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Doing a new mini experiment with YouTube

Don't want to reveal too many details, but I'm trying to figure out if any particular revisions will make a difference with regard to policy actions.  Will it last a day, week, month?  We shall see... next iteration will be a version with zero mention of DMT ;)

Doing a new mini experiment with YouTube

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I doubt that it would help much to use an ultrasonic bath but it probably wouldn't hurt either. I have an ultrasonic bath but have not done any experimentation with it specifically for alkaloid extraction, its kind of an interesting thought though.

GordoTEK

Hi Gordo I have a quick question. After acidifying the bark with vinegar and mixing with water. Instead of just mixing for 40 min could using a ultrasonic bath on a warm setting for those 40 minutes extract more DMT?

Bruno

Thanks for the swift reply. I'm sorry I did not notice the answer in the FAQ. Have a great night.

Juan

And yes, I am aware of the numerous straight to base methods (STB), yes it will still work, but I don't think it works as well. The acid/base method is standard organic chem 101 procedure. To read more about A/B extraction see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid-base_extraction

GordoTEK

This is covered in the FAQ https://www.patreon.com/posts/22774475 under "Q: What is the purpose of the acid in this TEK? or What does the vinegar do that makes you need to put a certain amount and let it sit before you start pulling out the dmt? " A: Yea I didn't explain the chemistry in the video... but what is going on is: In order to separate the DMT from the other compounds in the plant matter (ground bark), the mix has to be chemically modified to make the DMT more ionic and soluble in water. The acid helps make the DMT become more water-soluble and by doing so, helps remove it from the organic layer (the bark material). In other words, the acid converts the DMT to its salt form, and that form will dissolve in the water you added (but will NOT dissolve in naphtha), this helps push the DMT from the plant matter and into the water. But the only way to pull the DMT out of the water is to convert the DMT into its freebase form, which is accomplished by adding the lime (base), after that conversion, the DMT becomes soluble in naphtha, and because of its ionic charge, it is attracted to the solvent and will move into it almost immediately upon contact. This is also why it is OK to add solvent just before adding the base, if you want to remove plant oils, because at this stage, the solvent cannot pull out any DMT, but it will pull out plant fats, so you can safely discard that solvent (and the plant fats that are in it) without concern that you are losing any DMT.

GordoTEK

Hi Gordo, please pardon my ignorance. I'd like to ask you about the purpose of the vinegar. I just don't understand why you acidify first just to basify right after. Some other teks just basify. When researching the a/b extraction technique, the acidification is used for pulling some substances and the basification is used for pulling other substances, but in your tek nothing is pulled in between acidification and basification. I only ask because omit the vinegar will reduce the amount of base needed. Is there another purpose for the vinegar in your tek? Thanks in advance.

Juan


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