Hidden True Crime from patreon PATREON-ONLY: Lauren explains why she panicked during their last YT live discussing Sarah Boone's Sentencing

Dr. John… Who's afraid of Virginia Woolf? has not fallen out of favor! Americans reading plays has fallen out of favor! Get it right! 😉 And why don't you make it your next book club focus?

playwrought

2025-01-29 12:06:05 +0000 UTC

John you often bring literature into your analysis, In the case of Luigi I see (possibly) the song "John Brown's Body," Why? Because Brown's violent and ethically questionable acts had a role in the ending of slavery. John Brown was a hot mess! I visited Harper's Ferry last year, and it still haunts me.Yes Luigi committed murder--YES. However that doesn't prevent the murder from being useful. Unfortunately violence does sometimes "work." I also sang "Glory" this year from the movie "Selma." We need a MLK for insurace and health care.

Barbara Roberts

2024-12-14 15:03:33 +0000 UTC

You should not have to apologize for exercising a second language (or 3rd, 4th, etc.)!

HL

2024-12-12 18:17:49 +0000 UTC

I didn't even notice John said that that's so funny 😂 but it might be do to my profession as a social worker; it's just normal to think ahead like that and to see the next step for a person who offends. I know that Sara Boone probably will stay in jail for the rest of her life, but still. My mind works like Dr. Johns I think. And also, in Denmark (Europe) Sara would have gotten 7-8 years in prison and we're used to thinking about recidivism with all offenders. We have very few people who stays in prison for life. (Also, sorry, english isn't my first language 😬)

Ditte Christiansen

2024-12-10 16:33:08 +0000 UTC

So, John, my free advice is to introduce such a statement by saying, “I’m speaking professionally now, based on the parameters required in my line of work.” Then everyone would know it’s all chill. Kinda like starting a disaster story with “First let me say that everyone is fine…”

HL

2024-12-10 14:56:22 +0000 UTC

I have a relative with a savior complex, but as far as I can tell, my relative is nothing like SB. I’m sure there are different reasons for the development of a savior complex, and the one(s) I know are definitely not addicts. One seems to be completely silent about it, but anyone looking at their relationship would think that’s the only reason they would be together. The other seems to use it for conversation fodder and it appears needs to feel like the most functional person in the room. I would like to know what Dr. J would/could say about SB’s possible adverse childhood experiences.

HL

2024-12-10 14:46:12 +0000 UTC

yes! :)

Lauren and John Matthias

2024-12-08 20:00:34 +0000 UTC

The DARK 🖤 heart is the like ❤️ on this app, right? sorry. Newb here! 😅

1footout

2024-12-08 02:51:10 +0000 UTC

Poor Dr John!!!! She is a horrible human being but I feel Sara is right where she belongs and she got the sentence she got because she has NEVER ACCEPTED RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE M. She can’t even accept she was alcoholic.

Cathy Rodolosi

2024-12-07 13:02:44 +0000 UTC

This is such a great episode, thank you for explaining the analysis of recidivism AND for the behind the scenes about your business. 🩷

Kristen Michelle

2024-12-07 05:22:16 +0000 UTC

Lauren, TY for your truly sweet words💕!!! I totally dorked out & showed my teens🤭. It means a lot to me 🤝! I'm on X @kittyc313 & will help rt & promote you & Dr John when you post. I do so with & for our other caster friends😉 as well. I really do feel SO lucky to have found you both. Like many true crime fans, my past is not very pretty, but I did't turn out to be an abuser or a criminal & am really invested in seeing justice done. Guilty should be found guilty & I always 🙏🏼 the innocents go free. I'm a fighter & I'm trying to be a good mom to my 2 kids & trying to be a good person who I can look at in the mirror daily. PTSD is God awful, but life is what it is & my son has it far harder with Aspergers. The world is a crazy intense place right now that as a GenX I don't always get, but if we stick together & try to do right, I hope we all get the best outcomes we're able. Find me on X. Much appreciation & anticipation for our journeys together💜🤗 ~ Kristen S 💎 💓 @kityc313 on X

Kristen S

2024-12-06 03:27:37 +0000 UTC

These are historically two very imperfect victims.

Mary Hatchet

2024-12-06 00:02:51 +0000 UTC

As an actuary, I never thought I'd hear the word actuarial on a True Crime podcast lol.

HBgirl

2024-12-05 23:56:19 +0000 UTC

I’m laughing because I just told my husband “I would be catching the tomatoes. 🍅” He said “Let’s get our gloves. 🧤” 🤣🤣🤣 FYI - My husband didn’t have to translate Dr. John for me today! Yay! 😀

Mama T

2024-12-05 23:38:35 +0000 UTC

ETA Please please please watch the rebuttal, especially the end of day 5 and beginning of day 6. There are more videos of Sarah’s sadism. And when Jorge would leave her she would send him pictures of his birth certificate being torn up to get him to come back, and would then call the police when he showed up. I don’t think this was just a dysfunctional relationship with two abusive people. Jorge has no criminal history before Sarah and no claims of physical abuse from past partners. Sarah did! // As a person who has suffered under the “love” of a narcissistic abuser, so much about Sarah Boone’s speech patterns remind me of my abuser. The grandiosity, cruelty, the unreliable narration of history, framing themselves as a martyr… it all makes my “danger!” sensors go off. I see her continuing to prey on vulnerable people to “help,” in the jail and online, and I believe she will continue her abusive ways. If she were released, would she likely kill someone again? Maybe not, and maybe that’s why you consider her low risk. I think she’d wreak havoc, but maybe not kill (unless it was a drunk driving accident, we know she drove drunk a lot and Jorge would try to take her keys). I think what bothers me most is people calling her a victim. I believe people do this because she was the woman, and when when it’s recognized that Jorge was the one terrorized and killed, people still assume it went both ways. I really, really challenge you to watch the videos produced during the rebuttal phase (specifically the last hour or so of the court day on day 5, the lady 3-4 videos). Honestly… I do think Sarah is dangerous in part because she doesn’t see herself or her actions clearly. She kept saying she “kindly” and “humbly” spoke, when you see the video and she will have been screaming. I think she’s a bit… delusional maybe. But I could see her hurting someone again.

Hayley Keaton

2024-12-05 22:49:01 +0000 UTC

Yes! Me too! I started to ALMOST second guess myself but then the prosecution dropped the mic. Justice for Torres.

Spring20

2024-12-05 21:41:41 +0000 UTC

I LOVE everything about this post and I’m sooo in for a HTC pool party.

Spring20

2024-12-05 21:40:04 +0000 UTC

He TOTALLY did! I loved him and Judge Boyce!

Spring20

2024-12-05 21:37:19 +0000 UTC

‘Tomatoes retracted’ you’re so adorable Lauren ! Tbh I noticed Lauren was upset on YT but I couldn’t determine what it was. I do think this case is complicated but Sarah is where she should be. She’s so full of herself she couldn’t even think of her son and take the plea deal. She is a Narcissist capital N !!!

NinaLiza

2024-12-05 20:08:37 +0000 UTC

I can’t help but feel sorry for her because her narcissism outweighs any logical reasoning She’s ultimately her own worst enemy She is a perfect example of how destructive these disordered thinking people truly are It’s really sad And im so sad for her son What a horrible waste

Vala Hauksdóttir

2024-12-05 17:32:58 +0000 UTC

I was really getting nervous until the the 2nd part of closing was presented. I could easily have been convinced that it was 1st Degree.

Emily Flotilla

2024-12-05 16:55:56 +0000 UTC

And he did it with class. 💥

Emily Flotilla

2024-12-05 16:52:45 +0000 UTC

How frightening!

Emily Flotilla

2024-12-05 16:51:16 +0000 UTC

Maybe a wee meet and greet at CrimeCon in Denver?

Emily Flotilla

2024-12-05 16:49:53 +0000 UTC

💯

Emily Flotilla

2024-12-05 16:47:03 +0000 UTC

She inserted risk of recidivism at sentencing when she had Lana make a statement on her behalf. She was flippantly toying with another human’s mortality to parade as if she’s a good person, appear as if she’s falling victim to the legal system, and trying to make society responsible for Lana’s eventual passing because society doomed her to an unfair outcome

Kimberly Fine

2024-12-05 16:21:36 +0000 UTC

I never thought John was saying anything wrong with Sarah Boone. Abusive relationships are so complex and its usually over a long period of time where it just escalates. I am never surprised that it ends tragically. Thanks Lauren & John

Maria Albanese

2024-12-05 14:27:19 +0000 UTC

Thank you for sharing Tad. 💕

Lauren and John Matthias

2024-12-05 14:09:49 +0000 UTC

This is hilarious and wonderful. Tell Cameron I admire him and if we can get our stuff together, maybe we’ll have that pool party this coming spring! We haven’t given up on the idea! We just got busy

Lauren and John Matthias

2024-12-05 14:07:05 +0000 UTC

Thank you for always having integrity. This is Lauren but I will make sure John sees this when he wakes. Thank you!

Lauren and John Matthias

2024-12-05 14:03:22 +0000 UTC

Kristen, this comment means so much! It’s 6am here and john and I will be discussing it later when he’s up. Thank you for your support and warmth, I agree—Richard Allen was trying to unload his guilt—unlike Sarah Boone. Richard did exactly what we’re all angry Sarah refused to do. So many didn’t want to listen.

Lauren and John Matthias

2024-12-05 13:56:22 +0000 UTC

Criminals with a Savior complex would be an interesting episode

Lauren and John Matthias

2024-12-05 13:50:44 +0000 UTC

Thank you so much for explained it, Dr. John. I probably was the one who threw tomatoes on YouTube,lol. I watched Sarah Boone's full trial and was so mad and shocked seeing all the footages (which Sarah herself recorded). The amount of mental and physical abuses Jorge had experienced in these videos were so so sad. He was treated worse than a kettle. I think Sarah looked at Jorge as a 'project' , like how she stated about broken art in the sentencing. I personally think Sarah has a savior complex. That's why she couldn't stop mention about her two disable pets. It's also explained why she manipulated that witness who needs kidney transplant. For her Jorge with his alcohol addiction was one of her project to testify she as a saint. She looks at herself as a saint, a mother Threresa. It will be interesting to dig more into her history. I think we didn't heard much about criminals with savior complex thing ( I don't know what is the professional term for this personality). I wish Dr. John can enlighten us! Thank you again 😊

Lenny Wen

2024-12-05 10:51:24 +0000 UTC

Hi Sarah I agree with you💯 . I have an ongoing list of book recommends and quotes from Dr. John. 📚

Terrie

2024-12-05 08:14:15 +0000 UTC

Hi Mara I do agree with you.

Terrie

2024-12-05 08:03:03 +0000 UTC

🫳🎤 Justice 4 Jorge ⚖️

Terrie

2024-12-05 07:58:45 +0000 UTC

I am so glad he did. She is so odd. It’s like she is writing a fictional novel with over descriptive narrative. Like she is not responsible nor can she see any imperfections within herself. She must have control and attention. Life… yes this is good.

Terrie

2024-12-05 07:52:42 +0000 UTC

I think the two of them were alcoholics that were a bomb ready to explode. Just listening to people talk about Jorge and Sarah made me think about the complexity of human beings. The good, the bad, and the very ugly in this case. I understand John’s statement. Sarah’s speech just made it hard to stomach. Haha

Trucrimegirl

2024-12-05 05:41:00 +0000 UTC

I found u both, thanking u & my lucky stars & instincts, because my go to trusted caster was just backward here & I couldn't deal with that. I wanted the facts & the truth & you gave us that every day, Lauren❣️ Thank you SO very much!! I would have been fine with u giving some of your own thoughts & takes during the trial long before you did, Lauren. I think that some never got past Gull trying to breach RA's 26th Amendment, which upset me too & was rectified. They got too entrenched & then were team Defense & not Abby or Libby & it led them to believe the insane 3rd party defense that rightly wasn't allowed. They got too close & then felt solidarity with the defense team then RA & facts went out the window. It was so disconcerting to me as a really big fan & sub & member. When you mentioned the 'post-it', I knew immediately & it bugged me a lot as part of the judicial process. I actually tweeted to a caster that I felt their "fingerprints" all over that Defense Closing. I wasn't corrected. I wrote again when RA's innocence came up in a cast on another case & said I hoped that cases would be separate going fwrd. I also wrote that we'll never agree on this case. Trust I believe that some casters are helping with the Appeal, imo. Just nuts, but they're allowed their opinion though I couldn't disagree with that more. RA was actually trying to confess, unload his guilt & to apologize & do the right thing, unlike Sarah Boone, but family, lawyers & others wouldn't let him, so he went to trial & there will be an Appeal. I 💯% believe that the truth came out, it made sense & Abby & Libby's families got justice for their precious girls 💙😇💜😇🙏🏼 Lauren & Dr John your work is greatly valued, appreciated & truly NEEDED in true crime community, TY🤝👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼🥰 I am enjoying watching cases & trial coverage with you both. You two add such a complete picture with extra depth that's truly amazing!! Ok re: Sarah Boone at the end when Dr John said he thought Sarah Boone was a low risk for reoffending, I was yelling at the tv😂. Dr John said hubris & I'd been using arrogance in my live trial comments. Pretty much the same. I love your coverage & am now a devoted fan, Hidden Gem on YouTube & on Patreon & have even ordered merch to help promote your channels while I'm out & about😊 & will wear with pride. Sorry Lauren, Dr John & fellow Gems for the length of this comment, but I wanted you to know I'm really getting IT, hate that ppl railed on you regarding RA & want to thank you for being who the 2 of you are & for all that you bring to the table for us on true crime. You're both so damned smart, kind, truthful & wonderful👍🏼👍🏼 My Very Best 💕ঞ🤝💪💪👋!! ~ Kristen S 💎

Kristen S

2024-12-05 05:12:03 +0000 UTC

BTW, I also understood what Dr. John was saying when you did your show on Sarah Boone’s sentencing. I appreciate your integrity, both of you, and always give you the benefit of the doubt. I love how carefully John speaks, and how often he says that he can’t diagnose someone he hasn’t evaluated, and those kinds of qualifiers. And tonight, on this live, when you were talking about integrity in your profession, that resonated with me—first, because that’s what I believe; second, that’s what I absolutely expected to be the way you operate; third, that is how I have tried to always conduct myself in my business and professional life. When speaking with a prospective client, I am clear that we won’t break or bend the law for anyone, but also we are going to do what we believe is the morally right thing to do in any situation where there’s a question. We’re in rentals and property management and my brother is my business partner now. So we get property owners who still want to discriminate on the basis of race and other factors that are protected by law. But we also treat people fairly because it’s the right thing to do. Very interestingly to me, this hasn’t hurt our business. In fact, almost every one of these clients either signs a contract at that time or calls the next day. Again, a long comment to say that I appreciate your integrity and the care you use when you choose your words. Lauren, I appreciate many things about you as well—it just feels like John was the one under fire tonight, so that led my thoughts here.

Lisa Fowler

2024-12-05 04:39:02 +0000 UTC

I love your banter! Just cute. So cute. ☺️

CB1

2024-12-05 04:31:59 +0000 UTC

I feel like I have always understood that Dr. John’s process includes reflection, and he’s not ready until he’s ready. My husband and I have worked together in the past, and I get what you’re saying. Even though we collaborate really well together, I understand the push-pull. I also comment to my husband that I feel we have seen a shift in Dr. John since I first started listening to the Vallow-Daybell podcast. It seemed to me that he was very uncomfortable being on camera, as opposed to voice recording only. I remember a comment you made, Dr. John, that you were committed to what you were doing on Hidden True Crime, and you wanted to support Lauren and the channel. I feel like you really pushed outside your comfort zone to be on camera, and maybe ironically, as you have continued along with your unique coverage of these crimes, your subscribers have more and more become fans. I see a lot of “I miss Dr. John,” “Can’t wait to get his take on this,” etc. I love the way you both support each other and respect each other, and I love that Dr. John has a fan club (myself included). And I love the community—many very smart, kind people. When you were talking about having a pool party at the Bellagio if you got to 144,000 subs, I told my husband that I thought we should go, if it actually happened. This is extremely out of character for both of us, and he did look surprised. I also said that I thought Dr. John seemed about as excited to be in a swimsuit in a semi-public setting as I was. Cameron, my husband, said, “You like this guy, right? He’s one of the good ones?” I said “He is indeed, and I do like him.” Cameron: “Okay. I will wear a swimsuit and go stand by him and take my shirt off. When everyone sees the sun reflecting off my white, middle-aged belly, they won’t even notice him.” I hope you’re not offended by this. It was hilarious to me, because Cameron really can’t “do” true crime. He is absolutely gutted by any harm to a child, especially. So I don’t talk to him about those aspects, but I do sometimes share Dr. John’s literary comparisons, or talk about your friendships with Larry and Kay, and Colby, all of whom have completely captured my heart, and other details that aren’t directly about the crimes. So… all that to say that I feel like I get the husband-wife thing.

Lisa Fowler

2024-12-05 04:24:21 +0000 UTC

Dude is pushing that envelope on VW 😂

bk smith

2024-12-05 03:53:31 +0000 UTC

We have lots here in Victoria too- they just wear more clothes down here lol

Tad Auty

2024-12-05 03:36:21 +0000 UTC

I just love that Two bogans fighting. We have lots and lots of bogans in Queensland and a few other places. 👍🇦🇺

Elizabeth Campbell

2024-12-05 03:35:10 +0000 UTC

So what I’m hearing is that the instruments used to assess risk of reoffending are inadequate because what is being assessed is limited in such a way that mimics the inherent bias baked in to the criminal justice system. It seems pretty obvious based on how high recidivism rates are in the U.S. that those “risk assessments” are not very reliable. I want to know how those instruments are validated - how often does predicted risk correspond with actual behavior? Data suggests those assessments have about a 60% accuracy rate when administered by a human and slightly higher predictive validity if using actuarial assessment. That is not good. The BJS reports up to 50% of intimate partner homicide perpetrators have been arrested for a previous violent crime. (Note I said arrested not convicted.) So it was disconcerting to hear Dr. John say he can only take convictions into account.

Layhoo

2024-12-05 02:02:54 +0000 UTC

I have invented a technical term for that Virginia wolf style DV. “Two bogans fighting” Sometimes there is one submissive partner who does what they’re told by the abuser- Mostly male perps but also female- But so many people assume there is always one bad and one good. Not true. Sometimes bad people find each other- But no one deserves to be murdered. I did what I was told when I was with a violent man- and as John mentioned regarding if he got out of the case? I wouod absolutely be dead if I had put my husband in a suitcase. (Then let him out) But he only tried to kill me a few times and I didn’t fight back. His girlfriend after me? Dead He told people he was going to admit himself to psych institution so he could get away with killing me However he met a girl in there who was in for being angry borderline personality. So they met and fell in love- Moved in together days later and she was dead in about 3 weeks And obviously she didn’t do what he told her. She died in a “house fire “ 3 days after police were called to domestic there. And as John mentioned- my husband had NO record So eventhough I was granted a life time AVO he has no charges - with regards to me or that girl who died. She of course may have died accidentally - with her fries frying - and a damaged skull- However I don’t think so. Nor do the police. But they did say “we don’t want to put you at risk - making you a witness- do you think maybe you’re safer now? Could he get away with this twice ? But that girl was from a crappy dysfunctional family- one of her kids had been removed (one they returned after I said my kids weren’t safe with him ) So none of her family or friends or anyone has cared to push for further investigation. My point? Unfortunately there are many violence people and child sx offenders- have NO record at all or apparent history.

Tad Auty

2024-12-05 01:19:50 +0000 UTC

Thanks for the clarification on John’s assessment. I really needed to hear his job description and objectives when making his determination. I’ve been listening a long time but had forgotten exactly what goes into Dr. John’s analysis. Appreciate you guys. Happy holidays.

Tammy Tencza

2024-12-05 01:09:39 +0000 UTC

I finished watching last nights Websleuths and couldn’t help but think of all these cases including Sarah Boone! These people who murder others that they supposedly love with such hate get me. Call me crazy but love isn’t murdering them. Children also. Sarah Boone says she is going to see Jorge at the gates of heaven? She quotes Bible verse. Vallow/Daybell think they are god and goddesses. These people forget the commandment, thou shall not kill. These are the monsters not the victims.

Kay Louise

2024-12-05 00:53:33 +0000 UTC

I disagree in that what happens if she’s a drinker and therefore attracts another drinker and the same thing happens again. If she had gotten out I would hope any guy would be cautious to date her. No one knows for sure without testing, like you all said but her sentencing speech gave me the creeps.

Kathleen Caroline

2024-12-05 00:23:35 +0000 UTC

Yes!!! You articulated this so well! I wrote three comments and couldn’t get my thoughts straight!

Spring20

2024-12-05 00:10:55 +0000 UTC

And apparently Judge Kraynick didn’t need any of the information because he threw the book at her! ❤️

Spring20

2024-12-05 00:06:55 +0000 UTC

That is so frustrating the bias in the criminal justice system I find that interesting the Dr that testified for defense didn’t do the testing. I really appreciate this breakdown as a true crime fanatic. Thank you!!!

Spring20

2024-12-05 00:05:00 +0000 UTC

I don't think she deserves a life sentence. 25 years max. Tomatoes are great... Need to add that DOC did a psych report and we were not privy to the results. There could be a good reason for the life sentence

Carla Perkins

2024-12-05 00:02:55 +0000 UTC

Bwahahahahaha! She IS a horrible human being! You guys are the best and we totally understand because John hasn’t seen the trial and coverage but is looking at her in a professional way. So so appreciative you both and your integrity and insight! Thank you for breaking this down! ❤️

Spring20

2024-12-04 23:57:54 +0000 UTC

Thank you guys! As always, stellar!

JuJu Beane

2024-12-04 23:40:21 +0000 UTC

It was such an intense case!!

Julie Holden

2024-12-04 23:38:05 +0000 UTC

This is Sarah Boone sober, can you imagine her on alcohol. Just Awful!

Young

2024-12-04 23:32:57 +0000 UTC

Pp pop

Heidi Chapman

2024-12-04 23:31:17 +0000 UTC

Sarah doesn’t take any responsibility for what she did or her part in the toxic relationship. She blames everyone except herself. I think that definitely increases her risk.. Thanks for the insight into assessing criminals risk! Always fascinating!

Chelsea Gervan

2024-12-04 23:28:27 +0000 UTC

Amen to that.

Lizzy

2024-12-04 23:15:32 +0000 UTC

Let’s face it she talked about and treated her dogs better than Jorge. Her ex husband seems like he had more to do with the Son. She kind of flaked on picking him up etc..

Kay Louise

2024-12-04 23:13:39 +0000 UTC

I agree 💯, Julie. Whew! Thanks for saying it all so I didn't have to. :)

bk smith

2024-12-04 23:13:05 +0000 UTC

Absolutely! He worried about her. I think abuse goes both ways. There are men who are abused. She was the dominant and she treated him like a child and charity case!

Kay Louise

2024-12-04 23:09:58 +0000 UTC

Exactly, if she really didn’t mean to murder him, accept the deal. She just couldn’t, that is what makes her “that kind of crazy”! She is her own worse enemy!

Kay Louise

2024-12-04 23:06:03 +0000 UTC

No tomatoes!

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

2024-12-04 23:03:49 +0000 UTC

I have read the book and seen the movie

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

2024-12-04 23:02:55 +0000 UTC

Great example "Whose afraid of Virgina Wolf"!

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

2024-12-04 22:58:15 +0000 UTC

The statement she read is all you need to know about that narcissist!! She can’t accept ANY fault. Come on Dr. John; I know you won’t say it because you haven’t had a one on one with her, but she screams narcissist.!! Her arrogance was so over the top. I loved how the judge had no words other than your sentence to LIFE. It was a mike-drop moment!

Kacy Cat Artist

2024-12-04 22:55:43 +0000 UTC

I would love your take on the verdict of another case of the ballerina that killed her husband (battered women case) and how these two were handled in the court)

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

2024-12-04 22:53:45 +0000 UTC

The two of you have a great rapport. Your talks around the kitchen table are golden! Clarifying the issue on Patreon makes it even better. So honored to be a Gem.

Robin Murray

2024-12-04 22:51:28 +0000 UTC

I so appreciate your expertise and explanation/take on this case.

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

2024-12-04 22:49:49 +0000 UTC

I agree with all of this — and when I was listening to the live stream, it didn't shock me at all when Dr. John said that Sarah Boone is low risk. I thought, "Well yeah — she's probably never going to zip somebody up in a suitcase again." I do think Jorge's death was a horrible accident AND I also think Sarah Boone got the correct sentence.

Julie Holden

2024-12-04 22:49:15 +0000 UTC

You two are so funny!

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

2024-12-04 22:47:01 +0000 UTC

You guys are hilarious I really enjoy listening to you

Deborrah Dutra

2024-12-04 22:46:32 +0000 UTC

I'm FAR from qualified to determine risk, but I had the thought that she could do major harm to her son! I feel uncomfortable saying that because I've never heard of any evidence that she was abusive to her son. But I represented parents with substance use disorders a long time ago and alcoholics were at a very high risk of being negligent or worse parents. Plus, her dominance over Jorge who as smaller than her made me think this as well. And that's not to say that just because she was bigger than him that he couldn't abuse her. I've seen little guys inflict abuse on female partners. But my point is, I think she's also an abuser who has learned absolutely nothing about anything! And she would abuse and physically harm (or worse) someone else in the future.

Maya Rodriguez Sorensen

2024-12-04 22:38:18 +0000 UTC

Considering she tried to choke her former husband more than once when she was drunk and mad, I think she has reoffending risk until she deals with whatever underlying issues she has. The evidence from her phone at trial shows that she had zero insight into how her behavior is abusive… I could easily see her in a future “not intentional” criminal situation

Mara S

2024-12-04 22:29:27 +0000 UTC

Well said

Lauren and John Matthias

2024-12-04 22:17:00 +0000 UTC

I trust you. Dr John!

Sally15Sally15

2024-12-04 22:04:39 +0000 UTC

Thank you Lauren and Dr.John you’re the best ❤️

Vala Hauksdóttir

2024-12-04 22:01:29 +0000 UTC

I respectfully disagree with the continued speculation that Jorge was abusive when there is evidence that she fabricated and contradicted herself many times in her stories of abuse. Also, we will never get to hear his side as she killed him so I feel it is unfair to believe her at face value and not give grace to him, the victim. I believed initially that their relationship may have been mutually abusive, more complex than we knew. After seeing Jorge cowering in fear in the body cam footage and her glee in punishing him by calling the police, making up lies on the spot, it made it clear that this likely wasn't the case. There are also text messages of her manipulating him, disparaging him when he tried to leave her. It was horrific. Whatever his faults were he didn't deserve this. I hope that for future cases there is more sensitivity when speculating on situations where there is a lack of knowledge of the case and when it applies to a victim that can no longer tell their story and also consideration for the victim's family. You do such a great job and I really believe in the work you do.

SeaUrchin

2024-12-04 21:53:18 +0000 UTC

This is why risk assessment is a different issue than punishment. I love Dr. John because he articulates it so well. This has to happen because most offenders will be in the community again, so we need to know who is higher risk than another and what we need to do to make sure offenders can be more successful and contribute to society. Otherwise it is a revolving door of generations of criminality.

Valorie Dodart

2024-12-04 21:52:00 +0000 UTC

I don’t sympathize with her actions but people are complicated and we like to boil people down to black white right wrong bad good and generally people can’t be boiled down to such simple elements

kim Johnson

2024-12-04 21:48:52 +0000 UTC

But victims think ahead about what will happen if….

kim Johnson

2024-12-04 21:46:46 +0000 UTC

Thanks so much!! I had similar questions.

Elizabeth Thompson

2024-12-04 21:39:02 +0000 UTC

Dr. John is getting more comfortable and his passion is showing! You both are great at what you do! Lauren is reporting the now! Dr. John has to dissect it and then analyze it and then use reference books and then maybe start to form an opinion! LOL!

Kay Louise

2024-12-04 21:37:35 +0000 UTC

I was worried after watching that Live. I almost posted a “hope you two are ok …” message since something seemed “off.” Thanks for explaining. Whew I’m glad I had no reason to be concerned. Now I get it.

Swannie

2024-12-04 21:36:13 +0000 UTC

It seems the prosecution felt she was "low risk" for murder or they wouldn't have offered her a deal. But she is so prideful and can't get out of her own way and now she has a life sentence, which seems appropriate since she can't take responsibility or feel empathy or remorse for her actions. Thank you Dr. John and Lauren for letting us in on your behind the scenes discussions!

Dawn Reazin

2024-12-04 21:36:11 +0000 UTC

I was thinking” she had a bat!”! Lauren you were not alone!

Sally15Sally15

2024-12-04 21:34:44 +0000 UTC

You two make me smile! Love your work

Marcella Able

2024-12-04 21:32:57 +0000 UTC

I feel like a lot of people don’t get that Dr John is basing his analysis on clinical things and not emotions or his opinion. No tomatoes from me, I get it lol.

Cassidy DeShazo

2024-12-04 21:32:51 +0000 UTC

Sarah tries to control people and situations and has anger. I think she is a time bomb. Mix in alcohol and it is worse. I think Jorge was pretty weak physically. He had health issues, drinking, by the time he went down the stairs and hit by the bat he was not a threat. He couldn’t breathe. She knew that. She went to far.

Kay Louise

2024-12-04 21:29:56 +0000 UTC

Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf is now on my Christmas list. I always learn so much listening to the both of you, thank you.

Sarah R

2024-12-04 21:29:23 +0000 UTC

Hello!

Lauren and John Matthias

2024-12-04 21:26:02 +0000 UTC

👋🏼

Lauren and John Matthias

2024-12-04 21:25:56 +0000 UTC

lol “I’m 29,” here’s how you do it Lauren. I personally don’t celebrate birthdays, those are for children. I celebrate the anniversary of my 25th birthday, every year with gifts and a big ole 25 on my cake! My husband just turned 34 and he was like man you’re gonna be 40 pretty soon. God bless him, that’s all I’m gonna say lol.

Rob

2024-12-04 21:20:51 +0000 UTC

Dr. John do you thinking she is an abuser? She said something about being a darling Mother? Did you catch that?

Kay Louise

2024-12-04 21:15:13 +0000 UTC

Hi Lauren and Dr. John!!

Nikki

2024-12-04 21:11:09 +0000 UTC

LOL! I was thinking he is way nicer than I am but she threw him down the staircase in the suitcase and hit him with the bat and left him to die in the suitcase. I think she is very angry and a control freak. Very manipulative to control. Very scary!

Kay Louise

2024-12-04 21:10:40 +0000 UTC

I can see how she could be classified as “low risk” for murder. However, after that statement she is definitely “high risk” for her to commit abuse on other people in her orbit. Glad life is life here in Florida, hope she enjoys her retirement at Lowell. I hear it’s absolutely miserable all times of the year.

Rob

2024-12-04 21:08:24 +0000 UTC

Hello Dr. John and Lauren!

Kay Louise

2024-12-04 21:07:12 +0000 UTC

Hello !

Polly Olson

2024-12-04 21:00:55 +0000 UTC

PATREON-ONLY: Lauren explains why she panicked during their last YT live discussing Sarah Boone's Sentencing

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Dr. John… Who's afraid of Virginia Woolf? has not fallen out of favor! Americans reading plays has fallen out of favor! Get it right! 😉 And why don't you make it your next book club focus?

You should not have to apologize for exercising a second language (or 3rd, 4th, etc.)!

So, John, my free advice is to introduce such a statement by saying, “I’m speaking professionally now, based on the parameters required in my line of work.” Then everyone would know it’s all chill. Kinda like starting a disaster story with “First let me say that everyone is fine…”

yes! :)

The DARK 🖤 heart is the like ❤️ on this app, right? sorry. Newb here! 😅

Poor Dr John!!!! She is a horrible human being but I feel Sara is right where she belongs and she got the sentence she got because she has NEVER ACCEPTED RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE M. She can’t even accept she was alcoholic.

This is such a great episode, thank you for explaining the analysis of recidivism AND for the behind the scenes about your business. 🩷

These are historically two very imperfect victims.

As an actuary, I never thought I'd hear the word actuarial on a True Crime podcast lol.

I’m laughing because I just told my husband “I would be catching the tomatoes. 🍅” He said “Let’s get our gloves. 🧤” 🤣🤣🤣 FYI - My husband didn’t have to translate Dr. John for me today! Yay! 😀

Yes! Me too! I started to ALMOST second guess myself but then the prosecution dropped the mic. Justice for Torres.

I LOVE everything about this post and I’m sooo in for a HTC pool party.

He TOTALLY did! I loved him and Judge Boyce!

I can’t help but feel sorry for her because her narcissism outweighs any logical reasoning She’s ultimately her own worst enemy She is a perfect example of how destructive these disordered thinking people truly are It’s really sad And im so sad for her son What a horrible waste

I was really getting nervous until the the 2nd part of closing was presented. I could easily have been convinced that it was 1st Degree.

And he did it with class. 💥

How frightening!

Maybe a wee meet and greet at CrimeCon in Denver?

💯

I never thought John was saying anything wrong with Sarah Boone. Abusive relationships are so complex and its usually over a long period of time where it just escalates. I am never surprised that it ends tragically. Thanks Lauren & John

Thank you for sharing Tad. 💕

This is hilarious and wonderful. Tell Cameron I admire him and if we can get our stuff together, maybe we’ll have that pool party this coming spring! We haven’t given up on the idea! We just got busy

Thank you for always having integrity. This is Lauren but I will make sure John sees this when he wakes. Thank you!

Criminals with a Savior complex would be an interesting episode

Hi Sarah I agree with you💯 . I have an ongoing list of book recommends and quotes from Dr. John. 📚

Hi Mara I do agree with you.

🫳🎤 Justice 4 Jorge ⚖️

I am so glad he did. She is so odd. It’s like she is writing a fictional novel with over descriptive narrative. Like she is not responsible nor can she see any imperfections within herself. She must have control and attention. Life… yes this is good.

I love your banter! Just cute. So cute. ☺️

Dude is pushing that envelope on VW 😂

We have lots here in Victoria too- they just wear more clothes down here lol

I just love that Two bogans fighting. We have lots and lots of bogans in Queensland and a few other places. 👍🇦🇺

Thanks for the clarification on John’s assessment. I really needed to hear his job description and objectives when making his determination. I’ve been listening a long time but had forgotten exactly what goes into Dr. John’s analysis. Appreciate you guys. Happy holidays.

Yes!!! You articulated this so well! I wrote three comments and couldn’t get my thoughts straight!

And apparently Judge Kraynick didn’t need any of the information because he threw the book at her! ❤️

That is so frustrating the bias in the criminal justice system I find that interesting the Dr that testified for defense didn’t do the testing. I really appreciate this breakdown as a true crime fanatic. Thank you!!!

I don't think she deserves a life sentence. 25 years max. Tomatoes are great... Need to add that DOC did a psych report and we were not privy to the results. There could be a good reason for the life sentence

Bwahahahahaha! She IS a horrible human being! You guys are the best and we totally understand because John hasn’t seen the trial and coverage but is looking at her in a professional way. So so appreciative you both and your integrity and insight! Thank you for breaking this down! ❤️

Thank you guys! As always, stellar!

It was such an intense case!!

This is Sarah Boone sober, can you imagine her on alcohol. Just Awful!

Pp pop

Sarah doesn’t take any responsibility for what she did or her part in the toxic relationship. She blames everyone except herself. I think that definitely increases her risk.. Thanks for the insight into assessing criminals risk! Always fascinating!

Amen to that.

Let’s face it she talked about and treated her dogs better than Jorge. Her ex husband seems like he had more to do with the Son. She kind of flaked on picking him up etc..

I agree 💯, Julie. Whew! Thanks for saying it all so I didn't have to. :)

Absolutely! He worried about her. I think abuse goes both ways. There are men who are abused. She was the dominant and she treated him like a child and charity case!

Exactly, if she really didn’t mean to murder him, accept the deal. She just couldn’t, that is what makes her “that kind of crazy”! She is her own worse enemy!

No tomatoes!

I have read the book and seen the movie

Great example "Whose afraid of Virgina Wolf"!

I would love your take on the verdict of another case of the ballerina that killed her husband (battered women case) and how these two were handled in the court)

The two of you have a great rapport. Your talks around the kitchen table are golden! Clarifying the issue on Patreon makes it even better. So honored to be a Gem.

I so appreciate your expertise and explanation/take on this case.

You two are so funny!

You guys are hilarious I really enjoy listening to you

Well said

I trust you. Dr John!

Thank you Lauren and Dr.John you’re the best ❤️

I don’t sympathize with her actions but people are complicated and we like to boil people down to black white right wrong bad good and generally people can’t be boiled down to such simple elements

But victims think ahead about what will happen if….

Thanks so much!! I had similar questions.

Dr. John is getting more comfortable and his passion is showing! You both are great at what you do! Lauren is reporting the now! Dr. John has to dissect it and then analyze it and then use reference books and then maybe start to form an opinion! LOL!

I was worried after watching that Live. I almost posted a “hope you two are ok …” message since something seemed “off.” Thanks for explaining. Whew I’m glad I had no reason to be concerned. Now I get it.

I was thinking” she had a bat!”! Lauren you were not alone!

You two make me smile! Love your work

I feel like a lot of people don’t get that Dr John is basing his analysis on clinical things and not emotions or his opinion. No tomatoes from me, I get it lol.

Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf is now on my Christmas list. I always learn so much listening to the both of you, thank you.

Hello!

👋🏼

Dr. John do you thinking she is an abuser? She said something about being a darling Mother? Did you catch that?

Hi Lauren and Dr. John!!

LOL! I was thinking he is way nicer than I am but she threw him down the staircase in the suitcase and hit him with the bat and left him to die in the suitcase. I think she is very angry and a control freak. Very manipulative to control. Very scary!

Hello Dr. John and Lauren!

Hello !

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