Battle of Columex Infobox
Added 2023-11-27 04:11:17 +0000 UTCAnd here is one for the Battle of Columex, which was in the last two chapters. Below is, again, a wiki infobox of the battle. Each marker represents around 50 ships. Casualties are inclusive of both destroyed/killed and captured/POWs.
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Not the first Council member to die during this war. Two of them died in the second battle of Christophsis. Though Oppo Rancisis probably hurt more because one of the oldest Council members, one of the few Jedi to knows battle meditation and was pretty respected by the military to the point of being a important Advisor that was the go to guy who talked with higher-ups in the Republic military I believe?
Mrsean22
2023-11-28 16:18:13 +0000 UTCRear admiral Bonteri or Vice Admiral Bonteri? Also is this the first council member they've lost in this war? Sorta would put a big target on Bonteri for being the architect of that, mostly by holding out long enough and by masterminding the strategy/tactics that damaged the republic fleet so much.
NostalgicTime
2023-11-28 03:49:46 +0000 UTCBoth sides are exhausted, mentally and materially, any further offensives into the oppositions territory would immediately overextend their already depleted remaining forces. Both sides are at an impass as they need time to replenish their war material and forces enough to be able to mount future offensive while still being able to guard their own territory and supply lines.
NostalgicTime
2023-11-28 02:00:45 +0000 UTCThey forgot that while machinations and force BS can make a large difference in the outcomes of battles, having a supremely competent enemy commander and staff would be able to beat those out. The tactics used by either side are incomparable.
NostalgicTime
2023-11-28 01:51:58 +0000 UTCOh, you lowered the lost spacer count for the republic side? Thought for sure the 2 mandators would heavily screw that somewhat. Edit: I see, had Oppo not used battle meditation in conjunction with how many other jedi masters as nodes, the opening grape shot of asteroids would have totally destroy any morale and cohesion the fleet had. They were essentially organic droids at that moment, against any other enemy they would have wiped them out no question. The force is such a BS multiplier. Also propaganda against jedi capable of making people into essentially organic droids.
NostalgicTime
2023-11-28 01:49:28 +0000 UTCThanks for these really like the extra information from them!!
Montmorencey66
2023-11-28 00:56:03 +0000 UTCSo I reread both parts of the battle of Columex and I think I figured out what was Dooku’s and Palp’s original design for how the battle was supposed to go. The goal of the republic armada plus mandators was to overwhelm and destroy the coalition fleet so they wouldn’t be a thorn to Dooku’s side in the parliament anymore and right after finishing the last of the coalition the reinforcements would arrive to defeat the republic with their goal of inflicting maybe one or two hundred destroyed ships on the loyalists and maybe at least one SSD to which the republic would retreat with most of their fleet intact while Grievous gets the prestige necessary to become SC. Unfortunately for the sith they never expected the Coalition’s devastating asteroid cannons nor did they count on Tann returning right before the first fleet meaning this battle was only a partial success for their plans but also hinging on failure because with Griveous arriving last and “missing” the shot he’s gonna be called the mop up general once more.
Flash Red
2023-11-27 20:31:49 +0000 UTCWhat about LACs? The other infobox had data on them but not this one, which is interesting given both fleets heavy use of them. I guess it’s not mentioned here because this battle was much larger and focused on ship maneuvering and artillery as the main tactics rather than surprise LAC swarms?
Hailhound
2023-11-27 18:16:26 +0000 UTCYeh but that was 1 country in 1 world that at the time was not nearly as populated as most of the worlds in SW. Its difficult to comprehend the differences in scale but to an government that controls multiple worlds with the population in the billions losing 1.5 million spacers just isnt that much. Most of the complement of a SW ship are not that skilled, they are doing jobs that would be automated in most other sci-fi settings. The loss of officers and ships is the big blow.
Vector
2023-11-27 16:40:50 +0000 UTCAnother interesting thing as a result of this battle would be the positioning of previously neutral systems, as this is probably the Republic's biggest defeat in centuries, with the CIS showing that not only can they beat the Republic on a large scale but they also have ships like the Malevolence, many indecisive or fearful systems will smell the blood in the air.
CATATAU11MIL
2023-11-27 15:01:59 +0000 UTCThat happened over the course of ww2, this happened in the course of a day or 2. Spacers need to be better trained and knowledgable than a normal grunt. I agree with the ship loses though, that's 1 ½ - 2 sector fleets you ain't getting back. Also they will probably have to abandon the siege of metalorn. Not to mention the loss of such a strong Jedi master/council member.
NostalgicTime
2023-11-27 13:19:22 +0000 UTCThe loss of life while crippling is hardly backbreaking. the Soviets lost around 8.7 million soldiers in ww2 and that was just a war on single planet. Its the loss of dedicated warships that is hurting. The loss of life is a drop in the ocean.
Vector
2023-11-27 13:16:00 +0000 UTCNot unexpected though for a battle of this magnitude. Star Wars ships have crazy crew complements.
Vector
2023-11-27 13:12:14 +0000 UTCSith influence has its limits. When news about the catastrophic losses of the offensive reached the senate.....
Vector
2023-11-27 13:05:13 +0000 UTCSays Pyrrhic victory for the CIS. Maybe that's more tactics? Though I guess getting back it's territory but nothing else could also mean Pyrrhic Strategic victory too. So technically they won but took big loses to stop the Republic. Then again Republic got hurt worse and lost two Mandators with them either destroyed or captured. If nothing else Rains name is gonna be out there. Held on long enough for reinforcements to get there to turn the tide. Though the Republic leaders of these forces captured, dead or missing is pretty big too. Thinking about it Rancisis using Battle Meditation for both battles makes Rain did here impressive even if the Battle Meditation didn't go to the entire Republic fleets.
Mrsean22
2023-11-27 12:54:13 +0000 UTCOmg over 9 million spacers dead? Holy shit!
The Golem Crafter
2023-11-27 11:17:55 +0000 UTCHmmm...interesting, the infobox and the battle overview give a lot more information when you look at things closely. For instance, the fact that Governor-General Therbon is listed and highlighted as the overall commander for the Republic Forces at the battle, and then shows that he is a POW, means that he was captured during the battle. With the Decimators having landed on the Pride of the Core, it was likely Task Force Ascendant which overwhelmed and captured the dreadnought, meaning the Confederacy now has another Star Dreadnought, once they repair it of course. Still, I'm kind of surprised that Therbon survived, seeing how Chapter 31 had the bridge stalk of the Pride of the Core destroyed by the Devastation's superweapon shot. With Master Rancisis listed as having been killed in the battle, and with his location having been confirmed by Barriss to be the bridge of the Legacy of the Founders, this likely indicates that the Victoria Louise shot succeeded, killing him and likely crippling the ship. Admiral Kreuge being listed as MIA, it likely suggests that either he fled the battle with that Task Force of Tectors, or something else happened. Wonder if this might be a sign of something occurring in the future that is being set up. The most interesting thing from this infobox, though, are the results. With the catastrophic losses the Republic likely just took from this battle, as replacing all of those spacers and clones will take a long time, it is no surprise that the Republic has had to abandon all of the gains on the Rimward Perlemian. Any gains they had likely can't be held without a naval presence, and any sieges will likely be lifted during the retreat. What is surprising, however, is that of a ceasefire being declared. The Republic just had around 3 Sector Fleets savaged in this campaign. Compared to that, the Confederacy seems to have more fresh forces, as the 1st and 2nd Fleets just arrived in theatre, while the 4th Fleet is a newly stood up Fleet that should also be ready as well. With the Republic having been repulsed and likely lacking in reserves, why would the Confederacy not go on the offensive after reclaiming the Perlemian? As while I could see one or two of the fleets being used to reclaim the systems conquered by the Republic, and possibly another fleet being sent to hold their other front, there should still be sufficient forces available to conduct a counteroffensive. That is why to me, all of this is making me wonder if perhaps the ceasefire negotiations are being influenced by the Sith. With Palpatine in control of the Republic and Dooku likely still leading the CIS, for now, they should easily be able to set up ceasefire negotiations. Those negotiations benefit the Sith Grand Plan, as currently the war seems to have spiraled out of control for them. Then again, this could be the natural result of such a decisive and destructive campaign, so maybe war weariness is taking its toll. I guess we'll find out next chapter. Thanks for the infoboxes.
Arthrus
2023-11-27 11:01:16 +0000 UTCWoah I completely missed this. “Ceasefire negotiations begin”? Palpy just had an aneurysm over this
Puncake1102
2023-11-27 10:32:43 +0000 UTCOooh, the date really helps... will the battle of Jabiim take place in this timeline?
NostalgicTime
2023-11-27 10:26:24 +0000 UTCSeems the author changed the colouring right after I stated the issue.
Flash Red
2023-11-27 09:03:27 +0000 UTCI get that, but arn't those ships at the sides seperatist reinforcements? They're colored for the republic.
NostalgicTime
2023-11-27 08:58:39 +0000 UTCLook up the previous post on the battle of centares, it has the separatists as blue and the loyalist as red.
Flash Red
2023-11-27 08:14:51 +0000 UTCWait what, I'm confused.
NostalgicTime
2023-11-27 08:11:57 +0000 UTCNow that you mention it, I realised I fucked up the colouring. I owe you one for that.
elsicava
2023-11-27 07:42:32 +0000 UTCSo this time the separatists are red and the loyalists are blue got it.
Flash Red
2023-11-27 07:37:15 +0000 UTC>Tann not listed as MIA/KIA. Get fucked, Grievous / Dooku
Puncake1102
2023-11-27 07:32:49 +0000 UTCOh now that I think about it, I think a good clarification to include is number of capital ships on each side, as well as number of SSD(2)/Dreadnoughts(2). I bet the invasion fleet had a much bigger capital ship to support/smaller ship ratio, so their losses are on a much worser scale (Like what’s seen in number of casualties)
Quentin Johnson
2023-11-27 05:37:26 +0000 UTCFor the republic to lose almost 50% of the invasion force in a single battle is disastrous, it's the kind of loss that dooms an entire campaign, interested in how both sides will react after the battle, our MC can no doubt expect a promotion.
CATATAU11MIL
2023-11-27 05:23:58 +0000 UTCGotcha. I do hope you mention the number of Jedi casualties somewhere along the line; I’d be quite interested in hearing the numbers. Anyhow, thanks for the clarification!
Quentin Johnson
2023-11-27 05:10:14 +0000 UTCOh damn from the looks of it Oppo didnt survive this battle that's big!
Confused
2023-11-27 05:10:14 +0000 UTCThere were dozens of Jedi present in both, but I only put Rancisis there as he was the only one important to the story. Same thing with Admirals, Vice Admirals, etc.
elsicava
2023-11-27 05:06:10 +0000 UTCVery interesting. Was Oppo Rancisis the only Jedi General involved in both of these battles? Involved as in led or was present at the battle(s)
Quentin Johnson
2023-11-27 05:04:15 +0000 UTCYup. They won the battle but set themselves up for further defeats due to losses. They also won with a nifty but mostly 1 time use tactic that amounts to surprise heavy artillery with asteroids. At best it won't be very effective in the future and will be dealt with mostly by maneuver. Now if the Confeds start using the same approach to lob torpedoes or long range missiles even farther that would change things up quite a bit.
tibbish
2023-11-27 05:02:53 +0000 UTCThe amount of death we have in COVID from January 2020-Today it's 6,981,263 millions death and this battle took 3.1 million more lives in 24 hours or less.
Null
2023-11-27 04:29:40 +0000 UTCYou got it. If you pay attention to the two chapters it's easy to make out who is who and where.
elsicava
2023-11-27 04:27:28 +0000 UTCSo those two solitary blue ships would be where the mandators are at? Also while the Republic lost way more spacers, they're more capable of absorbing the loses than the seperatists are, specifically the Perlemian Coalition. Darth Sidious and Count Dooku really took everything into account, severely weakening the Coalition while achieving many of their goals.
NostalgicTime
2023-11-27 04:23:22 +0000 UTCGoodbye Oppo Rancisis, you will not be missed. Could it perhaps include the number of Jedi participating and the amount lost, maybe also emphasize the 2 Mandators and 2 Subjugators, and if they were lost. Now those are loses the Republic can't easily just recover from. So this battle had a total loss of ~2000 ships and around 10,000,000 spacers. Wow, brutal.
NostalgicTime
2023-11-27 04:16:12 +0000 UTCCrazy loss of life
Kana
2023-11-27 04:13:06 +0000 UTC
