shittu isn't a troll (close) and I'm just a Draymond fanboy? I'm going to list out every troll comment of Shittu's on this video alone...so I would like you to point out every "fanboy" comment you've ever read me make: "Alchemy. Im suprised how u dont emphasize that draymond has to score. "..also u gloss over draymond's 7 TOs but when steph had 7TO's in a game u highlighted it like the world was falling despite him scoring 35pts." "Idk why people talk about IQ. Its a skill based sport ..his IQ cant make do for lack of skill. This is not SAT. " "Believe me i do real scientific stuffs and know u dont need to be a geinus to know draymond is ass cheeks" "Dude stfu respectfully dave han...So han mind your business before i make u look like ham.." "@Toulivinho.. i never knew your father was a fool. U might be careful how u talk to him next time." "Most dubs fans say draymond is the reason the team is 11-10 like we did nt see them last season. Alchemy should try to emphasize his lack of scoring." "If Alc is your God well he isnt mine. If i have a difference of opinion with him why do u guys have to jump in? Its this low intellectual behavior that created MAGA movt." "dray not scoring at least 10pts isnt helping this team. I hope alc brings this up and he gets to see it. And for yall disciples, stay in your lanes.. ty" "Kindly find the stats of warriors winning percentage this season when draymond scores 10pts" "Ham.what therapy session are u talking about ?.. i'll leave u where u belong. In the trash... " "@ Ham.. not everyone needs life lessons mr shrink.. not all of us are braindead over here.. im sure your clients really reflect on your thoughts.. i feel sorry for u. Seek help man."

Dave Han

@ Cameron. God bless u. Thats my point. We lose a game in which steph scores 57 by 2pts. Draymond and JTA score 2pts each as starters. The suns have a better record than the warriors and cp3 and booker havent scored 40 in a game this season.. my point is scoeing needs to be more balanced. Draymond 8-10ppg .. simple..

I don’t understand all the back & forth/hate for shittu we all have our own opinions some of you guys are a little sensitive & honestly sound a little like fanboys. Trolling is saying ignorant, irrelevant things for attention i don’t think shittus comments were either tbh he not that far off & he’s not the first to say it at time even with all the intangibles & iq at times draymond hurts the team with his inability to score & sometimes unwillingness to even try to score its like playing 4vs5 at times then when you add in turnovers and lobs that’s getting players hurt i don’t think it’s trolling to call him out i got love for dray as a follower of the warriors but 6-10 ppg is not asking much... ppl give Ben Simmons shit when he averaged just 14 ppg with 9 assist , 9 boards along with great defense Soo if that can be criticized don’t think it’s trolling to call draymond out aswell at times. He hasn’t improved in any tangible way in at least 2 years & has come into camp out of shape multiple times

Lmao @ Shadow realm. Yes I agree.

Alex deB

I’m aware of the step thru.. but what about the gather off the dribble into a step back. Try to step back and land on 2 feet at the same time. Too me it seems like discontinued steps

Athletic Alchemy

Luka jumping into defenders blew me. Also the lack luster defense. We couldn’t get a run going AT ALL. But what bothered me the most is the game was close and on the line and Kur keeps Steph on that same “come in on the 6 min mark in the 2nd & 4th” shit. Like he was going OFF and they needed him to play more minutes that night. Didn’t have to play all the 4th quarter the other night so why not play him. He should have been out there just as long as Luka to counter him.

Alex deB

I felt like popping a couple Xannies after that Bill Simmons bit on draymonds dip. Shit was mad depressing

Gunners4life

I’ve seen the same problem with oubre since the start of the season.He’s the most delusional athlete out there...kyrie typa vibe...He thinks he is the number 2 behind steph in the O...Wiggins needs to step up....or somebody should tell oubre that he’s a 3&D....he knows the system by now...but in the heat of the moment he go back in his ways...he needs to shoot a lot to be engaged in a game in o and d....we don’t need that in our team...we need a facilitator aside from green....steph should concentrate in scoring only...

Another example of your arrogance. You're "kindly" asking Alchemy to go look something up for you...which will be a very narrow way of "proving" how Draymond is trash. Alch isn't here to do YOUR bidding. If anything, all of US should be helping him out by trying to point out things he may miss so that his analysis is as top-notch as it can be. Stop using this online forum as some sort of emotional dumping ground/therapy. "I might be new on this patreon but ive been following alchemy on his youtube channel for years. So han mind your business before i make u look like ham."....So you're using the fact that you followed him on YouTube for years and have NOT BEEN a Patreon supporter all that time (while you're literally talking to ALL THE ORIGINAL PATREON SUPPORTERS) as some sort of rationale for why you have every right to talk as much shit as you want? And then you're gonna tell ME to STFU or else you'll make me look like "ham?" PLEASE BE MY GUEST AND DO YOUR WORST.

Dave Han

You got that travel analysis on Steph wrong. The left foot (pivot) has to come down for it to be a travel. You can pick it up no problem. It's only a travel when it comes back down. Bad call by the refs. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_t4GADxJwQ)

Scout7

I don't understand what's up with all the oubre hate by the majority of warriors fans, let me be clear I'm not talking about you alchemy, you are fair with every player. Almost everyone else tho just seems to trash Oubre if he doesn't score 25 or more but he has honestly been steadily getting better and better the last several games besides the suns game debacle lol. It's not an issue with any one player, it comes down to everybody playing together more. It sounds like a cop out but its true, we have potential alot of fans just have to be more patient this year. PS yes that snatch back 3 is nearly impossible to hit, I tried to get good at it once lol

KuraiT

Been waiting to see what a fourth quarter curry looks like, he was always pulled after the 3rd. I knew the 54 career high was to low. He gon have some crazy nights this season

Toulivinho

Oh please there's is place for some of the things you mentioned but please not Mark Jackson

Toulivinho

Ditch Wanamaker, ditch Obrea, replace Myers with Jerry West, redraft Ball instead of Wiseman, rehire Marc Jackson as head coach - Kerr can be his assistant. Marc seems better with building talent.

Tyler Durden

He's bona fide!

Dave Han

If you're so smart, why is it so hard for you to understand that your arrogant tone is offputting? On top of that, you're new here, so coming at Alchemy as if he's not holding Draymond accountable is LAUGHABLE. Alch's been talking about trading Draymond for years. Ohhh...you do REAL SCIENTIFIC STUFFS....OK. Well then all of our doubts have been answered, EVERYTHING you say about the simple game of basketball must be true. Kindly go make your own basketball channel on Patreon and educate all of us idiots. This game is obviously a simple game of numbers. I mean...you've PLAYED before right? Have you coached before as well? Oh wait, that shouldn't matter...forgive my impertinence.

Dave Han

Luka play style is getting more and more disgusting to watch... can’t even imagine the shit he’s gonna pull of 10 years from now

Kevin Chan

Kindly find the stats of warriors winning percentage this season when draymond scores 10pts

He’s not gonna get the shot back. That seems clear. His

John Pettus

Alchemy. Im suprised how u dont emphasize that draymond has to score. He needs to score at least 10ppg for warriors to have a chance to win vs playoff games. This is no longer the 90s or 80s where due to low scoring games of that era u could afford to have a non scoring threat on the floor. Jokic had 50pts and still lost to a team where nobody had 35pts but 6 players were in double figures. A team with 5 players in double figures is better than a team of just one player scoring 50 and multiple single figures. Thats how the suns and the nuggets beat us.. also u gloss over draymond's 7 TOs but when steph had 7TO's in a game u highlighted it like the world was falling despite him scoring 35pts. Look..i never subscribe to giving a guy who cant score in double figures 100m. Its not good cap management. I'll rather have christain wood than draymind green. Idk why people talk about IQ. Its a skill based sport ..his IQ cant make do for lack of skill. This is not SAT. Believe me i do real scientific stuffs and know u dont need to be a geinus to know draymond is ass cheeks.. bazemore and oubre are also low IQ players and brad cant run motion offense. Its beyond his understanding..

the problem with the stepback craze is that everyone thinks that they are James Harden, except for James Harden rn ironically

Pirate Ramsay

Need Lonzo for the sole reason that the Warriors can send Oubre and the Hobbit back to the Shadow realm. 2 birds with 1 stone type of beat

William Mitchell

Dray is an anomaly nowadays - a big that can't shoot. He more than makes up for it as point forward and facilitator - 15 assists back to back? New recored for starting center and he's only done it a handful of times? That's INCREDIBLE. Still, having said all that, if he could get to at least 30% from long range, it would really keep the D honest, and probably win games like the one last night. I know he can shoot them, he's done it in the past.

Draymond is making too many bad turnovers he knows the value taking care of the ball he has to be better.

Meaning he stays within himself, your not going to see him take a step back 3 because he hasn’t got a shot up

Athletic Alchemy

What does "stays in pocket' mean? (re: Toscano not shooting).......I hope they change that rule on shooters leaning in. As you say, it ruins the game.

Jerry Heverly

He has .. but its one thing to be opportunistic its a another to hunt it.

Athletic Alchemy

yeah there were several late clock back breakers... Baze just doesn't think out there he just goes

Athletic Alchemy

He ran some stuff for Baze once he was hot... I thought JTA could have pulled a couple of 3s, but they would have been contested. I dont think you call sets for him, just let him get some back doors or weakside 3s a lot of the time the difference between a 38% 3pt shooter and a 30% one is shot selection. For me Id like to see Kerr attack matchups more

Athletic Alchemy

the ones he got away with were objectively offensive fouls, leaned into the defender landing zone in a unnatural shot motion

Athletic Alchemy

He is quickly going to become the new Harden

Athletic Alchemy

yup.. bet he doesn't do it again tho

Athletic Alchemy

Klay has less to think about, Steph with more options makes more mistakes

Athletic Alchemy

really? Thats not how I read it.. looked like they were having fun in a shoot out

Athletic Alchemy

not after the hop step back tho..but again steph thought he was getting the grace of the gather like harden and Tatum get

Athletic Alchemy

That's who he looks like! Man I've been trying to figure it out

Diosdado

That Brunson dude looks like a ditto

Adv

Not surprised we lost but at least it was close. Defense was bad for both teams but that isn't exactly a surprise. It was entertaining though even if it felt like all Stephs effort was going to waste for most of the game. On the 3pt fouling it annoys me as much as anyone but to play devils advocate hasn't Steph pulled that same trick from time to time? Let's hope the NBA sees reason and clamps down on it league wide. But I won't hold my breath. The last possession, I'm not going to be mad at JTA even if he did make a mistake. I blame Kerr for that. Surely everyone should know by now that playing the foul game is 99% of the time your best shot at eeking out a tie or win in situations like that.

Alasdair Macdonald

Good game. We were just ready to tip the momentum scale when Baze bailed out Hardaway Jr with a bad foul on a long 3 at the end of the 3rd quarter. We seemed to lose our edge and Hardaway woke up and got hot after that.

SAOpp

I love your critiques! Glad I joined so I don't have to listen to idiots like Shaq and Kenny try to analyze. What stood out in the stat line for me is JTA only taking one shot? Because he follows directions and stays in pocket, I realize but he's been on fire since getting a new lease on life. If I'm Kerr I'd run a few plays for him to make up for the other guys going cold. Without 56 from Steph this game's a blowout. Nothing to brag about. I think Kerr is simply too passive a coach. He's great with highly motivated stars who don't need a fire lit. But he's lousy at lighting fires under others, because his own is weak at best. Even MJ thought so. He's a massage therapist, not a coach. This team needs Marc Jackson, it's still young.

Great work as always. I think what bothers me most of the jump into the defender is when they jump sideways. Like it looked like to me Wiggans was going to jump to Luca's right side and Luca jumps right to "shoot" the ball. Where is the D supposed to go if they are literally going to the side of the shooter?

David Y

Man I hate the way Luka plays. It literally disgusts me to my core.

Edward Zeng

JTA showing his inexperience on that quick double team. The last thing you give up in that situation is a wide open corner three.

Christian Hollaway

Huge issue that will get him cut for sure. Kerr gotta be done with his bullshit too

You gotta hit the YouTube link, always issues with Vimeo for me too.

I think he likes getting Steph antsy. It brings him the energy that he lacked in Q1.

I'd love to see it happen this season. It would give Klay another chip on his shoulder coming back.

JTA has way better defensive disciplines and understanding than a veteran like Bazemore which is just embarrassing. Wanamaker has a severe underdog syndrome. I understand almost everyone on this team has it but it's just like, stop taking these superstar shots man

Paradox

Anybody audio trouble playing the Venmo videos from here? I’m getting no sound on my ipad

Terrance figgs

I’m liking Wiggins more and more

Paul Hanson

If I'm Kerr, I run that lineup that ended the game as the starters, let them play together more and develop some chemistry mostly on defense.

6 free throws and an extra 3 pointer from the out of bounds is legit a 9 point swing like, thats the fucking game right there and its just so frustrating. also dray gotta fuckin chill with the turnovers

Shea Johnson

didnt watch the first half and amazed to see that luka got 6 fucking free throws jumping into a defender this game, absolutely horseshit officiating

Shea Johnson

I know its dub nation to the core over here but objectively kyrie is still holding the crown with his below the rim finishes. Kyrie's finishes are spectacular but credit Steph for his high level of efficiency at the basket this year.

Anthony Gray

I'm kind of frustrated by Kerr being so rigid with his rotations. He didn't bring Steph and Dray until the 6 minute mark of the 4th. Steph had the hot hand all night and this game was a very important one against a Mavs team that could potentially catch up to us in the standings. It wouldn't hurt Curry to play a 40+ minute game every once in a while

guni_800

"and 500ft from schools" got me dying lmfao

Vlad

I agree steph settled vs KP and credit mark jackson who said don't fall in love with the three 2 seconds before steph launched. Difference between Klay's infernos and Steph's infernos is #1 I think Curry struggles from mental lapses and #2 Klay is a catch and shoot artist so will generally get a lot of better shots . tough way to leave Dallas after the chef cooks but will see how it goes in San Antonio.

Anthony Gray

Brutal loss. They need to split in San Antonio or it could be deep trouble. Team looked deflated after the loss

A m a r Singg

That’s what we had Chriss for. Last time he played Luka didn’t they get into it.

Kahlil Baker

that steph 3 was not a travel Unc, you can lift your pivot foot after you establish it, otherwise every lay up would be a travel

Yigit Giray Asik

I thoughr about on the first game but in yesterday it was even more obvious... SOMEBODY had to put Luka on his but. Let him know if hes doing his cheap stuff, he was going to get putted on thr floor, somebody HAD to hard foul him, bc you said it last game, idk if soft is the word, i think hes a bitch lol. Also i thoughr yesterday game was the official start of the mvp campaing for steph. I agree with you and Kerr, this is the best i've ever seen him play WHEN hes agressive his game its just flawless at this point, the shooting the inside scoring and the overall gravity this dude in offense is the most impactfull to ever do it, and now hes playing good defense.

tomas klappen

I thought Curry was going to try to beat Klay’s most 3pt shots in a game record. With 10 at the half he could’ve done it

Kahlil Baker

People are going to notice Steph's 10 threes but man his finishes at the rim were spectacularly unreal. I've seen a lot of dudes that could finish at the rim over the years but I've never seen anyone finish better than Steph this year, he defies angles, spin, contact, and gravity control over and over.

Steven Stanley

Well….shades of that Timberwolves game where the refs purposely fucked us cuz they didnt like getting laughed at by Curry and Iggy. How do you miss that out of bounds call? How do you call that travel when Luka has done it THREE times? How do you not give that flagrant to Porzingis, when if it were Draymond, he’s ejected from the game? Ugh. Whatever. Enough bitching about the refs from me. Here's my 1 per game: Brad Wanamaker is literal garbage and I wish he'd go fuck off to the Australian league or something. Curry, while he played amazing, didnt seem to have to work too hard. The Mavs defense was just utterly atrocious. Not that there was anything easy about his 57, its just….it didnt seem to be as difficult as some 40pt games he’s had. I wish he couldve capped off such a night on a W, but oh well. So long as his career high is a W, Im fine with it. Just a shame that he didnt get to snatch the hearts of Dallas for a 4th time. Draymond has got to stop with the pull up jumpers and early 3s. I get that he needs to see if hes got it early on….but its just totally destroying the offense. Rebounding again was probably the bigger reason why we couldnt win this game. Just too small and not paying attention to boxing out. I mentioned the Mavs defense was terrible…...ours was even worse. Credit the Mavs ball movement at times but god we looked terrible out there. Tim Hardaway Jr. looked like his dad out there cooking us every single time. All in all, Im not TOO upset about the loss, because of all our injuries and because this season still doesnt mean much to me. We know our ceiling is maybe a 5th seed so Im not pushing for championship aspirations. Fuck Luka though. I liked him initially. But the fact that he’s adopted the James Harden approach to the game is just sickening. Id argue hes actually better than Harden, and that he shouldnt have to revert to those bullshit tactics. Oh and Chiefs win by 10. Please oh please dont let Brady win ANOTHER superbowl.

Jansen E

Before this game the day before i had a dream Steph dropped 80. I texted my homie and told him that and then Steph had this crazy game which is close enough to 80 for me. Steph is insane

hugojimcam

Yes.. .as soon as I saw the score and all the talks about the points, I started checking for this!!! So many points by one player and still loose the game.... that's what bottom teams do with poor players and one great player. This is when we miss Klay the most! Ok... going to check out the video now!

Francisco Hazel