ANNA PART 2 (AD-FREE AND EARLY ACCESS)
Added 2021-11-18 07:06:04 +0000 UTCAnna Part 2 will be premiering on YouTube tomorrow night, but here it is early for our supporters, as well as ad-free. If you haven't listened to part 1, definitely check that out in our previous post.
Tonight, John and I went live on YT discussing the fascination with true crime. Minus a rocky start due to not having a babysitter, and Lauren not knowing how to work the mute button properly, there was some great conversation! You can find that here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SrP-IbITvQ&t=3277s
Lastly-A lot of breaking news from Gilbert, Arizona where charges are looming in the attempted murder of Brandon Boudreaux (Melani Palowski's ex husband). Justin Lum has given us so much information tonight that John and I are still processing everything. You can follow Justin and the info drop here: https://www.facebook.com/jlumfox10
We will be discussing the new info and probable cause on Friday night during TGIF with a panel of fabulous Hidden True Crime experts. Tricia from WebSleuths will be there, along with Colette, Lori, Julie, and Mindy. There may or may not be a recipe for a Loin Fire cocktail (link to TGIF coming soon).
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Thank you for sharing! We are glad you are catching up. I will be asking Anna questions tonight, so let us know if you have any ☺️
Lauren and John Matthias
2022-03-11 21:37:08 +0000 UTCJust finished both of these interviews and it was wonderful!
Crafty Criminalist
2022-03-11 21:24:30 +0000 UTCAfter listening to this interview again, I’m wondering if the grand jury reconvened yesterday to consider Melanie Gibb’s role in these murders?
Tracy Warberg Holliday
2021-12-04 10:47:34 +0000 UTCWow! So much great information, I’m trying to digest all of it! Anna, so articulate & brave! Thank you Lauren for another powerful interview! It is interesting that Chad labeled his own children dark. I feel a certain amount of compassion for his children as they have been very deceived. And, while this helps us understand their mindset, nothing justifies murder in this case.
Sue Komernicky
2021-11-23 23:39:45 +0000 UTCI absolutely love her authenticity, her bravery, and her humility. She had much more to offer than the original Reddit email! Love the information you’re digging up and Dr. John’s relative analyses. I must add, however, that “dreamer-porn” is up there with “loin fire” for me - for obvious different reasons. To think there was a time she and her husband fancied the idea of their children dating CD’s children… Major crisis averted! She was wonderful and worthy of a two-part interview.
Chelsea Jackman
2021-11-21 04:36:46 +0000 UTCI was wondering that, too, and I looked back through October 2019 General Conference talks. Not sure, but I think it might have been this one from the women's session, "Part of this endeavor will require you to put aside many things of this world. Sometimes we speak almost casually about walking away from the world with its contention, pervasive temptations, and false philosophies. But truly doing so requires you to examine your life meticulously and regularly. As you do so, the Holy Ghost will prompt you about what is no longer needful, what is no longer worthy of your time and energy. As you shift your focus away from worldly distractions, some things that seem important to you now will recede in priority. You will need to say no to some things, even though they may seem harmless."
Andrea Poole
2021-11-20 20:42:41 +0000 UTCI’m curious about an inconsistency I noticed. I first took note of it when reading the docs dump. Regarding Lori giving JJ to Kay, Mel Gibb said on at least two occasions (one of which was her interview with Nate Eaton, I think) that when she asked Lori how the phone call went, Lori said it went well, and that she and Kay had met at the airport, where she passed JJ to Kay (claiming breast cancer, if I remember correctly). But, according to the Reddit email, Lori gave MG a vague answer about where she took JJ. …So, which is it, I wonder? And, why the two conflicting versions?
Katie Marlowe
2021-11-20 02:45:57 +0000 UTCMy ears perk up at every "follow the money" aspect of these grifters. It's disgusting. All of these murders and deaths boil down to greed and ego stroking. Thanks to Anna for speaking out and for being brave within your own faith/spirituality to find your path and to identify the grift here as a grift.
Samantha Wolf
2021-11-19 23:55:46 +0000 UTCI deeply appreciate Anna's honesty and bravery to share such an intimate look at how this all went with this group and their beliefs. I did have one reaction tho- I had a similar reaction to Melanie Gibb's interview-- they still believe all this stuff with the spirits and powers. It's not that julie rowe is a grifter, it's that she's using evil spirits... and I find that chilling that people continue to believe that these things are real.
Andrea Rice
2021-11-19 21:31:00 +0000 UTCI’d like to commend Anna for using critical thought on the occasions when so many did not. Case in point: the energy work seminar by Dr. Nelson, when she listened to her instincts telling her not to continue pursuing such things. Regardless of whether we believe in energy healing, angels, multiple probations, or in science and evolution. There should always be a moral compass to guide us. It’s when people ignore the universal truths of goodness and honesty that bad things happen. So, bravo Anna. You could easily have been swept up in the wave of self-righteousness, pride and greed that is so rampant in this case. You’re one of the good ones.
Katie Marlowe
2021-11-19 11:39:47 +0000 UTCDidn't Mike and Nancy aka color my medias aka latter day media MOVE to Rexburg for the sole reason of following Chad there? I could of sworn this is what they themselves said during an ad for upcoming pap event. There seems to be a theme between all these people-- they spend all their time talking about being so righteous and following God yet they blatantly sin such as this bold face lie. Like Jason Mow the self-entitled warrior for Christ. Acts and preaches one way yet lies about his ties to the people in this case and makes outlandish comment about Charles jeep that cannot be coincidental. Melanie Gibb acting so religious yet bad mouthing the kids and telling Lori to lie to Kay about having cancer. Zulema acting holier than thou yet assisting in the kids death. Chad and Lori both conspiring to murder yet proclaiming they are THE leaders in the last days. Can they not see the foul stains on themselves? Surely God would never favor people who perform such dirty acts. Yet they still put themselves on a pedestal. How could anyone, after all that's come out still adhere to these teachings? Liars, all of them. Shame on these people for creating such suffering and pain. Mike and Nancy and anyone else who lies about their connection should be banished forever. Clearly they do not even uphold honesty in the moral fabric of themselves.
Meg
2021-11-19 05:24:15 +0000 UTCWonderful interview! Does anyone happen to know the exact quote from President Nelson that Anna was referring to from October general conference? When she said it I wondered if Chad heard the same quote and thought of it as confirmation that it was time to “give up” Tammy.
Ashley Henderson
2021-11-19 04:03:49 +0000 UTCSo Lauren can you protect Anna's sources and verify this document ? Does your position as a reporter allow you to verify this document beyond Anna? Because Anna you are awesome!! Thank you for this!!
Cynthia Carter
2021-11-19 03:49:35 +0000 UTCAnother great interview! So interested in the new info you are always digging up, Lauren. Not the same rehashed rehash that happens so many times. Thank you!
Elizabeth Nesbitt
2021-11-19 02:41:03 +0000 UTCIt's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
Erica A. Zwick
2021-11-19 02:03:07 +0000 UTCJust as an aside, Robert Duane Card, the Mormon Dr. Mengele, married his second wife in 2013. His first wife died in 2013. https://www.qsaltlake.com/news/2020/02/01/byu-electro-shock-therapy-doctor-dies-the-day-before-utahs-ban-on-lgbtq-conversion-therapy-goes-into-effect/
Erica A. Zwick
2021-11-19 01:49:33 +0000 UTCin re the Reddit email: Has it been established that, in fact, Jason Mow introduced Chad and Lori in September 2018?
Erica A. Zwick
2021-11-19 01:21:09 +0000 UTCA very powerful interview and observations from Anna. I feel an urge to revisit The Screwtape Letters before I listen to the interview a second time.
Lee Howell
2021-11-19 01:05:13 +0000 UTCI am still so confused about where the reddit email came from in the beginning. Did Anna get this off AVOW and then there was a watered down version? I probably missed some part. Do we have any theories about who wrote or put together the reddit email? I have always thought it was Warwick. OK watched it again. So does Anna think this source who sent her the email who knew two other ladies who made the document have credibility? So we don't think that Warwick had anything to do with it? So basically Anna knew a lady who knew two other ladies those two ladies made the reddit email based off of notes from talking with Melanie Gibb? the Reddit email that posted was not complete on Reddit but Anna had the original in her inbox? Did I finally get that right? So Anna if I understood her correctly thought Melanie wanted all these things out because she was worried about getting charged with something but boy there was a lot of insider information there. Was it written by multiple authors? One Author? Does Anna know who she got the copy from? It seems like a very well informed whisper chain that email. Someone was likely on the inside. It doesn't read like Melanie wrote it.. Who does Anna thing wrote it?
Cynthia Carter
2021-11-19 01:01:10 +0000 UTCDr John please let me know if “visions” and “dreams” are true?? When I sleep I sometimes have dreams, but they don’t mean anything. Or do they?? And all these “visionaries” are they real? Do they really happen? Or is it a mental illness? Please let me know, because so many people seem to think that are true. How can they be true, they are all different. Am I nuts for not believing this?? Love this interview Lauren!
Nora Ann
2021-11-18 22:55:00 +0000 UTCAnna is a superstar. I loved listening to her clear, articulate and detailed recounting of her experiences with Chad, Julie, Tammy, the Daybell kids, Christopher Parrett, and Mike and Nancy James, amongst others. (I know Mike and Nancy too.) I particularly appreciated the letter Lauren read from Tom Harrison about his role as Spencer. I was recently at a luncheon at our Stake President's home, (my husband is in the Stake Presidency), and the SP's wife brought out a very worn and marked up copy of Visions of Glory and began talking about it. I asked her if I could look at it, and I took a few snapshots of pages, haha. The SP asked me if I thought it was a book they shouldn't be reading. I asked them if they’d heard of the Vallow Daybell case, and they said they had briefly heard about it. I told them that the ideas in this book were used in part as a foundation for the ideology of Chad and Lori who are imprisoned on multiple murder charges. We talked a bit about “Spencer,” and the SP’s wife spoke of him in pedestaled tones and felt he was inspired. My mother is also reading the book – the same mother who bought Julie’s first book and paid off her house on Julie’s recommendation from somewhere, and got her whole emergency prep in order. Thankfully, I caught wind of it and had a bold talk with her and she did nothing more than that. I am visiting her in Utah this next week and am going to thumb through the Visions of Glory book (I’m hoping she has a hard copy and not just digital), and have a gentle but direct chat with her.
Melanee Evans
2021-11-18 22:11:27 +0000 UTCLauren & Anna, what an incredible interview. Anna, so bright and articulate. I keep asking myself the same question...how do these seemingly bright people (I'm not speaking about Anna) get so attached to these crazy beliefs? It is truly mind-boggling how many of them still believe in these teachings. Are they “brainwashed”? As for Julie Rowe, I think her beliefs have a lot to do with mental illness. But I think there is a lot more to it than just being unmedicated, which takes me back to brain-washing.
Tracy Warberg Holliday
2021-11-18 21:42:24 +0000 UTCYour interview with Ana was so interesting! But I also wanted to share a link to a hilarious and must watch SNL skit. I remembered it when watching your YouTube live last night..... https://youtu.be/J4RdcE6H4Gs
TriciaTheTrucker
2021-11-18 20:24:22 +0000 UTCShe specified multiple *mortal* probations. As in: multiple lives as a physical human here on this earth (that's how I interpreted it). Maybe that's the difference?
Tara
2021-11-18 19:28:40 +0000 UTCGreat interview. I do have a comment or view of something. Probations. In the church we talk about that. Our first probation was as intelligence or spirits in heaven. We come to earth as our second probation to learn and our third is resurrection and the next life, whatever that may be. Maybe someone could correct or challenge that thought. That’s what I’ve been taught and believe.
Kim Chapman
2021-11-18 16:16:03 +0000 UTCI just finished part 2 and appreciate Anna sharing, she seems very honest it’s another piece of the puzzle that helps us understand how people get caught up in these situations. I continue to be surprised by the lack of morales from these con artists like JR and others.
RobynB
2021-11-18 15:42:14 +0000 UTCThanks, this interview was really fascinating. It's scary to think that Chad and the like were leaders in the AVOW community and so many people think like him! When Anna talked about how interpromotional Chad and Avow's Parret were, I wondered how involved they were with the people who sell the prepper survivalist merch. I'm sure there are a ton of guns involved in this movement as well. Hope the FBI is watching these folks closely.
Jennifer Priebe
2021-11-18 15:14:33 +0000 UTCWOW!! Anna has such great insight into all of this. One thing I slightly disagree with, though, is the transfer of responsibility for the crimes and sketchy behavior onto Satan or dark spirits. This isn't about whether Satan and/or dark spirits exist, but rather about giving people an out to avoid taking responsibility for their actions and being held accountable (cough*Melanie Gibb*cough). Every time I hear MG or another player talk about having "been deceived" I think, no, you chose to do bad things. I will never believe Chad, Lori, or Alex were good people who were deceived by Satan; I think all three are straight up psychopaths and this belief system was a convenient way to pretend murder was justified. Same with energy work. Again, not taking a side as to whether energy work is valid or not. If people want to spend all their money calling 1-800-PSYCHIC they can. IMHO, it's not the energy work per se that "opens the doors to Satan," it's the desire for something beyond the Church or whatever draws these people to energy work that makes them susceptible to breaking other rules like the Ten Commandments. IMHO. Hats off for landing another bombshell interview with an insider who has common sense! I hope Anna has now reached out to Jason & Samantha Gwilliam. They must be so heartbroken, not only because of losing Tammy, but because Tammy's ducklings refuse to see what their father did to their mother. Emma seemed to blame Aunt Samantha pretty early on for badmouthing her dad and somehow that's why her mom was exhumed. Emma's not going to change her mind even if she reads all the Chandler PD evidence that says otherwise.
Vixen 9808
2021-11-18 13:54:38 +0000 UTCThe scariest thing is if they had given JJ to Kay they might have gotten away with everything else…
Lynnette coster
2021-11-18 13:31:52 +0000 UTCThank you again so much for taking the time to explain these different topics, that bind that case together!!
Ashley Kane
2021-11-18 12:59:11 +0000 UTCThis was one of my favorite interviews. Ana was so open and at ease and informative. There is no question that Lauren’s professionalism and sincerity is so valuable in getting these guests to share their stories. With each first hand account the puzzle is coming together. Great job as usual😊
Stephanie Budge
2021-11-18 12:45:23 +0000 UTCThank you so much for everything you've done! I'm obsessed with this case, for many personal reasons it hits home. So much of what John shares in past episodes about what children need and the love letter he's writing to your son touched me so so deeply. Thank you for sharing so much of yourselves both and your research on this case.
Andrea Rice
2021-11-18 12:41:38 +0000 UTCLauren, thank you for working so hard to bring us this content. It's not possible to find the personal interviews you produce for us. There is definitely a difference in the quality of information you and Dr. John have given us. I appreciate this type of information more than any other out there.
Brown Eyed Girl
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Lauren and John Matthias
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Lauren and John Matthias
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