Chapter 85 – Life 61, Age 27, Martial Grandmaster Peak
Added 2024-05-07 12:00:00 +0000 UTCI entrusted Manager Bai with handling any requests that came in from these new potential clients. In truth, I didn’t count on gaining anything from them. While they may have specialties in areas where I was lacking, if they were poised to make an offer as generous as the Hu Clan, they wouldn’t have ignored me for several years.
She gave me notes on some of the offers available, but when it came time to decide how to proceed with these negotiations, it was not Manager Bai who came to talk to me. It was Alchemist Li who I hadn’t seen since my registration exam when I first entered the city.
“Su Fang, how have you been? Has Eight Flower been treating you well?” he asked in a grandfatherly manner.
“Alchemist Li.” I bowed to the older man. “Thank you. I have been very well.”
“Come and sit, let’s talk about your future,” he said, guiding me to sit in one of the Workshops’ conference rooms. “I have been paying close attention to your progress. It seems you have made great strides in filling those gaps in your knowledge.”
“Thank you, Alchemist Li.” I cupped my hands in salute to him. “I have done my best to learn what I can here. There are many new herbs to explore.”
The older man took out a small pill bottle, poured out the pill inside, and held it up to the light.
“You have indeed been progressing very well,” he said in admiration. “I must admit, your ability to mend medicinal energy has even surpassed my own, and I’ve been studying for centuries.”
That comment made me wince internally, but I tried to hide my reaction.
“So, what are your plans?” he asked. “You’ve reached the peak of Grandmaster Alchemist, and you are only a few decades old. How do you plan to move forward?”
This was something I had thought about for a long time, and while I had made my decision, it still made me anxious.
“I’m going to compete for the position of Water Groom.”
Alchemist Li stroked his beard in thought. “Your friend is the Water Flower, right? It’s not a terrible choice. You will have a solid position as a Lord, and with your skills, you may reach Peak Lord by the end of your term. As long as you are willing to do the necessary work, that is.”
I wasn’t sure how to reply to that, so I kept my silence.
“There are other paths open to you if you wish to take them,” he said meaningfully.
“Yes,” I agreed. “Manager Bai has informed me of the new King’s offer. I would become his direct subordinate, and in return, he would use a special technique to share a portion of the karmic energy he receives and allow me to ascend to Lord.”
Alchemist Li nodded. “The new Eight Flower King is a powerful alchemist in his own right. He isn’t quite as skilled as you are, but his blessing more than makes up for his deficiencies. Right now, he is only a Grandmaster like you, but with the karmic energy of his new position, he will quickly rise through the Lord realm and ascend further. I doubt his alchemy skills will keep pace, I expect him to stall in the mid-Pill Lord stages, but if you prove yourself a valued ally, you may be able to ride his coattails for the next King selection in twenty years.”
“It’s not the right fit for me,” I stated firmly. “I’ve looked into the man. His connections are all downward, to people below him. Following him will only be placing chains on myself that won’t allow me to rise beyond early Lord.”
“What do you want, then?” asked Li. A small smile was hidden under his beard.
I felt a weight in his question. This was a time to be clear. “I want to become a Rank 5 alchemist and formation master, and I want to become a true city lord with actual authority so that I can test certain ideas I have for city development.”
Li nodded at what I said, but a resigned expression crossed his face. “I would offer you a position as my disciple, but I could only teach you a bit of alchemy, and the city lord position I could arrange through the Pavilion would only be a nominal one.”
I wasn’t sure how skilled Alchemist Li was, I had only ever heard him referred to as Alchemist, no one ever mentioned his realm, but I had the feeling he was far beyond me. Thinking this, I began to speak to voice my wavering conviction and offer to accept such a position, but he waved me off.
“The timing isn’t right,” he said ruefully. “I don’t have much time left, so there may not be another chance, but I can that feel now just isn’t the right time.” He tapped his temple with two fingers.
It was his blessing. His blessing gave him some type of knowledge about timing events properly. It was an interesting blessing for an alchemist to have, and I could see some great potential benefits depending on the specifics of how it worked.
“For now, I’ll do what’s proper for an old man like me when meeting a young up-and-comer like you and give you three gifts.” He grinned widely. “First, do you know what separates Ruler Tier alchemy from Warrior Tier alchemy?”
I was thrown off by his change in topic but quickly regained my balance. “Not exactly. The most I have been able to learn is that Ruler Tier alchemy requires a Profound Rank spirit fire.”
Li shook his head. “No, not right. You can get by with worse in the Lord realm, though you won’t be happy about it.”
He took out a small cauldron and a strange herb from his storage bag.
“This is a Rank 4 herb,” he said, holding it up. “It can be refined into a somewhat basic pill by itself. Please, go ahead and try it.”
A bit worried, I approached the cauldron and got to work. I approached the task as I would with any Rank 3 pill, but when I closely examined the medicinal energy, I was stunned. It existed only as small flecks suspended within a sea of toxins.
I started to burn away the toxins carefully. It took significantly more energy than I was used to, but it was manageable by relying on my fire seed. At this point, based on the way he talked, I wasn’t worried about Alchemist Li being greedy for a Yellow Rank seed, so I used it freely in front of him.
My control and power were sufficient to refine this herb, which surprised me. This would mean I could begin making at least some Rank 4 pills. However, the moment one of the flecks of medicinal energy was freed from the toxins, it fluttered into the air and dispersed. Thinking this was a bad coincidence, I freed another bit of energy, but it also fluttered away and vanished into the air.
After my third attempt, I put the herb down in defeat and looked at Li.
The alchemist grinned at me. “Alright,” he said, “now, punch me.”
“What?”
“Punch me as hard as you can. Don’t worry, you can’t hurt me. Put all your strength behind your fist and punch me anywhere you want.”
I was confused, but I was willing to follow his command. I balled a first and punched directly at his chest.
Halfway to its target, my fist froze in the air. I could neither move it forward nor backward.
“This is the difference between a Warrior and a Ruler,” the old man said. “After forming a core of karma, the Ruler is connected to the world on a fundamental level, and this provides them with some amount of control over it. I am not using qi to hold you in place. I am using only my will and my connection to the world. To be a Pill Lord, you will need to be able to impose your will onto herbs while concocting to prevent them from dispersing. Otherwise, you will never be able to make anything beyond Rank 3.”
I looked at the ruined herb that was still sitting in the cauldron. If he could use his ‘will’ to lock my body in place, then he could also use it to lock down the medicinal energy and keep it from dispersing, but wasn’t there another way?
“Won’t high enough affinities be just as good?” I asked. “If it’s just a matter of keeping the medicinal energy from dispersing, affinities should also work.”
Li rubbed his hands in excitement. “Yes, they should, but that’s its own problem. From my tests, I estimate you need a Peak five-star affinity for Lord-level pills, Peak four-star for King-level, and Peak three-star for Emperor-level, and not just for fire affinity either. You will need this level of affinity for each element of medicinal energy you want to be able to use. Far easier to just raise your cultivation, wouldn’t you say?”
In the short term, I couldn’t help but agree he was right, but long term? Affinities were something I could have from the beginning, long before I could raise my cultivation level to match.
“For my second gift, I will give you this,” he said, pulling out a thick, worn book. “It has many of my thoughts and recipes regarding Rank 4 alchemy. It should be of great help to you in the near future.”
My eyes widened in shock. “This is too precious. I can’t take it.”
“Then throw it away. I no longer have need of it, and I am giving it to you,” he said, placing the book on the table and dismissing it from his thoughts.
Both reluctant and greedy, I picked it up and carefully placed it into my storage bag. My only regret was not being able to carry such an important text with me into future lives. Since it was Rank 4 knowledge, my mental library couldn’t store it, and the book was far too large for my limited storage space.
“Finally,” he said, taking out a jade box and placing it on the table, “to do proper alchemy you need a proper spirit fire. It will take you some adjustment to get used to using a simple spirit fire instead of that seed of yours, but you’ll find this one to be much more suitable. It’s the fire-based Three Thousand Flames Spirit Fire. With this one, you won’t be able to pull off some of the tricks you can with your earth and water flame, but you also only need to worry about finding a way to improve your fire affinity.”
I stared at the box. “What level is this spirit fire?” I had to ask.
Alchemist Li just gave me a simple smile, stood up, and began to leave the room. Before he did, he turned back and tossed a small coin at me.
“If the time is ever right, come to the Pavilion’s main branch in the central region. I don’t know how much longer I’ll be around, but when you do, just show them that coin and ask to see Pill Emperor Li.”
Stunned by his words, I barely noticed when he disappeared from my sight.
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After Emperor Li left, my first thought was to suicide and immediately go to search him out to become his disciple. That feeling only lasted for a second before I regained my composure. Such actions would be meaningless.
Emperor Li was relying on some kind of blessing in his dealings with me, and if it didn’t want him to accept me as a disciple now, simply restarting probably wouldn’t change that.
His gifts significantly boosted my chances of completing my plans for this life. I would wait a few years, take over North Lake City, and see about transforming it into a haven of peace and prosperity.
Comments
5* peak to control the whole herb for an hour, 6* peak to do it in bursts, as per author's previous comment. I then hypthesize that 7* peak or 6* low is enough to affect a small part of the herb in bursts.
PrimalShadow
2024-05-08 12:58:25 +0000 UTCBut the mentioned requirement for doing this for Lord rank pills was peak 5 star affinity, not peak 6 star affinity, meaning it would require the affinity level where he could have made the rank above perfectly if he could keep it still, not just the same as making it perfect for this herb. With that taken into account, he is not really that close to being able to hold it down.
Ninetails
2024-05-08 04:10:58 +0000 UTCty, makes alot more sense now.
Amazon Shopper
2024-05-08 02:50:05 +0000 UTCThis was mentioned briefly in chapter 47 when cultivation in the Ruler tier is originally introduced: > To become a Martial Lord, you must become a city lord and infuse the karmic energy from that city into your cultivation. As the city prospers, so will its Lord. To become a Martial King, you must rule a kingdom, and Martial Emperors must rule an empire. It is possible to advance to False Lord, where your cultivation base lacks this karmic energy. This will give you additional power, but it will not extend your lifespan, and you will never be able to progress further It is also touched on in chapter 59 when Fang learned about being able to rent an empire: > By the ‘the forces that control the world,’ I knew who he was talking about. I could understand that from that being’s point of view, the details weren’t important. An empire improved, a cultivator advanced. It didn’t care who. These snippets mention "prospering" and "improving" respectively, though it hasn't been particularly emphasized.
PrimalShadow
2024-05-08 01:20:34 +0000 UTCThat is reasonable as far as world-building goes, but this needs to be conveyed in-setting as well. You need to show that: - That the refinement would require extended effort, rather than just being something that is one-and-done like what he worked with at lower ranks - That the rank 4 medicinal energies were more difficult to manipulate Maybe for his third attempt at freeing a fleck, have him try to keep the fleck from fluttering away with energy control, but find this approach intractable. With a 6* low affinity, I imagine at least momentarily holding a single fleck in place is fine, since 6* peak could hold the whole herb's medicinal energies in place for short burst. So then, depending on how difficult you want this to appear, Feng could: a) try to keep the fleck in place with energy control, but persist only for a few moments before losing control. Or b) manage keep the fleck in place longer despite the growing strain, but have his control collapse when he tries to add on another flake. In any case, a paragraph outlining this process lets you demonstrate that this is unmanageable with his current level of affinity, while having a chance to examine why that is.
PrimalShadow
2024-05-08 00:50:08 +0000 UTCNow that you say it, I'm not actually sure. I'll have to go through and check. It might have been something I assumed I put in there without actually saying it.
Greg Tolley
2024-05-08 00:06:00 +0000 UTCi don't remember that being said earlier, is there any specific chapter that said that the amount of karmic energy is related to the prosperity of its people?
Amazon Shopper
2024-05-07 21:00:45 +0000 UTCI like Specialist for a general term for one who focuses on formations and Master for one who has gained a level of mastery of them. If you use the same term with upper and lower case it will get confusing especially if you have an audio book made in the future.
Aaron Johnson
2024-05-07 16:05:51 +0000 UTCYea, I've been thinking about this as I've been writing recently, and haven't made a final decision. I was thinking, would 'formation master' lower case be good for the general term and 'Formation Master,' upper case be good for the rank, or would that be more confusing than anything? 阵师 is the chinese, and it's usually translated as formation master or array master. 阵 - formation/array 师 - teacher, master, specialist If I were to switch to a different translation, I think 'formation specialist' might be the best approach. That doesn't have the same connotations of expertise that 'expert' or 'master' has either.
Greg Tolley
2024-05-07 15:06:21 +0000 UTCIt has been talked about before, but I really think you should use terms like "Formation Disciple" and "Formation Lord". For the general term, just use "Formation Expert".
Stephen Weinberg
2024-05-07 14:53:22 +0000 UTCYeah, she knows that but still avoided him for 3 years atleast, it's probably her blessing working, but whever she actually wants a real relationship or not is still up to her, she was hella scared without her blessing.
Or vidan peled
2024-05-07 14:52:00 +0000 UTCBut also her 'only' chance of having a real relationship without her blessing interfering.
Oliverthms
2024-05-07 14:49:30 +0000 UTCThanks
Greg Tolley
2024-05-07 14:44:23 +0000 UTCTftc. I think there is a typo. "If he could use his ‘his’ to lock.."
Dave32
2024-05-07 14:43:22 +0000 UTCThat was a good chapter,i guess that explains why Li was never a huge douch when they first met, beinga cultivator at the end of his lifespan, probably gonna see him in future loops with that coin. Also the whole territory thing is going to blow so hard in his face even if the dao doesn't fuck up there is still the question if mei would even let him become a groom, because as you know they aren't on the best of terms.
Or vidan peled
2024-05-07 14:21:54 +0000 UTCHe needs to grab it and shove the two together, but stabilizing the energy and keeping it stable throughout the entire process feels much more demanding and requiring a higher affinity. Also, it was something he could do with Rank 1 herbs at 9*, he couldn't do with with Rank 2 herbs until he improved to 8*. Returning to what Ninetails said, it isn't just power vs precision, it is about sustained power over time. To me, any sustained process takes more strength. Like, someone could lift a 500lb weight over their head, but how long could they hold even a 250lb weight over their head? A 6* peak affinity would be someone who can lift the 500lbs and thus do the work needed manipulate energy in short bursts. To do this alchemy without Ruler suppression, it would require someone able to hold a 500lb weight above his head for over an hour. To make Perfect Rank 4 pills, you need someone that can hold up the 500lb weight for over an hour while also being able to concentrate enough to carefully pull out small chunks. Also, needed suppression would grow with realm. Rank 5 herbs need King rank suppression to hold them in place, a Lord's strength isn't enough, so I think it's natural that affinity would grow like this too. Maybe a combination of strong lord suppression and pretty high affinities can combine to lower the restriction a little, but it shouldn't be much.
Greg Tolley
2024-05-07 13:38:48 +0000 UTCHmm, maybe should be changed a bit, but he cares about it because advancing as a Lord is all about improving the prosperity of your domain. The more prosperous it is, the more karmic energy he will get from it. In my mind, peace goes with prosperity, but as we've seen, that might not work in this world.
Greg Tolley
2024-05-07 13:28:08 +0000 UTCTftc. Tho where did the haven of peace and prosperity come from and why does he care about that?
Amazon Shopper
2024-05-07 13:21:42 +0000 UTCI worry his expedition in city management is going to go horribly wrong if he's angling for emphasizing peace. Sounds like he's thinking about undercutting the Jianghu, which might even see the Dao orchestrating things against him, given its actions in the Waste. On the bright side, Li sounds like an amazing find and a viable path through the Ruler realm in the future, especially since it seems like over different timelines his blessing can put him where Fang needs him.
DrSubterfuge
2024-05-07 13:20:28 +0000 UTCDoesn't he need to grab the entire energy of a herb and feed it to the next herb in line when normally making pills? If so it seems like grabbing all the enrgy is something he could do even with 9* affinity.
PrimalShadow
2024-05-07 13:12:52 +0000 UTCIt makes a lot of sense that the combined perfect+early is a higher requirement. As for what it takes, it is a bit of an "precision vs power" debate, because holding it still will take more power, but extracting internal parts and patching it back up will take a lot more precision and delicate handling. One thing to consider is whether you want "do it early" to be that much harder than "do it perfectly". If "do it perfectly" is easier, it would also indicate that perfect pills become much more of a norm at higher levels. There is also the point that rank 5 and 6 alchemy has such excessive requirements too, but at that point you are not crossing tier boundaries (if you are only doing it from 1 rank below) and have access to that suppression effect, so it does not make sense for the requirements to be equally restrictive. I would instead expect these to be the requirements if you are only using affinity and not receiving any support, in other words them being the affinity requirements to do these things while being only in the warrior tier. I would then expect that for a ruler doing higher ranks the actual affinity requirements would be based on a combination of how good their normal suppresion effect is and through that how much their affinity has to support that affect. On top of this, then with the increase in cost scaling for the 6* to 4*, one would expect there to be some qualitative difference between these and the warrior equivalent affinities, but so far we have seen none, and these high affinity requirements seem to also point toward there not really being that much of a difference.
Ninetails
2024-05-07 13:08:18 +0000 UTCThanks for the chapter!
Gopard
2024-05-07 12:59:10 +0000 UTCHmm, maybe Peak is excessive, but I do believe maintaining the entire structure in place as you work would be need a higher level of affinity. What he has done before is basically carefully pry a small area of energy apart, toss in a flame, then close it up. This would be maintaining a constant effect across the entire herb while simultaneously working on the toxins. Possibly, though, it might be fairer to set regular Lord alchemy at Mid 5-star, and make Peak 5-star the requirement for perfection because you have to both hold nearly all the energy in place while manipulating open a small bit of it.
Greg Tolley
2024-05-07 12:53:49 +0000 UTCThose are some interesting revelations about the difference between warrior and ruler tier. There really is a big difference between the tiers that are hard to overcome. It was also a pleasant surprise that his technique is mostly ready for rank 4 alchemy, and he mainly just need to advance his cultivation to get started with it. The affinity requirements to deal with the medical energy escaping seems excessive. Logically one would expect them to be at a similar level to where he can dig through it for toxins, meaning peak of its corresponding level. It seems a bit weird that he needs an entire star higher rank to change from "digging carefully through it without damaging it" to "just hold it still". I would even argue that one would expect that "just hold it still" would be easier and therefore have a lower affinity requirement.
Ninetails
2024-05-07 12:37:03 +0000 UTCI like this chapter, and I like that he finally found a possible mentor. Hoping the Emperor Li becomes a significant side character, that maybe become even a family/parental figure
Slycerr
2024-05-07 12:12:17 +0000 UTC