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Ep. 185 Premium - nick makes the worst hypothetical ever, asked to leave [AUDIO]
Added 2025-02-05 20:07:41 +0000 UTC
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so he, in fact, absolutely, 150% Bet on It
Emi
2025-11-08 03:48:51 +0000 UTCi haven’t gotten to the controversial part of this episode, but the part that pisses me off is ludwig convincing everyone that baby girl Zac Efron didnt sing at ALL in HSM. he sang in the 2nd and 3rd movie, he just did not sing in HSM1
Emi
2025-11-08 03:48:31 +0000 UTCAidens worst take ever
Andreas Rand Kristensen
2025-10-28 07:42:13 +0000 UTCCP turned nicki to a gooner
BlargCommander
2025-04-15 00:58:08 +0000 UTCWe gotta turn aiden anarchist don't let him take the guns
meek and milds
2025-03-19 05:17:49 +0000 UTCI never once checked the Patreon comments but I had to after this ep because of Aidan… wanted to make sure I wasn’t crazy
BL Miller
2025-03-06 22:23:19 +0000 UTCJust getting back around to this ep. Aiden is so wrong it hurts
Luke Saunders
2025-02-23 20:50:50 +0000 UTCI was kinda ehh on the political talk the ep but when they started talking about aiden being our last hope and birthing child every 4 weeks for all of time I was so back
Padawan Talon
2025-02-16 09:42:39 +0000 UTCdems would crush in the world trump ran independent
Wes Clark
2025-02-13 15:18:25 +0000 UTCAiden is so unfathomably incorrect
Viola Alethia
2025-02-13 12:40:27 +0000 UTCSo glad as im reading through these comments. thought I was going crazy hearing Aiden, the normally politically rational one on the pod, saying that an independent Trump would sweep both the democrats and the Republicans. Imo, there's enough people in the republican party who only tolerate Trump because he was their only option. In this hypothetical where Trump cannot run as a republican, Ludwig is right, no shot the republican party blows themselves up to elect Trump, they'd fight hard for a Romney type over him.
Taunts For Days
2025-02-12 22:57:37 +0000 UTCYeah
Casey Reed
2025-02-12 19:44:28 +0000 UTCAidan sounds nuts wow
Tyler Fedor
2025-02-12 18:26:47 +0000 UTCNick using all his funnies writing the show. He stunk this epi
Henry
2025-02-11 07:15:00 +0000 UTCAidans take is actually so brain dead. I’m literally commenting for the first time because of how stupid it is.
Eli K-s
2025-02-10 09:45:19 +0000 UTCHorrible take by Aidan just chiming in so bad
Luke
2025-02-10 00:08:13 +0000 UTCAiden is cooked for the Trump independent opinion, the registered Republican vote would cause him to lose because he would split the red vote
Hart Loire
2025-02-09 21:57:13 +0000 UTCRemoving guns is always the worst argument ever. No one's giving them up without a fight, and they would never give the government ALL their guns. I love the stick analogy. Take a stick away from a kid and tell them they can't have it, they're just going to go grab another stick
Bad Shiba
2025-02-09 15:40:39 +0000 UTCYou raise some good points imo. There is a percentage of “Red/Blue no matter who” voters. And it’s also true the margin was only 5 Million. That’s within the margin of error for sure. Those factors all make the road to 270 EC votes very difficult. But I think the general public, like liberals and non-voters, have a very skewed idea of what the median republican voter has become since 2016. The media is heavily over represented by “anti-trump” Republicans and makes it seem like there is a meaningful number of people who will balk at Trump within the GOP. The opinion sections of the NY Times, Wall Street Journal, and most non-FOX TV broadcasts are staffed with either liberals or anti-trump republicans. The thing is tho, despite the ink and air time these voices get, the real polling and ballot box results in 2016-2024 shows that Trump has not only retained his base, but has completley eaten away at any meaningful competition from the GOP. I urge anyone to go back to exactly a year ago and what that primary was like. Trump was winning by so much he never -once- showed up to a debate. He was winning 75-85% of the vote share in most cases. The other thing that isn’t talked about in this scenario is that Trump would -greatly- over shadow anyone the GOP puts up but would be even or just slightly behind Biden/Harris. Trump would be able to do what he did in the GOP primaries but as an independent: buy out his competition. Trump could very easily get the meager GOP competitor to just give up and take a job as secretary of state or VP even. If you’re the GOP guy in this scenario, you are a distant 3rd. So what’s your best option? Do you want the Dems to win? No. Can you win yourself? No. Could you leverage your voting block and barter with Trump in exchange for a really good position in his potential cabinet? Yes. It’s way better than doing nothing and losing anyway.
Goofstavus Adoptus
2025-02-08 22:11:11 +0000 UTCBro I never comment on anything but I had to for this: aiden smoking some hot crack
Joram Wilander
2025-02-08 13:59:43 +0000 UTCUnlimited bacon but no games or games, unlimited games, but no games
Caleb Workman
2025-02-08 01:16:22 +0000 UTCNo, I’m standing on my business buddy. How are you able to claim that Donald Trump loses to Joe Biden or Kamala? Polling over the 2024 campaign consistenty showed Trump (and even a generic Republican) beating both of them. And consistently showed in cross-tab polling that Trump loses to a generic Democrat. Biden and Harris were uniquely hated candidates. Trump being an independent changes nothing about this dynamic. Now go take a shower and say hi to your mother upstairs, and fill out a job application. You’re 43 years old, it’s time to make like your hairline and get out!
Goofstavus Adoptus
2025-02-08 00:50:19 +0000 UTCDelete this post you wrote a lot of nothing trying to seem knowledgeable. Ill again keep it short for you Trump definetly loses as an independant against kamala or joe biden. Wtf are u people on about 😂😂
PostFade
2025-02-08 00:38:34 +0000 UTCBad aiden take
PostFade
2025-02-08 00:29:41 +0000 UTCI need Big A to tell me what to think of this
Logan
2025-02-07 20:31:04 +0000 UTCIcl ts j pmo
JarredFFS
2025-02-07 19:24:47 +0000 UTCThe key part missing from Ludwig’s analysis for his side of the argument is that he seems to think that Trump cannot exist without the establishment of the Republican party and that flies in the face of the last 8 years of US politics In the 2016 GOP primary, Trump came in as a wholly outsided candidate against the most established figures in the party. Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, and Ted Cruz are as establishment as you can get. And Trump beat them all by being more charismatic and delivering a credible outsider perspective. After that moment, Trump’s base became the establishment. He chased out all the Bush administration officials or forced them to bend the knee to save face. And on too of that, Trump used the small donor funding model to make him less dependent on the GOP’s logistics to get out the vote. Trump losing in 2020 opened the door for an establishment re-conquest of the GOP. Ron Desantis and Nicky Haley ran their entire campaign messaging on restoring “decorum” to the office (and remove Trump’s influence from the party). Both of those campaigns fell flat on their faces and Trump once and for all closed the door the establaihment GOP being able to dictate the direction of the party. Aimen is right to say an Independent Trump would win. But that comes with thr massive caveat that his opponent could only be Biden/Harris. If Trump’s opponent is a standard Democrat, he loses everytime. Source: In a majority of down ballot races in 2024, the Democratic candidate out ran Biden and Harris and in numerous polls a generic Democratic out ran Trump in almost every instance. The only situation in real ballot results and polling where Trump won was when he was put against Biden or Harris. And if I were Aimen, I would’ve responded to Ludwig by saying that Trump doesn’t need to run as an independent. He effectively is independent by virtue of the control he already possesses with the base and by having already placed loyalists in all levels of the GOP.
Goofstavus Adoptus
2025-02-07 17:24:33 +0000 UTCjinns in islam is interesting topic. they are supernatural and created by god, they can be evil neutral or good. and they have free will, muslim person can either believe in them or not, and the most interesting part: humans and jinn are capable of procreation. but jinns basically have roots in pre-islamic faiths, so Genie from Aladdin can be older than islam
omenaaa
2025-02-07 12:16:47 +0000 UTCThey're calling Aiden the most wrong man of all time
lockheed fartin
2025-02-07 09:09:19 +0000 UTCSo I’ve never commented on premo or YouTube video If trump ran independent, there is 0 fkn % that he would win. He would split the votes so much that democrats would sweep
Cody S
2025-02-07 07:50:34 +0000 UTCI was making a joke but I did also misunderstand lol. Idk why but I totally thought they just swapped this weeks main ep and premo. Makes a lot more sense now, thanks for clearing that up
Nick Bogardus
2025-02-07 07:16:18 +0000 UTCur misunderstanding, they've essentially recorded 1 main ep and 3 premos these past two weeks, but last week's premo got bumped to this week's main ep for being so funny, so they recorded a second premo (for last week). hope that wasn't too confusing (if you were just making a joke about the cp bit then mb, carry on)
gabafool
2025-02-07 04:20:11 +0000 UTCIn the end, rhetoric only takes you so far. It brought Trump to the position he's in now, but the logistics and finance of it all just don't line up to push him to an actual presidential win. Like Slime said, the two party system is too entrenched, especially in older people's minds (who are the most reliable voting block), and if they've voted red all their life, why would they change?
gabafool
2025-02-07 04:00:37 +0000 UTCI've read all your replies in this thread and you are fundamentally misunderstanding Aiden's point. Aiden's argument is that the scenario where Trump has to run independent is a scenario where the GOP literally blocks him from running as their candidate. Now I agree with you, the current GOP is the party of Donald Trump. It does not survive without him, but in this scenario Aiden is proposing where they forcibly cut him off (and presumably have their own, wet noodle candidate, as they suggest on the pod), the entire might of both the Democratic and Republican political machines are against him. He will assuredly sway GOP voters, and it will be the strongest independent run in recent memory, but ultimately it will end up splitting red voters, because the GOP will have their own candidate, and die-hard Republican registered voters will simply go to the ballot box and tick the name that says Republican above it. If Aiden's argument was that it would be the independent run with the highest chance of winning of all time, then yes of course he'd be right. But his argument was that Trump winning as independent is likely, and that just isn't true.
gabafool
2025-02-07 03:57:21 +0000 UTCSo the cp bit is the real reason the premo and the main ep got swapped, right?
Nick Bogardus
2025-02-07 01:26:59 +0000 UTCThere are republicans who will vote down party line because the person is not a democrat. There are Trump supporters that would follow him if he went independent. There is no world that they are mutually exclusive and Trump wins as an independent. There are plenty of people that voted Trump then voted locally democrat because they were angry and there are plenty of life long republicans that hate Trump but hate democrats more that would have loved an alternative to Trump on their ticket. Aiden takes a steam hot L on this one easy and it’s frustrating hearing him talk so confidently about it
Aaron Reyes
2025-02-06 23:13:11 +0000 UTCi don’t think this was the right episode to play at work today
Kayesen Scheler
2025-02-06 19:34:59 +0000 UTCI think he has more ability to leverage media than anyone else in history and you are 1000% right about that, and everyone besides the big dogs like Fox would probably stay valiantly in support of him. But I think there are a lot of Fox frogs that would make up an insurmountable margin for him at the end of the day.
ricardo
2025-02-06 19:18:12 +0000 UTCYeah this is something I thought about and added to my big comment is if the establishment ditches you how much of your ability to wield the media do you lose along with that, to leverage your messaging post-dump, and I think this is a good critique
The Yard
2025-02-06 19:12:27 +0000 UTCTrump gets more independent votes than anyone, but the Trumper insane people are a vocal majority. There is still probably at least 20-30 million republican loyalists voting for him. You also have to figure, both for those people and MAGA people, the media is heavily influenced by the Republican party. Fox wouldn’t be glazing him the same way they do if he was ousted from the Republican party. Independent freaks like Nick Fuentes, Destiny, Shawn Ryan etc. might, but the big corps wouldn’t. MANY of these people like Trump so much because of these media outlets glazing him and making fun of people like Ted Cruz, Vivek etc. If they stopped, a good portion of them would as well. My dad is an example of someone who will basically support whoever Fox News does. He LOVED Mitt Romney all the way up until Fox started calling him out for being against Trump, and suddenly Mitt was a career coward who never had a valuable moral or political platform. It was literally overnight. The Republican party has the pull over the media, which has benefited Trump because he has been at least a potential benefit to them. If they decided definitively he was out, the media would reflect that.
ricardo
2025-02-06 19:10:27 +0000 UTCI think the main problem with your argument is in the conservative ideals of the Republican Party. Conservatives don’t like change. Electing an independent president without the backing of a party is very risky and a huge change. Almost all of diehard trump supporters would vote for him, but there are so many voters who only voted for trump because they think republicans are better for the economy and would not vote for a radical independent. So many trump voters don’t like his radical ideas, but they think he’s their only option to defeat the evil liberals and the immigrants taking their jobs. Also if the Republican Party forsook trump he would lose a lot of media support.
Chives
2025-02-06 19:08:23 +0000 UTCif youre still reading the comments aiden, I love you and I hope you get all the things you wish for
cuddr
2025-02-06 19:08:14 +0000 UTCYea I agree Harrison in a general sense, I think my point here is more to try and demonstrate the extreme circumstances that exist at the moment to buck that trend, similar to how he's broken trends in the past, but I definitely think your position (which most people have) is very reasonable.
The Yard
2025-02-06 18:57:27 +0000 UTCMy thoughts are similar to Ethan. I’ll preface my comment with saying I’m British so I can’t really relate to the scale of a president election, but I think the specific case of allowing him to create this narrative against republicans and run as the ‘true’ republican nominee makes it sway to your side if he can pull it off. We had an MP who was pretty beloved by the town for 15 years and was one of the Tory rebels who tried to prevent a no-deal Brexit, who then tried to run independent. Interestingly when she ran again she only got 3% of the share and Tories retained the majority. I know the scale of this compared to running for president is miles apart, but I still thought she would retain more votes. Ultimately, I think that in the argument itself you underestimate people’s inclination to just pick between the two leading parties. I think overcoming this ‘red vs. blue’ mindset would be the hardest part.
Harrison
2025-02-06 18:54:48 +0000 UTCDefinitely hard to say what kinda effect him not being given the nomination would have had. Certainly not as cut and dry as I think a number of the other comments make it out to be, so I see where you're coming from. And yeah, my guess for why they nominated him regardless of what we all clearly see is probably desperation since a Republican hadn't won in nearly 2 decades. Hopefully this won't be a problem anymore in 4 years.
Ethan
2025-02-06 18:46:32 +0000 UTCAiden is dead wrong
Quinn Haehnle
2025-02-06 18:41:24 +0000 UTCYeah I absolutely understand this, but that's why the Repub nominee voting is so damning to me. That is where Republicans have the most freedom to choose and they STILL chose him, and I don't think 75%+ of the base is MAGA mindslave in that sense, but he still won by a huge margin. And if his candidacy is "stolen" from him vs. him losing genuinely that's a lot different of a base to work a campaign from. edit - self argument if that if you're voting in a primary you're more engaged, but I also think more neutral/apathetic voters that are General Only Queens are the type more likely to be swayed by a Trump independent run, because they're not that committed or engaged to Republicans or politics in the first place. Trump only needs to tip the scale enough to have the rest follow imo, which is something that no independent candidate has really ever had the position or weight to do (independent who has the power to pull 25% of one base is dangerous because it tanks and everyone loses, but if trump could pull 60-70% of the base then you force the remaining Repub voters to make a decision like they do in the primary, and those people are the most politically engaged to begin with)
The Yard
2025-02-06 18:40:34 +0000 UTCAs someone living in deep red territory, can say that a number of people that vote for Trump don't do it because they are deep MAGA heads. They are party line voters who have voted Republican since before they could vote and won't change no matter the message of any candidate. Be it some die hard loyalty for a by-gone era of the Republican party of old under Lincoln or simple laziness, they aren't moving. If anyone was gonna win third-party, I agree it would be Trump and his GOP base, but what is infinitely more likely is a large enough portion of the voter base (well over the margin he won this election by) stays voting party-line and ultimately the Democrats just win instead. The two-party system is that fucked.
Ethan
2025-02-06 18:37:05 +0000 UTCas someone who hasnt watched, these literally essay comments are scaring me lol
cuddr
2025-02-06 18:28:49 +0000 UTCHe was not betting on it :((
Bake Mo
2025-02-06 18:11:26 +0000 UTCI figured I'd type this up once, I know surface level it seems like a wild take. I think if your core disagreement is that "this political context would not supersede the power of the Republican nominee" that makes sense, but I think my position of "Trump has a strong chance of winning as an Independent if the Republicans *barred him from being the nominee*" also is reasonable. His entire candidacy and history has been built on anti-establishment rhetoric. His popularity, even with traditional republicans, thrives on the basis of populist messaging that is ultimately still popular with a lot of more "trad" Republicans and especially with many historic apolitical voters. For the people saying that a lot of Republicans don't like him, look at the margins he won the Republican nomination in 2024 by. I think in the scenario I have described his Independent candidacy, he is able to build a clear narrative campaign around effectively being "the real" Republican nominee, a political "martyr" so to speak barred from what's owed to him. I think he could build comparable support to his percentage win of the Republican nominee in 2024, and if he has a majority of right leaning support in polling in that scenario, the remaining Republican voter base would cave and vote for him even if they didn't like it, because they understand that ousting votes to the "third party" (the Repub wet noodle nominee in this scenario) is a waste in the same way that left leaning voters do. In any scenario where Trump somehow lost genuine voter support and lost the Repub nomination and then chose to run Independent, he would obviously lose, of course. I don't think I'd bet money on him winning but I think it would be the strongest chance of any Independent winning in history. I think my analysis here is fair, albeit I totally understand if you still disagree, I would love to hear genuine critiques of the specifics of this argument though. Because I am basing this off of (IMO) his wins and campaigns in 2016, his general stranglehold on Republican party messaging and voter base, his margins of victory in the Repub primary, and the lack of support for Joe Biden/Kamala Harris. All of these inform my take, I think it's not unreasonable given the context I laid out haha. To me Trump is a guy who's entire political history has bucked historic voting trends and his "ideology's" hold on the current state of the Repub party is pretty evident, is it that crazy to say with all the context so far we could imagine another trend being bucked? Maybe yea but anyway I think I laid it all out. ty for listening!aimen Edit - I think another specific counter argument for my own is Trump's team has always been very good at wielding media, you can get a sense of how they do this through some interviews Steve Bannon has done over the years, but if he was an Independent how much of that media grip does he lose, if the messaging of the martyr can't get out anymore it can't work
The Yard
2025-02-06 17:55:05 +0000 UTCThat’s a fair point. I’d disagree in that while I totally agree he has massive control over the current GOP, I don’t think that control supersedes the existence of the GOP. In other words - as long as Trump want, he can hold the Republican Party by the balls. However, if he were to leave, a significant (though likely still minority!) portion of the GOP most deep entrenched in its traditional economic and legislative roots would resist a complete transformation of the party identity. My contention is that this segment of the base, while distressingly small, is probably still enough to fracture trumps support/coalition beyond where it needs to be in order to defeat any conpetently run democratic campaign (if such a thing would exist… 🙃)
jacob beaudway
2025-02-06 17:39:49 +0000 UTCI think the political climate and context that I described is why I think he specifically, in the scenario I described, is why I think he has a strong chance. His entire candidacy is a bucking of trends and overcoming traditional expectations in election results. I think the key here is in the context I am describing, he only needs to sway a similar percentage of voters in the Repub pool by the proportion he wins by in the primary already, and he will effectively be seen as "the real" candidate, and in that scenario I think people would fall in line and treat the Republican candidate effectively as the third party at that point because the momentum is so heavily in Trump's favor. Obviously this is just me guessing based on the context I have laid out, if the disagreement is that no context will supersede the political power of the actual Repub nominee, then that's fair, I just disagree with that based on the upheaval within the party this candidate has already caused.
The Yard
2025-02-06 17:37:22 +0000 UTCI think if they had any significant influence he would not have the degree of control over the party he has now and he certainly would not be the nominee. I'm not saying they have 0 influence but if you imagine the scenario where they overly block him from being the nominee I think that gives him a lot of political capital, because his entire platform has been framed around anti-establishment rhetoric and that is where his popularity comes from.
The Yard
2025-02-06 17:33:24 +0000 UTCAlso left leaning bias? I think I literally defend the avg Trump voter in my explanation for why I think he has a strong shot at winning as an Independent, what is the specifically left leaning bias demonstrated in my explanation here?
The Yard
2025-02-06 17:29:50 +0000 UTCI understand the disagreement but what is the bias being demonstrated you think? My evaluation of Trump's support being distinct from support from the Republican party? I think I understand a criticism of the analysis or expected math better than what you are saying here.
The Yard
2025-02-06 17:29:01 +0000 UTCBros Canadian i forgor
ItsE0N
2025-02-06 17:27:22 +0000 UTCAiden is just so wrong
Lucas
2025-02-06 17:22:24 +0000 UTCI’m not saying many people wouldn’t still vote for him. But history has shown multiple times, like in the case of Abe Lincoln when there is a division in one party the other party easily wins. It’s just the way the American election system works. With ranked choice voting there could be a different outcome.
Chives
2025-02-06 17:11:08 +0000 UTCThe trump/republican party thing is Aiden's most wrong opinion and that dude wants to kill all dogs
Cross Road
2025-02-06 17:09:10 +0000 UTCI’m losing my mind at all the people saying Aiden is wrong. As a completely nebulous fan, he is totally correct.
Sunny D
2025-02-06 17:03:36 +0000 UTCThis is ahistorical. Trump is the GOP and vice versa.
Sunny D
2025-02-06 17:00:02 +0000 UTCTrump IS the party. 2016 was historical because he wasn’t an established Republican candidate. He wasn’t a politician. His whole thing is that he’s an outsider from Day Dot! That’s why people like him so much; he’s “not” a politician! And every other establishment Republican candidate lost to him, bigly. So if Trump did get ousted from the GOP, they’re still gonna bet on that horse for winning.
Sunny D
2025-02-06 16:59:22 +0000 UTCTeddy Roosevelt tried what aimen is arguing bar for bar and got smoked
Tim
2025-02-06 16:46:35 +0000 UTC😴😴😴
Logan
2025-02-06 16:11:25 +0000 UTCguy who takes his yummy dramamine before he watches yard premium eps
ark
2025-02-06 16:10:30 +0000 UTCYou may be right, I think my disagreement is that I don’t believe the GOP is as inseparable from trump as some believe. At the moment, absolutely, but history is a long long road. Over time, the GOP will move on from Trump (if for no other reason than he’s gonna die/retire at some point!), and when that happens, I feel quite confident whatever it becomes will resemble more closely a political machine than a personal legacy of just Trump. So in our hypothetical, where somehow a trump independent ticket has arisen, either the GOP establishes coalesces around him (at which point I’m not sure that really counts as an independent run, just a renaming/shuffling of the GOP), or it resists fracturing and trump runs as a true independent, in which case, I think Aiden and others are underestimating the resistance the gop would launch toward trump. To try to simplify (sorry for essaying lol): I don’t accept that the GOP crumbles completely without trump. And if it does, than the hypothetical itself is somewhat pointless - in that case, trump isn’t really running as a third party/independent, he’d just be running as the head of the new second party! (GOP 2 or whatever). So assuming the former scenario (where some traditional GOP platform exists), Aiden, and presumably you (apologies if I’m misunderstanding) believe that well over 95% of the current GOP national voting block (around 97% if my math is correct) would both continue to vote, and switch votes entirely to Trumps ticket. If more than 2-3% of the nearly 80 million voters decide not to vote or vote for a GOP pres candidate, than trumps chances of winning drastically decrease (assuming a relatively stable Dem vote share). I believe that is a very remote possibility. To reiterate, in this scenario, the entire weight of the democratic pol campaigning engine AND the majority of the remaining GOP campaigning focus would be directed specifically against Trump, with nearly all established institutional powers either directly aimed against him, or feeling pretty pissed at him spurning their party and ripping power away that the GOP has spent decades amassing. It’s just so difficult to win an election against those odds and in that media environment. After all, we already saw what happened when a fairly moderate democratic candidate faced a Trump with heightened scrutiny and organized oppositional campaigning, he lost. Those democrats weren’t ultimately much different then todays dems. The difference is Trump gets way less heat when he’s not the incumbent, but as soon as he runs a wonky independent campaign, that scrutiny returns ten fold and from both sides.
jacob beaudway
2025-02-06 16:03:02 +0000 UTCAimen making that argument right after looking at American voters googling “where is Joe Biden” is insane lmao. So many wouldn’t even know he’s not the republican candidate
TLE
2025-02-06 15:56:23 +0000 UTCBanger normal ep, snoozer Patreon ep. I went to sleep to this episode, woke up, put it on again, slept through it again
Logan
2025-02-06 15:50:56 +0000 UTCI think you’re missing what Aiden is saying. In 2016 Trump took over the Republican establishment. There is no GOP without Trump. They have all either fallen in line or have been ousted. If Trump left or was forced out, the GOP crumbles. They need him, so even if he did go independent, they would support him. This is ALSO true of Republican voters. Given the choice between a Dem (let’s say Kamala or Biden), a GOP runner who ISNT Trump and Indie Trump… like 99% are voting Trump. The one thing that only Ludwig really addressed briefly is that Democrats have more voters to tap into. Democrats have a larger voting block, but vote less. Trump has a dedicated voting block, but it’s smaller. They’re reliable, but can be beaten. The Democrats running a good or bad campaign is the ONLY difference making in if Trump wins or loses. Not if he’s a Republican or Independent candidate.
Sunny D
2025-02-06 15:44:46 +0000 UTCThis ep felt like a fever dream
Christoph
2025-02-06 15:18:32 +0000 UTCTough day for Aimen fans 😔. Believing the GOP institution has effectively no influence over the voter base relative to trumps coalition shows a complete misunderstanding of just how entrenched legacy political power structures are in the electoral process. Trump won a fairly narrow election against an generally unpopular candidate (who entered the race VERY late), whose previous admin was running from a poor economy in times where incumbents globally are taking big losses, all while unpopular foreign conflicts mired that same administration. Running outside of GOP structure (keeping in mind that in this hypothetical, this isn’t a peaceful excision, trump has somehow been pushed out of the party apparatus) will inevitably lead to voter transfer (to the party candidate) and bleed (people who would stay home without an organized clear push for one candidate to combat the dems). Still love Aiden and I get where he’s coming from. I despise trump and it’s very tempting to succumb to the idea that his success and an accompanying American decline are inevitable, but we have to remain hopeful. There are massive and powerful entities working every day to make the lives of average citizens as miserable as possible in exchange for marginal profit increases, but there are just as many working to prevent that future and give everyone a chance to self determine and love life. If we remain united, history shows that the march forward toward progress is, while far from linear, ultimately inevitable <3
jacob beaudway
2025-02-06 14:52:42 +0000 UTCi don’t really care about politics i just thought the cp bit was funny
kyrb
2025-02-06 14:22:52 +0000 UTCMight be Aiden’s dumbest take yet, like bro open a history book. Why do you think we have parties in this country
Chives
2025-02-06 14:13:31 +0000 UTCTime to bring on Jon Lovett as a guest
Jake
2025-02-06 14:09:47 +0000 UTCAiden thinking that Trump would win as an independent with a Republican candidate in the run is the dumbest thing he has ever said bar none. There are millions of Republican voters whole would vote for literally anything as long as it says "Republican" on it and would not vote for an independent even if they aligned with them 110%
ajens
2025-02-06 12:30:45 +0000 UTCLooks like the L is being passed around the room and it's landed in Aidens lap this week!
Julian
2025-02-06 10:47:49 +0000 UTCAidens two biggest icks are he refuses to be wrong even when faced with substational math to prove otherwise, and that he can't stop shitting his pants in public. That's your guy, the pants shitter. Love you aimen gamin
misterthezeem
2025-02-06 10:19:53 +0000 UTCThey are the same though; both sides are arguing a point to the best of their ability when, in reality, either or being right is entirely null to the content nor enjoyment. Also, good strawman attempt.
Anu Sauxen
2025-02-06 07:14:11 +0000 UTCAiden is valid about the HIMYM voice thing. It also took me a while to realize narrator Ted was a different guy.
Cameron S
2025-02-06 07:00:07 +0000 UTCim sure they will take your comment to heart
Joeston Ramart
2025-02-06 05:43:54 +0000 UTCLeave em wanting more because I need another hour of this.
Sunny D
2025-02-06 05:36:21 +0000 UTCAiden’s worst take
RP
2025-02-06 05:07:20 +0000 UTCIs it Opposite Day and no one told me? You could not be more wrong.
Sunny D
2025-02-06 05:06:17 +0000 UTCThis is insanely incorrect plus you have an anime pfp. After 2016, the Republican Party, the Republican voters and nearly all independent voters fell under Trump. After that, GOP voters were NEVER going to swing back around to Democrats. They would support and vote for Indie Trump over democrats. And a wet noodle GOP candidate folds to Trump. Aiden is 100% correct.
Sunny D
2025-02-06 05:05:21 +0000 UTCLemme introduce you to the skip forward button my friend
RA
2025-02-06 05:02:58 +0000 UTCI think talking about current American politics is a little different than asking “should dogs be allowed in public human spaces”.
Sunny D
2025-02-06 05:01:19 +0000 UTCIt’s not left wing bias , nothing he’s saying is remotely left wing he just doesn’t get how elections work in America. Both conservatives and liberals mistake themselves in taking the sweeping ideas and catchphrases of the blue and red candidates for why they win or lose
rids
2025-02-06 04:19:16 +0000 UTCand you've got a default icon richard, at least i have interests
Daddywarbucks
2025-02-06 03:37:14 +0000 UTCActually the worst political analysis Ive ever heard. Aiden's i mean
Kovasataa
2025-02-06 03:04:41 +0000 UTCi hate that i agree but you have an anime pfp
RichardLong
2025-02-06 02:24:52 +0000 UTCAll the boys are very obviously left wing, not just Aiden.
Andy Hackett
2025-02-06 02:18:50 +0000 UTCtheres literally one weird comment about it, shut up
Daddywarbucks
2025-02-06 02:09:00 +0000 UTC"Trump could win as an independent" is without a doubt the dumbest thing ever said on the podcast lmfao. There are way more than 2 million republicans that would just vote republican still. At least 10% of republicans dont even read the name, they tick republican and then spit their dip into the ballot box
Daddywarbucks
2025-02-06 01:44:01 +0000 UTCBrother it’s a comedy podcast not a political podcast. I don’t mind if politics come up, but 10 minutes of some super bias ramblings, based on absolutely nothing isn’t funny. Poking fun at it is one thing but there was nothing funny there.
Andy
2025-02-06 01:35:49 +0000 UTCnah you fine, dw bout it
Hayden
2025-02-06 01:16:09 +0000 UTCnah fuck that if you fine listening to these mfs talk about white women and Rottweilers but don’t like politics there’s a problem. plus it ain’t like they’ve never talked politics and hypos before.
Hayden
2025-02-06 01:15:38 +0000 UTCnick is sleeping on the couch after that coochie diffusion
Hayden
2025-02-06 01:04:56 +0000 UTCThe comedic timing in this one was unreal!! Funniest episode since the the Qt ep!
Evan Allen
2025-02-06 00:55:42 +0000 UTCIt’s crazy one hypothetical about politics gets brought up and everyone in the comments start tweaking. It’s just another dogs in cafe’s argument. Chill tf out.
Anu Sauxen
2025-02-06 00:55:12 +0000 UTCAiden’s huge political bias has got him spewing some bullshit lol. Try to stay away from politics, I’m not a trump supporter at all but everything he says just off base as he is very left leaning, the facts of the argument are just wrong lol. Much love y’all please just keep politics off the show
Andy
2025-02-06 00:24:47 +0000 UTCUK very much not a Catholic country
Aidan
2025-02-06 00:02:13 +0000 UTC0% chance Trump wins as 3rd party
Benjamin Zeien
2025-02-05 22:39:48 +0000 UTCWHAT IF I HAD A PUSSY
Lechuga
2025-02-05 22:34:47 +0000 UTCI'm not ganna stop paying or listening, even if you guys keep stopping slime from comparing the trump conversation to The Wire (greatest show of all time)
Elliot Brazier
2025-02-05 22:11:45 +0000 UTCMost excited I've been about an episode based on title alone
Mitchell McDonough
2025-02-05 22:03:49 +0000 UTCMassive L for Aiden in the politics discussion unfortunately
Ian Fairley
2025-02-05 21:48:59 +0000 UTCWhat is Aimen saying man, he legit canceled all the arguments he won in the past 10 episodes... wtf
Sam F
2025-02-05 21:39:00 +0000 UTCThis was the hardest premo ep to listen to of all time, I preferred league content
Nathaniel Kendrick
2025-02-05 21:27:03 +0000 UTCI think Zac Efron only didn't sing for the first movie. The sequels were all him, if I'm not mistaken.
Angela Reyes
2025-02-05 20:57:50 +0000 UTCGeorge Clooney could not sing in O brother where out thou and he was dubbed
Justin Hansen
2025-02-05 20:48:22 +0000 UTC*in your best Chris Pratt mario*
Driatin Cythe
2025-02-05 20:30:06 +0000 UTCChat, the kids I babysit keep carving sigils into bar soap and leaving them in my car, should I be worried?
Salmon
2025-02-05 20:27:36 +0000 UTCHip hip hooray
Paul Henderson
2025-02-05 20:24:32 +0000 UTCYippie!
Pantsg
2025-02-05 20:24:07 +0000 UTCI love when I forget it's wednesday and I'm surprised by a new episode ❤️
Sisse
2025-02-05 20:23:58 +0000 UTCwahoo!
Faye852
2025-02-05 20:08:59 +0000 UTC
