Chapter 84 – Life 61, Age 24, Martial Grandmaster Peak
Added 2024-05-06 12:00:11 +0000 UTCWhile most of the clans and groups that had initially shown interest in working with me had backed off, the Hu family was eager for a partnership. I met with Instructor Hu in one of the Pavilion conference rooms to discuss the details.
“The Hu Clan elders are willing to work with you and teach you all our knowledge of formations. I can promise that we will not hold anything back,” said Instructor Hu once we were seated.
“That’s very generous of you,” I said, surprised. “Even for quality Rank 3 pills, it seems beyond what I would normally expect.”
“Yes.” The instructor steepled his hands while trying to explain. “There are conditions which you may be unwilling to accept, but as long as you do, we will freely share all of our clan’s secrets with you.”
My eyes narrowed in suspicion at that. They wouldn’t be clan secrets if they were willing to share them so openly.
“What are the conditions?”
“First, you are not allowed to pass on any knowledge you gain from us.”
I nodded in agreement. “That sounds fair.”
“Second, you are not allowed to profit from creating formations for others within the kingdom.”
I thought about this restriction. “I’m allowed to create them for my own use or the use of my subordinates without restriction, though, correct?”
“Of course.”
I waved the restriction away. “I can accept this.”
“Finally, you must make a pledge to this effect on the kingdom’s Oath Stone.” When saying this, Instructor Hu seemed to get slightly nervous. It seemed he expected me to be unwilling to accept such conditions.
“What exactly does that mean?” I asked, cocking my head to the side. “As you know, I’m new to the kingdom. I’ve never heard of an Oath Stone.”
“It’s considered the most valuable artifact of the kingdom. A pledge on the Oath Stone connects you with the kingdom’s Bagua Formation and through it to the Heavenly Dao. If you break your oath, the Heavenly Dao will pass the information to the formation, and the formation will annihilate you. If you are too far away, the formation may not be able to reach, but once you return within its range, you will be destroyed.”
I tapped the table in thought then turned toward my regular Pavilion mediator. “LiPin, is swearing on this Oath Stone safe? Are there any hidden dangers the Pavilion can tell me about?”
She hesitated before speaking in a somewhat strained voice. “The Oath Stone is well known, and we have no information about hidden risks associated with it. Beyond what Master Hu has stated, when you are close to breaking an oath, you will feel it, so you will not be able to break one accidentally. However, it is possible to force someone to break an oath. If you swear never to say something, you could be tortured to the point where you are forced to speak. At that point, your oath would be broken, and you would be killed.”
“So,” I said, returning my focus to instructor Hu. “You are willing to teach me your secrets, but you need to ensure I can’t pass them along to others.”
“That’s correct,” he responded. I couldn’t get any kind of read of whether this was intended as a trap or as an open offer, but no matter how it was intended, it was a double-edged sword. Still, I could try to navigate the oath to my benefit.
“I can agree to this, but I need a few changes and clarifications to the oath I take.”
Instructor Hu seemed relieved.
“You said I won’t teach the knowledge you give me to others. Let’s make that pledge stronger. I will swear to never teach anyone anything about formations, but my pledge will only last until the day I die. I am not sure if reincarnation is real or not, but if this oath is connected to the Heavenly Dao, I don’t want any chains binding me in my next life.”
“That… should be acceptable to the elders. I will need to check,” said a cautious Instructor Hu.
“Also, if I’m working closely with the Hu Clan in the future, you will likely learn some of my secrets as well. I would like an oath from my instructor that my secrets will not be shared outside of the clan. In return, I will pledge to only use formations for experimental purposes while I’m in the kingdom. I will also request formation masters from the Hu Clan first when I have formation-related needs in the future, whether public or private.”
“I don’t know if that’s possible,” he responded in a tone of worry. “A Master may be willing to make such an oath, but if you want a Grandmaster teacher…”
I opened my hands in a welcoming gesture. “I’m only making an offer. You can return to discuss it with your clan, and we can work through any problematic details.”
Our conversation continued for a few moments longer, but everything of importance had already been said.
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I was slightly surprised when the deal with the Hu Clan went through successfully. I would have a Grandmaster privately teach me formations, and I would pay the Hu Clan with a significant number of Rank 3 pills.
The next few years flowed by as I studied alchemy and formations. A few other clans stepped forward to offer me deals, but they were swiftly rejected by Manager Bai. I had told her to accept nothing worse than what the Hu Clan had offered, and that was a bar too high for most clans to cross.
During this time, I didn’t concern myself with participating in the internal politics of the kingdom. People were jockeying for positions, especially the upcoming kingship, but I wasn’t in any race to claim it for myself. I simply made notes of what occurred in the event it would be useful the next time around.
My alchemy progress was incredibly swift during this period. With my enhanced comprehension, understanding Rank 1 herbs and how to mend them became significantly easier. Most Rank 1 herbs were in excellent condition anyway, so the amount of improvement I could get from mending them was limited and seemed to max out at around 105% of standard efficacy.
5% was very minimal for the amount of effort it took to mend such herbs. In the time it took me to completely mend everything and create a single pill with 105% efficacy, I could make four or five regular pills. For low-level herbs, there was simply no incentive to push for that extra 5%. However, the economics of the situation changed at higher ranks.
Some Rank 3 herbs were extremely rare, such as the Fire Dragon’s Tongue Fruit which was necessary for temporarily boosting fire affinity. An alchemist didn’t have the luxury of only selecting ideal herbs in such a situation and had to work with what was available. Once I mastered this skill at higher ranks, it would mean changing what might have been a pill at 70% efficacy into one with 140% efficacy after all the other bonuses were applied.
After three years of practice, I had been able to nearly perfect my mending skills on Rank 2 herbs, but Rank 3s were giving me problems. It made some sense. Looking at the number of credits I spent, my comprehension boost was at a high Rank 3 level, so it would be significantly more beneficial below that. That didn’t mean learning this skill at a higher level was out of reach. It just meant it would take more time.
Alongside these improvements, I became more skilled in working with herbs of the secondary elements. They each had quirks that normal herbs didn’t, and I began to understand how they combined together properly. Where energy from basic herbs could just be thrown together and mixed, the secondary energies were somewhat like puzzle pieces that needed to be fit together in a specific way. This was what caused my problems back during the registration exam. I didn’t understand how they slotted together.
My lack of affinities still held me back from perfection, but my competency with them had improved to a level I was satisfied with.
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During this same period, I invested many days and weeks into learning formations.
My new formation instructor was named Hu BoSan. He was an ancient-looking man who had been at the peak of the Grandmaster realm for centuries. I came to understand that the reason he was chosen was because he was the only one willing to swear the oath I required. As an old man near his end, it would have a limited effect on him.
When we first met, he was surly and disgruntled, but when he learned I had a peak seven-star earth affinity and an earth-based spiritual fire, his mood significantly improved. When he realized the mastery I had over my spiritual fire, he became genuinely excited.
As Instructor Hu told me in my first lesson, the Hu clan had been researching different materials and qi types for use in formations, but they hadn’t been very successful. After seeing my array of qi types, my dual-element spirit fire, and my high affinities in all of the basic elements, Hu BoSan’s impression of me changed from a tedious project to an interesting test subject.
He forced me to learn everything he could teach me about Rank 1 formations as quickly as I could learn it. After that, he began using me to experiment with new ways to combine elements to produce new and unique effects.
BoSan confided in me that while the Hu Clan did have a few disciples who chose dual-element cultivation, their talents were always limited. They couldn’t use high-level cultivation techniques, and their qi was too impure to make stable high-level formations.
Typically, when multiple elements were needed in a formation, multiple cultivators worked together to provide the correct types of qi. This resulted in conflicts between different people’s qi, and progress on improving the situation had been slow.
My spirit fire could not be used to power a formation, the designs of the Hu Clan could only accommodate qi, but I could use it when making inscriptions. Boring a hole through stone with my spirit fire and then reinforcing it with my fire qi allowed me to make inscriptions that were far stronger than usual, thus they could handle stronger qi flows, creating more powerful formations.
In the three years that passed, I was only taught Rank 1 formations, but by the end, I had a good grasp of them. Among those that Hu BoSan taught me, there weren’t many that were immediately useful to me. There were formations related to farming, livestock, and pest control, but these only provided meaningful benefits to mortals, and I wasn’t in a situation that called for them.
The most important formation I learned for my own use, even if I couldn’t use it in this life, was the Rank 1 Qi Gathering Formation. This was a Formation Master’s response to Qi Gathering Pills. The pills worked far faster and could quickly help a Disciple advance, but while the Qi Gathering Formation was slower than pills, it allowed one to cultivate at a controlled consistent speed. With the formation, Disciples were at a far lower risk of absorbing impure qi, and using the formation didn’t introduce any toxins into the body.
For normal cultivators with limited access to regular pills, the formation would be far, far more valuable than the pill. For me, it wouldn’t change my behavior too much at the Disciple level, but it would be useful for my subjects after I reached the Ruler tier, and if I learned higher ranks of the skill, it could be a definite improvement to my cultivation speed as a Grandmaster.
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The final topic I studied during these years was how to properly nurture talents as a future Water Groom. I took several classes for this in the Mountain District, and I disagreed with many of the lessons, but there were several that stood out in my mind.
The first was focused on how to manage a domain. According to the teacher, the key was maintaining a proper hierarchy. A Lord should manage his Grandmasters, Grandmasters should manage their Masters, Masters manage Disciples, and Disciples handle the mortals. Only by maintaining the proper hierarchy could a domain advance as a united whole.
She gave us an example of a Lord who directly managed both the Masters and Disciples below him. His domain became much more powerful under his leadership, but after he stepped down, the Grandmaster who replaced him didn’t have the experience necessary to govern as a Lord.
I could understand the reasoning behind this idea, but the strict hierarchy she described felt like too much. I felt that while a Lord shouldn’t micromanage, they would still need to be involved in all parts of their domain. While they can and should delegate, that doesn’t mean completely stepping away from overseeing the events on the ground.
Of course, I was viewing this from the perspective of the old world. Things were different here, and this might be a necessary difference. I wasn’t sure.
The second part that stood out was when she talked about helping others with their cultivation. It was made clear that what I did with Mei and SuYin was considered extremely improper, especially regarding Mei. I directly controlled her qi during her Master and Grandmaster advancements. According to the instructor, this would lead to a cultivator not understanding their own cultivation base. This would not do too much damage to the one who was helped, but it would lead to them being unable to properly function as a Lord. They wouldn’t have the experience necessary to nurture their followers.
This made me wonder how Mei was handling things. If it was as bad as the instructor implied, she might be struggling to improve her domain, but her blessing should be providing some assistance at least.
The final part that stood out was when the instructor talked about the Jianghu, which I hadn’t heard anyone mention since Elder Mu in the Twin Mountains Sect.
“Struggle is the foundation of cultivation,” she said. “We struggle against the heavens, pushing our lifespans far beyond what is natural. We struggle when fighting others, when taming beasts, when growing plants. Struggle is the essence of life.”
She looked each of us in the eye. “Struggle is life, life is struggle” she repeated. “You can’t separate the two. That is the essence of the Jianghu. The Jianghu exists everywhere, and it cannot be eliminated. If you try, if you want to make life free of struggle, it will not work.”
She handed out several sheets of paper with statistics regarding prices for various foodstuffs.
“When there is no rice, mortals will fight each other for a single grain. When there is rice in abundance, they will fight for chickens. When everyone has chickens, they will fight for beef. The cycle is endless. It doesn’t matter how much they are provided. They will still struggle against each other for what they see themselves as lacking.”
She placed several books in front of us. “For more information on the topic, read these histories. When Rulers have tried their hardest to eliminate the Jianghu in their territories, they have always failed. Every time it was tried, the suppression of the struggle between men has led to the slow decline of the Ruler’s domain.”
I thought back to what happened in the Wastes. This was the situation the teacher was talking about. The Jianghu had been suppressed, but it didn’t end in a slow decline, it led to a bloody massacre of countless innocent lives.
Was the Jianghu a fact of human nature? Did humans need to fight like this to advance?
I shook my head silently. No, there was nothing human about this. I couldn’t be sure about the histories the instructor referenced, but the massacre in the Wastes was not simply caused by human nature. Still, if a pattern of interference had repeated itself multiple times, it clearly showed that someone wanted the Jianghu to remain.
“We cannot eliminate the struggle, so we must direct it,” continued the teacher. “There are several methods for doing so, most of which involve sanctioned competitions. However, you must be careful that such competitions do not destroy the peace and prosperity of your domain. If someone dies in a martial competition, for example, it may cause a blood feud between two clans that ends with both of them destroyed.”
She pointed out several more books behind her. “There are suggestions of how to implement safe competitions within these, but there is no such thing as a bloodless competition. Carefully read the potential negative impacts and calamities each form of competition may cause before attempting any of them.”
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Three years after coming to Hundred Flower City, the King Selection took place. While I did take notes about it, I didn’t involve myself in the festivities. I had no interest in pursuing a position as Eight Flower King in this life.
The day after the new king was crowned, LiPin met me in my workshop.
“Several clans wish to meet with you to discuss a deal,” she said frantically. “We’ve had over two dozen organizations contact us today. Manager Bai is dealing with it, but you need to be prepared. She isn’t in a good mood.”
Comments
Maybe I should include these thoughts in the story, but if the next Lord is unable to raise future successors to the domain, that would seem to be a negate impact on the karma of the domain. So, a Lord might be quickly raising his disciples to replace him, but at the same time his own cultivation is beginning to stall and he doesn't know why. It's a result of negative effects from his actions two generations down the line. And, while there would be other ways to guide your followers, cultivation is central to any of it in this world. You can't advance as a professional with advancing your cultivation, so if your ability to help in that area is limited, it will limit you everywhere I think.
Greg Tolley
2024-05-07 03:13:05 +0000 UTC> The second part that stood out was when she talked about helping others with their cultivation. It was made clear that what I did with Mei and SuYin was considered extremely improper, especially regarding Mei. I directly controlled her qi during her Master and Grandmaster advancements. According to the instructor, this would lead to a cultivator not understanding their own cultivation base. This would not do too much damage to the one who was helped, but it would lead to them being unable to properly function as a Lord. They wouldn’t have the experience necessary to nurture their followers. Is being able to guide your followers through cultivation that central to being a Lord? I can see it being one path to success, but surely it is not the only one, to the point where not having that skillset makes you "unable to properly function as a Lord". Off the top of my head, you could do any number of other things to improve your domain: - Guide followers in something other than cultivation, like a profession or martial arts - Use either diplomacy or martial might to resolve troubles of the state, internally or externally - Build infrastructure (such as formations) to improve the land and its people - etc And that is all before we count the option of just hitching your horse to a higher power, providing them something valuable, and getting the support you need to ascend that way. So all in all, if guiding a disciple brings them much greater success in their own cultivation and the only cost is their own ability to pass down cultivation teachings to others, that hardly seems like a crippling downside. IMO if these are the terms, the tradeoff seems well worth it.
PrimalShadow
2024-05-07 02:53:28 +0000 UTCThanks for the chapter!
Gopard
2024-05-06 22:16:13 +0000 UTCIn a future life, someone is going to realize Su Feng's room is a grandmaster level cultivation chamber and is going to be very very impressed.
Stephen Weinberg
2024-05-06 19:02:58 +0000 UTCThanks
Greg Tolley
2024-05-06 17:30:00 +0000 UTCReread and found a spelling mistake " A few other clans stepped forward to offer me deals, but they were swiftly rejected my Manager Bai." My->by
Or vidan peled
2024-05-06 17:23:17 +0000 UTCThe resets are orchistrated by the Heavenly Dao, so thinks working on that level would be able to do cross reset influences. It was incredibly important that his oath got restricted to this life.
Ninetails
2024-05-06 15:42:04 +0000 UTCIn general, price of Perfect pills are the price of Perfect pills. No one is going to sweat about the difference between 90% and 120% efficacy. To my mind, when a Perfect pill is on the market and you have the money for it, you buy it. At lower ranks, in areas where they are more common, I would say this changes to a cost per % point, but as long as there is any supply bottle neck, you get the pills you get whenever you can. With High-Purity, efficacy would be a significant factor in the price, though. You want to get the most bang for the toxin you are consuming. My general rule of thumb is 80%+ profit margin on ingredients for 90% High-Purity pills. Perfect pills the ingredient cost would be negligible. 500gold for a 10k gold pill. But yeah, for Su Fang in every day crafting, it isn't worth the time required unless he is doing it for practice.
Greg Tolley
2024-05-06 14:48:21 +0000 UTCI do hope we go more in depth on formation making! I really liked the in depth journey in alchemy, and would love to also get to understand formation making more!
Sammot
2024-05-06 14:46:34 +0000 UTC> Some Rank 3 herbs were extremely rare, such as the Fire Dragon’s Tongue Fruit which was necessary for temporarily boosting fire affinity. An alchemist didn’t have the luxury of only selecting ideal herbs in such a situation and had to work with what was available. Once I mastered this skill at higher ranks, it would mean changing what might have been a pill at 70% efficacy into one with 140% efficacy after all the other bonuses were applied. This would still only be worth doing for really rare herbs or in contests, right? For everyday crafting this is not worth the time. I guess the main question here is how much of a pill's price goes into just the ingredients vs the alchemist's labor. Considering how Feng was able to buy three of every standard ingredient the Pavilion offered without needing to sweat about paying for it, I'm assuming that the cost of standard ingredients is small compared to the value of perfect pills than Fang makes. It is only when you get to exotics of one form or another that spending the time to improve them becomes worthwhile.
PrimalShadow
2024-05-06 14:38:27 +0000 UTCIn a future run, I wonder if the Grandmaster who made the oath is going to die. That would be interesting and let him know that oaths transcend restarts. What does the Heavenly Dao care that you don't remember making the oath?
Stephen Weinberg
2024-05-06 14:32:36 +0000 UTCshe doesn't have the connections or any kinds of money or other things to offer and her blessing isn't that strong :P and how or what could she offer a lord level assassin to do this when her blessing isn't aware of the loops as stated in a earlier comment so it would feel the loss if he dies rather than a gain from killing him :P
jean
2024-05-06 14:26:01 +0000 UTCwhile i understand he doesn't like the jianghu and is giving examples of how its a part of life just because he disagree with it doesn't mean it isn't true it exist in his last world just more suppressed and less bloody but it exist if he thinks someone is behind it its either the dao or every human that exist even him if he thinks he knows better or try to disband the jianghu for a better way congrats you are the only one who thinks like this and everyone else is thinking and knows from history that its just a part of life and people are bloodthirsty especially with cultivation affecting mentality so its either gonna be him against the world norm or he is gonna adapt to this worlds logic :P he can't compare his previous world to this one our world doesn't have walking super humans or nukes in human form walking around with god complex and living longer and wants to advance to live longer and get stronger the worlds basic difference can't be compared to him thinking his previous world is better than the current one he is in i mean throw in cultivation in our world and i promise we are also gonna develop jianghu like they did in old times with martial arts.... so comparing and thinking you know better just because you know of a different world were its possible isn't gonna cut it here :P
jean
2024-05-06 14:14:17 +0000 UTCHere's a baseless theory that I'm only sharing so I can claim I knew it all along if it turns out to be true. Mei, or more specifically, Mei's gift, was the one who hired the assassin to kill him.
Akkido
2024-05-06 13:54:42 +0000 UTCFirst part, yeah, spoilery. Simple answer is that it's just the way the world works and no one at this level knows why. Regarding the Dao, I'll see if I can work more of this into the story. Basically, the Dao is the set of laws that govern the world. The Earthly Dao is the laws that govern this one world, and it is a subset of the Heavenly Dao which governs a system of worlds. The Dao cannot think and has not desires. It just is. An incarnation of the Dao is a mind which emerges from that set of laws. It can wield the power that comes from the Dao, but is also bound by the restrictions of the Dao (imposed by the higher-level Daos). I has its own motives an goals, but is tied to the Dao it sprang from. Unlike a human, an incarnation cannot cultivate on its own. If it wants to advance, it must push the entire world to advance.
Greg Tolley
2024-05-06 13:06:08 +0000 UTCHmm, that's a good point. The idea was that the suppression only applied to the general populace and the low levels of each faction, but at the higher levels, the key factions would begin encouraging competition instead of suppressing it. We don't see much outside the factions, and only spend one life as a nominal disciple, so it is less impactful. I'll think about how this could be improved upon.
Greg Tolley
2024-05-06 12:57:27 +0000 UTCThat's a really hood chapter showing progress in most things he had bought. I do have a couple of questions though. We know there can't be any lords in the wastes, but we never learn why, it's probably something spoilery, right? Another thing what's the difference between the heavenly dao, the earthly dao and the earthly dao incarnation? From what i could glean from the 3 conversation one of which has been retconed out of the story is that the heavenly dao controls a bunch of planets at a range of about a galaxy, the earthly dao is a being subservient to the HD that controls this world specifically and the earthly dao incarnation is either a body controlled by the ED or a soul subservient to ED that interacts with the world where ED can't, i really wish this part was explained better
Or vidan peled
2024-05-06 12:56:02 +0000 UTCThe story says that Jianghu is suppressed in the Wastes, but never shows it. Indeed it shows the opposite with everyone constantly at everyones throats with the sole exception of the group that was literally brainwashed to be nicer.
Joseph
2024-05-06 12:53:21 +0000 UTCMy meaning here was that he can already rush through the Disciple levels at a blazing pace with only pills, so adding formations is somewhat unnecessary. It may help, but not to a meaningful degree.
Greg Tolley
2024-05-06 12:45:36 +0000 UTCSo he can make formations with his spirit fire/fire seed. That is going to be quite useful for him. I also find it quite weird that he does not think he can speed up his cultivation at the disciple level with such a formation, but it can help at the grandmaster level. Both of those levels are primarily about absorbing qi. The only reason i can think off would be because disciple level is mainly slowed down by waiting, but using a formation should still make the foundation build there more natural and less rushed compared to a pill, so one should expect him to need less time for the qi to calm down.
Ninetails
2024-05-06 12:34:53 +0000 UTC"Manager Bai is dealing with it, but you need to be prepared. She isn’t in a good mood." Hmm, I don't think we've ever seen her in a good mood, hehe. Thanks for the chapter!
Game Devil
2024-05-06 12:28:38 +0000 UTCYummm very interesting I like his quirk changing the formations oath
Rah
2024-05-06 12:10:41 +0000 UTC