Hey all

I find it hilarious to say that the Workers party added socialism. How many non-socialist movements name their party the workers' party. The name itself shows its Marxist roots. So I guess they called themselves the German Workers' Party to appear socialist? The very name implies it is an offshoot of a socialist and Marxist movement. If the defining characteristics were the author states it would have the Deutsche Volk (race or people) Partei not the workers party. I guess they named workers just to so they could be called Nazi instead of NVP? The person you quoted obviously didn't watch the video where all of this was answered.

Clearly Stuchberry is very upset at the claim that Hitler was a socialist!!!

Richard Stokes

I found this sharp rejoinder on the web to another commentator who had claimed “Nazis were socialist”: Mike Stuchbery's response to this misconception: 'Ok, I did this politely to someone else earlier, but now I'm going to rinse you. Prepare. Yeah, the Nazis called themselves the 'National Socialists', and they even nicked some (incredibly benign) socialist policies... It is, however, a total misnomer, it's like the World Series, or Democratic People's Republic of Korea, or 'ethics in gaming journalism'. The Nazis were fascists. Indisputably. They drew their ideology from Italy's fascists, who arose in reaction to the Left. The Italian Right, still mired in 19th century thought, could not tackle the explosion in left-wing organization. Mussolini gives us the first fascist platform - national/racial superiority, rearmament & expansion, and consolidation of capital. The Italian Fascists appropriated, wholesale, Roman imagery, such as the 'fasces', to evoke renewed national pride & a sense of superiority. The Italian Fascists sought to expand & reclaim historically Italian lands (mirroring a large portion of the old Roman Empire). After nicking some socialist economic policies (public works & spending), fascist government formed corporate cartels, enriching the few. Hitler & his Deutcher Arbeiter Partei mates see this and decide that they need to steal support from actual socialists, ...so the DAP rebadge themselves as the NSDAP... Socialism still being a relatively new ideology. It's like adding 'e-' to a product name. Otherwise, they were fascist - 1. Saw themselves as racially/nationally superior, 2. Wanted rearmament & expansion, 3. Consolidated capital. 1. Do I really need to go into their views on race & their feelings towards the Jews? 2. Do I really need to go into their designs on a 'Greater German Reich'? 3. The Germans used socialist economic policies, before retreating to a corporate cartel base. Companies like Krupp made $$$. The actual socialists who emerged after Marx wanted three things - 1. Removal of classes. 2. World socialism. 3. Distribution of capital. There was a huge gap between rich & poor in Tsarist Russia. The Bolsheviks sought to eliminate this division (yes, by violent revolt). After they succeeded, the Bolsheviks wanted to take the Revolution worldwide. Heard of 'Comintern'? No race, no nations, only socialism. 3. As for redistribution of capital, do I really need to explain the difference between collectivisation & cartels, Mr Tax Haven? So, you see there's a big fucking difference between fascism and socialism, in that they're COMPLETE FUCKING OPPOSITES. So, if you're peddling this 'munuhmunuh NAZIS ARE SOCIALISTS' bullshit you're either EXPLETIVE DELETED or EXPLETIVE DELETED'

Richard Stokes