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Like I always say.....hold me accountable

You guys know I'm rather vocal about how I don't like the behavior of Youtubers/influencers online. Fantano was someone I started following in maybe 2010. We started doing content around the same time. His very straightforward style of no frills, I adopted for myself obviously, minus the Cal Chuchesta gimmick. But....as you can see I've deviated from his influence a long time ago. Though, I think he's topped even himself this week. I see this kind of current behavior from Youtube personalities all the time. Ya'll gotta promise you'll be honest with me, hold me accountable, and call me a hypocrite, if I ever start acting like this. I promise you I can take it. Fantano appears to be having a mini public meltdown and I think he needs to realize that whatever he's mad at right now...it's likely not Ye, or the music, or any of it. 

If he had any true balls...he never would've made a review about the record. I know he titled the video "unreviewable 1" but....it's a review lol. If he truly found the album to be that distasteful, and dangerous as a piece of art propaganda...then he could've been the bigger man, and not reviewed it. That would've been a much more dignified and powerful statement. But no...he needs the clicks, he wants the attention, and he doesn't have the insight or the honesty to see that all he's doing is fueling the discourse. Fueling the attention for the record. And that's often the function of art criticism. We are not gatekeepers, we are part of the stream of online consciousness. 

If I ever get to this point...where I am so bitter about politics, jaded about the pop culture discourse, that I have to project it so obviously onto the material I am criticizing...please give me that intervention. Do not let me rant on twitter all day arguing with randos as if I have nothing better to do. Do not let me make videos like this, where I pretend to hold this moral high ground, while blatantly contradicting myself in the same breath. 

The worst part of this video...was where he insults the listeners themselves who enjoy the music, by saying they lack emotional intelligence, or are perhaps just part of Kanye's brainwashed cult. That's rich...coming from someone who acts this delusional publicly. I didn't even know about the album at all. But after Fantano wouldn't stop bringing it up for days online...I had to hear it obviously. And...yeah, I guess I must be stupid or in Kanye's cult. Because...while it has its rough spots...I liked the record. Listened to it a couple of times. A couple of bangers on there as well. Art never had to be moral, and thus I find Kanye's presentation of his art quite interesting, as well as polarizing. I've always found his reflections on his destructive behavior interesting once filtered through the musical experience. But that's just me. If you disagree...you are not lesser for feeling so. Lord. 

Never forget what you are. The Fantano's of the world, the Lindsay Ellis's of the world...it's a pattern of influencer echo chamber destruction. We are privileged to have this platform. Privileged to have even just a dozen people listen to what we have to say and get money for it.  So many wish to be in his position. This man is one of the biggest music critics in the world, due to building his profile all on his own. But in my opinion...he doesn't deserve it at this point.

But yes...obviously I'm kidding somewhat. I don't expect ya'll to hold my hand through anything. I'm fairly level-headed about this whole thing, I think and hope. But, I always fear the alternative, just because it seems so easy to slip into. I am the only Youtuber I know in life, and so there's no one to relate to on the subject personally. But self-importance in success is unattractive to me. Thinking your opinion is so crucial, is the problem. So again...I hope you guys will never be afraid to criticize me when I need it. I respect a lot of your opinions and enjoy our discussions. You all seem like smart people. We all need to be held in check sometimes. It's good for you. :) 

(But seriously...if I ever start calling people stupid for not agreeing with my opinion....please unsubscribe. You have my full encouragement on that. I really drew the line there.)


Like I always say.....hold me accountable

Comments

I doubt something like that will happen to you but if... https://i.imgur.com/2D4mzUP.jpeg

Oskitello

He did the same thing a while back with a video titled "Are These Albums Still 10s?" where he spends ten minutes whining about how the artists (one of them being Ye) have become problematic since his initial reviews and basically never discusses the music or answers the question laid out in the title. Fantano is still a great critic, but the second he stops talking about the music you gotta tune out.

Patrick Aris

They’re at a war with Hamas. And I’d like to hear how you define “Genocide” within this context?

Dan

Unfortunately there are people who are forced to have a stake in the game. I’m not a resistance liberal who pathologically hates Trump, but the guy is definitely an authoritarian goon. If Trump wins this election, it’s not going to be pretty. Especially for minorities and the transgender community.

Henri J. Mertens

Are you conflating being against Israel committing a genocide as “taking Hamas’s side?”

Henri J. Mertens

So anyway…. are we going to see you review the new Woody Allen or Roman Polanski film soon? 😅

Dan

There was a ceasefire before October 7th. And a large majority of Jews would rather take Israel’s side than Hamas’….

Dan

lol....I mean, I find that unsurprising. Fantano fans are trolls by nature and always have been. He asked for it. But it feels like overtime he takes the term troll more and more seriously.

Deepfocuslens

I feel you on the South Park lens

Coyote 87

I think you've made the healthiest decision you can. I made the same choice for the 2020 election, and it really worked out great, because I had absolutely no stake in the game, and I got to see it all through the lens of South Park basically. The difference in how I felt was monumental.

Deepfocuslens

Yeah I used to agree with you on that. He was good at keeping things private. But...he isn't helping things by allowing his anger to spill out indirectly into his professional work, ya know? I think you'd be pretty amazed at some of the things I've been through, where I turned around a week later, did a review, and no one would ever suspect a thing other than my loved ones who know the truth. I know obviously that I'm not internet famous like Fantano or anything...but even if any information did get leaked about me...I'd try and do my best and rise above it, as hard as it can be. Being online like this paints a target on your back. It takes a lot of time and development to get used to it, truly. I've learned many lessons over the years through it.

Deepfocuslens

The majority of pro-Palestine supporters just want a ceasefire. A large majority of Jews are also criticizing Israel. There’s a small minority of people who are blatantly antisemitic, and Anthony has spoken out against them.

Henri J. Mertens

So, I’m watching Anthony’s livestream right now and there’s so many trolls spouting antisemitic comments, it’s hard to count. He honestly needs to stop live streaming and touch grass. Just avoid the insanity.

Henri J. Mertens

I moved from North Carolina to Phoenix a few months ago and after the move I made a decision to not follow any more campaign coverage. I don’t think there’s a decent choice and I’m happier when I focus on the people around me I can actually impact. Just my choice, not shaming anyone passionate about politics. I was for years but it stopped feeling healthy. I also don’t argue with people online anymore, only engage in respectful conversations. A shame when people stay “too online.” It swallows them.

Coyote 87

I don’t think it’s thatttt much of a false equivalence. Like Fantano pulled out one random article about how Kanye’s rhetoric would lead to an increase in hate crimes but is more than happy to ignore the dozens of others in regards to post-Oct 7 rhetoric.

Dan

Couldn't agree more. Both men imo have stupid opinions that they have the rights to have and keep, and really Fanano has no place to make a video like this. I miss the old Fantano, the thatistheplan Fantano.

The Trail We Banana

he's had a lot of intelligent things to say in the past. That's part of why I respected his style so much, and his hard work.

Deepfocuslens

yeah exactly. Maddow needs him like an in denial Carmela needs Tony. Colbert too. He went from being one of the most brilliant political satirists to becoming the thing he used to satirize. He gave a whole heart to heart speech with the audience the night Trump won saying we got too obsessed with the election and with all the craziness. That we all need to take a step back and remember what matters. Well...I took his advice, and it made me become much more centrist as a result. Yet Colbert continues to make his entire existence as an entertainer...about Trump, who he claims must be stopped at all costs. They have to know on some level that they are enablers. They can't be that dumb.

Deepfocuslens

Tbf he does a pretty good job of keeping things private. His divorce got leaked and is the only reason why people know about it. Also he’s mentioned in passing that most of his peers have no idea who the artists he reviews are and that his core audience of the under-25 hasn’t changed. I think that bothers him more than he lets on. I’vs also heard rumors that he’s talked privately about his fear of getting cancelled, which explains his overcompensation these past few years…

Dan

@Arthur I appreciate that. Ironically I’m probably committing the thing that Maggie made this post about lol. But my intention definitely wasn’t to get angry. I appreciate that you still respect my opinion.

Henri J. Mertens

Yeah dude, I have to agree with Henri. Like Kanye, you're really fishing for attention with that last comment. Complete false equivalence.

Stephen

I don't care what you are politically. I just miss the days when we could keep all that to ourselves. It used to be inappropriate to talk about politics and religion so regularly. And you see why. Look at how angry it makes people. It's easy to choose sides, and label others who disagree with you. It's easy to create division. It's easy to feed into everything the media wants. To stay angry and carry on. I think that kind of talk too regularly creates a lack of professionalism. A little mystery is healthy and mature.

Deepfocuslens

You can find a video from years back where he actually had a very intelligent and nuanced view about bad people making art “Read a philosophy book if you’re looking for morality, listen to an album if you want entertainment.”

Dan

Even before I read the rest of your comment I had a feeling you were going to mention Maddow lol. And I completely agree. During the election she would show Trump’s empty podium for 20 minutes and go on and on about his latest controversy, skipping live speeches by other candidates in the race. Maybe Maddow isn’t completely to blame though, I’m pretty sure the execs at MSNBC were terrified of any independent or third party candidates getting legitimacy.

Henri J. Mertens

Anyway, I like that you have this space for conversation with your fans

Coyote 87

Also, I grew up with political punk. Sometimes there isn’t meant to be a separation of politics and the music and that’s fine too. But I don’t think Kanye is aiming for anything as profound as the Dead Kennedys

Coyote 87

That's what I like about you and why I've stuck around for all these years. I think of that great scene in It Happened One Night when Clark Gable puts Claudette Colbert in her place with that great line "Ever hear of the word humility?" That is exactly what you have which is sadly becoming more and more rare these days. Never change.

Wolfman Brandon

I will say that I like some of the production on the album. I could separate it from the public Kanye if I had it on as background music and didn’t pay attention to the lyrics.

Coyote 87

I totally agree with the Maddow comparison. Bill Burr had a funny point about the liberal media (and I’m neither liberal or conservative, just getting that out of the way) … Burr’s point was that Trump is a narcissist and narcissists feed off attention. If they truly wanted him to lose, stop with all the air time. Don’t give the trolls what they want.

Coyote 87

yeah it's the afterthought thing that bugs me. If you're gonna review it, review it. And call it a review. Or say what it is...a way to vent about your anger towards Kanye's behavior.

Deepfocuslens

I disagree about separating art from artist, though it's a complicated discussion to be had. But...we are allowed to disagree, and I don't look down on you for disagreeing. But it feels like Fantano would look down on me, based on his attitude. Yeah it reminds me of the Trump discussions. Fantano claims to hate Ye, and yet he can't stop talking about Ye. This implies that deep down Fantano needs Ye, though he doesnt know it. It's part of his success, and he forgets his function as part of the culture collective. Fantano reminds me of like a Rachel Maddow for MSNBC. She's allowed to be mad, but she is so deranged about it that she ends up giving Trump more a platform through her vitriol. She will be one of the reason for his success, if he is in fact successful.

Deepfocuslens

yeah I just wish that it didn't have to be so public. The online star and the online world is all very new. And so this behavior to me, while some might be desensitized to it...I refuse to be. We all go through things. But I just miss the days when people kept things more private.

Deepfocuslens

yeah I remember those times. I was a big fan of thatistheplan and all that. The review also feels like it's discussing everything but the real core content of the music. He seems to want to personally attack more than be critical. If he hates it that's fine. It just feels like he didn't express why very well.

Deepfocuslens

Take solace in knowing I value your opinion just as much as the other two.

Arthur Augustyn

I have never heard of this man, but after reading your post and watching his video, I don’t care for him. His vibe screams he believes everything he says is the absolute truth, and, even though he mentions it, he quite literally cannot separate the art from the artist. He spends half the video complaining about Kanye’s history, and I understand why people dislike Kanye, but don’t give his art attention through listening and reviewing it if you’re so offended. It felt like his actual critiques of the songs were just an afterthought to his anger at Kanye himself. I need to give the album a listen to form my own opinions, but this guy should have never reviewed it if he’s that pressed.

Shane Palamara

I’m Jewish and I think Israel is committing genocide. I guess I’m a self hating Jew? To say that Fantano and Kanye are on the same page is ridiculous.

Henri J. Mertens

Fantano had a divorce sometime last year or late 2022 and his fan base has noted a shift in his demeanor. It’s pretty tragic because based on prior videos where she showed up he seemed really in love. I may give him some slack for that reason. At the same time, Fantano is victim to this left/marxist view that being disengaged politically is “just as bad” as being on the “wrong side of history.” He feels an obligation to use his platform to spread political arguments and it’s unsurprisingly it’s bad. He was especially annoying during the 2020 election. I was a big Yang guy and half his feed was dunking on Yang constantly (because many Yang supporters had Sanders as their 2nd preferred). I just wanted music recommendations. I had a rule a few years ago where I would unfollow anyone who talked about politics when that wasn’t why I followed them. This proved to be a totally fruitless rule because it eliminated my entire feed. I need everyone to understand just how little influence they have over anything outside their lane. Or even in their lane. Fantano gave MBDTF a 6 and he is just wrong. It seems like the world is going to get worse before it gets better. I do think people are getting tired of it all. Hoping for a sea change soon. I appreciate your approach to the community. Especially as a frequent “probably has an inappropriate aggressiveness in his critique ” critical poster on your content. I try to keep it about the work and the opinions and nothing beyond that. Everyone is free to ignore bad opinions in the comments. I am glad you keep your focus on what should be the focus. Also, I haven’t watched the review in question but my understanding of left leaning views these days is they believe Israel is committing genocide so shouldn’t he be buds with Kanye now? They’re finally on the same page.

Arthur Augustyn

I agree with Fantano’s take that you can’t separate the art from the artist this time. I can’t separate the politics and antisemitism from Kanye’s new music because it’s IN the lyrics. But I also agree with you in that he could have just not reviewed it. Kanye is becoming less and less relevant each month in the music world. Ironically, Fantano’s constant blabber about him is one of the things that keeps what relevancy is left afloat. And it’s silly to title it unreviewable and then… review it. I still like Fantano. I agree with a lot of his points but if he hates it that much he could just not give the album free press. It’s not like he has a boss telling him to talk about it. He’s feeding into the click machine rat race with this video.

Coyote 87

Dude... I totally get it... hehehe and I also don't want to sound like I'm praising you or whatever... just being honest... but yeah, no worries... I know what you mean :)

Sutil

He’s obviously going through something and putting out his anger towards easy targets like Israel or Ye. It’s probably a mix of the divorce and going through a midlife crisis. We all have dark periods but at least most of us don’t have to constantly produce content as a means of income.

Dan

Personally, I like Fantano. In the past he’s expressed intense dislike for identity politics, political correctness, and political echo chambers. He used to consistently shit on BOTH the left and the right. He was even accused of being alt right simply for making “edgy jokes”. But I feel like his success has finally gone to his head, and he’s just way too online, obsessing over every tweet and Instagram comment. It’s sad to see. After finally watching his “review”, I don’t disagree with a lot he said, I mainly hate his clickbait, disingenuous title. And he obviously forgot the fourth kind of fan of Kanye: people who separate art from the artist.

Henri J. Mertens

and yes I should say...that when your job is to be online, sometimes you say things or do things that maybe you shouldnt. We all do it. I have a million videos where I say cringey things from the past that I totally disagree with now. But...I just don't want to plunge into an entirely different headspace.

Deepfocuslens

lol Thank you so much. Also I want to add that I'm not using this as a way to fish for compliments or anything. But I'm just pointing out that this behavior feels like some epidemic. Seemingly normal intelligent people get swept up into the madness and don't even notice. It's strange, and I just hope I don't ever find myself in the same position.

Deepfocuslens

For sure... I think we all get jaded and tired and cynical at some points in our lives... sometimes we make the mistake of posting shit in that state lol... but you are a mature, intelligent woman and I think you know when to stop.:: but most definitely I'll give you a little heads up if I think you're going off the rails... but nah... not even...

Sutil


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