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[YT Edit] Oppenheimer (2023)
Added 2025-04-10 21:51:35 +0000 UTCHey guys! Here is the YT edit for Oppenheimer which is currently having copyright issues... Luckily we're safe here on patreon... for now. Enjoy!!!
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This finally got posted to YouTube so I watched the reaction and thought it was great. One thing I wanted to add, based on your comments at the end, in your final thoughts, was regarding how it's crazy that countries have these weapons and we all just accept that nobody will use them on each other again. Since WWII the US has largely been responsible for providing a "nuclear umbrella" of protection for most of the free world. Other countries allied with the US had nuclear weapons, but largely were relying on US technology for them to operate correctly in case of an attack. Frace was the major exception to this, with their own fully independent nuclear deterrent. Recently the US has been complaining that other countries weren't paying enough and putting forth enough effort into providing for their own defense, saying it shouldn't just be the responsibility of the US to protect everyone else. This is despite, as you can see in this movie, that this is how the US set things up to be. Anyway, with the US now making new alliances with our former enemies while alienating and threatening our former allies (I'm sure Canadians know all too well what I'm referring to), this is leading countries who never developed nuclear weapons to say that they will begin exploring doing so now. This includes both Germany and Japan, who of course were the countries the world was fighting against in WWII. Personally I think it's more dangerous to have increasing numbers of countries with their own nuclear arsenals. Seems like the US is determined to return the world back to what it was before all the alliances and trade agreements that came out of WWII, back to a time when there were many different countries all vying for power and itching to go to battle with each other, only this time they'll all have nukes. This is why the end of this movie is such a gut punch, because Oppenheimer says that he believed that when they detonated the bomb at Trinity that they started a chain reaction which will eventually destroy the world.
Stranger2Reality
2025-04-20 05:03:04 +0000 UTC"Now I am become Clay, the destroyer of comment threads"
Thoko
2025-04-13 10:01:33 +0000 UTCTheres a History Channel Modern Marvels episode ( https://youtu.be/chpulTihCxY ) and a Veritasium video ( https://youtu.be/Xzv84ZdtlE0 ) all on Youtube. Theres allso a good TV show call Manhattan (2014) just 23 episodes about the scientists, soldiers and families in Los Alamos, NM.
Arturo
2025-04-13 08:40:25 +0000 UTCHehe I saw you on Popcorn request 😃 Thanks for the request 😊 Don't forget to request Meander 😜
Björn Karlsson
2025-04-12 22:58:49 +0000 UTCI always liked the Paul Newman/John Cusack version, "Shadow Makers" (1987), but it seems to have vanished in the mists of time. Well worth a look if you ever want to revisit the story later.
Clarence Newman
2025-04-12 20:53:20 +0000 UTCstuck in copyright stuff
Cassie
2025-04-12 19:32:27 +0000 UTCThis isn't up on the YouTube channel, just FYI. Dunno if it ever showed up there or if it got pulled for copyright reasons.
Stranger2Reality
2025-04-12 19:31:57 +0000 UTCI think one of this movie's real strengths is that it presents all sides of many different moral quandaries surrounding so many things that shaped the world that we all now inhabit. It shows the brazen way that Oppenheimer rushed into to his "greatest achievement" and then the regret he had evermore for what he accomplished. It's truly an amazing accomplishment of a film. That last conversation with Einstein at the end hits like a gut punch. What's most heartbreaking to me is that after the war investigations led to the discovery that Germany had never really tried to make any atomic weapons. If the US had not gone on and created the bomb, it's entirely possible that nobody else ever would have, because the process of creating it was so time, money and labor intensive, that really only the US could have done it. Once the Americans demonstrated to the world that it was possible, then it forced others to follow. Oppenheimer really was Prometheus.
Stranger2Reality
2025-04-12 19:28:24 +0000 UTCThe 7-episode 1980 series "Oppenheimer" starring Sam Waterson is IMO the definitive look at the man and the making of the bomb. Just an excellent show, highly recommended.
Joe J
2025-04-12 16:33:27 +0000 UTCIt's been surprising that he's become so synonymous with Marvel. I really wouldn't have guessed that earlier in his career. Some of his early roles were Oscar-caliber. He was incredible in Less Than Zero and Chaplin. Can't blame him for using his God-given talent to make some real bank though. And he definitely lent his cache to the superhero genre, which they should still be thanking him for.
Chris Thom
2025-04-12 11:36:18 +0000 UTC@Baron Imhoof Trying to invade the mainland of Japan would be more horrifying casualties wise than dropping the bombs. Dropping the bombs was the only way to convince them to surrender because of their code of honor. The Klingons by the way from Star Trek were inspired by the Japanese, despite being symbolic of the USSR. Trying to convince the Japanese to surrender without the bombs is like trying to convince the Klingons to surrender. You would know how that would turn out with them…
Anthony Carlson
2025-04-12 02:41:20 +0000 UTC"Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."
Clay F
2025-04-12 00:56:54 +0000 UTCTrinity was not a mockup of anything. It was a fat man. Little Boy didn't require testing honestly, they knew it would work because of its simple gun design. Also it couldn't be tested because not enough fissile material could be made to manufacture two of them. Plutonium was made in a breeder reactor and could be created many times more quickly. Deep dive here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee1u4qjHUhE&pp=ygUndW5hdXRob3JpemVkIGhpc3Rvcnkgb2YgdGhlIHBhY2lmaWMgd2Fy
Bill Isaacs
2025-04-12 00:49:10 +0000 UTCInteresting comment. Two historians and a retired Navy Commodore discuss this in an episode of Unauthorized History of the Pacific War.from a few weeks ago: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=frLAX8LtoVg&pp=ygUndW5hdXRob3JpemVkIGhpc3Rvcnkgb2YgdGhlIHBhY2lmaWMgd2Fy
Bill Isaacs
2025-04-12 00:43:08 +0000 UTCNow might be the perfect time to get the first documentary on the channel with Fog of War.
Chris Thom
2025-04-11 23:20:09 +0000 UTCRobert Downey Jr turned in fantastic performances as Iron Man and Sherlock Holmes but had perhaps been underrated because of the kind of films those were. Yet I look at him opposite Chris Evans at the end of Civil War and he literally saves that performance. His anguish is what makes the story work and he performs it perfectly. Seeing him here turn in yet another great performance and seeing it recognized in the way playing Iron Man would never be acknowledged is satisfying and yet frustrating too. There's this idea that only a "certain kind" of film can have a great performance and to me that's a terribly patronizing attitude. So I have to say that I admire how your viewing takes all movies for what they are without insisting that some are serious and some trivial. I like that you let the movie be itself and respond to it by being yourself.
James Melton
2025-04-11 22:51:54 +0000 UTCThis movie is about the scientist caught in the politics of the 20th century. So there is an enormous amount of rationalization in the movie (and in comments I might add) justifying all of the steps different people took. The heartbreaking aspect is how difficult it is to understand what is right in such a world when you have the kind of power Oppenheimer held purely because of his scientific insight into the workings of the universe.
James Melton
2025-04-11 19:12:35 +0000 UTCjdj830 - in 1945 there was no real moral dilemma with the bomb. It was an estimate of losing an estimated 1 million American troops (and troop losses in the Pacific always proved to be less than actual outcomes of battles) and three times as many Japanese civilans, or dropping the bomb. Also, American animosity toward the Japanese was much greater than the Nazis because of Pearl Harbor and because of the savagery of the Pacific War. My Uncle (my grandmother's brother) a Marine, put it succinctly: "The Japanese didn't surrender. And the Marines didn't take prisoners." In fact, the Japanese were so predicated on fighting on that nearly 30,000 troops were ready to attack the signing of the peace treaty in Tokyo Bay, complete with Kamikaze pilots ready to attack the USS Missouri and the US Fleet. Only last minute intervention stopped this. But, back to "the moral dilema" - Truman said it was not a difficult decision, though an awful one to make. He was actually quoted afterwards as saying, "If people found out we had such a weapon and didn't use it but invaded instead and lost more than one million men, I would've been impeached and hung from the nearest lamppost."
Above Average Dave
2025-04-11 16:18:07 +0000 UTCNearly the whole city was made of wood. They burned it all to the ground with days of napalm bombardments using more than 1,000 B-29s on each raid.
Above Average Dave
2025-04-11 16:07:37 +0000 UTCTo this day, the vast majority of historians have come to the conclusion that while the use of these weapons was horrific and morally not great to say the least, they were also ABSOLUTELY neccesary. The movie does a good job explaining why they needed to make it in the first place (had to do it before the Nazis), but doesn't go too in depth of why it was neccessary to use them on the Japanese. It's been estimated that the death toll worldwide (not just Americans) had the war continued even a few months, would FAR outnumber the amount of deaths from the bombs themselves. The Japanese had no intention of stopping their fight. Like another comment has also said, after they surrendered, there was a nearly successful coup in Japan that would have continued the war.
Derek Willerton
2025-04-11 13:40:23 +0000 UTCThank you, but no, that’s not what I’m talking about. I’ve been watching full reaction videos along with her for years, and I watch the cuts on YT when I choose to go to YouTube when I get notifications. This particular movie has a 🔗 link where it says YouTube, and when I click the play button on the screen, it only shows it in a small format; the orientation of the screen does not change when I rotate my phone. It says YouTube, but something’s different. ALL the other movies have a video camera icon beside YouTube, then when I punch play it opens in a format slightly different than the other (says YouTube at the bottom of screen and all that) but when I rotate my phone, it never changes. If I click on the square in the lower right (again, to enlarge and rotate) it changes nothing. I WISH I COULD GET BEN TO TELL ME WHAT TO DO. BUT IDK HOW TO ACTUALLY CONTACT THEM. But thanks. 😊
Carol Rocha
2025-04-11 13:30:47 +0000 UTCIt's Poppenheimer though.
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2025-04-11 08:19:35 +0000 UTCNot just Tokyo. Robert McNamara was one of the planners of the bombing campaign over Japan, and in a documentary called "Fog of War" (2003), he described it in terms of U.S. cities. We burned 58% of Yokohama, which would be 50% of Cleveland, 51% of Tokyo at that time would be about 51% of New York, 99% of Chattanooga, 40% of L.A., 35% of Chicago, 38% of San Diego, 42% of Toledo, 56% of Baltimore, and on and on. All told, they listed 67 Japanese cities where they killed 50-90% of the people and the corresponding American cities. Pretty stunning to see.
Baron Imhoof
2025-04-11 04:02:47 +0000 UTCSounds awesome. What a cool place to grow up. Don't know if you ever saw that show Parenthood on NBC but it was set there around the high school. Mostly filmed in LA but they I know they did some on location shooting too. Last time I was there I saw that house where Patty Hearst got kidnapped. Kinda random I know but it is somewhat historical. lol
Chris Thom
2025-04-11 03:55:46 +0000 UTCWe did, but decided against b/c if it failed to work, we would have been humiliated and that would only have spurred them into fighting harder. We dropped both bombs without having actually tested the designs as bombs (the Trinity test was still only a mock-up of the actual Fat Man bomb dropped on Nagasaki, while the Hiroshima Little Boy design hadn’t even been tested before we used it).
2-Can
2025-04-11 03:49:11 +0000 UTCI know a lot of Chinese hate them to this day. They were pretty brutal toward the mainland.
Chris Thom
2025-04-11 03:05:28 +0000 UTCAgreed. My father would have been part of that invasion as well. By the time the bombs were dropped, the Japanese had been on a rampage since 1931, killing over 30 million people. That is about ten times more than the Japanese lost, including Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I do not rejoice in the innocents killed by any of the bombing campaigns, nuclear or the others. However, none of the countries they attacked owed them the benefit of the doubt or any more lives. Every day that we waited for them to surrender, more of their victims would die.
Baron Imhoof
2025-04-11 03:03:14 +0000 UTCDidn't know Tokyo had already been burned that completely. But makes sense why everything looks so new there now.
Chris Thom
2025-04-11 03:03:03 +0000 UTCLadies, first thanx for the great commentary. My dad turned 18 in March 1945. The high school graduated hin early so he could report to boot camp for the navy. He was trained as a landing craft pilot to ferry men from ship to shore for the planned invasion November 1, 1945 of the southernmost Japanese home island. His training group was told to expect 90 percent casualties because the boat pilots kept ferrying men and supplies until they were wounded, dead, or the USA seized an intact port where ships could dock. If not for the bomb I believe there is a 90 percent chance I would never have been born as my dad fathered me 21 years after he turned 18. Yes we will never know if Japan might have surrendered without using the bomb but we had already burned Tokyo to the ground in March 1945 with more dead civilians than either atomic bomb caused and they kept right on fighting. Death meant dishonor to the Bushido code of the Japanese military. Even after two bombs were dropped when the Emperor decided to order surrender there was an attempted coup detet in Tokyo that almost succeeded.
Allen W. McDonnell
2025-04-11 02:46:18 +0000 UTCWhen I was a kid you could just walk into the Greek Theater when there wasn't a performance going on (maybe you still can?) My friends and I would just go in there and play music on the stage and run around. It was so cool. That's also where my alma mater Berkeley High School held its graduation ceremony and where I saw some great musicians and speakers: Desmond Tutu, Maya Angelou, Kurt Vonnegut, Joni Mitchell, Herbie Hancock, Weather Report, Pete Seeger, Joan Baez, Grateful Dead, Talking Heads, so many others....
jdj830
2025-04-11 02:17:49 +0000 UTCThey'll shut down live streams at a drop of a hat if music is playing. It's strange.
Chris Thom
2025-04-11 01:59:12 +0000 UTCI wonder if they ever discussed just dropping it in Tokyo bay in the water to scare Japan first as a warning? Before leveling an actual city?
Chris Thom
2025-04-11 01:53:22 +0000 UTCYeah I had to stop in Berkeley on my way to see my sis in SF because of this movie. The campus does look pretty old. The Hearst Greek Theater is pretty neat.
Chris Thom
2025-04-11 01:43:59 +0000 UTCYou can watch the full-length on Patron, sync up your copy. If you are talking about the YT edit, Cassie will post it here on the day of the YT premiere.
Joe J
2025-04-11 01:34:18 +0000 UTCPoppinhiemer , brilliant!!👍🍿
Jason Henderson
2025-04-11 01:06:58 +0000 UTCYep… it’s one hell of a movie. I watched it twice at the BFI IMAX in London, the biggest cinema screen in the country, and wow that trinity test scene taking up 500m² in front of your eyes with a sound system that sucks air out of your lungs was a real cinema experience.
Ria Grix
2025-04-11 00:52:49 +0000 UTCIt's been a while since I watched this and now seeing it a third time with you guys, I'm more than ever convinced this is a masterpiece. Beside the acting, etc., as a scientist, I worried that the technical details would go over people's heads. But Nolan did a great job of making everything understandable. And, as you said, for a three-hour movie, this is relentless. You barely get a chance to breath, so much is going on. Nolan's best ... so far. :)
Michael Siegel
2025-04-11 00:38:23 +0000 UTCMy family moved to Berkeley when I was ten. They shot most of the Berkeley scenes in Berkeley because the campus looks pretty much the same as it did ninety years ago. I remember passing the Cyclotron on an almost daily basis. I find many aspects of the movie frustrating. It made it seem like the only reason many of the smartest Americans in the 1930s joined the Communist Party is because its meetings were a good place to hook up with other horny brainy neurotics. They may have been naive about the threat the Soviet Union posed, but they were among the first to sound the alarm bells about Hitler when many U.S. conservatives and industrialists were willing to appease him. They were also among the only people in the 30s to talk about hazardous working conditions in factories and coal mines, racial discrimination and women's rights. They deserved a bit more respect than the movie gave them. (And so did the character played by Florence Pugh, Jean Tatlock, who in real life was a brilliant writer and psychiatrist and much more than a heartbroken "other woman" whose suicide probably had nothing to do with Oppenheimer.) Also - why isn't there a single Japanese character in a movie whose central moral dilemma was the bombing of Japan? And why no mention of the Japanese internment camps on U.S. soil? As a Jew myself I appreciate their mention of the Holocaust, but the persecution of Japanese is at least equally relevant to this story. I could have done with more actual science in a movie about science. I don't think anyone would have walked out had they spent a little more time on the differences between the different types of bombs or why Einstein struggled with quantum theory. And while we are treated to an interesting montage near the beginning of the film of Oppenheimer listening to Stravinsky and admiring modern art, it doesn't really explain how this acceptance of non-linear aesthetics informed his own embrace of a kind of non-linear physics. That said, if this movie inspired anyone to look up the real story and ponder the threat of nuclear war that still hangs over us, it was a worthwhile endeavor. And of course it's one of those movies where you see an entire generation of actors working at the top of their game.
jdj830
2025-04-10 23:32:03 +0000 UTCWar. War never changes. Since the dawn of humankind, when our ancestors first discovered the killing power of rock and bone, blood has been spilled in the name of everything: from God to justice to simple, psychotic rage. The Romans waged it for slaves and wealth. Spain, for gold and glory. Hitler forged a superpower from the ashes of defeat. But war never changes. In the 21st century, war was still waged over the resources that could be acquired. Only this time, the spoils of war were also its weapons: petroleum and uranium ore. For these resources, China would invade Alaska, the US would annex Canada, and the European Commonwealth would dissolve into quarreling, bickering nation-states, bent on controlling the last remaining resources on Earth. In the year 2077, after millennia of armed conflict, the destructive nature of man could sustain itself no longer. The world was plunged into an abyss of nuclear fire and radiation. But it was not, as some had predicted, the end of the world. Instead, the apocalypse was simply the prologue to another bloody chapter of human history. For man had succeeded in destroying the world. But war, war never changes. — Narrated by Ron Perlman, Fallout Franchise.
LittleGalaxyBoy
2025-04-10 23:12:08 +0000 UTCWhy cant I watch Collateral on Patreon?
Carol Rocha
2025-04-10 23:06:32 +0000 UTCThis is a long one!🍿 Thank you.
Jason Henderson
2025-04-10 23:01:34 +0000 UTCGoing to go out on a limb here and guess most of the copyright issues are for the score? Movie studios are usually OK with fair use (with some notable exceptions) but music companies are insane.
Michael Siegel
2025-04-10 22:58:33 +0000 UTCHis name is spelled cillian pronounced like kill-ian it’s an Irish name 🇮🇪
Dara Ryan
2025-04-10 22:43:10 +0000 UTCI’m about 10 hours worth of movies behind. Six of those hours are Oppenheimer.
Shad Kanyak
2025-04-10 22:09:44 +0000 UTCOver an hour... long edit
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2025-04-10 22:02:20 +0000 UTCI did a Barbenheimer with one day of separation
Rosario Cicero
2025-04-10 21:55:54 +0000 UTC
