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Our First Patreon Livestream #MakingHistory

We're about to make history right after tonight's public Hidden Hour. We'll come on over here for a Q and A! Here is where you can find our public Hidden Hour: https://youtube.com/live/Vsdpg9eab58?feature=share

Our First Patreon Livestream #MakingHistory

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The fact that he has withdrawn from Lori and is even blaming her- shows that he doesn’t believe any of it. Or he would have stood by Lori and the whole story of zombies.

CG1

Hi

Cassandra Tee

Curious watching this very late, do you still have the same concerns about Rob Wood or the Prosecution as a whole? Follow up opinion would be great.

Mary Salgado

Catching up. Great to watch even late. Hope I can make next Live "live"! Do I need a different app aside from this to do a live question.

Mary Salgado

Me to Samantha. Welsh girl x

Charmaine Murray

Excited to be part of patreon

Charmaine Murray

LOVE the Bellagio pool party announcement 🎉 Idea for t shirts…. We might be dark but we avoided the STORM Thanks for all you do. Thanks for having the live chat. I have learned so much from you both, and as I told you, your content is both unique and extremely valuable.

Drkatiedds

I believe there is no spousal privilege if the case involves children. From the relevant Idaho law: Exceptions. There is no privilege under this rule: (1) Child related communications. In a criminal or civil action or proceeding as to a communication relevant to an issue concerning the physical, mental or emotional condition of or injury to a child, or concerning the welfare of a child including, but not limited to the abuse, abandonment or neglect of a child. (2) Criminal action. In a criminal action or proceeding in which one spouse is charged with a crime against the person or property of (A) the other spouse, (B) a person residing in the household of either spouse, or (C) a third person committed in the course of committing a crime against the other spouse or a person residing in the household of either spouse.

Evelyn Yallen

With Lori's clear pattern of vengeance on men in her life, I wonder whether Chad's decision to blame her may result in her testifying against him through sheer fury. The question is though... who would tell her?

Apples

I’m sorry Ronald! I’ll work to be better

Lauren and John Matthias

I have always felt that Chad has a rich fantasy live but is a sluggish weasel. So he would dance around the edges of adultery or making a cult- and fantasise about world domination, priestly goddess multiple wives and killing off anyone who saw through his rubbish. I think what changed is that Lori came along and she’s all about action. She’s always on the move - getting things done with the help of anyone she could manipulate to assist her. So Chads all “Tammy is going to die in a car accident one day “ and “Charles is a demon “ And Lori is “right - let’s get this show on the road” I’m really not sure Chad would have ever murdered anyone without Lori and Alex being there. However I fully believe most of the ideas were his- he just didn’t know he had fallen for an highly motivated apocalyptic murder wedding planner.

Tad Auty

Hi from Australia ! Interesting idea if Nate gets an interview with Lori. He thought it was crazy speaking to Melanie Gibb . Lori would be a whole other level!

Tad Auty

Lauren explained the misunderstand today and her utmost respect for the court and judge. She had turned to put her phone down before standing (as they’ve been told to not stand with their phones ) but from the judges view it appeared that she actually turned her back to the court instead of standing - she clearly acknowledged how it would have appeared to the judge and she left when asked. But was also welcome to return and she’s using a different bag so she can put her phone down without that happening again. She’s very sorry.

Tad Auty

Lauren was kicked out of the Courtroom of the Chad Daybell Trial for failing to rise for the jury. The bailiff told her she could return tomorrow. Lauren, you showed disrespect for the jury and Judge and you need to behave yourself.

Ronald Helm

Spouses can't be forced to testify against each other

Zefora

Watching recording

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

Hi Lauren and John!

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

New patreon here. Lauren and dr. Johm you are absolutely the best. You cover all the aspects of this case, but also of other cases. I'm afraid I will never be able to join these lives as I am 8 hours ahead of Idaho at least, and I am an early bird. Hovewer, I am happy to support you here and on youtube. Back to the case. I was thinking of Lori. I believe that her speech was just an act. Being narcissistic, she couldn't stand people judging her and thinking she is a monster, so she rather put up the appearance of a devout mormon woman (keep sweet) with obvious mental health issues and perhaps delving into fringe beliefs. However, I believe it is possible that after Chad's trial she 'gets back to her senses' and pretends to be shocked and appalled at what happened. Nate made me reflect as he's already hinted twice at a possible interview with her. Btw are we ever going to see a panel with you and Nate? Much love from Croatia.

Gordana Ivanisevic Nincevic

Watching this late cause I’m on vacation in France! So hooked on this case that I am spending my free time watching the trial and your videos. I think Chad is not exactly a con man. I think he built this fantasy world to be special, something he has always wanted to be. And it got out of control. At some point there was no going back. To keep being so damn special he had to keep taking it further and further. And I do think he thought that no one was going to question the deaths. No one in Rexburg knew the kids and he had laid the groundwork for Tammy’s death. He probably felt pretty invincible by the time he got this far and he might even have liked deciding who lives and dies. What I absolutely do not believe is that he believes the incredible bullshit about the light and dark scale and zombies. If he truly believed it, he would be defending it proudly. I mean, he’s right up there with the holy trinity.

Jennine Jones

I'm so sorry I missed this first live here. It's usually to late here in Scotland when you go live. Hopefully I will catch one, one day soon. I loved seeing the more relaxed side of Lauren and Dr. John and not just the more professional side. I like getting to know you both as people and seeing more of your personalities. Your little boy is so cute and handsome. My question would be if Dr John could get to assess either Lori or Chad, which one would he pick and why? I'm sorry to here about your bother. My partner has a neurological condition called FND that I think Dr.John might know a bit about but it has changed their life alot to the point they are now in a wheelchair and unable to feel below their waist etc. so I can understand how life changing and altering TBI/ Neurological conditions can be. Send you both love 💕

Samantha Hughes

I doubt it. Suggestions of organized Satanism is more about (from what I understand) embracing a personal morality, annoying Christians, and keeping the separation of church and state.

Heidi

How was it?

Heidi

I kind of feel like, in the end, Chad had to “put his money where his mouth is.” I think he created this elaborate philosophy, that he sold to all these people, who ended up believing it. It’s one thing to talk about things and live in a land of fantasy, it’s another for someone to believe your bs and ACT on it. Where was he supposed to go after that? “Just kidding Lori, I know you killed your husband and your kids but I made all this crap up.” That doesn’t fly. I think in the end, he was backed into a corner - that he created himself - and felt like he had no other choice but to kill Tammy. I don’t think his ego (or pride) would allow him to fess up to all of his minions that he was a fraud and a charlatan.

Brandy Coullier

I agree. It sounded like he was reading it to me. But trying to give an accurate timeline, I could see where you would want to be careful of getting it right.

Valorie Dodart

Kindle?! Dr. John, I’m clutching my pearls.

Heidi

Tylee's aunt, Joe Ryan's sister has been very loud and has attempted to be a voice for her - A Murderous Heart on YouTube - all about this case.

Denise Walsh

Question…. If Lori is such a seductress and if she “framed” Chad, why is Chad still married to her? If this had happened to me, the FIRST thing I’d do is file for divorce. The fact that she’s still his wife speaks against the narrative Pryor is trying to sell.

Brandy Coullier

I'm watching this after it ended, but I just wanted to say that I agree with John. I felt that Rob did a decent job on his opening, but it definitely fell flat. I think this trial deserved a much more passionate and powerful opening. I also felt that so much was left out of Ray Hermosillo's testimony.

Anne Rice

Both links state the video is restricted so I haven't been able to watch either? What's up?

Cindy G yurts and things

Would the whole group be sociopathic? What is the actual psychological hook? Your comment that Melanie Gibb said Tylee deserved it is shocking. I did't see her like that. Did they all know the kids were to be killed?

siouxie q

??? Jon and Lauren, I know this is already over, but on the issue of Chad’s children testifying, don’t you think it’s possible that Chad has convinced them that Tammy’s cause of death was simply “God” and not asphyxiation? Lori’s defense lawyers really worked to establish that asphyxiation is simply what coroners land on when they cannot find any other specific cause of death, but there is actually no real test to prove asphyxiation. So I think the children probably believe that their father couldn’t have smothered her, but rather that God just knew it was her time to go and took her. to me, this fits with their religious beliefs and saves them from facing that their father is a murderer and spares them from really perjuring themselves. They can testify (per Priors urging) that Tammy may have shown some signs of some illness, (don’t we all over the course of a month or two), believing That the the public and the jury don’t have the faith to understand that God can simply take people so that others can get on with their missions. I think that is what they think happened. Maybe this is something you could speak to in an upcoming podcast.

Lynette Butler

I think he was enjoying being idolized by a beautiful woman that was paying his expenses (out of Charles paycheck !) So much he just wouldn't let himself think this is real real children die he was on a high living in the moment .

Lisa Spears

They have to be perjuring themselves and it's disgusting using his kids like that, maybe ask them on the stand how they feel about his beliefs .

Lisa Spears

I really enjoy this format!

Annee

Such a sweet boy

Gail

Chad guilty

Gail

@raelynn thank you for sharing.! I also had a brain injury 8 years ago and I am still recovering, thanks to the wonder of neuroplasticity. Never lose hope, Lauren❤️. The soul is still there! Praying for your brother 🙏

MissMaryMary, MD

So close to your 144K!!

Data Lisa

I don't know

Gail

I'm so sorry! I didn't realize I was going to actually talk! Thank you for the off topic conversation. I appreciate your patience. And you are right the accidental cult leader. And this is why I love the both of your meaningful crafted telling. Not exactly the words I'm looking for.

Maria David MAD

Not sure how to ask a question. Do I put it here?

NoniLady

this will bring you into the live chat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05h0aWzrSEA on youtube.

coffee and conversation

good question...

ivonna.tinkle

I got knocked out somehow 🤷‍♀️

Drkatiedds

I've heard a suggestion on another utube channel that Satanism might be involved because the death dates and marriage date are on or very close to significant dates on the Satanic calendar. Thoughts?

Deb

yea it's live... took me a bit to figure out how to be in the chat. Click on the photo and then click share and copy and paste the link and you will be in the live.

coffee and conversation

Are we chatting in the right place?

Kimm Baker

This is pretty cool to see people in person.

ivonna.tinkle

Me too. LMK if you figure it out please 🙃

MissMaryMary, MD

And I think that

Eileen

Is this live. I’m confused

NoniLady

I think I made it

NoniLady

Yeah its fun meeting everyone, feels like we are having a little lunch or dinner date and talking!

Yery

I’m happy that you made it home for the weekend @lauren!

ivonna.tinkle

That’s it Dr J! We know that rob W has much more passion about this case than he demonstrated in his opening!

MissMaryMary, MD

Not too hard. Like you said, the bar is high!

Claudette

I am glad Robert did the powerpoint, helps people like me who might struggle with staying focus and are very visual but I also think Prior had a strong opening as well.

Yery

Thank you Dr. John …I thought it lacked passion.

Eileen

There is so much undeniable hard evidence coming for the jury soon.

north wildlings

I liked it - I thought he put everything in context.

Cathy Burns

Ahh kid B!

ivonna.tinkle

❓❓I find it interesting how polar opposite Lori and Tammy were from what we know. Did Chad really start killing when he met Lori? From what I recall Lori had her brother administering justice/acting as her protector prior to meeting Chad.❓❓

Yery

Hi everyone! ❤️

Colleen Canning

I know we were joking about Julie Rowe being called as a witness, but man wouldn't that be great!? I would LAY DOWN on the floor! 🤣🤣🤣

Gleanne Marie

Wouldn't he have to believe to allow people to die though???

Kimm Baker

Am I in the right place or do I need Streamyard?

Ruth Claessens

Just joined.

Ruth Claessens

Thank you so much for answering this! I appreciate it.

Yery

??? How will the prosecution handle the kids? Will they get kind of harsh with them? Won't they have to come down hard on the kids????

Tricia Griffith

I'm not diagnosing but sociopathic narcissists think they can get away with anything.. smartest person in the room syndrome

soma azul

Not yet. They are coming.

Terrie

No idea how to leave comments

Gail

Hello delusional

north wildlings

Has this started?

NoniLady

So they all have delusional disorder or just Lori?

north wildlings

Loving all the content you guys create. Thanks for all you do!!

Wendy Sanders

How do we come on live!?

Becky (Rebecca Randall)

Yes. The poor kids have been groomed to believe untrue things since birth

north wildlings

Did the medical examiner have anything to say about Tammy's health?

Cask

Is it just me or do the Daybell kids seem very sheltered, almost immature?

Gleanne Marie

https://streamyard.com/ydh7kdwjqj

Lauren and John Matthias

Emma has the same flat affect and monotone as Chad.....I'm betting that she would say anything.....but I so hope all of them don't believe him.

Linda Kellams

*shows

Kimm Baker

Yes John, I am having a hard time too thinking of the kids failing to protect their mother and not demand justice for her.

elizabeth earnshaw

I hope none of his kids become "dark"

Denise Fitzgerald

Shoes his influence for sure!😠

Kimm Baker

Don't forget the cult dimension. Chad's kids are probably the top cult members.

Sherry Agee

I just went back and they are trying to link with in few minutes.

Terrie

I'm guessing his kids are part of the 144k?

Denise Fitzgerald

❓❓I've wondered just how interested the jurors have appeared when each side speaks.❓❓ Also curious to see who else Chad has for his defense.

Yery

So sad.

north wildlings

Lauren had said they are very attentive to both sides. Really watching lawyers for questions and then watching witness for answers.

Terrie

I teach online, so I will forever be patient with someone who struggle with tech. lol

Elizabeth Nesbitt

Hi

Gail

How do you both balance work and everything else

Maria David MAD

Sorry for missing the Patreon live. My little guy had made a mini movie that I promised I would watch tonight. I’ll catch it next time!

Katie Marlowe

join us here https://streamyard.com/ydh7kdwjqj

Lauren and John Matthias

Is it on yet?

Sara Michener

Hello everyone.

elizabeth earnshaw

yes!!

Cindy Ginter

Wait, what?

Yery

Hey long time no see🥂

Mc Spunky

Sure

north wildlings

Don't forget that the most damning evidence is Chad's and Lori's many text messages talking about wanting to get rid of all the obstacles in their path. And even if he is a love sotted moron it doesn't justify murder.

Cathy Burns

So cute...his little voice

Cindy Ginter

I'm here

Maria David MAD

Hey I made it. Love you guys.

Tricia Griffith

Hi everyone

Cindy Ginter

Yay!

AKA The Cat Lady

Question for John: does he think Lori's increase in religiosity is inversley proportional to her age and beauty? Doesn't it seem like as her power in beauty was fading she shifted to power in the spiritual/ideological realm?

Matt B

Hello everyone!

Jamie Ferreira

I agree with you. I just joined this platform.

Terrie

Great live conversation on the tube

Cindy Ginter

We are grateful for your coverage, Lauren. I know how tough it is to be away from your fellas.

Gleanne Marie

Glad a became a hidden gem just in time for the first patreon live!!

Wendy Sanders

Yes

Terrie

They are just ending other stream. I hopped over to here

Terrie

Coming straight from the live, I've wondered just how interested the jurors have appeared when each side speaks.

Yery

Hello all. They are coming very soon. It’s good to be here with you all!

Terrie

Got it, on the other live right now!

Cindy Ginter

Totally agree on the upgrade Dr. Babe 😂 Best thing about your content?! The jokes. You need to laugh with the seriously sad material.

Drkatiedds

Yes, there are two lives. Lauren will do a Patreon only live right here after the live stream with Dr. John.

Katrina Krueger

Hi from France congratulations.

Margaret Glaser

Yes!

Katrina Krueger

If I’m seeing this does that mean I’ve already joined Patron for Hidden True Crimee?

NoniLady

I willl be there too, but also on the you tube channel where everyone is waiting. Are you having two lives tonight??

Cindy Ginter

Hey do you guys know your other stream was set to start 30 mins ago?

Jess Vickery

I will be there

Jess Vickery

Yayyy!

Isabel Hendrix


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